[arrl-odv:29320] BPL making a comeback?
This is from a reliable source and was posted on Facebook: “ On Tuesday, FCC Chairman Ajit Pai made a presentation to a rather packed audience on the positions of his office. I was there, as I have been in previous years. However, I could not find anyone wearing an ARRL ID there. As the Chairman proceeded he seemed to indicate preferences for support of BPL. It became clear the BPL promoters have been to visit him. In Texas, I followed the request of ARRL President Jim Haynie to organize and work this at the Texas Legislature. We were successful in spite of the heavy handed conduct of the opposition. The BPL issue has been resolved in Texas. At the end of the event I got to visit directly with Chairman Pai and let him know of my concerns on this and some other issues. I told him I could go on for hours about BPL but would not do that now. He appeared friendly and said he remembered speaking with me (that was several years ago when he was a Commissioner). There appeared to be a positive outcome. I expect the BPL issue will come before amateurs again. It is important that amateurs have competent people in place who are capable of participating on this issue.” I’m really hoping we don’t have to sharpen our swords to do battle again, but that seems inevitable. 73 Ria N2RJ
BPL was (is) such a nightmare. RFI these days is bad enough as is without help from a future of ubiquitous BPL. I thought that BPL was bypassed by the march of better technology. But, I see FiOS and (RF) cable build-out seems to have stopped in my general neck of the woods. Verizon claims it cost them $2200/customer now to extend and connect a new fiberoptic customer, so there seems to be a slowdown or stopping of new infrastructure installation here. Comcast (RF hardline) cabling has slowed/stopped many places as well outside of existing built-up areas. I suppose 5G is their concern, but that will not come to rural areas anytime in the foreseeable future. BPL is like a bad penny that keeps coming back it seems. Bob Famiglio, K3RF Vice Director - ARRL Atlantic Division 610-359-7300 www.QRZ.com/db/K3RF From: arrl-odv On Behalf Of rjairam@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2020 1:00 PM To: ODV <arrl-odv@arrl.org> Subject: [arrl-odv:29320] BPL making a comeback? This is from a reliable source and was posted on Facebook: “ On Tuesday, FCC Chairman Ajit Pai made a presentation to a rather packed audience on the positions of his office. I was there, as I have been in previous years. However, I could not find anyone wearing an ARRL ID there. As the Chairman proceeded he seemed to indicate preferences for support of BPL. It became clear the BPL promoters have been to visit him. In Texas, I followed the request of ARRL President Jim Haynie to organize and work this at the Texas Legislature. We were successful in spite of the heavy handed conduct of the opposition. The BPL issue has been resolved in Texas. At the end of the event I got to visit directly with Chairman Pai and let him know of my concerns on this and some other issues. I told him I could go on for hours about BPL but would not do that now. He appeared friendly and said he remembered speaking with me (that was several years ago when he was a Commissioner). There appeared to be a positive outcome. I expect the BPL issue will come before amateurs again. It is important that amateurs have competent people in place who are capable of participating on this issue.” I’m really hoping we don’t have to sharpen our swords to do battle again, but that seems inevitable. 73 Ria N2RJ
1. A swift rollout of 5G technology will suppress BPL through market forces. 2. A version of BPL technology is already in use at many energy distributors for metered service applications. Mickey Baker, N4MB Palm Beach Gardens, FL *“The servant-leader is servant first… It begins with the natural feeling that one wants to serve, to serve first. Then conscious choice brings one to aspire to lead." Robert K. Greenleaf* On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 2:11 PM Bob Famiglio, K3RF via arrl-odv < arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> wrote:
BPL was (is) such a nightmare. RFI these days is bad enough as is without help from a future of ubiquitous BPL. I thought that BPL was bypassed by the march of better technology. But, I see FiOS and (RF) cable build-out seems to have stopped in my general neck of the woods. Verizon claims it cost them $2200/customer now to extend and connect a new fiberoptic customer, so there seems to be a slowdown or stopping of new infrastructure installation here. Comcast (RF hardline) cabling has slowed/stopped many places as well outside of existing built-up areas. I suppose 5G is their concern, but that will not come to rural areas anytime in the foreseeable future. BPL is like a bad penny that keeps coming back it seems.
