[arrl-odv:27162] OO Program Study Committee
Hi gang: I’ve appointed Riley Hollingsworth, K4ZDH, as Chair of the OOProgram Study Committee to replace Brian who is rolling off. I’ve alsoappointed Bob Vallio to serve on the Committee. I appreciate Riley stepping up to the plate to take thereins. 73 Rick – K5UR ...
Does anyone have any objection to resuming the appointment of OO's as needed, until the FCC meets with us on the new agreement? That will probably be within a few months, i.e., as soon as they get out the three major cases they are working on now in our service. I recommend that we resume the appointments.
On April 5, 2018 at 2:16 PM "Roderick, Rick, K5UR via arrl-odv" <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> wrote:
Hi gang:
I’ve appointed Riley Hollingsworth, K4ZDH, as Chair of the OO Program Study Committee to replace Brian who is rolling off. I’ve also appointed Bob Vallio to serve on the Committee.
I appreciate Riley stepping up to the plate to take the reins.
73 Rick – K5UR
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Riley, At one point, there was talk that all existing OOs would need to be re-qualified, take some training and a test, and some would not be invited to continue. I don't know if that's still in the cards, but if so, I think it is appropriate that OOCs be warned about this possibility. Starting and stopping again, whether or not for good reason, would not improve our relationship to OOs. If this "re-qualification" is no longer on the table, I agree that resuming appointments is a good idea. 73, Greg, K0GW On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 7:54 AM, RILEY HOLLINGSWORTH < rilepatholling@comcast.net> wrote:
Does anyone have any objection to resuming the appointment of OO's as needed, until the FCC meets with us on the new agreement? That will probably be within a few months, i.e., as soon as they get out the three major cases they are working on now in our service.
I recommend that we resume the appointments.
On April 5, 2018 at 2:16 PM "Roderick, Rick, K5UR via arrl-odv" < arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> wrote:
Hi gang:
I’ve appointed Riley Hollingsworth, K4ZDH, as Chair of the OO Program Study Committee to replace Brian who is rolling off. I’ve also appointed Bob Vallio to serve on the Committee.
I appreciate Riley stepping up to the plate to take the reins.
73 Rick – K5UR
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I have already requested this on the executive committee reflector. I feel we should resume the appointment of OO’s with the caveat that they understand talks with the FCC are still going on, and there are expected to be major changes in the program. I have a SC OOC that is covering for a GA OOC because of a resignation, and there is not an ability to reappoint. Let’s give back this ability to SM’s. ‘73 de Jim N2ZZ Sent from my Etch A Sketch!
On Apr 17, 2018, at 9:45 AM, G Widin <gpwidin@comcast.net> wrote:
Riley, At one point, there was talk that all existing OOs would need to be re-qualified, take some training and a test, and some would not be invited to continue. I don't know if that's still in the cards, but if so, I think it is appropriate that OOCs be warned about this possibility. Starting and stopping again, whether or not for good reason, would not improve our relationship to OOs. If this "re-qualification" is no longer on the table, I agree that resuming appointments is a good idea. 73, Greg, K0GW
On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 7:54 AM, RILEY HOLLINGSWORTH <rilepatholling@comcast.net> wrote: Does anyone have any objection to resuming the appointment of OO's as needed, until the FCC meets with us on the new agreement? That will probably be within a few months, i.e., as soon as they get out the three major cases they are working on now in our service.
I recommend that we resume the appointments.
On April 5, 2018 at 2:16 PM "Roderick, Rick, K5UR via arrl-odv" <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> wrote:
Hi gang:
I’ve appointed Riley Hollingsworth, K4ZDH, as Chair of the OO Program Study Committee to replace Brian who is rolling off. I’ve also appointed Bob Vallio to serve on the Committee.
I appreciate Riley stepping up to the plate to take the reins.
73 Rick – K5UR
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It's still on the table, so I would think that they would be informed that we need them but that this is an interim process. The FCC has heavily edited the MOU and manual but approves both and Laura thinks we will be very happy with them. It's just that the timing the agency timing is based upon geologic eras rather than Gregorian calendar....
On April 17, 2018 at 9:45 AM G Widin <gpwidin@comcast.net> wrote:
Riley, At one point, there was talk that all existing OOs would need to be re-qualified, take some training and a test, and some would not be invited to continue. I don't know if that's still in the cards, but if so, I think it is appropriate that OOCs be warned about this possibility. Starting and stopping again, whether or not for good reason, would not improve our relationship to OOs. If this "re-qualification" is no longer on the table, I agree that resuming appointments is a good idea. 73, Greg, K0GW
On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 7:54 AM, RILEY HOLLINGSWORTH <rilepatholling@comcast.net mailto:rilepatholling@comcast.net > wrote:
> > Does anyone have any objection to resuming the appointment of OO's as needed, until the FCC meets with us on the new agreement? That will probably be within a few months, i.e., as soon as they get out the three major cases they are working on now in our service.
