[arrl-odv:34912] ODV Email Failure
Yesterday, I called an ARRL Director to discuss a recent message I had sent to ODV on the previous day. The other Director had not received it. I had been wondering what was wrong with my own email settings, as I have not been seeing the messages I have posted to ODV. Further investigation has shown that I have not been receiving ODV messages for some time. I have not received 34865, 34878, 34884, 34886, 34887, 34888, 34889, 34890, 34891, 34892, 34893, 34894, 34895, 34, 896, 34897, 34898, 34899, 34900, 34901, 34902, 34903, 34904, 34905, 34906, 34907, 34908, 34909, and any number above 34910. I have not been receiving A&F Committee messages either, as well as mail from other committees. Obviously this is not a problem exclusive to me. Note that one of the messages I sent to ODV recently was about arrl.net problems. This is likely to be part of the same issue, that was apparently never addressed I believe it is staff's responsibility to provide adequate communication for the Board. They have failed to do so. There is apparently some problem caused by ARRL addresses being designated as spam sources by some ISP's. It is management and staff's obligation to attend to these issues. It is not a Director's responsibility to solve these problems. We have paid staff to do so. However, I suggest using Director's home email addresses for ODV and other email reflectors rather than CALLSIGN@arrl.org, or anything to do with ARRL.org. Also, there should be some place on the arrl.org web-site where ODV and other reflector emails are available for view by the Board members. I also hope that some method can be found to rectify the problem and provide those of us who have not seen ODV and committee emails to view them. .73, Dick Norton, N6AA
Dick- You can access the reflector including the archives by using your favorite web browser to navigate to https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv. The reflector has a web interface that organizes all ODV messages by month and year. You may not have known about this wonderful tool. I can speak with a certain level of knowledge working full time in the technology field specializing in cybersecurity. A lot of e-mail providers including the web based (gmail, aol, yahoo) are starting to implement more robust e-mail protections to slow down messages with malicious intent. Glancing at the membership of ODV, it appears several of the members of ODV are not using the arrl.org mailbox including yourself. It is highly likely that an e-mail protection in place by yahoo is slowing or denying the messages coming from the email reflector. I am sure David or Diane can have Mr. Berry validate my educated guess. I have been using the arrl.org mailbox since joining the board family and haven’t missed the receipt of a single message. I would highly recommend everyone at least subscribe with their arrl.org mailbox. 73, Brent N9BA From: arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org> on behalf of Richard Norton via arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> Date: Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 6:21 PM To: arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org <arrl-odv@arrl.org>, k5ur@aol.com <k5ur@aol.com>, Vallio, Bob, W6RGG (2nd VP) <rbvallio@gmail.com>, vze18vwgu@verizon.net <vze18vwgu@verizon.net>, Stafford, Rod, W6ROD (Intl Affairs VP) <w6rod@comcast.net>, davek3zj@gmail.com <davek3zj@gmail.com>, Famiglio, Bob, K3RF (VD, AD) <rbfamiglio@verizon.net>, carlluetzelschwab@gmail.com <carlluetzelschwab@gmail.com>, Lippert, Vernon "Bill", AC0W (Dir, DK) <ac0wmoo11@gmail.com>, Norris, David, K5UZ (Dir, DL) <david.norris.k5uz@gmail.com>, Williams, Dale, WA8EFK (Dir, GL) <dale.wms1@frontier.com>, Nomar Vizcarrondo <np4h@aol.com>, Zygielbaum, Art, K0AIZ (D,MW) (Mail User) <aiz@ctwsoft.com>, Fred Kemmerer <fkemmerer@anita-fred.net>, w7vo@comcast.net <w7vo@comcast.net>, McIntyre, Kristen, K6WX (Dir, PD) <kristen@alum.mit.edu>, Boehner, James, N2ZZ (Dir,RK) <jboehner01@yahoo.com>, Ryan, Jeff, K0RM (Dir, RM) <k0rm@comcast.net>, fishflorida@gmail.com <fishflorida@gmail.com>, Stratton, John, N5AUS (Dir, WG) <n5aus@n5aus.com>, David Minster <dminster@gmail.com>, Middleton, Diane, W2DLM (CFO) <dmiddleton@arrl.org> Subject: [arrl-odv:34912] ODV Email Failure Yesterday, I called an ARRL Director to discuss a recent message I had sent to ODV on the previous day. The other Director had not received it. I had been wondering what was wrong with my own email settings, as I have not been seeing the messages I have posted to ODV. Further investigation has shown that I have not been receiving ODV messages for some time. I have not received 34865, 34878, 34884, 34886, 34887, 34888, 34889, 34890, 34891, 34892, 34893, 34894, 34895, 34, 896, 34897, 34898, 34899, 34900, 34901, 34902, 34903, 34904, 34905, 34906, 34907, 34908, 34909, and any number above 34910. I have not been receiving A&F Committee messages either, as well as mail from other committees. Obviously this is not a problem exclusive to me. Note that one of the messages I sent to ODV recently was about arrl.net problems. This is likely to be part of the same issue, that was apparently never addressed I believe it is staff's responsibility to provide adequate communication for the Board. They have failed to do so. There is apparently some problem caused by ARRL addresses being designated as spam sources by some ISP's. It is management and staff's obligation to attend to these issues. It is not a Director's responsibility to solve these problems. We have paid staff to do so. However, I suggest using Director's home email addresses for ODV and other email reflectors rather than CALLSIGN@arrl.org, or anything to do with ARRL.org. Also, there should be some place on the arrl.org web-site where ODV and other reflector emails are available for view by the Board members. I also hope that some method can be found to rectify the problem and provide those of us who have not seen ODV and committee emails to view them. .73, Dick Norton, N6AA
Former ISP owner here. I would add that Yahoo is one of the worst offenders when it comes to flaky email delivery, for both protocol reasons and unknown reasons. I run a mailman list server at home for a few friends and orgs, and it’s a constant battle with Yahoo. I always recommend that people migrate away from them. The only one worse is anything associated with the former PacBell (pacbell.net, sbcglobal.net, etc). Gmail used to accept most anything, but as of about 9 months ago rejects direct email that doesn’t have proper DMARC / DKIM / SPF records<https://www.cloudflare.com/learning/email-security/dmarc-dkim-spf/>. It will pass list server mail (forged by definition), but not with 100% certainty. As Brent says, all of the ISPs and mail services are tightening filters up to discourage and filter spam. Using an email forwarder is a recipe for disappointment at some point. As has been mentioned before, MIT gave up on this years ago and gives alums an O365 account now. ARRL does this for us on the Board. I highly recommend you take advantage of it. On Jun 22, 2023, at 5:04 PM, Walls, Brent, N9BA (VD, CD) <n9ba@arrl.org> wrote: Dick- You can access the reflector including the archives by using your favorite web browser to navigate to https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv. The reflector has a web interface that organizes all ODV messages by month and year. You may not have known about this wonderful tool. I can speak with a certain level of knowledge working full time in the technology field specializing in cybersecurity. A lot of e-mail providers including the web based (gmail, aol, yahoo) are starting to implement more robust e-mail protections to slow down messages with malicious intent. Glancing at the membership of ODV, it appears several of the members of ODV are not using the arrl.org<http://arrl.org/> mailbox including yourself. It is highly likely that an e-mail protection in place by yahoo is slowing or denying the messages coming from the email reflector. I am sure David or Diane can have Mr. Berry validate my educated guess. I have been using the arrl.org<http://arrl.org/> mailbox since joining the board family and haven’t missed the receipt of a single message. I would highly recommend everyone at least subscribe with their arrl.org<http://arrl.org/> mailbox. 