*Bob Famiglio, K3RF*
*Vice Director - ARRL Atlantic Division*
*610-359-7300*
[image: cid:a4a12f0b-0468-4a39-b953-31b2a3da8564]
www.QRZ.com/db/K3RF
*From:* arrl-odv *On Behalf Of *rjairam@gmail.com *Sent:* Wednesday, January 08, 2020 1:00 PM *To:* ODV <arrl-odv@arrl.org> *Subject:* [arrl-odv:29320] BPL making a comeback?
This is from a reliable source and was posted on Facebook:
“ On Tuesday, FCC Chairman Ajit Pai made a presentation to a rather packed audience on the positions of his office. I was there, as I have been in previous years. However, I could not find anyone wearing an ARRL ID there. As the Chairman proceeded he seemed to indicate preferences for support of BPL. It became clear the BPL promoters have been to visit him.
In Texas, I followed the request of ARRL President Jim Haynie to organize and work this at the Texas Legislature. We were successful in spite of the heavy handed conduct of the opposition. The BPL issue has been resolved in Texas.
At the end of the event I got to visit directly with Chairman Pai and let him know of my concerns on this and some other issues. I told him I could go on for hours about BPL but would not do that now. He appeared friendly and said he remembered speaking with me (that was several years ago when he was a Commissioner). There appeared to be a positive outcome.
I expect the BPL issue will come before amateurs again. It is important that amateurs have competent people in place who are capable of participating on this issue.”
I’m really hoping we don’t have to sharpen our swords to do battle again, but that seems inevitable.
73
Ria
N2RJ _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv
True enough Mickey, except in rural areas where the propagation limited 5G type spectrum (up in the nose bleed spectrum) will likely not be built out anytime soon. One cell for 10 users? Backhaul to and from must be fiber anyway with towers relaying. Power line control is very slow speed data. My guess is that power lines look good for rural delivery (even though they do not work well if at all for data). First net is struggling build out in rural America with its wider coverage 700 MHz band 14 as it is and they have billions to spend. I cannot see 5G replacing the constant speed and reliability 10 Gb/s fiber I have at one of my locations anytime soon or even in my lifetime. Hope I am wrong. Fiber takes no spectrum out of play (nor RFI) either. Got’a love it for fixed operations. Bob Famiglio, K3RF Vice Director - ARRL Atlantic Division 610-359-7300 www.QRZ.com/db/K3RF From: Mickey Baker Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2020 4:04 PM To: Bob Famiglio, K3RF <RBFamiglio@verizon.net> Cc: Ryan Jairam <rjairam@gmail.com>; ODV <arrl-odv@arrl.org> Subject: Re: [arrl-odv:29321] Re: BPL making a comeback? 1. A swift rollout of 5G technology will suppress BPL through market forces. 2. A version of BPL technology is already in use at many energy distributors for metered service applications. Mickey Baker, N4MB Palm Beach Gardens, FL “The servant-leader is servant first… It begins with the natural feeling that one wants to serve, to serve first. Then conscious choice brings one to aspire to lead." Robert K. Greenleaf On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 2:11 PM Bob Famiglio, K3RF via arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org <mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> > wrote: BPL was (is) such a nightmare. RFI these days is bad enough as is without help from a future of ubiquitous BPL I thought that BPL was bypassed by the march of better technology. But, I see FiOS and (RF) cable build-out seems to have stopped in my general neck of the woods. Verizon claims it cost them $2200/customer now to extend and connect a new fiberoptic customer, so there seems to be a slowdown or stopping of new infrastructure installation here. Comcast (RF hardline) cabling has slowed/stopped many places as well outside of existing built-up areas. I suppose 5G is their concern, but that will not come to rural areas anytime in the foreseeable future. BPL is like a bad penny that keeps coming back it seems. Bob Famiglio, K3RF Vice Director - ARRL Atlantic Division 610-359-7300 www.QRZ.com/db/K3RF <http://www.QRZ.com/db/K3RF> From: arrl-odv On Behalf Of rjairam@gmail.com <mailto:rjairam@gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2020 1:00 PM To: ODV <arrl-odv@arrl.org <mailto:arrl-odv@arrl.org> > Subject: [arrl-odv:29320] BPL making a comeback? This is from a reliable source and was posted on Facebook: “ On Tuesday, FCC Chairman Ajit Pai made a presentation to a rather packed audience on the positions of his