I recommend that we resume the appointments.
> > > On April 5, 2018 at 2:16 PM "Roderick, Rick, K5UR via arrl-odv" <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org > wrote:
Hi gang:
I’ve appointed Riley Hollingsworth, K4ZDH, as Chair of the OO Program Study Committee to replace Brian who is rolling off. I’ve also appointed Bob Vallio to serve on the Committee.
I appreciate Riley stepping up to the plate to take the reins.
73 Rick – K5UR
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PLEASE DO SO!!! This has been dragging on far too long. Mike N2YBB From: RILEY HOLLINGSWORTH Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2018 8:54 AM To: Roderick, Rick, K5UR via arrl-odv ; k5ur@aol.com Subject: [arrl-odv:27169] Re: OO Program Study Committee Does anyone have any objection to resuming the appointment of OO's as needed, until the FCC meets with us on the new agreement? That will probably be within a few months, i.e., as soon as they get out the three major cases they are working on now in our service. I recommend that we resume the appointments. On April 5, 2018 at 2:16 PM "Roderick, Rick, K5UR via arrl-odv" <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> wrote: Hi gang: I’ve appointed Riley Hollingsworth, K4ZDH, as Chair of the OO Program Study Committee to replace Brian who is rolling off. I’ve also appointed Bob Vallio to serve on the Committee. I appreciate Riley stepping up to the plate to take the reins. 73 Rick – K5UR ... _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv
Riley, I realize that the work of the OO Committee has taken far longer than it should have and that has been a source of frustration to the members of the OO Revitalization Committee (as I have been calling it), including Dan Henderson, me, and I dare say, you too. As can be seen from the Comments from ODV, on your suggestion, there is a great deal of frustration with the inordinate delay in launching the new program, *all of it justified*. This new program should have been in place a year ago, as I see it. That was FCC's anticipation as well. However, restarting OO appointments under the old program now, when we have about 700 people on the rolls already (which everyone, including FCC agree is far too many) and a plan on the verge of execution to seriously reduce the aggregate number of OOs nationwide in the near term to a far lower number of vetted, trained OOs, creates very practical problems of volunteer management and expectations that stand to derail the entire revitalization plan and necessitate suspending OO appointments twice. I hope that the OO Committee members can discuss this further before you make a decision to do this. I note also that the status of the OO Revitalization program is on the agenda for this weekend's EC meeting and that President Roderick has asked that you participate in that part of the meeting by telephone. Could we bat this around before you make any decisions, either within the OO Revitalization Committee (which hasn't had a meeting since the Board meeting) or the EC this weekend? 73, Chris W3KD On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 8:54 AM, RILEY HOLLINGSWORTH < rilepatholling@comcast.net> wrote:
Does anyone have any objection to resuming the appointment of OO's as needed, until the FCC meets with us on the new agreement? That will probably be within a few months, i.e., as soon as they get out the three major cases they are working on now in our service.
I recommend that we resume the appointments.
On April 5, 2018 at 2:16 PM "Roderick, Rick, K5UR via arrl-odv" < arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> wrote:
Hi gang:
I’ve appointed Riley Hollingsworth, K4ZDH, as Chair of the OO Program Study Committee to replace Brian who is rolling off. I’ve also appointed Bob Vallio to serve on the Committee.
I appreciate Riley stepping up to the plate to take the reins.
73 Rick – K5UR
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I wasn't going to make a decision unilaterally. I'll defer to the committee, but Jim Boehner needs to appoint some right now and I don't think he should have to wait.
On April 17, 2018 at 11:40 AM Christopher Imlay <w3kd.arrl@gmail.com> wrote:
Riley, I realize that the work of the OO Committee has taken far longer than it should have and that has been a source of frustration to the members of the OO Revitalization Committee (as I have been calling it), including Dan Henderson, me, and I dare say, you too. As can be seen from the Comments from ODV, on your suggestion, there is a great deal of frustration with the inordinate delay in launching the new program, all of it justified. This new program should have been in place a year ago, as I see it. That was FCC's anticipation as well.
However, restarting OO appointments under the old program now, when we have about 700 people on the rolls already (which everyone, including FCC agree is far too many) and a plan on the verge of execution to seriously reduce the aggregate number of OOs nationwide in the near term to a far lower number of vetted, trained OOs, creates very practical problems of volunteer management and expectations that stand to derail the entire revitalization plan and necessitate suspending OO appointments twice.
I hope that the OO Committee members can discuss this further before you make a decision to do this. I note also that the status of the OO Revitalization program is on the agenda for this weekend's EC meeting and that President Roderick has asked that you participate in that part of the meeting by telephone.
