[arrl-odv:27469] Potential WWV and WWVH Shutdown
Is it in the interests of Amateur Radio and the ARRL that WWV and WWVH continue to broadcast time and propagation information? As shown on https://www.nist.gov/director/fy-2019-presidential-budget- request-summary/fundamental-measurement-quantum-science-and and even on http://www.arrl.org/news/nist-fy-2019-budget-would-eliminate-wwv-and-wwvh , it looks like there is a significant chance of them shutting down. There is support among the Amateur Radio community to keep them operating. I propose we send Congress correspondence indicating our support for maintaining operations. This might be accomplished using our lobbying firm. 73, Dick Norton, N6AA
Iread another article recently that said while the broadcasts would be shut down, theofficial atomic clock time would still be available on line at: https://www.time.gov/ I also readsome comments on a blog where some felt WWV had outlived its usefulness. Regardless,I still tune into the broadcasts at times (as recent as this weekend) and havethe freqs in memory on my transceiver. Might beworth at least a letter like Dick suggested to show our support for those membersinterested in it being maintained. Is anyone hearing from our members on this? 73 Rick - K5UR ... -----Original Message----- From: Richard J. Norton <richardjnorton@gmail.com> To: arrl-odv <arrl-odv@arrl.org> Sent: Wed, Aug 15, 2018 12:13 am Subject: [arrl-odv:27469] Potential WWV and WWVH Shutdown Is it in the interests of Amateur Radio and the ARRL that WWV and WWVH continue to broadcast time and propagation information? As shown on https://www.nist.gov/director/fy-2019-presidential-budget-request-summary/fu... and even on http://www.arrl.org/news/nist-fy-2019-budget-would-eliminate-wwv-and-wwvh , it looks like there is a significant chance of them shutting down. There is support among the Amateur Radio community to keep them operating. I propose we send Congress correspondence indicating our support for maintaining operations. This might be accomplished using our lobbying firm. 73, Dick Norton, N6AA _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv
I totally agree. Even in this age of satellites and GSPDO time standards, Hams use WWV/WWVH for other information, for example, to set calibrators and calibrate radios. There is a lot of standardized information carried on their signals. They are looking to eliminate the program for cost cutting, I’m sure, but they may think the technology is obsolete anyway. It would be worth a communication from the ARRL to let them know how important the WWV/WWVH program is, at least for the 700,000+ licensed hams, and an untold number of SWLs. ’73 de JIM N2ZZ Director – Roanoke Division Representing ARRL members in the Virginia, West Virginia, South Carolina and North Carolina sections ARRL – The National Association for Amateur Radio™ From: arrl-odv [mailto:arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org] On Behalf Of Roderick, Rick, K5UR via arrl-odv Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 1:57 AM To: richardjnorton@gmail.com; arrl-odv@arrl.org Subject: [arrl-odv:27470] Re: Potential WWV and WWVH Shutdown I read another article recently that said while the broadcasts would be shut down, the official atomic clock time would still be available on line at: <https://www.time.gov/> https://www.time.gov/ I also read some comments on a blog where some felt WWV had outlived its usefulness. Regardless, I still tune into the broadcasts at times (as recent as this weekend) and have the freqs in memory on my transceiver. Might be worth at least a letter like Dick suggested to show our support for those members interested in it being maintained. Is anyone hearing from our members on this? 73 Rick - K5UR ... -----Original Message----- From: Richard J. Norton <richardjnorton@gmail.com> To: arrl-odv <arrl-odv@arrl.org> Sent: Wed, Aug 15, 2018 12:13 am Subject: [arrl-odv:27469] Potential WWV and WWVH Shutdown Is it in the interests of Amateur Radio and the ARRL that WWV and WWVH continue to broadcast time and propagation information? As shown on <https://www.nist.gov/director/fy-2019-presidential-budget-request-summary/fundamental-measurement-quantum-science-and> https://www.nist.gov/director/fy-2019-presidential-budget-request-summary/fu... and even on http://www.arrl.org/news/nist-fy-2019-budget-would-eliminate-wwv-and-wwvh , it looks like there is a significant chance of them shutting down. There is support among the Amateur Radio community to keep them operating. I propose we send Congress correspondence indicating our support for maintaining operations. This might be accomplished using our lobbying firm. 73, Dick Norton, N6AA _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv
We can certainly take this project on and use McCarthy Advanced Consulting to help us on the Hill with the effort, unless the NIST budget plan is included in the FY 19 appropriations legislation that has already passed the House and Senate and is in conference right now, in which case it is too late. We will check that. But "indicating support for maintaining the broadcasts" is not a productive tactic absent a substantive basis for the ham support for maintaining the broadcasts. As to letting Congress know "how important" WWV and WWVH are to amateurs, is there a comprehensive listing of the reasons why they are important? How can we best explain that it is critical to our operations in the public interest? Having an insubstantial justification for our plea is not likely to overcome budget cutting efforts in favor of such brilliant but expensive plans as building border walls, etc. We will ask Frank McCarthy to find out what the status of this budget plan is legislatively at the moment and work from there. But it would be helpful if someone could please list the specific reasons why Amateurs need WWV and WWVH in order to do our public service communications functions. If the main argument is that we need WWV and WWVH to be able to calibrate radios, is there an alternative method of doing that? We have to actually justify this initiative. Because we want it and hams like it generally and support keeping it isn't really much of an argument, to say the least. 73, Chris W3KD On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 8:10 AM, James F. Boehner MD via arrl-odv < arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> wrote:
I totally agree.
Even in this age of satellites and GSPDO time standards, Hams use WWV/WWVH for other information, for example, to set calibrators and calibrate radios. There is a lot of standardized information carried on their signals.
They are looking to eliminate the program for cost cutting, I’m sure, but they may think the technology is obsolete anyway. It would be worth a communication from the ARRL to let them know how important the WWV/WWVH program is, at least for the 700,000+ licensed hams, and an untold number of SWLs.
’73 de JIM N2ZZ
Director – Roanoke Division
*Representing ARRL members in the Virginia, West Virginia, South Carolina and North Carolina sections*
*ARRL – The National Association for Amateur Radio™*
*From:* arrl-odv [mailto:arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org] *On Behalf Of *Roderick, Rick, K5UR via arrl-odv *Sent:* Wednesday, August 15, 2018 1:57 AM *To:* richardjnorton@gmail.com; arrl-odv@arrl.org *Subject:* [arrl-odv:27470] Re: Potential WWV and WWVH Shutdown
I read another article recently that said while the broadcasts would be shut down, the official atomic clock time would still be available on line at: https://www.time.gov/
I also read some comments on a blog where some felt WWV had outlived its usefulness. Regardless, I still tune into the broadcasts at times (as recent as this weekend) and have the freqs in memory on my transceiver.
Might be worth at least a letter like Dick suggested to show our support for those members interested in it being maintained. Is anyone hearing from our members on this?
73
Rick - K5UR
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-----Original Message----- From: Richard J. Norton <richardjnorton@gmail.com> To: arrl-odv <arrl-odv@arrl.org> Sent: Wed, Aug 15, 2018 12:13 am Subject: [arrl-odv:27469] Potential WWV and WWVH Shutdown
Is it in the interests of Amateur Radio and the ARRL that WWV and WWVH continue to broadcast time and propagation information?
As shown on
https://www.nist.gov/director/fy-2019-presidential-budget- request-summary/fundamental-measurement-quantum-science-and
and even on
http://www.arrl.org/news/nist-fy-2019-budget-would-eliminate-wwv-and-wwvh ,
it looks like there is a significant chance of them shutting down.
There is support among the Amateur Radio community to keep them operating.
I propose we send Congress correspondence indicating our support for maintaining operations.
This might be accomplished using our lobbying firm.
73,
Dick Norton, N6AA
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I agree with Dick. I fielded several comments on this subject from our members and interested amateurs and they want the service provided by WWV and WWVH to remain. Using our lobbying firm would indeed be appropriate for this in my opinion. 73 David A. Norris, K5UZ Director, Delta Division Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 15, 2018, at 7:10 AM, James F. Boehner MD via arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> wrote:
I totally agree.
Even in this age of satellites and GSPDO time standards, Hams use WWV/WWVH for other information, for example, to set calibrators and calibrate radios. There is a lot of standardized information carried on their signals.