office. I was there, as I have been in previous years. However, I could not find anyone wearing an ARRL ID there. As the Chairman proceeded he seemed to indicate preferences for support of BPL. It became clear the BPL promoters have been to visit him. In Texas, I followed the request of ARRL President Jim Haynie to organize and work this at the Texas Legislature. We were successful in spite of the heavy handed conduct of the opposition. The BPL issue has been resolved in Texas. At the end of the event I got to visit directly with Chairman Pai and let him know of my concerns on this and some other issues. I told him I could go on for hours about BPL but would not do that now. He appeared friendly and said he remembered speaking with me (that was several years ago when he was a Commissioner). There appeared to be a positive outcome. I expect the BPL issue will come before amateurs again. It is important that amateurs have competent people in place who are capable of participating on this issue.” I’m really hoping we don’t have to sharpen our swords to do battle again, but that seems inevitable. 73 Ria N2RJ _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org <mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv
Hello Bob, Mickey and Ria, The most recent incarnation of the tremendously technically flawed datadistribution system was know as "BPL" uses millimeterwave frequencies..... http://www.arrl.org/news/at-t-s-new-airgig-not-your-father-s-bpl It is amazing the lengths that people will go to avoid placing "fiber in the ground".Should we find out more about a different type of BPL deployment will let youknow, At this moment, there is no known roll-out of HF BPL. 73, Kermit W9XA On Wednesday, January 8, 2020, 3:19:23 PM CST, Bob Famiglio, K3RF via arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> wrote: True enough Mickey, except in rural areas where the propagation limited 5G type spectrum (up in the nose bleed spectrum) will likely not be built out anytime soon. One cell for 10 users? Backhaul to and from must be fiber anyway with towers relaying. Power line control is very slow speed data. My guess is that power lines look good for rural delivery (even though they do not work well if at all for data). First net is struggling build out in rural America with its wider coverage 700 MHz band 14 as it is and they have billions to spend. I cannot see 5G replacing the constant speed and reliability 10 Gb/s fiber I have at one of my locations anytime soon or even in my lifetime. Hope I am wrong. Fiber takes no spectrum out of play (nor RFI) either. Got’a love it for fixed operations. Bob Famiglio, K3RF Vice Director - ARRL Atlantic Division 610-359-7300 www.QRZ.com/db/K3RF From: Mickey Baker Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2020 4:04 PM To: Bob Famiglio, K3RF <RBFamiglio@verizon.net> Cc: Ryan Jairam <rjairam@gmail.com>; ODV <arrl-odv@arrl.org> Subject: Re: [arrl-odv:29321] Re: BPL making a comeback? 1. A swift rollout of 5G technology will suppress BPL through market forces. 2. A version of BPL technology is already in use at many energy distributors for metered service applications. Mickey Baker, N4MB Palm Beach Gardens, FL “The servant-leader is servant first… It begins with the natural feeling that one wants to serve, to serve first. Then conscious choice brings one to aspire to lead." Robert K. Greenleaf On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 2:11 PM Bob Famiglio, K3RF via arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> wrote: BPL was (is) such a nightmare. RFI these days is bad enough as is without help from a future of ubiquitous BPL I thought that BPL was bypassed by the march of better technology. But, I see FiOS and (RF) cable build-out seems to have stopped in my general neck of the woods. Verizon claims it cost them $2200/customer now to extend and connect a new fiberoptic customer, so there seems to be a slowdown or stopping of new infrastructure installation here. Comcast (RF hardline) cabling has slowed/stopped many places as well outside of existing built-up areas. I suppose 5G is their concern, but that will not come to rural areas anytime in the foreseeable future. BPL is like a bad penny that keeps coming back it seems. Bob Famiglio, K3RF Vice Director - ARRL Atlantic Division 610-359-7300 www.QRZ.com/db/K3RF From: arrl-odv On Behalf Of rjairam@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2020 1:00 PM To: ODV <arrl-odv@arrl.org> Subject: [arrl-odv:29320] BPL making a comeback? This is from a reliable source and was posted on Facebook: “ On Tuesday, FCC Chairman Ajit Pai made a presentation to a rather packed audience