73, Brent N9BA From: arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org<mailto:arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org>> on behalf of Richard Norton via arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org<mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org>> Date: Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 6:21 PM To: arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org<mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> <arrl-odv@arrl.org<mailto:arrl-odv@arrl.org>>, k5ur@aol.com<mailto:k5ur@aol.com> <k5ur@aol.com<mailto:k5ur@aol.com>>, Vallio, Bob, W6RGG (2nd VP) <rbvallio@gmail.com<mailto:rbvallio@gmail.com>>, vze18vwgu@verizon.net<mailto:vze18vwgu@verizon.net> <vze18vwgu@verizon.net<mailto:vze18vwgu@verizon.net>>, Stafford, Rod, W6ROD (Intl Affairs VP) <w6rod@comcast.net<mailto:w6rod@comcast.net>>, davek3zj@gmail.com<mailto:davek3zj@gmail.com> <davek3zj@gmail.com<mailto:davek3zj@gmail.com>>, Famiglio, Bob, K3RF (VD, AD) <rbfamiglio@verizon.net<mailto:rbfamiglio@verizon.net>>, carlluetzelschwab@gmail.com<mailto:carlluetzelschwab@gmail.com><carlluetzelschwab@gmail.com<mailto:carlluetzelschwab@gmail.com>>, Lippert, Vernon "Bill", AC0W (Dir, DK) <ac0wmoo11@gmail.com<mailto:ac0wmoo11@gmail.com>>, Norris, David, K5UZ (Dir, DL) <david.norris.k5uz@gmail.com<mailto:david.norris.k5uz@gmail.com>>, Williams, Dale, WA8EFK (Dir, GL) <dale.wms1@frontier.com<mailto:dale.wms1@frontier.com>>, Nomar Vizcarrondo <np4h@aol.com<mailto:np4h@aol.com>>, Zygielbaum, Art, K0AIZ (D,MW) (Mail User) <aiz@ctwsoft.com<mailto:aiz@ctwsoft.com>>, Fred Kemmerer <fkemmerer@anita-fred.net<mailto:fkemmerer@anita-fred.net>>, w7vo@comcast.net<mailto:w7vo@comcast.net><w7vo@comcast.net<mailto:w7vo@comcast.net>>, McIntyre, Kristen, K6WX (Dir, PD) <kristen@alum.mit.edu<mailto:kristen@alum.mit.edu>>, Boehner, James, N2ZZ (Dir,RK) <jboehner01@yahoo.com<mailto:jboehner01@yahoo.com>>, Ryan, Jeff, K0RM (Dir, RM) <k0rm@comcast.net<mailto:k0rm@comcast.net>>, fishflorida@gmail.com<mailto:fishflorida@gmail.com> <fishflorida@gmail.com<mailto:fishflorida@gmail.com>>, Stratton, John, N5AUS (Dir, WG) <n5aus@n5aus.com<mailto:n5aus@n5aus.com>>, David Minster <dminster@gmail.com<mailto:dminster@gmail.com>>, Middleton, Diane, W2DLM (CFO) <dmiddleton@arrl.org<mailto:dmiddleton@arrl.org>> Subject: [arrl-odv:34912] ODV Email Failure Yesterday, I called an ARRL Director to discuss a recent message I had sent to ODV on the previous day. The other Director had not received it. I had been wondering what was wrong with my own email settings, as I have not been seeing the messages I have posted to ODV. Further investigation has shown that I have not been receiving ODV messages for some time. I have not received 34865, 34878, 34884, 34886, 34887, 34888, 34889, 34890, 34891, 34892, 34893, 34894, 34895, 34, 896, 34897, 34898, 34899, 34900, 34901, 34902, 34903, 34904, 34905, 34906, 34907, 34908, 34909, and any number above 34910. I have not been receiving A&F Committee messages either, as well as mail from other committees. Obviously this is not a problem exclusive to me. Note that one of the messages I sent to ODV recently was about arrl.net<http://arrl.net/> problems. This is likely to be part of the same issue, that was apparently never addressed I believe it is staff's responsibility to provide adequate communication for the Board. They have failed to do so. There is apparently some problem caused by ARRL addresses being designated as spam sources by some ISP's. It is management and staff's obligation to attend to these issues. It is not a Director's responsibility to solve these problems. We have paid staff to do so. However, I suggest using Director's home email addresses for ODV and other email reflectors rather than CALLSIGN@arrl.org<mailto:CALLSIGN@arrl.org>, or anything to do with ARRL.org<http://arrl.org/>. Also, there should be some place on the arrl.org<http://arrl.org/> web-site where ODV and other reflector emails are available for view by the Board members. I also hope that some method can be found to rectify the problem and provide those of us who have not seen ODV and committee emails to view them. .73, Dick Norton, N6AA _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org<mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv -Kristen (K6WX) "Your eyes ... it's a day's work just looking into them" Laurie Anderson (--... ...-- -.. . -.- -.... .-- -..-)
Dear Directors and Officers, This problem has an easy solution. Please transition your account to Microsoft 365. If you need assistance please submit a support ticket and IT will arrange a time to assist you. Per our Director of IT: The Fix: The answer to this is for everyone to send and receive directly to and from your arrl.org email. Just like any business expects its folks to use the system provided, we need to have everyone directly connect to Microsoft 365 (This is all run by Microsoft). It is very simple to switch to this approach (instead of forwarding your email). Most mail clients are designed to handle multiple accounts. You can send mail from your official ARRL.ORG email address and your personal or work email all in the same mail client. You can keep ARRL email in a separate folder or intermix the inbox with other email from other systems. Responding to an email sent to your arrl.org address will automatically respond from your arrl.org account with an ARRL Signature line. Our Helpdesk team can guide you through setting this direct connection up in a quick call. If you would like, we will do all the heavy lifting for you! It is also very simple to add direct arrl.org access to your mobile device as well. We can help with that too. We have already worked with many board members to do this, and they seem to all like the flexibility and no longer have problems. You will also gain access to our Microsoft 365 Groups folders (to see archives of messages) where many of our email reflector groups have moved to. In addition, as you will be sending email from within our mail system, you can submit support tickets directly to our helpdesk at support@arrl.org<mailto:support@arrl.org>. Most of you receive reflector email not only at your arrl.org address but also directly at your personal email so I suspect you are still able to see the reflector emails but I’m sure you are growing tired of seeing the bounced email messages that are sent to your inbox. Let’s clean this up and get you directly on arrl.org email and then you can stop see those bounced email messages! Sorry for the long message. Please let me know if you have any questions or would like to do this. I will set you up with our helpdesk. 73 S Steve Berry, N1EZ Director of Information Technology From: Kristen McIntyre <kristen@alum.mit.edu> Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2023 9:20 PM To: Walls, Brent, N9BA (VD, CD) <n9ba@arrl.org>; Norton, Richard N6AA (Dir, SW) <richardjnorton@yahoo.com> Cc: McIntyre, Kristen, K6WX (Dir, PD) <kristen@alum.mit.edu>; arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org <arrl-odv@arrl.org>; k5ur@aol.com; Vallio, Bob, W6RGG (2nd VP) <rbvallio@gmail.com>; vze18vwgu@verizon.net; Stafford, Rod, W6ROD (Intl Affairs VP) <w6rod@comcast.net>; davek3zj@gmail.com; Famiglio, Bob, K3RF (VD, AD) <rbfamiglio@verizon.net>; carlluetzelschwab@gmail.com; Lippert, Vernon "Bill", AC0W (Dir, DK) <ac0wmoo11@gmail.com>; Norris, David, K5UZ (Dir, DL) <david.norris.k5uz@gmail.com>; Williams, Dale, WA8EFK (Dir, GL) <dale.wms1@frontier.com>; Nomar Vizcarrondo <np4h@aol.com>; Zygielbaum, Art, K0AIZ (D,MW) (Mail User) <aiz@ctwsoft.com>; Fred Kemmerer <fkemmerer@anita-fred.net>; w7vo@comcast.net; Boehner, James, N2ZZ (Dir,RK) <jboehner01@yahoo.com>; Ryan, Jeff, K0RM (Dir, RM) <k0rm@comcast.net>; fishflorida@gmail.com; Stratton, John, N5AUS (Dir, WG) <n5aus@n5aus.com>; David Minster <dminster@gmail.com>; Middleton, Diane, W2DLM (CFO) <dmiddleton@arrl.org> Subject: Re: [arrl-odv:34913] ODV Email Failure Former ISP owner here. I would add that Yahoo is one of the worst offenders when it comes to flaky email delivery, for both protocol reasons and unknown reasons. I run a mailman list server at home for a few friends and orgs, and it’s a constant battle with Yahoo. I always recommend that people migrate away from them. The only one worse is anything associated with the former PacBell (pacbell.net, sbcglobal.net, etc). Gmail used to accept most anything, but as of about 9 months ago rejects direct email that doesn’t have proper DMARC / DKIM / SPF records<https://www.cloudflare.com/learning/email-security/dmarc-dkim-spf/>. It will pass list server mail (forged by definition), but not with 100% certainty. As Brent says, all of the ISPs and mail services are tightening filters up to discourage and filter spam. Using an email forwarder is a recipe for disappointment at some point. As has been mentioned before, MIT gave up on this years ago and gives alums an O365 account now. ARRL does this for us on the Board. I highly recommend you take advantage of it. On Jun 22, 2023, at 5:04 PM, Walls, Brent, N9BA (VD, CD) <n9ba@arrl.org<mailto:n9ba@arrl.org>> wrote: Dick- You can access the reflector including the archives by using your favorite web browser to navigate to https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv. The reflector has a web interface that organizes all ODV messages by month and year. You may not have known about this wonderful tool. I can speak with a certain level of knowledge working full time in the technology field specializing in cybersecurity. A lot of e-mail providers including the web based (gmail, aol, yahoo) are starting to implement more robust e-mail protections to slow down messages with malicious intent. Glancing at the membership of ODV, it appears several of the members of ODV are not using the arrl.org<http://arrl.org/> mailbox including yourself. It is highly likely that an e-mail protection in place by yahoo is slowing or denying the messages coming from the email reflector. I am sure David or Diane can have Mr. Berry validate my educated guess. I have been using the arrl.org<http://arrl.org/> mailbox since joining the board family and haven’t missed the receipt of a single message. I would highly recommend everyone at least subscribe with their arrl.org<http://arrl.org/> mailbox. 