Could we bat this around before you make any decisions, either within the OO Revitalization Committee (which hasn't had a meeting since the Board meeting) or the EC this weekend?
73, Chris W3KD
On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 8:54 AM, RILEY HOLLINGSWORTH <rilepatholling@comcast.net mailto:rilepatholling@comcast.net > wrote:
> > Does anyone have any objection to resuming the appointment of OO's as needed, until the FCC meets with us on the new agreement? That will probably be within a few months, i.e., as soon as they get out the three major cases they are working on now in our service.
I recommend that we resume the appointments.
> > > On April 5, 2018 at 2:16 PM "Roderick, Rick, K5UR via arrl-odv" <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org > wrote:
Hi gang:
I’ve appointed Riley Hollingsworth, K4ZDH, as Chair of the OO Program Study Committee to replace Brian who is rolling off. I’ve also appointed Bob Vallio to serve on the Committee.
I appreciate Riley stepping up to the plate to take the reins.
73 Rick – K5UR
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Well I am thoroughly confused. Is the proposal to appoint new OOs to participate in the old program that neither Laura Smith or anyone else at FCC is using now? Will they be asked to work under the old provisions of the old training manual that is of no value any longer? If so, why? Or will these be new appointments for the newly revised program that hasn't been launched yet because, admittedly, the program is more than a year late getting started? For what term will these new appointees be asked to serve? It seems to me that to resume appointments under the old program does nothing at all to put in place a program that Laura Smith very much intends to use. It is not even a band-aid, because it is a regressive action. Sorry for being so dense here, but I don't see any benefit in going backwards here. The effort should be to start the new program immediately, and get new appointees in the new program. It is our program and if FCC doesn't want to offer their edits to our training manual or for an MOU that we can't enforce anyway, even if they sign it, why should we wait any longer? We have no expectation of any FCC enforcement actions based on the work of OOs under the old program. We do have an expectation and promises, at least from Laura and Dave Dombrowski, that if we revise the program as proposed, they will use the work product of the new OOs. To me, if action is called for now, then let's make it forward action, not a full retreat. Chris On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 1:33 PM, RILEY HOLLINGSWORTH < rilepatholling@comcast.net> wrote:
I wasn't going to make a decision unilaterally. I'll defer to the committee, but Jim Boehner needs to appoint some right now and I don't think he should have to wait.
On April 17, 2018 at 11:40 AM Christopher Imlay <w3kd.arrl@gmail.com> wrote:
Riley, I realize that the work of the OO Committee has taken far longer than it should have and that has been a source of frustration to the members of the OO Revitalization Committee (as I have been calling it), including Dan Henderson, me, and I dare say, you too. As can be seen from the Comments from ODV, on your suggestion, there is a great deal of frustration with the inordinate delay in launching the new program, *all of it justified*. This new program should have been in place a year ago, as I see it. That was FCC's anticipation as well.
However, restarting OO appointments under the old program now, when we have about 700 people on the rolls already (which everyone, including FCC agree is far too many) and a plan on the verge of execution to seriously reduce the aggregate number of OOs nationwide in the near term to a far lower number of vetted, trained OOs, creates very practical problems of volunteer management and expectations that stand to derail the entire revitalization plan and necessitate suspending OO appointments twice.
I hope that the OO Committee members can discuss this further before you make a decision to do this. I note also that the status of the OO Revitalization program is on the agenda for this weekend's EC meeting and that President Roderick has asked that you participate in that part of the meeting by telephone.
Could we bat this around before you make any decisions, either within the OO Revitalization Committee (which hasn't had a meeting since the Board meeting) or the EC this weekend?
73, Chris W3KD
On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 8:54 AM, RILEY HOLLINGSWORTH < rilepatholling@comcast.net> wrote:
Does anyone have any objection to resuming the appointment of OO's as needed, until the FCC meets with us on the new agreement? That will probably be within a few months, i.e., as soon as they get out the three major cases they are working on now in our service.
I recommend that we resume the appointments.
On April 5, 2018 at 2:16 PM "Roderick, Rick, K5UR via arrl-odv" < arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> wrote:
Hi gang:
I’ve appointed Riley Hollingsworth, K4ZDH, as Chair of the OO Program Study Committee to replace Brian who is rolling off. I’ve also appointed Bob Vallio to serve on the Committee.
I appreciate Riley stepping up to the plate to take the reins.
73 Rick – K5UR
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OK. This is like being in the Federal bureaucracy again. I'm done with this issue.... You guys decide. It was a simple request to ad some OO's with the understanding that the program was in transformation.