on the positions of his office. I was there, as I have been in previous years. However, I could not find anyone wearing an ARRL ID there. As the Chairman proceeded he seemed to indicate preferences for support of BPL. It became clear the BPL promoters have been to visit him. In Texas, I followed the request of ARRL President Jim Haynie to organize and work this at the Texas Legislature. We were successful in spite of the heavy handed conduct of the opposition. The BPL issue has been resolved in Texas. At the end of the event I got to visit directly with Chairman Pai and let him know of my concerns on this and some other issues. I told him I could go on for hours about BPL but would not do that now. He appeared friendly and said he remembered speaking with me (that was several years ago when he was a Commissioner). There appeared to be a positive outcome. I expect the BPL issue will come before amateurs again. It is important that amateurs have competent people in place who are capable of participating on this issue.” I’m really hoping we don’t have to sharpen our swords to do battle again, but that seems inevitable. 73 Ria N2RJ _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv
I hope this link works. This is a rudimentary explanation of the 5G spectrum utilization plan - the largest RF spectrum plan in human history. https://www.slideshare.net/mobile/3G4GLtd/beginners-5g-spectrum-short-versio... 73, Mickey N4MB On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 7:32 AM Kermit Carlson <w9xa@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hello Bob, Mickey and Ria,
The most recent incarnation of the tremendously technically flawed data distribution system was know as "BPL" uses millimeterwave frequencies.....
http://www.arrl.org/news/at-t-s-new-airgig-not-your-father-s-bpl
It is amazing the lengths that people will go to avoid placing "fiber in the ground". Should we find out more about a different type of BPL deployment will let you know, At this moment, there is no known roll-out of HF BPL.
73, Kermit W9XA
On Wednesday, January 8, 2020, 3:19:23 PM CST, Bob Famiglio, K3RF via arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> wrote:
True enough Mickey, except in rural areas where the propagation limited 5G type spectrum (up in the nose bleed spectrum) will likely not be built out anytime soon. One cell for 10 users? Backhaul to and from must be fiber anyway with towers relaying. Power line control is very slow speed data. My guess is that power lines look good for rural delivery (even though they do not work well if at all for data). First net is struggling build out in rural America with its wider coverage 700 MHz band 14 as it is and they have billions to spend.
I cannot see 5G replacing the constant speed and reliability 10 Gb/s fiber I have at one of my locations anytime soon or even in my lifetime. Hope I am wrong. Fiber takes no spectrum out of play (nor RFI) either. Got’a love it for fixed operations.
*Bob Famiglio, K3RF*
*Vice Director - ARRL Atlantic Division*
*610-359-7300*
[image: cid:a4a12f0b-0468-4a39-b953-31b2a3da8564]
www.QRZ.com/db/K3RF
*From:* Mickey Baker *Sent:* Wednesday, January 08, 2020 4:04 PM *To:* Bob Famiglio, K3RF <RBFamiglio@verizon.net> *Cc:* Ryan Jairam <rjairam@gmail.com>; ODV <arrl-odv@arrl.org> *Subject:* Re: [arrl-odv:29321] Re: BPL making a comeback?
1. A swift rollout of 5G technology will suppress BPL through market forces.
2. A version of BPL technology is already in use at many energy distributors for metered service applications.
Mickey Baker, N4MB Palm Beach Gardens, FL *“The servant-leader is servant first… It begins with the natural feeling that one wants to serve, to serve first. Then conscious choice brings one to aspire to lead." Robert K. Greenleaf*
On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 2:11 PM Bob Famiglio, K3RF via arrl-odv < arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> wrote:
BPL was (is) such a nightmare. RFI these days is bad enough as is without help from a future of ubiquitous BPL I thought that BPL was bypassed by the march of better technology. But, I see FiOS and (RF) cable build-out seems to have stopped in my general neck of the woods. Verizon claims it cost them $2200/customer now to extend and connect a new fiberoptic customer, so there seems to be a slowdown or stopping of new infrastructure installation here. Comcast (RF hardline) cabling has slowed/stopped many places as well outside of existing built-up areas. I suppose 5G is their concern, but that will not come to rural areas anytime in the foreseeable future. BPL is like a bad penny that keeps coming back it seems.