73, Brent N9BA From: arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org<mailto:arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org>> on behalf of Richard Norton via arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org<mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org>> Date: Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 6:21 PM To: arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org<mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> <arrl-odv@arrl.org<mailto:arrl-odv@arrl.org>>, k5ur@aol.com<mailto:k5ur@aol.com> <k5ur@aol.com<mailto:k5ur@aol.com>>, Vallio, Bob, W6RGG (2nd VP) <rbvallio@gmail.com<mailto:rbvallio@gmail.com>>, vze18vwgu@verizon.net<mailto:vze18vwgu@verizon.net> <vze18vwgu@verizon.net<mailto:vze18vwgu@verizon.net>>, Stafford, Rod, W6ROD (Intl Affairs VP) <w6rod@comcast.net<mailto:w6rod@comcast.net>>, davek3zj@gmail.com<mailto:davek3zj@gmail.com> <davek3zj@gmail.com<mailto:davek3zj@gmail.com>>, Famiglio, Bob, K3RF (VD, AD) <rbfamiglio@verizon.net<mailto:rbfamiglio@verizon.net>>, carlluetzelschwab@gmail.com<mailto:carlluetzelschwab@gmail.com><carlluetzelschwab@gmail.com<mailto:carlluetzelschwab@gmail.com>>, Lippert, Vernon "Bill", AC0W (Dir, DK) <ac0wmoo11@gmail.com<mailto:ac0wmoo11@gmail.com>>, Norris, David, K5UZ (Dir, DL) <david.norris.k5uz@gmail.com<mailto:david.norris.k5uz@gmail.com>>, Williams, Dale, WA8EFK (Dir, GL) <dale.wms1@frontier.com<mailto:dale.wms1@frontier.com>>, Nomar Vizcarrondo <np4h@aol.com<mailto:np4h@aol.com>>, Zygielbaum, Art, K0AIZ (D,MW) (Mail User) <aiz@ctwsoft.com<mailto:aiz@ctwsoft.com>>, Fred Kemmerer <fkemmerer@anita-fred.net<mailto:fkemmerer@anita-fred.net>>, w7vo@comcast.net<mailto:w7vo@comcast.net><w7vo@comcast.net<mailto:w7vo@comcast.net>>, McIntyre, Kristen, K6WX (Dir, PD) <kristen@alum.mit.edu<mailto:kristen@alum.mit.edu>>, Boehner, James, N2ZZ (Dir,RK) <jboehner01@yahoo.com<mailto:jboehner01@yahoo.com>>, Ryan, Jeff, K0RM (Dir, RM) <k0rm@comcast.net<mailto:k0rm@comcast.net>>, fishflorida@gmail.com<mailto:fishflorida@gmail.com> <fishflorida@gmail.com<mailto:fishflorida@gmail.com>>, Stratton, John, N5AUS (Dir, WG) <n5aus@n5aus.com<mailto:n5aus@n5aus.com>>, David Minster <dminster@gmail.com<mailto:dminster@gmail.com>>, Middleton, Diane, W2DLM (CFO) <dmiddleton@arrl.org<mailto:dmiddleton@arrl.org>> Subject: [arrl-odv:34912] ODV Email Failure Yesterday, I called an ARRL Director to discuss a recent message I had sent to ODV on the previous day. The other Director had not received it. I had been wondering what was wrong with my own email settings, as I have not been seeing the messages I have posted to ODV. Further investigation has shown that I have not been receiving ODV messages for some time. I have not received 34865, 34878, 34884, 34886, 34887, 34888, 34889, 34890, 34891, 34892, 34893, 34894, 34895, 34, 896, 34897, 34898, 34899, 34900, 34901, 34902, 34903, 34904, 34905, 34906, 34907, 34908, 34909, and any number above 34910. I have not been receiving A&F Committee messages either, as well as mail from other committees. Obviously this is not a problem exclusive to me. Note that one of the messages I sent to ODV recently was about arrl.net<http://arrl.net/> problems. This is likely to be part of the same issue, that was apparently never addressed I believe it is staff's responsibility to provide adequate communication for the Board. They have failed to do so. There is apparently some problem caused by ARRL addresses being designated as spam sources by some ISP's. It is management and staff's obligation to attend to these issues. It is not a Director's responsibility to solve these problems. We have paid staff to do so. However, I suggest using Director's home email addresses for ODV and other email reflectors rather than CALLSIGN@arrl.org<mailto:CALLSIGN@arrl.org>, or anything to do with ARRL.org<http://arrl.org/>. Also, there should be some place on the arrl.org<http://arrl.org/> web-site where ODV and other reflector emails are available for view by the Board members. I also hope that some method can be found to rectify the problem and provide those of us who have not seen ODV and committee emails to view them. .73, Dick Norton, N6AA _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org<mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv -Kristen (K6WX) "Your eyes ... it's a day's work just looking into them" Laurie Anderson (--... ...-- -.. . -.- -.... .-- -..-)
The most backward thing I see in the administrative running of the Board is the failure to use calendar invitations to schedule meetings. Almost every blasted meeting you all send out DOES NOT INCLUDE a calendar invitation. These days, in everything I do, INCLUDING CUB SCOUTS, is arranged by calendar invite. In the corporate world, send out a message with a date and time for a meeting and you won’t get it scheduled on anyone else’s calendar without an appointment event included. Creating your own calendar event with Outlook with the attendee's Outlook email address included will create emails to attendees. A five-device license for the Microsoft Office suite - Word, Excel, Office, Powerpoint, Teams and others - are included for the time you're on the Board. There are literally thousands of videos about the use of these components of Office. You might start here, using only a web browser: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/schedule-with-outlook-on-the-web-... Many of us don't see a regular workplace, but the skills I'm describing are required of most office workers. Learn how to use Outlook and office, get a computer made in this decade, and your life will become easier. After all, most of us learned to use Zoom 3 years ago in a quick hurry. Mickey N4MB ________________________________ From: arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org> on behalf of Kristen McIntyre <kristen@alum.mit.edu> Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2023 8:20 PM To: Walls, Brent, N9BA (VD, CD) <n9ba@arrl.org>; Norton, Richard N6AA (Dir, SW) <richardjnorton@yahoo.com> Cc: David Minster <dminster@gmail.com>; Lippert, Vernon "Bill", AC0W (Dir, DK) <ac0wmoo11@gmail.com>; Nomar Vizcarrondo <np4h@aol.com>; Ryan, Jeff, K0RM (Dir, RM) <k0rm@comcast.net>; McIntyre, Kristen, K6WX (Dir, PD) <kristen@alum.mit.edu>; Fred Kemmerer <fkemmerer@anita-fred.net>; davek3zj@gmail.com <davek3zj@gmail.com>; arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org <arrl-odv@arrl.org>; carlluetzelschwab@gmail.com <carlluetzelschwab@gmail.com>; Norris, David, K5UZ (Dir, DL) <david.norris.k5uz@gmail.com>; Zygielbaum, Art, K0AIZ (D,MW) (Mail User) <aiz@ctwsoft.com>; Williams, Dale, WA8EFK (Dir, GL) <dale.wms1@frontier.com>; Vallio, Bob, W6RGG (2nd VP) <rbvallio@gmail.com> Subject: [arrl-odv:34914] Re: ODV Email Failure Former ISP owner here. I would add that Yahoo is one of the worst offenders when it comes to flaky email delivery, for both protocol reasons and unknown reasons. I run a mailman list server at home for a few friends and orgs, and it’s a constant battle with Yahoo. I always recommend that people migrate away from them. The only one worse is anything associated with the former PacBell (pacbell.net, sbcglobal.net, etc). Gmail used to accept most anything, but as of about 9 months ago rejects direct email that doesn’t have proper DMARC / DKIM / SPF records<https://www.cloudflare.com/learning/email-security/dmarc-dkim-spf/>. It will pass list server mail (forged by definition), but not with 100% certainty. As Brent says, all of the ISPs and mail services are tightening filters up to discourage and filter spam. Using an email forwarder is a recipe for disappointment at some point. As has been mentioned before, MIT gave up on this years ago and gives alums an O365 account now. ARRL does this for us on the Board. I highly recommend you take advantage of it. On Jun 22, 2023, at 5:04 PM, Walls, Brent, N9BA (VD, CD) <n9ba@arrl.org> wrote: Dick- You can access the reflector including the archives by using your favorite web browser to navigate to https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv. The reflector has a web interface that organizes all ODV messages by month and year. You may not have known about this wonderful tool. I can speak with a certain level of knowledge working full time in the technology field specializing in cybersecurity. A lot of e-mail providers including the web based (gmail, aol, yahoo) are starting to implement more robust e-mail protections to slow down messages with malicious intent. Glancing at the membership of ODV, it appears several of the members of ODV are not using the arrl.org<http://arrl.org/> mailbox including yourself. It is highly likely that an e-mail protection in place by yahoo is slowing or denying the messages coming from the email reflector. I am sure David or Diane can have Mr. Berry validate my educated guess. I have been using the arrl.org<http://arrl.org/> mailbox since joining the board family and haven’t missed the receipt of a single message. I would highly recommend everyone at least subscribe with their arrl.org<http://arrl.org/> mailbox. 