On April 17, 2018 at 2:02 PM Christopher Imlay <w3kd.arrl@gmail.com> wrote:
Well I am thoroughly confused. Is the proposal to appoint new OOs to participate in the old program that neither Laura Smith or anyone else at FCC is using now? Will they be asked to work under the old provisions of the old training manual that is of no value any longer? If so, why? Or will these be new appointments for the newly revised program that hasn't been launched yet because, admittedly, the program is more than a year late getting started? For what term will these new appointees be asked to serve? It seems to me that to resume appointments under the old program does nothing at all to put in place a program that Laura Smith very much intends to use. It is not even a band-aid, because it is a regressive action.
Sorry for being so dense here, but I don't see any benefit in going backwards here. The effort should be to start the new program immediately, and get new appointees in the new program. It is our program and if FCC doesn't want to offer their edits to our training manual or for an MOU that we can't enforce anyway, even if they sign it, why should we wait any longer? We have no expectation of any FCC enforcement actions based on the work of OOs under the old program. We do have an expectation and promises, at least from Laura and Dave Dombrowski, that if we revise the program as proposed, they will use the work product of the new OOs. To me, if action is called for now, then let's make it forward action, not a full retreat.
Chris
On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 1:33 PM, RILEY HOLLINGSWORTH <rilepatholling@comcast.net mailto:rilepatholling@comcast.net > wrote:
> > I wasn't going to make a decision unilaterally. I'll defer to the committee, but Jim Boehner needs to appoint some right now and I don't think he should have to wait.
> > > On April 17, 2018 at 11:40 AM Christopher Imlay <w3kd.arrl@gmail.com mailto:w3kd.arrl@gmail.com > wrote:
Riley, I realize that the work of the OO Committee has taken far longer than it should have and that has been a source of frustration to the members of the OO Revitalization Committee (as I have been calling it), including Dan Henderson, me, and I dare say, you too. As can be seen from the Comments from ODV, on your suggestion, there is a great deal of frustration with the inordinate delay in launching the new program, all of it justified. This new program should have been in place a year ago, as I see it. That was FCC's anticipation as well.
However, restarting OO appointments under the old program now, when we have about 700 people on the rolls already (which everyone, including FCC agree is far too many) and a plan on the verge of execution to seriously reduce the aggregate number of OOs nationwide in the near term to a far lower number of vetted, trained OOs, creates very practical problems of volunteer management and expectations that stand to derail the entire revitalization plan and necessitate suspending OO appointments twice.
I hope that the OO Committee members can discuss this further before you make a decision to do this. I note also that the status of the OO Revitalization program is on the agenda for this weekend's EC meeting and that President Roderick has asked that you participate in that part of the meeting by telephone.
Could we bat this around before you make any decisions, either within the OO Revitalization Committee (which hasn't had a meeting since the Board meeting) or the EC this weekend?
73, Chris W3KD
On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 8:54 AM, RILEY HOLLINGSWORTH <rilepatholling@comcast.net mailto:rilepatholling@comcast.net > wrote:
> > > > Does anyone have any objection to resuming the appointment of OO's as needed, until the FCC meets with us on the new agreement? That will probably be within a few months, i.e., as soon as they get out the three major cases they are working on now in our service.
I recommend that we resume the appointments.
> > > > > On April 5, 2018 at 2:16 PM "Roderick, Rick, K5UR via arrl-odv" <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org > wrote:
Hi gang:
I’ve appointed Riley Hollingsworth, K4ZDH, as Chair of the OO Program Study Committee to replace Brian who is rolling off. I’ve also appointed Bob Vallio to serve on the Committee.
I appreciate Riley stepping up to the plate to take the reins.
73 Rick – K5UR
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Correct "ad" to "add" in previous.
On April 17, 2018 at 2:02 PM Christopher Imlay <w3kd.arrl@gmail.com> wrote:
Well I am thoroughly confused. Is the proposal to appoint new OOs to participate in the old program that neither Laura Smith or anyone else at FCC is using now? Will they be asked to work under the old provisions of the old training manual that is of no value any longer? If so, why? Or will these be new appointments for the newly revised program that hasn't been launched yet because, admittedly, the program is more than a year late getting started? For what term will these new appointees be asked to serve? It seems to me that to resume appointments under the old program does nothing at all to put in place a program that Laura Smith very much intends to use. It is not even a band-aid, because it is a regressive action.
Sorry for being so dense here, but I don't see any benefit in going backwards here. The effort should be to start the new program immediately, and get new appointees in the new program. It is our program and if FCC doesn't want to offer their edits to our training manual or for an MOU that we can't enforce anyway, even if they sign it, why should we wait any longer? We have no expectation of any FCC enforcement actions based on the work of OOs under the old program. We do have an expectation and promises, at least from Laura and Dave Dombrowski, that if we revise the program as proposed, they will use the work product of the new OOs. To me, if action is called for now, then let's make it forward action, not a full retreat.
Chris
On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 1:33 PM, RILEY HOLLINGSWORTH <rilepatholling@comcast.net mailto:rilepatholling@comcast.net > wrote:
> > I wasn't going to make a decision unilaterally. I'll defer to the committee, but Jim Boehner needs to appoint some right now and I don't think he should have to wait.
