[arrl-odv:32635] Convention Prize question.....
In a couple of weeks is the Pacific NW DX Virtual Convention, an ARRL sanctioned event. At the event will be an ARRL Contest Forum, so in attendance will be myself, Bill, AC0W, (as the CAC Liaison), the NW Division CAC Rep, Jim, KI7Y, and Bart, W9JJ from HQ. (Representing HQ Radiosport). Honorary VP Jim Fenstermaker, K9JF will also be at the virtual convention, but not in any official ARRL capacity, or a part of the forum. There will be a bunch of different door prizes for attendees during the event, such as DX Engineering and HRO gift certificates, power supplies, antennas, etc. (No Elecraft K4s) :-( This is a free event, and none of of us are being reimbursed or paid to be there. (there are no costs.) The organizer is raising a question as to whether or not any of the above are eligible for door prizes. My first blush says NO, at least for me as the Division Director, and probably YES for Fenstermaker, as he is in no official ARRL capacity in the event, but what about the others? Thoughts? 73; Mike W7VO
I opt out from all prize drawings that involve QST advertisers, our industry partners and amateur radio conventions, sanctioned or not. The foundation may play by a different set of rules. Personally I don’t see an issue with Jim being eligible for a prize. He isn’t making policy in the ARRL. The members of ODV and staff, most definitely will be an issue, and that issue is primarily optics. I’ve looked for that particular rule but I cannot find it. However it looks bad in that it gives the appearance of being bribed to influence league policy or that the drawing is rigged. If given complimentary prize drawing tickets at a convention I hand them to the youngest person I come in contact with or just to a complete stranger, if I can’t outright refuse them. 73 Ria N2RJ On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 11:01 AM Michael Ritz <w7vo@comcast.net> wrote:
In a couple of weeks is the Pacific NW DX Virtual Convention, an ARRL sanctioned event. At the event will be an ARRL Contest Forum, so in attendance will be myself, Bill, AC0W, (as the CAC Liaison), the NW Division CAC Rep, Jim, KI7Y, and Bart, W9JJ from HQ. (Representing HQ Radiosport). Honorary VP Jim Fenstermaker, K9JF will also be at the virtual convention, but not in any official ARRL capacity, or a part of the forum.
There will be a bunch of different door prizes for attendees during the event, such as DX Engineering and HRO gift certificates, power supplies, antennas, etc. (No Elecraft K4s) :-(
This is a free event, and none of of us are being reimbursed or paid to be there. (there are no costs.)
The organizer is raising a question as to whether or not *any* of the above are eligible for door prizes. My first blush says NO, at least for me as the Division Director, and probably YES for Fenstermaker, as he is in no official ARRL capacity in the event, but what about the others?
Thoughts?
73; Mike W7VO _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv
"Similarly, when you travel in an official capacity to a hamfest or convention, your expenses are reimbursed with money that comes from the membership. It is not proper, therefore, to permit your name to be entered in any prize drawing or lottery." It's in the Director work book under ethics. Just because this is a free event this year, it normally would not be. I would view it like a regular year. IMHO. Mark, HDX On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 9:32 AM rjairam@gmail.com <rjairam@gmail.com> wrote:
I opt out from all prize drawings that involve QST advertisers, our industry partners and amateur radio conventions, sanctioned or not.
The foundation may play by a different set of rules. Personally I don’t see an issue with Jim being eligible for a prize. He isn’t making policy in the ARRL. The members of ODV and staff, most definitely will be an issue, and that issue is primarily optics.
I’ve looked for that particular rule but I cannot find it. However it looks bad in that it gives the appearance of being bribed to influence league policy or that the drawing is rigged.
If given complimentary prize drawing tickets at a convention I hand them to the youngest person I come in contact with or just to a complete stranger, if I can’t outright refuse them.
73 Ria N2RJ
On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 11:01 AM Michael Ritz <w7vo@comcast.net> wrote:
In a couple of weeks is the Pacific NW DX Virtual Convention, an ARRL sanctioned event. At the event will be an ARRL Contest Forum, so in attendance will be myself, Bill, AC0W, (as the CAC Liaison), the NW Division CAC Rep, Jim, KI7Y, and Bart, W9JJ from HQ. (Representing HQ Radiosport). Honorary VP Jim Fenstermaker, K9JF will also be at the virtual convention, but not in any official ARRL capacity, or a part of the forum.
There will be a bunch of different door prizes for attendees during the event, such as DX Engineering and HRO gift certificates, power supplies, antennas, etc. (No Elecraft K4s) :-(
This is a free event, and none of of us are being reimbursed or paid to be there. (there are no costs.)
