Hello Bob, Mickey and Ria,

    The most recent incarnation of the tremendously technically flawed data

distribution system was know as "BPL" uses millimeterwave frequencies.....

http://www.arrl.org/news/at-t-s-new-airgig-not-your-father-s-bpl

It is amazing the lengths that people will go to avoid placing "fiber in the ground".

Should we find out more about a different type of BPL deployment will let you

know, At this moment, there is no known roll-out of HF BPL.

                         73, Kermit W9XA

On Wednesday, January 8, 2020, 3:19:23 PM CST, Bob Famiglio, K3RF via arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> wrote:

True enough Mickey, except in rural areas where the propagation limited 5G type spectrum (up in the nose bleed spectrum) will likely not be built out anytime soon. One cell for 10 users?  Backhaul to and from must be fiber anyway with towers relaying.  Power line control is very slow speed data.   My guess is that power lines look good for rural delivery (even though they do not work well if at all for data). First net is struggling build out in rural America with its wider coverage 700 MHz band 14 as it is and they have billions to spend.

 

I cannot see 5G replacing the constant speed and reliability 10 Gb/s fiber I have at one of my locations anytime soon or even in my lifetime.  Hope I am wrong. Fiber takes no spectrum out of play (nor RFI) either. Got’a love it for fixed operations.

 

 

Bob Famiglio, K3RF

Vice Director - ARRL Atlantic Division

610-359-7300

 

www.QRZ.com/db/K3RF

 

 

 

From: Mickey Baker
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2020 4:04 PM
To: Bob Famiglio, K3RF <RBFamiglio@verizon.net>
Cc: Ryan Jairam <rjairam@gmail.com>; ODV <arrl-odv@arrl.org>
Subject: Re: [arrl-odv:29321] Re: BPL making a comeback?

 

1. A swift rollout of 5G technology will suppress BPL through market forces.

2. A version of BPL technology is already in use at many energy distributors for metered service applications.

 

Mickey Baker, N4MB
Palm Beach Gardens, FL
“The servant-leader is servant first… It begins with the natural feeling that one wants to serve, to serve first. Then conscious choice brings one to aspire to lead." Robert K. Greenleaf

 

 

On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 2:11 PM Bob Famiglio, K3RF via arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> wrote:

BPL was (is) such a nightmare.  RFI these days is bad enough as is without help from a future of ubiquitous BPL  I thought that BPL was bypassed by the march of better technology.  But, I see FiOS and (RF) cable build-out seems to have stopped in my general neck of the woods.  Verizon claims it cost them $2200/customer now to extend and connect a new fiberoptic customer, so there seems to be a slowdown or stopping of new infrastructure installation here.  Comcast (RF hardline) cabling has slowed/stopped many places as well outside of existing built-up areas. I suppose 5G is their concern, but that will not come to rural areas anytime in the foreseeable future. BPL is like a bad penny that keeps coming back it seems.

 

 

Bob Famiglio, K3RF

Vice Director - ARRL Atlantic Division

610-359-7300

 

www.QRZ.com/db/K3RF

 

 

 

From: arrl-odv On Behalf Of rjairam@gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2020 1:00 PM
To: ODV <arrl-odv@arrl.org>
Subject: [arrl-odv:29320] BPL making a comeback?

 

This is from a reliable source and was posted on Facebook:

 

“ On Tuesday, FCC Chairman Ajit Pai made a presentation to a rather packed audience on the positions of his office. I was there, as I have been in previous years. However, I could not find anyone wearing an ARRL ID there. As the Chairman proceeded he seemed to indicate preferences for support of BPL. It became clear the BPL promoters have been to visit him. 

 

In Texas, I followed the request of ARRL President Jim Haynie to organize and work this at the Texas Legislature. We were successful in spite of the heavy handed conduct of the opposition. The BPL issue has been resolved in Texas.

 

At the end of the event I got to visit directly with Chairman Pai and let him know of my concerns on this and some other issues. I told him I could go on for hours about BPL but would not do that now. He appeared friendly and said he remembered speaking with me (that was several years ago when he was a Commissioner). There appeared to be a positive outcome.

 

I expect the BPL issue will come before amateurs again. It is important that amateurs have competent people in place who are capable of participating on this issue.”

 

 

 

I’m really hoping we don’t have to sharpen our swords to do battle again, but that seems inevitable. 

 

73

Ria

N2RJ

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