[arrl-odv:22052] Changes in Repeater Directory data collection
All Directors: At Minute 9.3 of the October 5 EC meeting I reported on a plan developed by Steve Ford, WB8IMY to improve the accuracy of listings in the ARRL Repeater Directory. The new procedure for collecting and maintaining repeater data is explained in the attachment, which will be going out to frequency coordinators next week. Until now, repeater coordinators have provided all of the information for the Repeater Directory listings. While the data is in a common database, we regard each coordinator's data as "their" data and allow them to manage it. The degree to which the coordinators do so varies widely. As a result we receive complaints about the accuracy of the listings and are at somewhat of a competitive disadvantage to other published repeater listings. The new procedure allows data to be received directly from repeater operators. However, coordinators will still have ample opportunity to "vet" the data for their areas and to make changes, for example to delete uncoordinated repeaters. 73, Dave Sumner, K1ZZ Chief Executive Officer
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Dave, Will the Directory move to uniform presentation of listed repeaters now? I have a couple of members who are churned up over using the mixture of formats we currently have. Jim Jim Weaver, K8JE Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 1, 2013, at 10:52 AM, "Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ" <dsumner@arrl.org> wrote:
All Directors:
At Minute 9.3 of the October 5 EC meeting I reported on a plan developed by Steve Ford, WB8IMY to improve the accuracy of listings in the ARRL Repeater Directory. The new procedure for collecting and maintaining repeater data is explained in the attachment, which will be going out to frequency coordinators next week.
Until now, repeater coordinators have provided all of the information for the Repeater Directory listings. While the data is in a common database, we regard each coordinator’s data as “their” data and allow them to manage it. The degree to which the coordinators do so varies widely. As a result we receive complaints about the accuracy of the listings and are at somewhat of a competitive disadvantage to other published repeater listings.
The new procedure allows data to be received directly from repeater operators. However, coordinators will still have ample opportunity to “vet” the data for their areas and to make changes, for example to delete uncoordinated repeaters.
73, Dave Sumner, K1ZZ Chief Executive Officer
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Not immediately, Jim, although Steve Ford knows what you mean and hopes that can come later. Coordinators tend to be idiosyncratic in how they organize their listings. Dave From: James E. Weaver [mailto:jamesweaver@zoomtown.com] Sent: Friday, November 01, 2013 1:55 PM To: Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ Cc: arrl-odv Subject: Re: [arrl-odv:22052] Changes in Repeater Directory data collection Dave, Will the Directory move to uniform presentation of listed repeaters now? I have a couple of members who are churned up over using the mixture of formats we currently have. Jim Jim Weaver, K8JE Sent from my iPhone On Nov 1, 2013, at 10:52 AM, "Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ" <dsumner@arrl.org<mailto:dsumner@arrl.org>> wrote: All Directors: At Minute 9.3 of the October 5 EC meeting I reported on a plan developed by Steve Ford, WB8IMY to improve the accuracy of listings in the ARRL Repeater Directory. The new procedure for collecting and maintaining repeater data is explained in the attachment, which will be going out to frequency coordinators next week. Until now, repeater coordinators have provided all of the information for the Repeater Directory listings. While the data is in a common database, we regard each coordinator’s data as “their” data and allow them to manage it. The degree to which the coordinators do so varies widely. As a result we receive complaints about the accuracy of the listings and are at somewhat of a competitive disadvantage to other published repeater listings. The new procedure allows data to be received directly from repeater operators. However, coordinators will still have ample opportunity to “vet” the data for their areas and to make changes, for example to delete uncoordinated repeaters. 73, Dave Sumner, K1ZZ Chief Executive Officer <Notice to Coordinators.pdf> _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org<mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> http://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv
Tnx, Dave. I understand the "individuality" of some of the coordinators, but wondered if the new route for input would take this our of the picture. 73, Jim Jim Weaver, K8JE Director, Great Lakes Division 5065 Bethany Rd. Mason, OH 45040 Tel. 513-459-1661; e-mail K8JE@arrl.org ARRL: The reason Amateur Radio Is Members: The reason ARRL is _____ From: Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ [mailto:dsumner@arrl.org] Sent: 01 November, 2013 2:48 PM To: Weaver, Jim, K8JE Cc: arrl-odv Subject: RE: [arrl-odv:22052] Changes in Repeater Directory data collection Not immediately, Jim, although Steve Ford knows what you mean and hopes that can come later. Coordinators tend to be idiosyncratic in how they organize their listings. Dave From: James E. Weaver [mailto:jamesweaver@zoomtown.com] Sent: Friday, November 01, 2013 1:55 PM To: Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ Cc: arrl-odv Subject: Re: [arrl-odv:22052] Changes in Repeater Directory data collection Dave, Will the Directory move to uniform presentation of listed repeaters now? I have a couple of members who are churned up over using the mixture of formats we currently have. Jim Jim Weaver, K8JE Sent from my iPhone On Nov 1, 2013, at 10:52 AM, "Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ" <dsumner@arrl.org> wrote: All Directors: At Minute 9.3 of the October 5 EC meeting I reported on a plan developed by Steve Ford, WB8IMY to improve the accuracy of listings in the ARRL Repeater Directory. The new procedure for collecting and maintaining repeater data is explained in the attachment, which will be going out to frequency coordinators next week. Until now, repeater coordinators have provided all of the information for the Repeater Directory listings. While the data is in a common database, we regard each coordinator's data as "their" data and allow them to manage it. The degree to which the coordinators do so varies widely. As a result we receive complaints about the accuracy of the listings and are at somewhat of a competitive disadvantage to other published repeater listings. The new procedure allows data to be received directly from repeater operators. However, coordinators will still have ample opportunity to "vet" the data for their areas and to make changes, for example to delete uncoordinated repeaters. 73, Dave Sumner, K1ZZ Chief Executive Officer <Notice to Coordinators.pdf> _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org http://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4158 / Virus Database: 3615/6797 - Release Date: 10/31/13 _____ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4158 / Virus Database: 3615/6797 - Release Date: 10/31/13
It is my understanding that changing the source of repeater data would change the reimbursement for providing data n such a way as to completely de-fund many local repeater councils. I have been told that Minnesota's council would be one such. Is this true in general, and how significant would this change be on a yearly basis? Is this change something we should be prepared for a firestorm about? -- 73, Greg Widin, K0GW ARRL Dakota Division Director On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 9:52 AM, Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ <dsumner@arrl.org> wrote:
All Directors:
At Minute 9.3 of the October 5 EC meeting I reported on a plan developed by Steve Ford, WB8IMY to improve the accuracy of listings in the ARRL *Repeater Directory*. The new procedure for collecting and maintaining repeater data is explained in the attachment, which will be going out to frequency coordinators next week.
Until now, repeater coordinators have provided all of the information for the *Repeater Directory* listings. While the data is in a common database, we regard each coordinator’s data as “their” data and allow them to manage it. The degree to which the coordinators do so varies widely. As a result we receive complaints about the accuracy of the listings and are at somewhat of a competitive disadvantage to other published repeater listings.
The new procedure allows data to be received directly from repeater operators. However, coordinators will still have ample opportunity to “vet” the data for their areas and to make changes, for example to delete uncoordinated repeaters.
73,
Dave Sumner, K1ZZ
Chief Executive Officer
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I should perhaps clarify that my reply to Dave's original note assumed that those currently receiving the $ for submitting repeater info would likely not be mollified by the provision to pay them if correct data are received. 73, Greg
Repeater journals make enough off of membership fees, ex: $20-30 per year, so I would prefer data sent straight to ARRL for more accurate reporting. Might generate more ARRL membership if individual owners sent their repeater data in. Jim Millsap Southeastern Vice-Director Sent from my iPhone-Jim Millsap On Nov 3, 2013, at 7:39 PM, G Widin <gpwidin@comcast.net> wrote:
I should perhaps clarify that my reply to Dave's original note assumed that those currently receiving the $ for submitting repeater info would likely not be mollified by the provision to pay them if correct data are received. 73, Greg