The organizer is raising a question as to whether or not *any* of the above are eligible for door prizes. My first blush says NO, at least for me as the Division Director, and probably YES for Fenstermaker, as he is in no official ARRL capacity in the event, but what about the others?
Thoughts?
73; Mike W7VO _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv
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Thanks for the input from everyone. It aligns with my thoughts on the matter as well. I did hear privately from Diane, and ARRL employees are NOT allowed to accept prizes at events they attend. With more and more conventions being held on-line and no real League expenses being incurred as a result I can see the question coming up again. I'll work on an update to this Workbook policy to include virtual events. 73; Mike W7VO
On 07/27/2021 9:59 AM Mark J Tharp <kb7hdx@gmail.com> wrote:
"Similarly, when you travel in an official capacity to a hamfest or convention, your expenses are reimbursed with money that comes from the membership. It is not proper, therefore, to permit your name to be entered in any prize drawing or lottery."
It's in the Director work book under ethics. Just because this is a free event this year, it normally would not be. I would view it like a regular year. IMHO.
Mark, HDX
On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 9:32 AM rjairam@gmail.com mailto:rjairam@gmail.com < rjairam@gmail.com mailto:rjairam@gmail.com > wrote:
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I opt out from all prize drawings that involve QST advertisers, our industry partners and amateur radio conventions, sanctioned or not.
The foundation may play by a different set of rules. Personally I don’t see an issue with Jim being eligible for a prize. He isn’t making policy in the ARRL. The members of ODV and staff, most definitely will be an issue, and that issue is primarily optics.
I’ve looked for that particular rule but I cannot find it. However it looks bad in that it gives the appearance of being bribed to influence league policy or that the drawing is rigged.
If given complimentary prize drawing tickets at a convention I hand them to the youngest person I come in contact with or just to a complete stranger, if I can’t outright refuse them.
73 Ria N2RJ
On Tue, Jul 27, 2021 at 11:01 AM Michael Ritz < w7vo@comcast.net mailto:w7vo@comcast.net > wrote:
> > > In a couple of weeks is the Pacific NW DX Virtual Convention, an ARRL sanctioned event. At the event will be an ARRL Contest Forum, so in attendance will be myself, Bill, AC0W, (as the CAC Liaison), the NW Division CAC Rep, Jim, KI7Y, and Bart, W9JJ from HQ. (Representing HQ Radiosport). Honorary VP Jim Fenstermaker, K9JF will also be at the virtual convention, but not in any official ARRL capacity, or a part of the forum.
There will be a bunch of different door prizes for attendees during the event, such as DX Engineering and HRO gift certificates, power supplies, antennas, etc. (No Elecraft K4s) :-(
This is a free event, and none of of us are being reimbursed or paid to be there. (there are no costs.)
The organizer is raising a question as to whether or not any of the above are eligible for door prizes. My first blush says NO, at least for me as the Division Director, and probably YES for Fenstermaker, as he is in no official ARRL capacity in the event, but what about the others?
Thoughts?
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I would say for both of us it is NO. While I haven’t check I suspect Bart is subject to the same gift, prize and conflict of interest rules as the Directors so would say no for him also. As for the CAC rep, I’d say it is okay as they are not required to acknowledge the same conflict of interest rules us directors must do annually. If the organizer can easily make it so we are not eligible for door prizes make this easy for us, instead of having to decline a prize if we are selected. Bill AC0W From: arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org> On Behalf Of Michael Ritz Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2021 10:01 AM To: arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org Subject: [arrl-odv:32635] Convention Prize question..... In a couple of weeks is the Pacific NW DX Virtual Convention, an ARRL sanctioned event. At the event will be an ARRL Contest Forum, so in attendance will be myself, Bill, AC0W, (as the CAC Liaison), the NW Division CAC Rep, Jim, KI7Y, and Bart, W9JJ from HQ. (Representing HQ Radiosport). Honorary VP Jim Fenstermaker, K9JF will also be at the virtual convention, but not in any official ARRL capacity, or a part of the forum. There will be a bunch of different door prizes for attendees during the event, such as DX Engineering and HRO gift certificates, power supplies, antennas, etc. (No Elecraft K4s) :-( This is a free event, and none of of us are being reimbursed or paid to be there. (there are no costs.) The organizer is raising a question as to whether or not any of the above are eligible for door prizes. My first blush says NO, at least for me as the Division Director, and probably YES for Fenstermaker, as he is in no official ARRL capacity in the event, but what about the others? Thoughts? 73; Mike W7VO
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