> > > On April 17, 2018 at 11:40 AM Christopher Imlay <w3kd.arrl@gmail.com mailto:w3kd.arrl@gmail.com > wrote:
Riley, I realize that the work of the OO Committee has taken far longer than it should have and that has been a source of frustration to the members of the OO Revitalization Committee (as I have been calling it), including Dan Henderson, me, and I dare say, you too. As can be seen from the Comments from ODV, on your suggestion, there is a great deal of frustration with the inordinate delay in launching the new program, all of it justified. This new program should have been in place a year ago, as I see it. That was FCC's anticipation as well.
However, restarting OO appointments under the old program now, when we have about 700 people on the rolls already (which everyone, including FCC agree is far too many) and a plan on the verge of execution to seriously reduce the aggregate number of OOs nationwide in the near term to a far lower number of vetted, trained OOs, creates very practical problems of volunteer management and expectations that stand to derail the entire revitalization plan and necessitate suspending OO appointments twice.
I hope that the OO Committee members can discuss this further before you make a decision to do this. I note also that the status of the OO Revitalization program is on the agenda for this weekend's EC meeting and that President Roderick has asked that you participate in that part of the meeting by telephone.
Could we bat this around before you make any decisions, either within the OO Revitalization Committee (which hasn't had a meeting since the Board meeting) or the EC this weekend?
73, Chris W3KD
On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 8:54 AM, RILEY HOLLINGSWORTH <rilepatholling@comcast.net mailto:rilepatholling@comcast.net > wrote:
> > > > Does anyone have any objection to resuming the appointment of OO's as needed, until the FCC meets with us on the new agreement? That will probably be within a few months, i.e., as soon as they get out the three major cases they are working on now in our service.
I recommend that we resume the appointments.
> > > > > On April 5, 2018 at 2:16 PM "Roderick, Rick, K5UR via arrl-odv" <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org > wrote:
Hi gang:
I’ve appointed Riley Hollingsworth, K4ZDH, as Chair of the OO Program Study Committee to replace Brian who is rolling off. I’ve also appointed Bob Vallio to serve on the Committee.
I appreciate Riley stepping up to the plate to take the reins.
73 Rick – K5UR
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Chris' last paragraph resonates with me. If our revamped OO plan's major points are verbally OK with Laura Smith and Dave Dombrowski and the FCC has had the document for about a year with no response, I think we should go ahead and roll it out and proceed to implement. We can always tweak the document later on as required. Let's not draw a "delay of game" penalty when we are this close to the goal line. BTW - the letter to the editor in this month's QST is from one of my assistant directors re; the idiots on 7200 kHz. The revamped OO program can help stem this problem. Rod, K0DAS On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 1:02 PM, Christopher Imlay <w3kd.arrl@gmail.com> wrote:
Well I am thoroughly confused. Is the proposal to appoint new OOs to participate in the old program that neither Laura Smith or anyone else at FCC is using now? Will they be asked to work under the old provisions of the old training manual that is of no value any longer? If so, why? Or will these be new appointments for the newly revised program that hasn't been launched yet because, admittedly, the program is more than a year late getting started? For what term will these new appointees be asked to serve? It seems to me that to resume appointments under the old program does nothing at all to put in place a program that Laura Smith very much intends to use. It is not even a band-aid, because it is a regressive action.
Sorry for being so dense here, but I don't see any benefit in going backwards here. The effort should be to start the new program immediately, and get new appointees in the new program. It is our program and if FCC doesn't want to offer their edits to our training manual or for an MOU that we can't enforce anyway, even if they sign it, why should we wait any longer? We have no expectation of any FCC enforcement actions based on the work of OOs under the old program. We do have an expectation and promises, at least from Laura and Dave Dombrowski, that if we revise the program as proposed, they will use the work product of the new OOs. To me, if action is called for now, then let's make it forward action, not a full retreat.
Chris
On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 1:33 PM, RILEY HOLLINGSWORTH < rilepatholling@comcast.net> wrote:
I wasn't going to make a decision unilaterally. I'll defer to the committee, but Jim Boehner needs to appoint some right now and I don't think he should have to wait.
On April 17, 2018 at 11:40 AM Christopher Imlay <w3kd.arrl@gmail.com> wrote:
Riley, I realize that the work of the OO Committee has taken far longer than it should have and that has been a source of frustration to the members of the OO Revitalization Committee (as I have been calling it), including Dan Henderson, me, and I dare say, you too. As can be seen from the Comments from ODV, on your suggestion, there is a great deal of frustration with the inordinate delay in launching the new program, *all of it justified*. This new program should have been in place a year ago, as I see it. That was FCC's anticipation as well.