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Greg, it isn't clear to me why the following is insufficient assurance: After January 1, 2014, all coordinators who demonstrate that they are making an effort to manage their data through the online Repeater Directory database will be eligible for the customary annual honorarium payment of $1 per repeater record. All we ask is that you occasionally check into the database and view or edit your records. Our tracking software will automatically log your visits. Dave From: gpwidin1@gmail.com [mailto:gpwidin1@gmail.com] On Behalf Of G Widin Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2013 5:58 PM To: Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ Cc: arrl-odv Subject: Re: [arrl-odv:22052] Changes in Repeater Directory data collection It is my understanding that changing the source of repeater data would change the reimbursement for providing data n such a way as to completely de-fund many local repeater councils. I have been told that Minnesota's council would be one such. Is this true in general, and how significant would this change be on a yearly basis? Is this change something we should be prepared for a firestorm about? -- 73, Greg Widin, K0GW ARRL Dakota Division Director On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 9:52 AM, Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ <dsumner@arrl.org<mailto:dsumner@arrl.org>> wrote: All Directors: At Minute 9.3 of the October 5 EC meeting I reported on a plan developed by Steve Ford, WB8IMY to improve the accuracy of listings in the ARRL Repeater Directory. The new procedure for collecting and maintaining repeater data is explained in the attachment, which will be going out to frequency coordinators next week. Until now, repeater coordinators have provided all of the information for the Repeater Directory listings. While the data is in a common database, we regard each coordinator's data as "their" data and allow them to manage it. The degree to which the coordinators do so varies widely. As a result we receive complaints about the accuracy of the listings and are at somewhat of a competitive disadvantage to other published repeater listings. The new procedure allows data to be received directly from repeater operators. However, coordinators will still have ample opportunity to "vet" the data for their areas and to make changes, for example to delete uncoordinated repeaters. 73, Dave Sumner, K1ZZ Chief Executive Officer _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org<mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> http://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv
Dave, Maybe (and I hope) I'm wrong, but I was thinking that this wouldn't mollify people. It is a good solution in that it doesn't pay for lousy data. I guess we'll see... 73, Greg On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 8:29 AM, Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ <dsumner@arrl.org> wrote:
Greg, it isn’t clear to me why the following is insufficient assurance:
*After January 1, 2014, all coordinators who demonstrate that they are making an effort to manage their data through the online Repeater Directory database will be eligible for the customary annual honorarium payment of $1 per repeater record. *All we ask is that you occasionally check into the database and view or edit your records. Our tracking software will automatically log your visits.
Dave
*From:* gpwidin1@gmail.com [mailto:gpwidin1@gmail.com] *On Behalf Of *G Widin *Sent:* Sunday, November 03, 2013 5:58 PM *To:* Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ *Cc:* arrl-odv *Subject:* Re: [arrl-odv:22052] Changes in Repeater Directory data collection
It is my understanding that changing the source of repeater data would change the reimbursement for providing data n such a way as to completely de-fund many local repeater councils. I have been told that Minnesota's council would be one such. Is this true in general, and how significant would this change be on a yearly basis? Is this change something we should be prepared for a firestorm about?
-- 73,
Greg Widin, K0GW ARRL Dakota Division Director
On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 9:52 AM, Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ <dsumner@arrl.org> wrote:
All Directors:
At Minute 9.3 of the October 5 EC meeting I reported on a plan developed by Steve Ford, WB8IMY to improve the accuracy of listings in the ARRL *Repeater Directory*. The new procedure for collecting and maintaining repeater data is explained in the attachment, which will be going out to frequency coordinators next week.
Until now, repeater coordinators have provided all of the information for the *Repeater Directory* listings. While the data is in a common database, we regard each coordinator’s data as “their” data and allow them to manage it. The degree to which the coordinators do so varies widely. As a result we receive complaints about the accuracy of the listings and are at somewhat of a competitive disadvantage to other published repeater listings.
The new procedure allows data to be received directly from repeater operators. However, coordinators will still have ample opportunity to “vet” the data for their areas and to make changes, for example to delete uncoordinated repeaters.