73, Brent N9BA From: arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org<mailto:arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org>> on behalf of Richard Norton via arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org<mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org>> Date: Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 6:21 PM To: arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org<mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> <arrl-odv@arrl.org<mailto:arrl-odv@arrl.org>>, k5ur@aol.com<mailto:k5ur@aol.com> <k5ur@aol.com<mailto:k5ur@aol.com>>, Vallio, Bob, W6RGG (2nd VP) <rbvallio@gmail.com<mailto:rbvallio@gmail.com>>, vze18vwgu@verizon.net<mailto:vze18vwgu@verizon.net> <vze18vwgu@verizon.net<mailto:vze18vwgu@verizon.net>>, Stafford, Rod, W6ROD (Intl Affairs VP) <w6rod@comcast.net<mailto:w6rod@comcast.net>>, davek3zj@gmail.com<mailto:davek3zj@gmail.com> <davek3zj@gmail.com<mailto:davek3zj@gmail.com>>, Famiglio, Bob, K3RF (VD, AD) <rbfamiglio@verizon.net<mailto:rbfamiglio@verizon.net>>, carlluetzelschwab@gmail.com<mailto:carlluetzelschwab@gmail.com><carlluetzelschwab@gmail.com<mailto:carlluetzelschwab@gmail.com>>, Lippert, Vernon "Bill", AC0W (Dir, DK) <ac0wmoo11@gmail.com<mailto:ac0wmoo11@gmail.com>>, Norris, David, K5UZ (Dir, DL) <david.norris.k5uz@gmail.com<mailto:david.norris.k5uz@gmail.com>>, Williams, Dale, WA8EFK (Dir, GL) <dale.wms1@frontier.com<mailto:dale.wms1@frontier.com>>, Nomar Vizcarrondo <np4h@aol.com<mailto:np4h@aol.com>>, Zygielbaum, Art, K0AIZ (D,MW) (Mail User) <aiz@ctwsoft.com<mailto:aiz@ctwsoft.com>>, Fred Kemmerer <fkemmerer@anita-fred.net<mailto:fkemmerer@anita-fred.net>>, w7vo@comcast.net<mailto:w7vo@comcast.net><w7vo@comcast.net<mailto:w7vo@comcast.net>>, McIntyre, Kristen, K6WX (Dir, PD) <kristen@alum.mit.edu<mailto:kristen@alum.mit.edu>>, Boehner, James, N2ZZ (Dir,RK) <jboehner01@yahoo.com<mailto:jboehner01@yahoo.com>>, Ryan, Jeff, K0RM (Dir, RM) <k0rm@comcast.net<mailto:k0rm@comcast.net>>, fishflorida@gmail.com<mailto:fishflorida@gmail.com> <fishflorida@gmail.com<mailto:fishflorida@gmail.com>>, Stratton, John, N5AUS (Dir, WG) <n5aus@n5aus.com<mailto:n5aus@n5aus.com>>, David Minster <dminster@gmail.com<mailto:dminster@gmail.com>>, Middleton, Diane, W2DLM (CFO) <dmiddleton@arrl.org<mailto:dmiddleton@arrl.org>> Subject: [arrl-odv:34912] ODV Email Failure Yesterday, I called an ARRL Director to discuss a recent message I had sent to ODV on the previous day. The other Director had not received it. I had been wondering what was wrong with my own email settings, as I have not been seeing the messages I have posted to ODV. Further investigation has shown that I have not been receiving ODV messages for some time. I have not received 34865, 34878, 34884, 34886, 34887, 34888, 34889, 34890, 34891, 34892, 34893, 34894, 34895, 34, 896, 34897, 34898, 34899, 34900, 34901, 34902, 34903, 34904, 34905, 34906, 34907, 34908, 34909, and any number above 34910. I have not been receiving A&F Committee messages either, as well as mail from other committees. Obviously this is not a problem exclusive to me. Note that one of the messages I sent to ODV recently was about arrl.net<http://arrl.net/> problems. This is likely to be part of the same issue, that was apparently never addressed I believe it is staff's responsibility to provide adequate communication for the Board. They have failed to do so. There is apparently some problem caused by ARRL addresses being designated as spam sources by some ISP's. It is management and staff's obligation to attend to these issues. It is not a Director's responsibility to solve these problems. We have paid staff to do so. However, I suggest using Director's home email addresses for ODV and other email reflectors rather than CALLSIGN@arrl.org<mailto:CALLSIGN@arrl.org>, or anything to do with ARRL.org<http://arrl.org/>. Also, there should be some place on the arrl.org<http://arrl.org/> web-site where ODV and other reflector emails are available for view by the Board members. I also hope that some method can be found to rectify the problem and provide those of us who have not seen ODV and committee emails to view them. .73, Dick Norton, N6AA _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org<mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv -Kristen (K6WX) "Your eyes ... it's a day's work just looking into them" Laurie Anderson (--... ...-- -.. . -.- -.... .-- -..-)
Mickey: An interesting idea but I tried that feature for a while. You assume all of us use MS Outlook for calendaring but I for one cannot. In my world, and perhaps others on the board, best practice is not using Calendar to run any kind of professional practice and not to split personal & professional time management. I run into this argument regularly. MS Calendar is adequate for many uses where deadline tracking and competing priorities and integrating to-do lists are not a daily issue. But for lawyers (and most others needing time management integrated with projects and work), we are taught by law management professionals to stay away from running one's life on MS Calendar and to not split into two calendars. The most popular professional use example is Time Matters by LexisNexis which I have used for 25 + years. Some day when I retire from a professional practice, I suspect I will prefer something like Calendar. But the "accept" "Reject: "suggest another date or whatever does not work for some of us and keeping two separate Calendars, say a personal calendar for non-work stuff and a professional calendar, is a nightmare. I tried that several times. Manual entry is superior and a must for some of us who need. My IT contractors, a law practice MS shop which used MS Calendar for their own assignments and operations, agrees. Those individuals with less pressing needs and who use Calendar already benefit if they already use it for everything else. It is inexpensive but not that powerful. Bob Famiglio, K3RF Director - ARRL Atlantic Division 610-359-7300 Serving NNY, WNY, WPA, EPA, SNJ, DE and MD/DC sections <http://www.qrz.com/db/K3RF> www.QRZ.com/db/K3RF From: arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org> On Behalf Of Baker, Mickey, N4MB (Dir, SE) Sent: Friday, June 23, 2023 8:28 AM To: Walls, Brent, N9BA (VD, CD) <n9ba@arrl.org>; Norton, Richard N6AA (Dir, SW) <richardjnorton@yahoo.com>; McIntyre, Kristen, K6WX (Dir, PD) <kristen@alum.mit.edu> Cc: Fred Kemmerer <fkemmerer@anita-fred.net>; David Minster <dminster@gmail.com>; Lippert, Vernon "Bill", AC0W (Dir, DK) <ac0wmoo11@gmail.com>; davek3zj@gmail.com; Nomar Vizcarrondo <np4h@aol.com>; Norris, David, K5UZ (Dir, DL) <david.norris.k5uz@gmail.com>; arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org <arrl-odv@arrl.org>; carlluetzelschwab@gmail.com; Zygielbaum, Art, K0AIZ (D, MW) (Mail User) <aiz@ctwsoft.com>; McIntyre, Kristen, K6WX (Dir, PD) <kristen@alum.mit.edu>; Williams, Dale, WA8EFK (Dir, GL) <dale.wms1@frontier.com>; Vallio, Bob, W6RGG (2nd VP) <rbvallio@gmail.com>; Ryan, Jeff, K0RM (Dir, RM) <k0rm@comcast.net> Subject: [arrl-odv:34919] Re: ODV Email Failure The most backward thing I see in the administrative running of the Board is the failure to use calendar invitations to schedule meetings. Almost every blasted meeting you all send out DOES NOT INCLUDE a calendar invitation. These days, in everything I do, INCLUDING CUB SCOUTS, is arranged by calendar invite. In the corporate world, send out a message with a date and time for a meeting and you won't get it scheduled on anyone else's calendar without an appointment event included. Creating your own calendar event with Outlook with the attendee's Outlook email address included will create emails to attendees. A five-device license for the Microsoft Office suite - Word, Excel, Office, Powerpoint, Teams and others - are included for the time you're on the Board. There are literally thousands of videos about the use of these components of Office. You might start here, using only a web browser: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/schedule-with-outlook-on-the-web- 68e9b7e8-33c0-4258-9eee-1b8d626dab5a Many of us don't see a regular workplace, but