However, restarting OO appointments under the old program now, when we have about 700 people on the rolls already (which everyone, including FCC agree is far too many) and a plan on the verge of execution to seriously reduce the aggregate number of OOs nationwide in the near term to a far lower number of vetted, trained OOs, creates very practical problems of volunteer management and expectations that stand to derail the entire revitalization plan and necessitate suspending OO appointments twice.
I hope that the OO Committee members can discuss this further before you make a decision to do this. I note also that the status of the OO Revitalization program is on the agenda for this weekend's EC meeting and that President Roderick has asked that you participate in that part of the meeting by telephone.
Could we bat this around before you make any decisions, either within the OO Revitalization Committee (which hasn't had a meeting since the Board meeting) or the EC this weekend?
73, Chris W3KD
On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 8:54 AM, RILEY HOLLINGSWORTH < rilepatholling@comcast.net> wrote:
Does anyone have any objection to resuming the appointment of OO's as needed, until the FCC meets with us on the new agreement? That will probably be within a few months, i.e., as soon as they get out the three major cases they are working on now in our service.
I recommend that we resume the appointments.
On April 5, 2018 at 2:16 PM "Roderick, Rick, K5UR via arrl-odv" < arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> wrote:
Hi gang:
I’ve appointed Riley Hollingsworth, K4ZDH, as Chair of the OO Program Study Committee to replace Brian who is rolling off. I’ve also appointed Bob Vallio to serve on the Committee.
I appreciate Riley stepping up to the plate to take the reins.
73 Rick – K5UR
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I think we need to move on this pronto. Riley, as soon as you check with your team, assuming they agree, then let's turn the field loose on the appointments. Further, I think Brain sent the email out to the SM's last year, maybe the OO/OOC's, too. I don't recall for sure. I think it would be good for the field to see Riley's name on the next one. Seems that would be a shot in the arm to the OO/OOC corp to see Riley Hollingsworth's name. But, we have to be careful in managing unrealistic expectations as we still have the same problems with FCC. Riley, I talked to Barry and he and his team will help you and the OO Study Comm to craft a message. 73 Rick - K5UR ... -----Original Message----- From: RILEY HOLLINGSWORTH <rilepatholling@comcast.net> To: Christopher Imlay <w3kd.arrl@gmail.com> Cc: Roderick, Rick, K5UR via arrl-odv, K5UR via arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> Sent: Tue, Apr 17, 2018 12:33 pm Subject: [arrl-odv:27178] Re: OO Program Study Committee I wasn't going to make a decision unilaterally. I'll defer to the committee, but Jim Boehner needs to appoint some right now and I don't think he should have to wait. On April 17, 2018 at 11:40 AM Christopher Imlay <w3kd.arrl@gmail.com> wrote: Riley, I realize that the work of the OO Committee has taken far longer than it should have and that has been a source of frustration to the members of the OO Revitalization Committee (as I have been calling it), including Dan Henderson, me, and I dare say, you too. As can be seen from the Comments from ODV, on your suggestion, there is a great deal of frustration with the inordinate delay in launching the new program, all of it justified. This new program should have been in place a year ago, as I see it. That was FCC's anticipation as well. However, restarting OO appointments under the old program now, when we have about 700 people on the rolls already (which everyone, including FCC agree is far too many) and a plan on the verge of execution to seriously reduce the aggregate number of OOs nationwide in the near term to a far lower number of vetted, trained OOs, creates very practical problems of volunteer management and expectations that stand to derail the entire revitalization plan and necessitate suspending OO appointments twice. I hope that the OO Committee members can discuss this further before you make a decision to do this. I note also that the status of the OO Revitalization program is on the agenda for this weekend's EC meeting and that President Roderick has asked that you participate in that part of the meeting by telephone. Could we bat this around before you make any decisions, either within the OO Revitalization Committee (which hasn't had a meeting since the Board meeting) or the EC this weekend? 73, Chris W3KD On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 8:54 AM, RILEY HOLLINGSWORTH <rilepatholling@comcast.net> wrote: Does anyone have any objection to resuming the appointment of OO's as needed, until the FCC meets with us on the new agreement? That will probably be within a few months, i.e., as soon as they get out the three major cases they are working on now in our service. I recommend that we resume the appointments. On April 5, 2018 at 2:16 PM "Roderick, Rick, K5UR via arrl-odv" <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> wrote: Hi gang: I’ve appointed Riley Hollingsworth, K4ZDH, as Chair of the OOProgram Study Committee to replace Brian who is rolling off. I’ve alsoappointed Bob Vallio to serve on the Committee. I appreciate Riley stepping up to the plate to take thereins. 73 Rick – K5UR ... _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv -- Christopher D. Imlay Booth, Freret & Imlay, LLC 14356 Cape May Road Silver Spring, Maryland 20904-6011 (301) 384-5525 telephone (301) 384-6384 facsimile W3KD@ARRL.ORG _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv
I am wondering what the urgency is to move immediately on the recommendation -- that the OO Committee has never discussed -- to resume new appointments to the old OO program that we are in the process of abandoning. I note in passing that the Board apparently has never been given the Final Report of the Committee that Brian Mileshosky prepared last February and which the Committee edited at his request. Is there some reason to implement this new idea prior to this Saturday's EC meeting, at which the topic is and has for quite some time been on the agenda? 73, Chris W3KD On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 2:06 PM, <k5ur@aol.com> wrote:
I think we need to move on this pronto. Riley, as soon as you check with your team, assuming they agree, then let's turn the field loose on the appointments.