*Bob Famiglio, K3RF*
*Vice Director - ARRL Atlantic Division*
*610-359-7300*
[image: cid:a4a12f0b-0468-4a39-b953-31b2a3da8564]
www.QRZ.com/db/K3RF
*From:* arrl-odv *On Behalf Of *rjairam@gmail.com *Sent:* Wednesday, January 08, 2020 1:00 PM *To:* ODV <arrl-odv@arrl.org> *Subject:* [arrl-odv:29320] BPL making a comeback?
This is from a reliable source and was posted on Facebook:
“ On Tuesday, FCC Chairman Ajit Pai made a presentation to a rather packed audience on the positions of his office. I was there, as I have been in previous years. However, I could not find anyone wearing an ARRL ID there. As the Chairman proceeded he seemed to indicate preferences for support of BPL. It became clear the BPL promoters have been to visit him.
In Texas, I followed the request of ARRL President Jim Haynie to organize and work this at the Texas Legislature. We were successful in spite of the heavy handed conduct of the opposition. The BPL issue has been resolved in Texas.
At the end of the event I got to visit directly with Chairman Pai and let him know of my concerns on this and some other issues. I told him I could go on for hours about BPL but would not do that now. He appeared friendly and said he remembered speaking with me (that was several years ago when he was a Commissioner). There appeared to be a positive outcome.
I expect the BPL issue will come before amateurs again. It is important that amateurs have competent people in place who are capable of participating on this issue.”
I’m really hoping we don’t have to sharpen our swords to do battle again, but that seems inevitable.
73
Ria
N2RJ
_______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv
_______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv
-- “Ends and beginnings—there are no such things. There are only middles.” Robert Frost
Hello Mickey Thanks for the link. Bands 260 & 261 are already being built-out in the ChicagoMarket according to an acquaintance who is a ham. The handset he designed hasfour separate transceivers for the upper bands and it is capable of beam-forming. Why fourtransceivers ? It is so that they can work around the hand's grip on the instrument.... 73, Kermit W9XA On Thursday, January 9, 2020, 7:31:35 AM CST, Mickey Baker <fishflorida@gmail.com> wrote: I hope this link works. This is a rudimentary explanation of the 5G spectrum utilization plan - the largest RF spectrum plan in human history. https://www.slideshare.net/mobile/3G4GLtd/beginners-5g-spectrum-short-versio... 73, Mickey N4MB On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 7:32 AM Kermit Carlson <w9xa@yahoo.com> wrote: Hello Bob, Mickey and Ria, The most recent incarnation of the tremendously technically flawed datadistribution system was know as "BPL" uses millimeterwave frequencies..... http://www.arrl.org/news/at-t-s-new-airgig-not-your-father-s-bpl It is amazing the lengths that people will go to avoid placing "fiber in the ground".Should we find out more about a different type of BPL deployment will let youknow, At this moment, there is no known roll-out of HF BPL. 73, Kermit W9XA On Wednesday, January 8, 2020, 3:19:23 PM CST, Bob Famiglio, K3RF via arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> wrote: True enough Mickey, except in rural areas where the propagation limited 5G type spectrum (up in the nose bleed spectrum) will likely not be built out anytime soon. One cell for 10 users? Backhaul to and from must be fiber anyway with towers relaying. Power line control is very slow speed data. My guess is that power lines look good for rural delivery (even though they do not work well if at all for data). First net is struggling build out in rural America with its wider coverage 700 MHz band 14 as it is and they have billions to spend. I cannot see 5G replacing the constant speed and reliability 10 Gb/s fiber I have at one of my locations anytime soon or even in my lifetime. Hope I am wrong. Fiber takes no spectrum out of play (nor RFI) either. Got’a love it for fixed operations. Bob Famiglio, K3RF Vice Director - ARRL Atlantic Division 610-359-7300 www.QRZ.com/db/K3RF From: Mickey Baker Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2020 4:04 PM To: Bob Famiglio, K3RF <RBFamiglio@verizon.net> Cc: Ryan Jairam <rjairam@gmail.com>; ODV <arrl-odv@arrl.org> Subject: Re: [arrl-odv:29321] Re: BPL making a comeback? 1. A swift rollout of 5G technology will suppress BPL through market forces. 