the skills I'm describing are required of most office workers. Learn how to use Outlook and office, get a computer made in this decade, and your life will become easier. After all, most of us learned to use Zoom 3 years ago in a quick hurry. Mickey N4MB _____ From: arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org <mailto:arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org> > on behalf of Kristen McIntyre <kristen@alum.mit.edu <mailto:kristen@alum.mit.edu> > Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2023 8:20 PM To: Walls, Brent, N9BA (VD, CD) <n9ba@arrl.org <mailto:n9ba@arrl.org> >; Norton, Richard N6AA (Dir, SW) <richardjnorton@yahoo.com <mailto:richardjnorton@yahoo.com> > Cc: David Minster <dminster@gmail.com <mailto:dminster@gmail.com> >; Lippert, Vernon "Bill", AC0W (Dir, DK) <ac0wmoo11@gmail.com <mailto:ac0wmoo11@gmail.com> >; Nomar Vizcarrondo <np4h@aol.com <mailto:np4h@aol.com> >; Ryan, Jeff, K0RM (Dir, RM) <k0rm@comcast.net <mailto:k0rm@comcast.net> >; McIntyre, Kristen, K6WX (Dir, PD) <kristen@alum.mit.edu <mailto:kristen@alum.mit.edu> >; Fred Kemmerer <fkemmerer@anita-fred.net <mailto:fkemmerer@anita-fred.net> >; davek3zj@gmail.com <mailto:davek3zj@gmail.com> <davek3zj@gmail.com <mailto:davek3zj@gmail.com> >; arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org <mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> <arrl-odv@arrl.org <mailto:arrl-odv@arrl.org> >; carlluetzelschwab@gmail.com <mailto:carlluetzelschwab@gmail.com> <carlluetzelschwab@gmail.com <mailto:carlluetzelschwab@gmail.com> >; Norris, David, K5UZ (Dir, DL) <david.norris.k5uz@gmail.com <mailto:david.norris.k5uz@gmail.com> >; Zygielbaum, Art, K0AIZ (D,MW) (Mail User) <aiz@ctwsoft.com <mailto:aiz@ctwsoft.com> >; Williams, Dale, WA8EFK (Dir, GL) <dale.wms1@frontier.com <mailto:dale.wms1@frontier.com> >; Vallio, Bob, W6RGG (2nd VP) <rbvallio@gmail.com <mailto:rbvallio@gmail.com> > Subject: [arrl-odv:34914] Re: ODV Email Failure Former ISP owner here. I would add that Yahoo is one of the worst offenders when it comes to flaky email delivery, for both protocol reasons and unknown reasons. I run a mailman list server at home for a few friends and orgs, and it's a constant battle with Yahoo. I always recommend that people migrate away from them. The only one worse is anything associated with the former PacBell (pacbell.net, sbcglobal.net, etc). Gmail used to accept most anything, but as of about 9 months ago rejects direct email that doesn't have proper DMARC / DKIM / SPF records <https://www.cloudflare.com/learning/email-security/dmarc-dkim-spf/> . It will pass list server mail (forged by definition), but not with 100% certainty. As Brent says, all of the ISPs and mail services are tightening filters up to discourage and filter spam. Using an email forwarder is a recipe for disappointment at some point. As has been mentioned before, MIT gave up on this years ago and gives alums an O365 account now. ARRL does this for us on the Board. I highly recommend you take advantage of it. On Jun 22, 2023, at 5:04 PM, Walls, Brent, N9BA (VD, CD) <n9ba@arrl.org <mailto:n9ba@arrl.org> > wrote: Dick- You can access the reflector including the archives by using your favorite web browser to navigate to <https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv> https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv. The reflector has a web interface that organizes all ODV messages by month and year. You may not have known about this wonderful tool. I can speak with a certain level of knowledge working full time in the technology field specializing in cybersecurity. A lot of e-mail providers including the web based (gmail, aol, yahoo) are starting to implement more robust e-mail protections to slow down messages with malicious intent. Glancing at the membership of ODV, it appears several of the members of ODV are not using the <http://arrl.org/> arrl.org mailbox including yourself. It is highly likely that an e-mail protection in place by yahoo is slowing or denying the messages coming from the email reflector. I am sure David or Diane can have Mr. Berry validate my educated guess. I have been using the <http://arrl.org/> arrl.org mailbox since joining the board family and haven't missed the receipt of a single message. I would highly recommend everyone at least subscribe with their <http://arrl.org/> arrl.org mailbox. 73, Brent N9BA From: arrl-odv < <mailto:arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org> arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org> on behalf of Richard Norton via arrl-odv < <mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> Date: Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 6:21 PM To: <mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org < <mailto:arrl-odv@arrl.org> arrl-odv@arrl.org>, <mailto:k5ur@aol.com> k5ur@aol.com < <mailto:k5ur@aol.com> k5ur@aol.com>, Vallio, Bob, W6RGG (2nd VP) < <mailto:rbvallio@gmail.com> rbvallio@gmail.com>, <mailto:vze18vwgu@verizon.net> vze18vwgu@verizon.net < <mailto:vze18vwgu@verizon.net> vze18vwgu@verizon.net>, Stafford, Rod, W6ROD (Intl Affairs VP) < <mailto:w6rod@comcast.net> w6rod@comcast.net>, <mailto:davek3zj@gmail.com> davek3zj@gmail.com < <mailto:davek3zj@gmail.com> davek3zj@gmail.com>, Famiglio, Bob, K3RF (VD, AD) < <mailto:rbfamiglio@verizon.net> rbfamiglio@verizon.net>, <mailto:carlluetzelschwab@gmail.com> carlluetzelschwab@gmail.com< <mailto:carlluetzelschwab@gmail.com> carlluetzelschwab@gmail.com>, Lippert, Vernon "Bill", AC0W (Dir, DK) < <mailto:ac0wmoo11@gmail.com> ac0wmoo11@gmail.com>, Norris, David, K5UZ (Dir, DL) < <mailto:david.norris.k5uz@gmail.com> david.norris.k5uz@gmail.com>, Williams, Dale, WA8EFK (Dir, GL) < <mailto:dale.wms1@frontier.com> dale.wms1@frontier.com>, Nomar Vizcarrondo < <mailto:np4h@aol.com> np4h@aol.com>, Zygielbaum, Art, K0AIZ (D,MW) (Mail User) < <mailto:aiz@ctwsoft.com> aiz@ctwsoft.com>, Fred Kemmerer < <mailto:fkemmerer@anita-fred.net> fkemmerer@anita-fred.net>, <mailto:w7vo@comcast.net> w7vo@comcast.net< <mailto:w7vo@comcast.net> w7vo@comcast.net>, McIntyre, Kristen, K6WX (Dir, PD) < <mailto:kristen@alum.mit.edu> kristen@alum.mit.edu>, Boehner, James, N2ZZ (Dir,RK) < <mailto:jboehner01@yahoo.com> jboehner01@yahoo.com>, Ryan, Jeff, K0RM (Dir, RM) < <mailto:k0rm@comcast.net> k0rm@comcast.net>, <mailto:fishflorida@gmail.com> fishflorida@gmail.com < <mailto:fishflorida@gmail.com> fishflorida@gmail.com>, Stratton, John, N5AUS (Dir, WG) < <mailto:n5aus@n5aus.com> n5aus@n5aus.com>, David Minster < <mailto:dminster@gmail.com> dminster@gmail.com>, Middleton, Diane, W2DLM (CFO) < <mailto:dmiddleton@arrl.org> dmiddleton@arrl.org> Subject: [arrl-odv:34912] ODV Email Failure Yesterday, I called an ARRL Director to discuss a recent message I had sent to ODV on the previous day. The other Director had not received it. I had been wondering what was wrong with my own email settings, as I have not been seeing the messages I have posted to ODV. Further investigation has shown that I have not been receiving ODV messages for some time. I have not received 34865, 34878, 34884, 34886, 34887, 34888, 34889, 34890, 34891, 34892, 34893, 34894, 34895, 34, 896, 34897, 34898, 34899, 34900, 34901, 34902, 34903, 34904, 34905, 34906, 34907, 34908, 34909, and any number above 34910. I have not been receiving A&F Committee messages either, as well as mail from other committees. Obviously this is not a problem exclusive to me. Note that one of the messages I sent to ODV recently was about <http://arrl.net/> arrl.net problems. This is likely to be part of the same issue, that was apparently never addressed I believe it is staff's responsibility to provide adequate communication for the Board. They have failed to do so. There is apparently some problem caused by ARRL addresses being designated as spam sources by some ISP's. It is management and staff's obligation to attend to these issues. It is not a Director's responsibility to solve these problems. We have paid staff to do so. However, I suggest using Director's home email addresses for ODV and other email reflectors rather than <mailto:CALLSIGN@arrl.org> CALLSIGN@arrl.org, or anything to do with <http://arrl.org/> ARRL.org. Also, there should be some place on the <http://arrl.org/> arrl.org web-site where ODV and other reflector emails are available for view by the Board members. I also hope that some method can be found to rectify the problem and provide those of us who have not seen ODV and committee emails to view them. .73, Dick Norton, N6AA _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list <mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org <https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv> https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv -Kristen (K6WX) "Your eyes ... it's a day's work just looking into them" Laurie Anderson (--... ...-- -.. . -.- -.... .-- -..-)