Further, I think Brain sent the email out to the SM's last year, maybe the OO/OOC's, too. I don't recall for sure. I think it would be good for the field to see Riley's name on the next one. Seems that would be a shot in the arm to the OO/OOC corp to see Riley Hollingsworth's name. But, we have to be careful in managing unrealistic expectations as we still have the same problems with FCC.
Riley, I talked to Barry and he and his team will help you and the OO Study Comm to craft a message.
73 Rick - K5UR ...
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I wasn't going to make a decision unilaterally. I'll defer to the committee, but Jim Boehner needs to appoint some right now and I don't think he should have to wait.
On April 17, 2018 at 11:40 AM Christopher Imlay <w3kd.arrl@gmail.com> wrote:
Riley, I realize that the work of the OO Committee has taken far longer than it should have and that has been a source of frustration to the members of the OO Revitalization Committee (as I have been calling it), including Dan Henderson, me, and I dare say, you too. As can be seen from the Comments from ODV, on your suggestion, there is a great deal of frustration with the inordinate delay in launching the new program, *all of it justified*. This new program should have been in place a year ago, as I see it. That was FCC's anticipation as well.
However, restarting OO appointments under the old program now, when we have about 700 people on the rolls already (which everyone, including FCC agree is far too many) and a plan on the verge of execution to seriously reduce the aggregate number of OOs nationwide in the near term to a far lower number of vetted, trained OOs, creates very practical problems of volunteer management and expectations that stand to derail the entire revitalization plan and necessitate suspending OO appointments twice.
I hope that the OO Committee members can discuss this further before you make a decision to do this. I note also that the status of the OO Revitalization program is on the agenda for this weekend's EC meeting and that President Roderick has asked that you participate in that part of the meeting by telephone.
Could we bat this around before you make any decisions, either within the OO Revitalization Committee (which hasn't had a meeting since the Board meeting) or the EC this weekend?
73, Chris W3KD
On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 8:54 AM, RILEY HOLLINGSWORTH < rilepatholling@comcast.net> wrote:
Does anyone have any objection to resuming the appointment of OO's as needed, until the FCC meets with us on the new agreement? That will probably be within a few months, i.e., as soon as they get out the three major cases they are working on now in our service.
I recommend that we resume the appointments.
On April 5, 2018 at 2:16 PM "Roderick, Rick, K5UR via arrl-odv" < arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> wrote:
Hi gang:
I’ve appointed Riley Hollingsworth, K4ZDH, as Chair of the OO Program Study Committee to replace Brian who is rolling off. I’ve also appointed Bob Vallio to serve on the Committee.
I appreciate Riley stepping up to the plate to take the reins.
73 Rick – K5UR
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Hello Rick, Riley et al; I think it is time to start accepting new OOC's and OO's with the understandingthat the program is in transition. The emphasis should be on OOC's since we have had a significant amount of OOC applications from Section Managers that are now over two years old since the hold was put into place - and the SM's could really use the help. One other slightly related issue is that at one point the PSWEG or someonehad mentioned that the SM community would be contacted for input - I have taken some heatjust recently that it appears that the SM's were not contacted. Either that or only a sampling wascontacted....can someone let me know which. On a related topic - there has been some comments about the Boardabandoning the NTS with no action..... we need to get the OO/OOC program back online,tackle the NTS issue and move on. If we do get a re-tooling of the FCC Auxillary functionthat would be perfect, but we need to stop doing nothing. 73, Kermit W9XA On Tuesday, April 17, 2018, 1:06:51 PM CDT, Roderick, Rick, K5UR via arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> wrote: I think we need to move on this pronto. Riley, as soon as you check with your team, assuming they agree, then let's turn the field loose on the appointments. Further, I think Brain sent the email out to the SM's last year, maybe the OO/OOC's, too. I don't recall for sure. I think it would be good for the field to see Riley's name on the next one. Seems that would be a shot in the arm to the OO/OOC corp to see Riley Hollingsworth's name. But, we have to be careful in managing unrealistic expectations as we still have the same problems with FCC. Riley, I talked to Barry and he and his team will help you and the OO Study Comm to craft a message. 