They are looking to eliminate the program for cost cutting, I’m sure, but they may think the technology is obsolete anyway. It would be worth a communication from the ARRL to let them know how important the WWV/WWVH program is, at least for the 700,000+ licensed hams, and an untold number of SWLs.
’73 de JIM N2ZZ Director – Roanoke Division Representing ARRL members in the Virginia, West Virginia, South Carolina and North Carolina sections ARRL – The National Association for Amateur Radio™
From: arrl-odv [mailto:arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org] On Behalf Of Roderick, Rick, K5UR via arrl-odv Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 1:57 AM To: richardjnorton@gmail.com; arrl-odv@arrl.org Subject: [arrl-odv:27470] Re: Potential WWV and WWVH Shutdown
I read another article recently that said while the broadcasts would be shut down, the official atomic clock time would still be available on line at: https://www.time.gov/
I also read some comments on a blog where some felt WWV had outlived its usefulness. Regardless, I still tune into the broadcasts at times (as recent as this weekend) and have the freqs in memory on my transceiver.
Might be worth at least a letter like Dick suggested to show our support for those members interested in it being maintained. Is anyone hearing from our members on this?
73 Rick - K5UR ...
-----Original Message----- From: Richard J. Norton <richardjnorton@gmail.com> To: arrl-odv <arrl-odv@arrl.org> Sent: Wed, Aug 15, 2018 12:13 am Subject: [arrl-odv:27469] Potential WWV and WWVH Shutdown
Is it in the interests of Amateur Radio and the ARRL that WWV and WWVH continue to broadcast time and propagation information?
As shown on
https://www.nist.gov/director/fy-2019-presidential-budget-request-summary/fu...
and even on
http://www.arrl.org/news/nist-fy-2019-budget-would-eliminate-wwv-and-wwvh ,
it looks like there is a significant chance of them shutting down.
There is support among the Amateur Radio community to keep them operating.
I propose we send Congress correspondence indicating our support for maintaining operations.
This might be accomplished using our lobbying firm.
73,
Dick Norton, N6AA
_______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv
Director Norton is asking the correct first question, namely , “ (Is) it in the interest of Amateur Radio and ARRL that WWV and WWVH continue to broadcast time in propagation information ? “. There is a second question that has to be asked. Are these broadcasts necessary to us amateurs or a simply a convenience? If the time and propagation information and frequency standards are available from other sources, do we really want to spend political capital on fighting this decision? I too rely on WWV as a standard occasionally. I do it primarily because listening to the beat of the tone brings back fond memories of my early days as a ham. Generally I rely on other source for the time and propagation information. Others may use it more extensively and find it necessary. As Chris notes the real question is should this be a signature advocacy issue for ARRL? 73, Jay, K0QB Sent from my iPad
On Aug 15, 2018, at 12:13 AM, Richard J. Norton <richardjnorton@gmail.com> wrote:
Is it in the interests of Amateur Radio and the ARRL that WWV and WWVH continue to broadcast time and propagation information?
As shown on
https://www.nist.gov/director/fy-2019-presidential-budget-request-summary/fu...
and even on
http://www.arrl.org/news/nist-fy-2019-budget-would-eliminate-wwv-and-wwvh ,
it looks like there is a significant chance of them shutting down.
There is support among the Amateur Radio community to keep them operating.
I propose we send Congress correspondence indicating our support for maintaining operations.
This might be accomplished using our lobbying firm.
73,
Dick Norton, N6AA
_______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv
I first heard of this via Jim Pace from one of his constituents. Jim's guy succinctly stated a series of sensible reasons for keeping both standard broadcasts. I don't know if these are sufficient together or whether it is timely to take this on, but perhaps we can get the staff, such as our lab staff, to flesh this out and actually create a tenable argument that we can use: "These measurement systems are still being used for radio tuning, SW demonstrations, teaching Merit Badges and propagations (sic) studies." I have an inquiry in to Frank McCarthy to see if we are in time to do anything about this. First hurdle.... Chris On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 10:29 AM, John Bellows <jbellows@skypoint.com> wrote:
Director Norton is asking the correct first question, namely , “ (Is) it in the interest of Amateur Radio and ARRL that WWV and WWVH continue to broadcast time in propagation information ? “. There is a second question that has to be asked. Are these broadcasts necessary to us amateurs or a simply a convenience?