Hopefully, I can make this easy. Contact Leroy Stampp lstampp@arrl.org <mailto:lstampp@arrl.org> and set a time for a phone call to get your email set up. He will either instruct you how to set it up or will remote into your computer and set it up for you. Since I did this, I have had ZERO troubles with my arrl.org or my arrl.net addresses. I receive them on all my computers and my phone, including copies that I send to myself (which was a major problem before). It took 15 minutes of my time. My main email address continues to be separate and was not affected by this process. The email forwarding that we all depended on before is and will continue to be unreliable. As Brent and Kristen indicated, it is not due to the ARRL. It is a sign of the times and will only get worse. I hope this helps. '73 de Jim N2ZZ Director - Roanoke Division Representing ARRL members in North Carolina, South Carolina, Virginia and West Virginia ARRL - the national association for Amateur Radio Facebook Page: ARRL Roanoke Division Website: <http://www.arrl-roanoke.org/> www.arrl-roanoke.org From: Walls, Brent, N9BA (VD, CD) <n9ba@arrl.org> Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2023 8:04 PM To: Norton, Richard N6AA (Dir, SW) <richardjnorton@yahoo.com>; arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org <arrl-odv@arrl.org>; k5ur@aol.com; Vallio, Bob, W6RGG (2nd VP) <rbvallio@gmail.com>; vze18vwgu@verizon.net; Stafford, Rod, W6ROD (Intl Affairs VP) <w6rod@comcast.net>; davek3zj@gmail.com; Famiglio, Bob, K3RF (VD, AD) <rbfamiglio@verizon.net>; carlluetzelschwab@gmail.com; Lippert, Vernon "Bill", AC0W (Dir, DK) <ac0wmoo11@gmail.com>; Norris, David, K5UZ (Dir, DL) <david.norris.k5uz@gmail.com>; Williams, Dale, WA8EFK (Dir, GL) <dale.wms1@frontier.com>; Nomar Vizcarrondo <np4h@aol.com>; Zygielbaum, Art, K0AIZ (D,MW) (Mail User) <aiz@ctwsoft.com>; Fred Kemmerer <fkemmerer@anita-fred.net>; w7vo@comcast.net; McIntyre, Kristen, K6WX (Dir, PD) <kristen@alum.mit.edu>; Boehner, James, N2ZZ (Dir,RK) <jboehner01@yahoo.com>; Ryan, Jeff, K0RM (Dir, RM) <k0rm@comcast.net>; fishflorida@gmail.com; Stratton, John, N5AUS (Dir, WG) <n5aus@n5aus.com>; David Minster <dminster@gmail.com>; Norton, Richard N6AA (Dir, SW) <richardjnorton@yahoo.com>; Middleton, Diane, W2DLM (CFO) <dmiddleton@arrl.org> Subject: Re: [arrl-odv:34912] ODV Email Failure Dick- You can access the reflector including the archives by using your favorite web browser to navigate to https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv. The reflector has a web interface that organizes all ODV messages by month and year. You may not have known about this wonderful tool. I can speak with a certain level of knowledge working full time in the technology field specializing in cybersecurity. A lot of e-mail providers including the web based (gmail, aol, yahoo) are starting to implement more robust e-mail protections to slow down messages with malicious intent. Glancing at the membership of ODV, it appears several of the members of ODV are not using the arrl.org mailbox including yourself. It is highly likely that an e-mail protection in place by yahoo is slowing or denying the messages coming from the email reflector. I am sure David or Diane can have Mr. Berry validate my educated guess. I have been using the arrl.org mailbox since joining the board family and haven't missed the receipt of a single message. I would highly recommend everyone at least subscribe with their arrl.org mailbox. 73, Brent N9BA From: arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org <mailto:arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org> > on behalf of Richard Norton via arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org <mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> > Date: Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 6:21 PM To: arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org <mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> <arrl-odv@arrl.org <mailto:arrl-odv@arrl.org> >, k5ur@aol.com <mailto:k5ur@aol.com> <k5ur@aol.com <mailto:k5ur@aol.com> >, Vallio, Bob, W6RGG (2nd VP) <rbvallio@gmail.com <mailto:rbvallio@gmail.com> >, vze18vwgu@verizon.net <mailto:vze18vwgu@verizon.net> <vze18vwgu@verizon.net <mailto:vze18vwgu@verizon.net> >, Stafford, Rod, W6ROD (Intl Affairs VP) <w6rod@comcast.net <mailto:w6rod@comcast.net> >, davek3zj@gmail.com <mailto:davek3zj@gmail.com> <davek3zj@gmail.com <mailto:davek3zj@gmail.com>
, Famiglio, Bob, K3RF (VD, AD) <rbfamiglio@verizon.net <mailto:rbfamiglio@verizon.net> >, carlluetzelschwab@gmail.com <mailto:carlluetzelschwab@gmail.com> <carlluetzelschwab@gmail.com <mailto:carlluetzelschwab@gmail.com> >, Lippert, Vernon "Bill", AC0W (Dir, DK) <ac0wmoo11@gmail.com <mailto:ac0wmoo11@gmail.com> >, Norris, David, K5UZ (Dir, DL) <david.norris.k5uz@gmail.com <mailto:david.norris.k5uz@gmail.com> , Williams, Dale, WA8EFK (Dir, GL) <dale.wms1@frontier.com <mailto:dale.wms1@frontier.com> >, Nomar Vizcarrondo <np4h@aol.com <mailto:np4h@aol.com> >, Zygielbaum, Art, K0AIZ (D,MW) (Mail User) <aiz@ctwsoft.com <mailto:aiz@ctwsoft.com> >, Fred Kemmerer <fkemmerer@anita-fred.net <mailto:fkemmerer@anita-fred.net> >, w7vo@comcast.net <mailto:w7vo@comcast.net> <w7vo@comcast.net <mailto:w7vo@comcast.net> >, McIntyre, Kristen, K6WX (Dir, PD) <kristen@alum.mit.edu <mailto:kristen@alum.mit.edu> >, Boehner, James, N2ZZ (Dir,RK) <jboehner01@yahoo.com <mailto:jboehner01@yahoo.com> >, Ryan, Jeff, K0RM (Dir, RM) <k0rm@comcast.net <mailto:k0rm@comcast.net> >, fishflorida@gmail.com <mailto:fishflorida@gmail.com> <fishflorida@gmail.com <mailto:fishflorida@gmail.com> >, Stratton, John, N5AUS (Dir, WG) <n5aus@n5aus.com <mailto:n5aus@n5aus.com> >, David Minster <dminster@gmail.com <mailto:dminster@gmail.com> >, Middleton, Diane, W2DLM (CFO) <dmiddleton@arrl.org <mailto:dmiddleton@arrl.org> > Subject: [arrl-odv:34912] ODV Email Failure
Yesterday, I called an ARRL Director to discuss a recent message I had sent to ODV on the previous day. The other Director had not received it. I had been wondering what was wrong with my own email settings, as I have not been seeing the messages I have posted to ODV. Further investigation has shown that I have not been receiving ODV messages for some time. I have not received 34865, 34878, 34884, 34886, 34887, 34888, 34889, 34890, 34891, 34892, 34893, 34894, 34895, 34, 896, 34897, 34898, 34899, 34900, 34901, 34902, 34903, 34904, 34905, 34906, 34907, 34908, 34909, and any number above 34910. I have not been receiving A&F Committee messages either, as well as mail from other committees. Obviously this is not a problem exclusive to me. Note that one of the messages I sent to ODV recently was about arrl.net problems. This is likely to be part of the same issue, that was apparently never addressed I believe it is staff's responsibility to provide adequate communication for the Board. They have failed to do so. There is apparently some problem caused by ARRL addresses being designated as spam sources by some ISP's. It is management and staff's obligation to attend to these issues. It is not a Director's responsibility to solve these problems. We have paid staff to do so. However, I suggest using Director's home email addresses for ODV and other email reflectors rather than CALLSIGN@arrl.org <mailto:CALLSIGN@arrl.org> , or anything to do with ARRL.org. Also, there should be some place on the arrl.org web-site where ODV and other reflector emails are available for view by the Board members. I also hope that some method can be found to rectify the problem and provide those of us who have not seen ODV and committee emails to view them. .73, Dick Norton, N6AA
This is a fine kettle of fish. I'm one of the ones getting very sporadic e-mails from ODV, and several of my recent e-mails sent to staff at HQ have not been answered as well. But I'm confused. If we use the "ARRL Office365 version" of e-mail, will that work with my laptop that already has MS Office 2021 installed on it? Do I then have to get all my ARRL e-mails through MS Outlook, rather than going into my normal Comcast e-mail account on their website, or will they still be sent through Comcast? 73; Mike W7VO
On 06/22/2023 6:57 PM PDT James F. Boehner, MD <jboehner01@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hopefully, I can make this easy.
Contact Leroy Stampp lstampp@arrl.org mailto:lstampp@arrl.org and set a time for a phone call to get your email set up.
He will either instruct you how to set it up or will remote into your computer and set it up for you.
Since I did this, I have had ZERO troubles with my arrl.org or my arrl.net addresses. I receive them on all my computers and my phone, including copies that I send to myself (which was a major problem before). It took 15 minutes of my time.
My main email address continues to be separate and was not affected by this process.
The email forwarding that we all depended on before is and will continue to be unreliable. As Brent and Kristen indicated, it is not due to the ARRL. It is a sign of the times and will only get worse.
I hope this helps.