2. A version of BPL technology is already in use at many energy distributors for metered service applications. Mickey Baker, N4MB Palm Beach Gardens, FL “The servant-leader is servant first… It begins with the natural feeling that one wants to serve, to serve first. Then conscious choice brings one to aspire to lead." Robert K. Greenleaf On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 2:11 PM Bob Famiglio, K3RF via arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> wrote: BPL was (is) such a nightmare. RFI these days is bad enough as is without help from a future of ubiquitous BPL I thought that BPL was bypassed by the march of better technology. But, I see FiOS and (RF) cable build-out seems to have stopped in my general neck of the woods. Verizon claims it cost them $2200/customer now to extend and connect a new fiberoptic customer, so there seems to be a slowdown or stopping of new infrastructure installation here. Comcast (RF hardline) cabling has slowed/stopped many places as well outside of existing built-up areas. I suppose 5G is their concern, but that will not come to rural areas anytime in the foreseeable future. BPL is like a bad penny that keeps coming back it seems. Bob Famiglio, K3RF Vice Director - ARRL Atlantic Division 610-359-7300 www.QRZ.com/db/K3RF From: arrl-odv On Behalf Of rjairam@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2020 1:00 PM To: ODV <arrl-odv@arrl.org> Subject: [arrl-odv:29320] BPL making a comeback? This is from a reliable source and was posted on Facebook: “ On Tuesday, FCC Chairman Ajit Pai made a presentation to a rather packed audience on the positions of his office. I was there, as I have been in previous years. However, I could not find anyone wearing an ARRL ID there. As the Chairman proceeded he seemed to indicate preferences for support of BPL. It became clear the BPL promoters have been to visit him. In Texas, I followed the request of ARRL President Jim Haynie to organize and work this at the Texas Legislature. We were successful in spite of the heavy handed conduct of the opposition. The BPL issue has been resolved in Texas. At the end of the event I got to visit directly with Chairman Pai and let him know of my concerns on this and some other issues. I told him I could go on for hours about BPL but would not do that now. He appeared friendly and said he remembered speaking with me (that was several years ago when he was a Commissioner). There appeared to be a positive outcome. I expect the BPL issue will come before amateurs again. It is important that amateurs have competent people in place who are capable of participating on this issue.” I’m really hoping we don’t have to sharpen our swords to do battle again, but that seems inevitable. 73 Ria N2RJ _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv -- “Ends and beginnings—there are no such things. There are only middles.” Robert Frost_______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv
With regard to 2: that’s control PLC and has never been nor will ever be an issue. Ria N2RJ On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 4:04 PM Mickey Baker <fishflorida@gmail.com> wrote:
1. A swift rollout of 5G technology will suppress BPL through market forces. 2. A version of BPL technology is already in use at many energy distributors for metered service applications.
Mickey Baker, N4MB Palm Beach Gardens, FL *“The servant-leader is servant first… It begins with the natural feeling that one wants to serve, to serve first. Then conscious choice brings one to aspire to lead." Robert K. Greenleaf*
On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 2:11 PM Bob Famiglio, K3RF via arrl-odv < arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> wrote:
BPL was (is) such a nightmare. RFI these days is bad enough as is without help from a future of ubiquitous BPL. I thought that BPL was bypassed by the march of better technology. But, I see FiOS and (RF) cable build-out seems to have stopped in my general neck of the woods. Verizon claims it cost them $2200/customer now to extend and connect a new fiberoptic customer, so there seems to be a slowdown or stopping of new infrastructure installation here. Comcast (RF hardline) cabling has slowed/stopped many places as well outside of existing built-up areas. I suppose 5G is their concern, but that will not come to rural areas anytime in the foreseeable future. BPL is like a bad penny that keeps coming back it seems.
*Bob Famiglio, K3RF*
*Vice Director - ARRL Atlantic Division*
*610-359-7300*
[image: cid:a4a12f0b-0468-4a39-b953-31b2a3da8564]
www.QRZ.com/db/K3RF
*From:* arrl-odv *On Behalf Of *rjairam@gmail.com *Sent:* Wednesday, January 08, 2020 1:00 PM *To:* ODV <arrl-odv@arrl.org> *Subject:* [arrl-odv:29320] BPL making a comeback?