If the time and propagation information and frequency standards are available from other sources, do we really want to spend political capital on fighting this decision?
I too rely on WWV as a standard occasionally. I do it primarily because listening to the beat of the tone brings back fond memories of my early days as a ham. Generally I rely on other source for the time and propagation information. Others may use it more extensively and find it necessary.
As Chris notes the real question is should this be a signature advocacy issue for ARRL?
73, Jay, K0QB
Sent from my iPad
On Aug 15, 2018, at 12:13 AM, Richard J. Norton <richardjnorton@gmail.com> wrote:
Is it in the interests of Amateur Radio and the ARRL that WWV and WWVH continue to broadcast time and propagation information?
As shown on
https://www.nist.gov/director/fy-2019-presidential-budget-re quest-summary/fundamental-measurement-quantum-science-and
and even on
http://www.arrl.org/news/nist-fy-2019-budget-would-eliminate-wwv-and-wwvh ,
it looks like there is a significant chance of them shutting down.
There is support among the Amateur Radio community to keep them operating.
I propose we send Congress correspondence indicating our support for maintaining operations.
This might be accomplished using our lobbying firm.
73,
Dick Norton, N6AA
_______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv
_______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv
-- Christopher D. Imlay Booth, Freret & Imlay, LLC 14356 Cape May Road Silver Spring, Maryland 20904-6011 (301) 384-5525 telephone (301) 384-6384 facsimile W3KD@ARRL.ORG
I have an inquiry in to Frank McCarthy to see if we are in time to do anything about this. First hurdle.... Thanks, Chris. Let's see what we can do. Rick ... -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Imlay <w3kd.arrl@gmail.com> To: John Bellows <jbellows@skypoint.com> Cc: arrl-odv <arrl-odv@arrl.org> Sent: Wed, Aug 15, 2018 10:13 am Subject: [arrl-odv:27478] Re: Potential WWV and WWVH Shutdown I first heard of this via Jim Pace from one of his constituents. Jim's guy succinctly stated a series of sensible reasons for keeping both standard broadcasts. I don't know if these are sufficient together or whether it is timely to take this on, but perhaps we can get the staff, such as our lab staff, to flesh this out and actually create a tenable argument that we can use: "These measurement systems are still being used for radio tuning, SW demonstrations, teaching Merit Badges and propagations (sic) studies." I have an inquiry in to Frank McCarthy to see if we are in time to do anything about this. First hurdle.... Chris On Wed, Aug 15, 2018 at 10:29 AM, John Bellows <jbellows@skypoint.com> wrote: Director Norton is asking the correct first question, namely , “ (Is) it in the interest of Amateur Radio and ARRL that WWV and WWVH continue to broadcast time in propagation information ? “. There is a second question that has to be asked. Are these broadcasts necessary to us amateurs or a simply a convenience? If the time and propagation information and frequency standards are available from other sources, do we really want to spend political capital on fighting this decision? I too rely on WWV as a standard occasionally. I do it primarily because listening to the beat of the tone brings back fond memories of my early days as a ham. Generally I rely on other source for the time and propagation information. Others may use it more extensively and find it necessary. As Chris notes the real question is should this be a signature advocacy issue for ARRL? 73, Jay, K0QB Sent from my iPad On Aug 15, 2018, at 12:13 AM, Richard J. Norton <richardjnorton@gmail.com> wrote: Is it in the interests of Amateur Radio and the ARRL that WWV and WWVH continue to broadcast time and propagation information? As shown on https://www.nist.gov/director/fy-2019-presidential-budget-request-summary/fu... and even on http://www.arrl.org/news/nist-fy-2019-budget-would-eliminate-wwv-and-wwvh , it looks like there is a significant chance of them shutting down. There is support among the Amateur Radio community to keep them operating. I propose we send Congress correspondence indicating our support for maintaining operations. This might be accomplished using our lobbying firm. 73, Dick Norton, N6AA _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv -- Christopher D. Imlay Booth, Freret & Imlay, LLC 14356 Cape May Road Silver Spring, Maryland 20904-6011 (301) 384-5525 telephone (301) 384-6384 facsimile W3KD@ARRL.ORG _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv
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