‘73 de Jim N2ZZ
Director – Roanoke Division
Representing ARRL members in North Carolina, South Carolina, Virginia and West Virginia
ARRL – the national association for Amateur Radio
Facebook Page: ARRL Roanoke Division
Website: www.arrl-roanoke.org http://www.arrl-roanoke.org/
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From: Walls, Brent, N9BA (VD, CD) <n9ba@arrl.org> Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2023 8:04 PM To: Norton, Richard N6AA (Dir, SW) <richardjnorton@yahoo.com>; arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org <arrl-odv@arrl.org>; k5ur@aol.com; Vallio, Bob, W6RGG (2nd VP) <rbvallio@gmail.com>; vze18vwgu@verizon.net; Stafford, Rod, W6ROD (Intl Affairs VP) <w6rod@comcast.net>; davek3zj@gmail.com; Famiglio, Bob, K3RF (VD, AD) <rbfamiglio@verizon.net>; carlluetzelschwab@gmail.com; Lippert, Vernon "Bill", AC0W (Dir, DK) <ac0wmoo11@gmail.com>; Norris, David, K5UZ (Dir, DL) <david.norris.k5uz@gmail.com>; Williams, Dale, WA8EFK (Dir, GL) <dale.wms1@frontier.com>; Nomar Vizcarrondo <np4h@aol.com>; Zygielbaum, Art, K0AIZ (D,MW) (Mail User) <aiz@ctwsoft.com>; Fred Kemmerer <fkemmerer@anita-fred.net>; w7vo@comcast.net; McIntyre, Kristen, K6WX (Dir, PD) <kristen@alum.mit.edu>; Boehner, James, N2ZZ (Dir,RK) <jboehner01@yahoo.com>; Ryan, Jeff, K0RM (Dir, RM) <k0rm@comcast.net>; fishflorida@gmail.com; Stratton, John, N5AUS (Dir, WG) <n5aus@n5aus.com>; David Minster <dminster@gmail.com>; Norton, Richard N6AA (Dir, SW) <richardjnorton@yahoo.com>; Middleton, Diane, W2DLM (CFO) <dmiddleton@arrl.org> Subject: Re: [arrl-odv:34912] ODV Email Failure
Dick-
You can access the reflector including the archives by using your favorite web browser to navigate to https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv. The reflector has a web interface that organizes all ODV messages by month and year. You may not have known about this wonderful tool.
I can speak with a certain level of knowledge working full time in the technology field specializing in cybersecurity. A lot of e-mail providers including the web based (gmail, aol, yahoo) are starting to implement more robust e-mail protections to slow down messages with malicious intent. Glancing at the membership of ODV, it appears several of the members of ODV are not using the arrl.org mailbox including yourself. It is highly likely that an e-mail protection in place by yahoo is slowing or denying the messages coming from the email reflector. I am sure David or Diane can have Mr. Berry validate my educated guess.
I have been using the arrl.org mailbox since joining the board family and haven’t missed the receipt of a single message. I would highly recommend everyone at least subscribe with their arrl.org mailbox.
73,
Brent N9BA
From: arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org mailto:arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org> on behalf of Richard Norton via arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> Date: Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 6:21 PM To: arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org <arrl-odv@arrl.org mailto:arrl-odv@arrl.org>, k5ur@aol.com mailto:k5ur@aol.com <k5ur@aol.com mailto:k5ur@aol.com>, Vallio, Bob, W6RGG (2nd VP) <rbvallio@gmail.com mailto:rbvallio@gmail.com>, vze18vwgu@verizon.net mailto:vze18vwgu@verizon.net <vze18vwgu@verizon.net mailto:vze18vwgu@verizon.net>, Stafford, Rod, W6ROD (Intl Affairs VP) <w6rod@comcast.net mailto:w6rod@comcast.net>, davek3zj@gmail.com mailto:davek3zj@gmail.com <davek3zj@gmail.com mailto:davek3zj@gmail.com>, Famiglio, Bob, K3RF (VD, AD) <rbfamiglio@verizon.net mailto:rbfamiglio@verizon.net>, carlluetzelschwab@gmail.com mailto:carlluetzelschwab@gmail.com <carlluetzelschwab@gmail.com mailto:carlluetzelschwab@gmail.com>, Lippert, Vernon "Bill", AC0W (Dir, DK) <ac0wmoo11@gmail.com mailto:ac0wmoo11@gmail.com>, Norris, David, K5UZ (Dir, DL) <david.norris.k5uz@gmail.com mailto:david.norris.k5uz@gmail.com>, Williams, Dale, WA8EFK (Dir, GL) <dale.wms1@frontier.com mailto:dale.wms1@frontier.com>, Nomar Vizcarrondo <np4h@aol.com mailto:np4h@aol.com>, Zygielbaum, Art, K0AIZ (D,MW) (Mail User) <aiz@ctwsoft.com mailto:aiz@ctwsoft.com>, Fred Kemmerer <fkemmerer@anita-fred.net mailto:fkemmerer@anita-fred.net>, w7vo@comcast.net mailto:w7vo@comcast.net <w7vo@comcast.net mailto:w7vo@comcast.net>, McIntyre, Kristen, K6WX (Dir, PD) <kristen@alum.mit.edu mailto:kristen@alum.mit.edu>, Boehner, James, N2ZZ (Dir,RK) <jboehner01@yahoo.com mailto:jboehner01@yahoo.com>, Ryan, Jeff, K0RM (Dir, RM) <k0rm@comcast.net mailto:k0rm@comcast.net>, fishflorida@gmail.com mailto:fishflorida@gmail.com <fishflorida@gmail.com mailto:fishflorida@gmail.com>, Stratton, John, N5AUS (Dir, WG) <n5aus@n5aus.com mailto:n5aus@n5aus.com>, David Minster <dminster@gmail.com mailto:dminster@gmail.com>, Middleton, Diane, W2DLM (CFO) <dmiddleton@arrl.org mailto:dmiddleton@arrl.org> Subject: [arrl-odv:34912] ODV Email Failure
Yesterday, I called an ARRL Director to discuss a recent message I had sent to ODV on the previous day. The other Director had not received it.
I had been wondering what was wrong with my own email settings, as I have not been seeing the messages I have posted to ODV.
Further investigation has shown that I have not been receiving ODV messages for some time. I have not received 34865, 34878, 34884, 34886, 34887, 34888, 34889, 34890, 34891, 34892, 34893, 34894, 34895, 34, 896, 34897, 34898, 34899, 34900, 34901, 34902, 34903, 34904, 34905, 34906, 34907, 34908, 34909, and any number above 34910.
I have not been receiving A&F Committee messages either, as well as mail from other committees.
Obviously this is not a problem exclusive to me.
Note that one of the messages I sent to ODV recently was about arrl.net problems. This is likely to be part of the same issue, that was apparently never addressed
I believe it is staff's responsibility to provide adequate communication for the Board. They have failed to do so.
There is apparently some problem caused by ARRL addresses being designated as spam sources by some ISP's. It is management and staff's obligation to attend to these issues.
It is not a Director's responsibility to solve these problems. We have paid staff to do so. However, I suggest using Director's home email addresses for ODV and other email reflectors rather than CALLSIGN@arrl.org mailto:CALLSIGN@arrl.org, or anything to do with ARRL.org. Also, there should be some place on the arrl.org web-site where ODV and other reflector emails are available for view by the Board members.
I also hope that some method can be found to rectify the problem and provide those of us who have not seen ODV and committee emails to view them.