This is from a reliable source and was posted on Facebook:
“ On Tuesday, FCC Chairman Ajit Pai made a presentation to a rather packed audience on the positions of his office. I was there, as I have been in previous years. However, I could not find anyone wearing an ARRL ID there. As the Chairman proceeded he seemed to indicate preferences for support of BPL. It became clear the BPL promoters have been to visit him.
In Texas, I followed the request of ARRL President Jim Haynie to organize and work this at the Texas Legislature. We were successful in spite of the heavy handed conduct of the opposition. The BPL issue has been resolved in Texas.
At the end of the event I got to visit directly with Chairman Pai and let him know of my concerns on this and some other issues. I told him I could go on for hours about BPL but would not do that now. He appeared friendly and said he remembered speaking with me (that was several years ago when he was a Commissioner). There appeared to be a positive outcome.
I expect the BPL issue will come before amateurs again. It is important that amateurs have competent people in place who are capable of participating on this issue.”
I’m really hoping we don’t have to sharpen our swords to do battle again, but that seems inevitable.
73
Ria
N2RJ
_______________________________________________
arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv
The note from N5GAR? There’s no need for any mystery. Any of the 175,000 + attendees at the Consumer Electronics Show (CES) in Las Vegas were welcome to attend Gary Shapiro’s public 30 minute “interview” with the FCC Chairman yesterday noon. The same session has been held in various forms for many years whenever the FCC Chairman attends the show. To be precise, there was no news expected, and none was made. The discussion, as usual, was kept on a high level and light. This “rather packed audience” was in one of the standard rooms at the Las Vegas Convention Center used for panels and interviews throughout the show. It’s not one of the major sessions, which seat several thousand. This is a 2-300 seat room. The main thrust with Pai was spectrum for 5G, including the incumbency issues associated therewith and which are implicated by the 9 cm (3.4 GHz) and 5 cm (5.9 GHz) notices adopted in December that affect us, as well as multiple other notices in various phases of consideration for other spectrum. They discussed broadband delivery to rural areas and uses by farmers, which is a staple with Pai because, after all, he grew up in rural Kansas and delivery of broadband to rural areas is a major issue with some important Senators. My understanding is that the Chairman referenced the 2.5 GHz band and 6 GHz “C” band particularly in that regard. (For the EC members who attended the FCC meeting in December: it is the “C” band spectrum that brought Senator Kennedy to be seated in front of us. This is the “hottest” spectrum issue of the moment.) The best line of the session? Pai talking so fast that Shapiro asked him to slow down, explaining that he (Pai) was talking at 5G speed but that his (Shapiro’s) brain only operates at 4G speed. Looking forward to seeing you all next week. 73, Dave K3ZJ From: arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org> on behalf of "rjairam@gmail.com" <rjairam@gmail.com> Date: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 at 1:00 PM To: ODV <arrl-odv@arrl.org> Subject: [arrl-odv:29320] BPL making a comeback? This is from a reliable source and was posted on Facebook: “ On Tuesday, FCC Chairman Ajit Pai made a presentation to a rather packed audience on the positions of his office. I was there, as I have been in previous years. However, I could not find anyone wearing an ARRL ID there. As the Chairman proceeded he seemed to indicate preferences for support of BPL. It became clear the BPL promoters have been to visit him. In Texas, I followed the request of ARRL President Jim Haynie to organize and work this at the Texas Legislature. We were successful in spite of the heavy handed conduct of the opposition. The BPL issue has been resolved in Texas. At the end of the event I got to visit directly with Chairman Pai and let him know of my concerns on this and some other issues. I told him I could go on for hours about BPL but would not do that now. He appeared friendly and said he remembered speaking with me (that was several years ago when he was a Commissioner). There appeared to be a positive outcome. I expect the BPL issue will come before amateurs again. It is important that amateurs have competent people in place who are capable of participating on this issue.” I’m really hoping we don’t have to sharpen our swords to do battle again, but that seems inevitable. 73 Ria N2RJ
participants (5)
-
Bob Famiglio, K3RF -
david davidsiddall-law.com -
Kermit Carlson -
Mickey Baker -
rjairam＠gmail.com