73,
Dave Sumner, K1ZZ
Chief Executive Officer
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Well, I guess if you're a coordinator who never reviews your part of the database and expects to be paid anyway you might not be happy. The coordinators who do a good job won't feel much has changed. Dave From: gpwidin1@gmail.com [mailto:gpwidin1@gmail.com] On Behalf Of G Widin Sent: Monday, November 04, 2013 11:23 AM To: Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ Cc: arrl-odv Subject: Re: [arrl-odv:22064] Re: Changes in Repeater Directory data collection Dave, Maybe (and I hope) I'm wrong, but I was thinking that this wouldn't mollify people. It is a good solution in that it doesn't pay for lousy data. I guess we'll see... 73, Greg On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 8:29 AM, Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ <dsumner@arrl.org<mailto:dsumner@arrl.org>> wrote: Greg, it isn't clear to me why the following is insufficient assurance: After January 1, 2014, all coordinators who demonstrate that they are making an effort to manage their data through the online Repeater Directory database will be eligible for the customary annual honorarium payment of $1 per repeater record. All we ask is that you occasionally check into the database and view or edit your records. Our tracking software will automatically log your visits. Dave From: gpwidin1@gmail.com<mailto:gpwidin1@gmail.com> [mailto:gpwidin1@gmail.com<mailto:gpwidin1@gmail.com>] On Behalf Of G Widin Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2013 5:58 PM To: Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ Cc: arrl-odv Subject: Re: [arrl-odv:22052] Changes in Repeater Directory data collection It is my understanding that changing the source of repeater data would change the reimbursement for providing data n such a way as to completely de-fund many local repeater councils. I have been told that Minnesota's council would be one such. Is this true in general, and how significant would this change be on a yearly basis? Is this change something we should be prepared for a firestorm about? -- 73, Greg Widin, K0GW ARRL Dakota Division Director On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 9:52 AM, Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ <dsumner@arrl.org<mailto:dsumner@arrl.org>> wrote: All Directors: At Minute 9.3 of the October 5 EC meeting I reported on a plan developed by Steve Ford, WB8IMY to improve the accuracy of listings in the ARRL Repeater Directory. The new procedure for collecting and maintaining repeater data is explained in the attachment, which will be going out to frequency coordinators next week. Until now, repeater coordinators have provided all of the information for the Repeater Directory listings. While the data is in a common database, we regard each coordinator's data as "their" data and allow them to manage it. The degree to which the coordinators do so varies widely. As a result we receive complaints about the accuracy of the listings and are at somewhat of a competitive disadvantage to other published repeater listings. The new procedure allows data to be received directly from repeater operators. However, coordinators will still have ample opportunity to "vet" the data for their areas and to make changes, for example to delete uncoordinated repeaters. 73, Dave Sumner, K1ZZ Chief Executive Officer _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org<mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> http://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org<mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> http://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv
Pay for productivity. No productivity, no pay. What a concept! Of course, the concept isn't overly popular no matter what clothing is used to dress it. Jim Weaver, K8JE Director, Great Lakes Division 5065 Bethany Rd. Mason, OH 45040 Tel. 513-459-1661; e-mail K8JE@arrl.org ARRL: The reason Amateur Radio Is Members: The reason ARRL is _____ From: arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org [mailto:arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org] On Behalf Of Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ Sent: 04 November, 2013 9:30 AM To: 'G Widin' Cc: arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:22064] Re: Changes in Repeater Directory data collection Greg, it isn't clear to me why the following is insufficient assurance: After January 1, 2014, all coordinators who demonstrate that they are making an effort to manage their data through the online Repeater Directory database will be eligible for the customary annual honorarium payment of $1 per repeater record. All we ask is that you occasionally check into the database and view or edit your records. Our tracking software will automatically log your visits. Dave From: gpwidin1@gmail.com [mailto:gpwidin1@gmail.com] On Behalf Of G Widin Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2013 5:58 PM To: Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ Cc: arrl-odv Subject: Re: [arrl-odv:22052] Changes in Repeater Directory data collection It is my understanding that changing the source of repeater data would change the reimbursement for providing data n such a way as to completely de-fund many local repeater councils. I have been told that Minnesota's council would be one such. Is this true in general, and how significant would this change be on a yearly basis? Is this change something we should be prepared for a firestorm about? -- 73, Greg Widin, K0GW ARRL Dakota Division Director On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 9:52 AM, Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ <dsumner@arrl.org> wrote: All Directors: At Minute 9.3 of the October 5 EC meeting I reported on a plan developed by Steve Ford, WB8IMY to improve the accuracy of listings in the ARRL Repeater Directory. The new procedure for collecting and maintaining repeater data is explained in the attachment, which will be going out to frequency coordinators next week. Until now, repeater coordinators have provided all of the information for the Repeater Directory listings. While the data is in a common database, we regard each coordinator's data as "their" data and allow them to manage it. The degree to which the coordinators do so varies widely. As a result we receive complaints about the accuracy of the listings and are at somewhat of a competitive disadvantage to other published repeater listings. The new procedure allows data to be received directly from repeater operators. However, coordinators will still have ample opportunity to "vet" the data for their areas and to make changes, for example to delete uncoordinated repeaters. 73, Dave Sumner, K1ZZ Chief Executive Officer _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org http://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv _____ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4158 / Virus Database: 3615/6806 - Release Date: 11/03/13
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Hobart, Mary K1MMH -
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Jim Millsap wb4nws -
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Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