.73,
Dick Norton, N6AA
Mr. Ritz asks: If we use the "ARRL Office365 version" of e-mail, will that work with my laptop that already has MS Office 2021 installed on it? Yes, but you should update outlook and keep it updated with the Microsoft tool. This will be a safer posture for you. Additionally, you could consider PURCHASING an e-mail antivirus package for your PC that includes email filtering. Outlook doesn’t do a lot. Mickey Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> ________________________________ From: arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org> on behalf of Michael Ritz <w7vo@comcast.net> Sent: Friday, June 23, 2023 12:21:46 AM To: Boehner, James, N2ZZ (Dir,RK) <jboehner01@yahoo.com>; Walls, Brent, N9BA (VD, CD) <n9ba@arrl.org>; Norton, Richard N6AA (Dir, SW) <richardjnorton@yahoo.com>; arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org <arrl-odv@arrl.org>; k5ur@aol.com <k5ur@aol.com>; Vallio, Bob, W6RGG (2nd VP) <rbvallio@gmail.com>; vze18vwgu@verizon.net <vze18vwgu@verizon.net>; Stafford, Rod, W6ROD (Intl Affairs VP) <w6rod@comcast.net>; davek3zj@gmail.com <davek3zj@gmail.com>; Famiglio, Bob, K3RF (VD, AD) <rbfamiglio@verizon.net>; carlluetzelschwab@gmail.com <carlluetzelschwab@gmail.com>; Lippert, Vernon "Bill", AC0W (Dir, DK) <ac0wmoo11@gmail.com>; Norris, David, K5UZ (Dir, DL) <david.norris.k5uz@gmail.com>; Williams, Dale, WA8EFK (Dir, GL) <dale.wms1@frontier.com>; Nomar Vizcarrondo <np4h@aol.com>; Zygielbaum, Art, K0AIZ (D,MW) (Mail User) <aiz@ctwsoft.com>; Fred Kemmerer <fkemmerer@anita-fred.net>; McIntyre, Kristen, K6WX (Dir, PD) <kristen@alum.mit.edu>; Ryan, Jeff, K0RM (Dir, RM) <k0rm@comcast.net>; fishflorida@gmail.com <fishflorida@gmail.com>; Stratton, John, N5AUS (Dir, WG) <n5aus@n5aus.com>; David Minster <dminster@gmail.com>; Middleton, Diane, W2DLM (CFO) <dmiddleton@arrl.org> Subject: [arrl-odv:34917] Re: ODV Email Failure This is a fine kettle of fish. I'm one of the ones getting very sporadic e-mails from ODV, and several of my recent e-mails sent to staff at HQ have not been answered as well. But I'm confused. If we use the "ARRL Office365 version" of e-mail, will that work with my laptop that already has MS Office 2021 installed on it? Do I then have to get all my ARRL e-mails through MS Outlook, rather than going into my normal Comcast e-mail account on their website, or will they still be sent through Comcast? 73; Mike W7VO On 06/22/2023 6:57 PM PDT James F. Boehner, MD <jboehner01@yahoo.com> wrote: Hopefully, I can make this easy. Contact Leroy Stampp lstampp@arrl.org<mailto:lstampp@arrl.org> and set a time for a phone call to get your email set up. He will either instruct you how to set it up or will remote into your computer and set it up for you. Since I did this, I have had ZERO troubles with my arrl.org or my arrl.net addresses. I receive them on all my computers and my phone, including copies that I send to myself (which was a major problem before). It took 15 minutes of my time. My main email address continues to be separate and was not affected by this process. The email forwarding that we all depended on before is and will continue to be unreliable. As Brent and Kristen indicated, it is not due to the ARRL. It is a sign of the times and will only get worse. I hope this helps. ‘73 de Jim N2ZZ Director – Roanoke Division Representing ARRL members in North Carolina, South Carolina, Virginia and West Virginia ARRL – the national association for Amateur Radio Facebook Page: ARRL Roanoke Division Website: www.arrl-roanoke.org<http://www.arrl-roanoke.org/> [Text, logo Description automatically generated] From: Walls, Brent, N9BA (VD, CD) <n9ba@arrl.org> Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2023 8:04 PM To: Norton, Richard N6AA (Dir, SW) <richardjnorton@yahoo.com>; arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org <arrl-odv@arrl.org>; k5ur@aol.com; Vallio, Bob, W6RGG (2nd VP) <rbvallio@gmail.com>; vze18vwgu@verizon.net; Stafford, Rod, W6ROD (Intl Affairs VP) <w6rod@comcast.net>; davek3zj@gmail.com; Famiglio, Bob, K3RF (VD, AD) <rbfamiglio@verizon.net>; carlluetzelschwab@gmail.com; Lippert, Vernon "Bill", AC0W (Dir, DK) <ac0wmoo11@gmail.com>; Norris, David, K5UZ (Dir, DL) <david.norris.k5uz@gmail.com>; Williams, Dale, WA8EFK (Dir, GL) <dale.wms1@frontier.com>; Nomar Vizcarrondo <np4h@aol.com>; Zygielbaum, Art, K0AIZ (D,MW) (Mail User) <aiz@ctwsoft.com>; Fred Kemmerer <fkemmerer@anita-fred.net>; w7vo@comcast.net; McIntyre, Kristen, K6WX (Dir, PD) <kristen@alum.mit.edu>; Boehner, James, N2ZZ (Dir,RK) <jboehner01@yahoo.com>; Ryan, Jeff, K0RM (Dir, RM) <k0rm@comcast.net>; fishflorida@gmail.com; Stratton, John, N5AUS (Dir, WG) <n5aus@n5aus.com>; David Minster <dminster@gmail.com>; Norton, Richard N6AA (Dir, SW) <richardjnorton@yahoo.com>; Middleton, Diane, W2DLM (CFO) <dmiddleton@arrl.org> Subject: Re: [arrl-odv:34912] ODV Email Failure Dick- You can access the reflector including the archives by using your favorite web browser to navigate to https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv. The reflector has a web interface that organizes all ODV messages by month and year. You may not have known about this wonderful tool. I can speak with a certain level of knowledge working full time in the technology field specializing in cybersecurity. A lot of e-mail providers including the web based (gmail, aol, yahoo) are starting to implement more robust e-mail protections to slow down messages with malicious intent. Glancing at the membership of ODV, it appears several of the members of ODV are not using the arrl.org mailbox including yourself. It is highly likely that an e-mail protection in place by yahoo is slowing or denying the messages coming from the email reflector. I am sure David or Diane can have Mr. Berry validate my educated guess. I have been using the arrl.org mailbox since joining the board family and haven’t missed the receipt of a single message. I would highly recommend everyone at least subscribe with their arrl.org mailbox. 73, Brent N9BA From: arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org<mailto:arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org>> on behalf of Richard Norton via arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org<mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org>> Date: Thursday, June 22, 2023 at 6:21 PM To: arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org<mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> <arrl-odv@arrl.org<mailto:arrl-odv@arrl.org>>, k5ur@aol.com<mailto:k5ur@aol.com> <k5ur@aol.com<mailto:k5ur@aol.com>>, Vallio, Bob, W6RGG (2nd VP) <rbvallio@gmail.com<mailto:rbvallio@gmail.com>>, vze18vwgu@verizon.net<mailto:vze18vwgu@verizon.net> <vze18vwgu@verizon.net<mailto:vze18vwgu@verizon.net>>, Stafford, Rod, W6ROD (Intl Affairs VP) <w6rod@comcast.net<mailto:w6rod@comcast.net>>, davek3zj@gmail.com<mailto:davek3zj@gmail.com> <davek3zj@gmail.com<mailto:davek3zj@gmail.com>>, Famiglio, Bob, K3RF (VD, AD) <rbfamiglio@verizon.net<mailto:rbfamiglio@verizon.net>>, carlluetzelschwab@gmail.com<mailto:carlluetzelschwab@gmail.com> <carlluetzelschwab@gmail.com<mailto:carlluetzelschwab@gmail.com>>, Lippert, Vernon "Bill", AC0W (Dir, DK) <ac0wmoo11@gmail.com<mailto:ac0wmoo11@gmail.com>>, Norris, David, K5UZ (Dir, DL) <david.norris.k5uz@gmail.com<mailto:david.norris.k5uz@gmail.com>>, Williams, Dale, WA8EFK (Dir, GL) <dale.wms1@frontier.com<mailto:dale.wms1@frontier.com>>, Nomar Vizcarrondo <np4h@aol.com<mailto:np4h@aol.com>>, Zygielbaum, Art, K0AIZ (D,MW) (Mail User) <aiz@ctwsoft.com<mailto:aiz@ctwsoft.com>>, Fred Kemmerer <fkemmerer@anita-fred.net<mailto:fkemmerer@anita-fred.net>>, w7vo@comcast.net<mailto:w7vo@comcast.net> <w7vo@comcast.net<mailto:w7vo@comcast.net>>, McIntyre, Kristen, K6WX (Dir, PD) <kristen@alum.mit.edu<mailto:kristen@alum.mit.edu>>, Boehner, James, N2ZZ (Dir,RK) <jboehner01@yahoo.com<mailto:jboehner01@yahoo.com>>, Ryan, Jeff, K0RM (Dir, RM) <k0rm@comcast.net<mailto:k0rm@comcast.net>>, fishflorida@gmail.com<mailto:fishflorida@gmail.com> <fishflorida@gmail.com<mailto:fishflorida@gmail.com>>, Stratton, John, N5AUS (Dir, WG) <n5aus@n5aus.com<mailto:n5aus@n5aus.com>>, David Minster <dminster@gmail.com<mailto:dminster@gmail.com>>, Middleton, Diane, W2DLM (CFO) <dmiddleton@arrl.org<mailto:dmiddleton@arrl.org>> Subject: [arrl-odv:34912] ODV Email Failure Yesterday, I called an ARRL Director to discuss a recent message I had sent to ODV on the previous day. The other Director had not received it. I had been wondering what was wrong with my own email settings, as I have not been seeing the messages I have posted to ODV. Further investigation has shown that I have not been receiving ODV messages for some time. I have not received 34865, 34878, 34884, 34886, 34887, 34888, 34889, 34890, 34891, 34892, 34893, 34894, 34895, 34, 896, 34897, 34898, 34899, 34900, 34901, 34902, 34903, 34904, 34905, 34906, 34907, 34908, 34909, and any number above 34910. I have not been receiving A&F Committee messages either, as well as mail from other committees. Obviously this is not a problem exclusive to me. Note that one of the messages I sent to ODV recently was about arrl.net problems. This is likely to be part of the same issue, that was apparently never addressed I believe it is staff's responsibility to provide adequate communication for the Board. They have failed to do so. There is apparently some problem caused by ARRL addresses being designated as spam sources by some ISP's. It is management and staff's obligation to attend to these issues. It is not a Director's responsibility to solve these problems. We have paid staff to do so. However, I suggest using Director's home email addresses for ODV and other email reflectors rather than CALLSIGN@arrl.org<mailto:CALLSIGN@arrl.org>, or anything to do with ARRL.org. Also, there should be some place on the arrl.org web-site where ODV and other reflector emails are available for view by the Board members. I also hope that some method can be found to rectify the problem and provide those of us who have not seen ODV and committee emails to view them. .73, Dick Norton, N6AA
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Baker, Mickey, N4MB (Dir, SE) -
James F. Boehner, MD -
Kristen McIntyre -
Michael Ritz -
Middleton, Diane, W2DLM (CFO) -
RBFamiglio＠verizon.net -
Richard Norton -
Walls, Brent, N9BA (VD, CD)