73Rick - K5UR ... -----Original Message----- From: RILEY HOLLINGSWORTH <rilepatholling@comcast.net> To: Christopher Imlay <w3kd.arrl@gmail.com> Cc: Roderick, Rick, K5UR via arrl-odv, K5UR via arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> Sent: Tue, Apr 17, 2018 12:33 pm Subject: [arrl-odv:27178] Re: OO Program Study Committee I wasn't going to make a decision unilaterally. I'll defer to the committee, but Jim Boehner needs to appoint some right now and I don't think he should have to wait. On April 17, 2018 at 11:40 AM Christopher Imlay <w3kd.arrl@gmail.com> wrote: Riley, I realize that the work of the OO Committee has taken far longer than it should have and that has been a source of frustration to the members of the OO Revitalization Committee (as I have been calling it), including Dan Henderson, me, and I dare say, you too. As can be seen from the Comments from ODV, on your suggestion, there is a great deal of frustration with the inordinate delay in launching the new program, all of it justified. This new program should have been in place a year ago, as I see it. That was FCC's anticipation as well. However, restarting OO appointments under the old program now, when we have about 700 people on the rolls already (which everyone, including FCC agree is far too many) and a plan on the verge of execution to seriously reduce the aggregate number of OOs nationwide in the near term to a far lower number of vetted, trained OOs, creates very practical problems of volunteer management and expectations that stand to derail the entire revitalization plan and necessitate suspending OO appointments twice. I hope that the OO Committee members can discuss this further before you make a decision to do this. I note also that the status of the OO Revitalization program is on the agenda for this weekend's EC meeting and that President Roderick has asked that you participate in that part of the meeting by telephone. Could we bat this around before you make any decisions, either within the OO Revitalization Committee (which hasn't had a meeting since the Board meeting) or the EC this weekend? 73, Chris W3KD On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 8:54 AM, RILEY HOLLINGSWORTH <rilepatholling@comcast.net> wrote: Does anyone have any objection to resuming the appointment of OO's as needed, until the FCC meets with us on the new agreement? That will probably be within a few months, i.e., as soon as they get out the three major cases they are working on now in our service. I recommend that we resume the appointments. On April 5, 2018 at 2:16 PM "Roderick, Rick, K5UR via arrl-odv" <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> wrote: Hi gang: I’ve appointed Riley Hollingsworth, K4ZDH, as Chair of the OOProgram Study Committee to replace Brian who is rolling off. I’ve alsoappointed Bob Vallio to serve on the Committee. I appreciate Riley stepping up to the plate to take thereins. 73Rick – K5UR ...______________________________ _________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org https://reflector.arrl.org/ mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv ______________________________ _________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org https://reflector.arrl.org/ mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv -- Christopher D. 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Yes--it was a sampling. Brian called a group and I did as well. I think I called 8 or so. But we should have indicated it was a sampling.
On April 17, 2018 at 3:41 PM Kermit Carlson <w9xa@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hello Rick, Riley et al;
I think it is time to start accepting new OOC's and OO's with the understanding that the program is in transition. The emphasis should be on OOC's since we have had a significant amount of OOC applications from Section Managers that are now over two years old since the hold was put into place - and the SM's could really use the help.
One other slightly related issue is that at one point the PSWEG or someone had mentioned that the SM community would be contacted for input - I have taken some heat just recently that it appears that the SM's were not contacted. Either that or only a sampling was contacted....can someone let me know which.
On a related topic - there has been some comments about the Board abandoning the NTS with no action..... we need to get the OO/OOC program back online, tackle the NTS issue and move on. If we do get a re-tooling of the FCC Auxillary function that would be perfect, but we need to stop doing nothing.
73, Kermit W9XA
On Tuesday, April 17, 2018, 1:06:51 PM CDT, Roderick, Rick, K5UR via arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> wrote:
I think we need to move on this pronto. Riley, as soon as you check with your team, assuming they agree, then let's turn the field loose on the appointments.
Further, I think Brain sent the email out to the SM's last year, maybe the OO/OOC's, too. I don't recall for sure. I think it would be good for the field to see Riley's name on the next one. Seems that would be a shot in the arm to the OO/OOC corp to see Riley Hollingsworth's name. But, we have to be careful in managing unrealistic expectations as we still have the same problems with FCC.
Riley, I talked to Barry and he and his team will help you and the OO Study Comm to craft a message.
73 Rick - K5UR ...
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I wasn't going to make a decision unilaterally. I'll defer to the committee, but Jim Boehner needs to appoint some right now and I don't think he should have to wait.
> > On April 17, 2018 at 11:40 AM Christopher Imlay <w3kd.arrl@gmail.com mailto:w3kd.arrl@gmail.com > wrote:
Riley, I realize that the work of the OO Committee has taken far longer than it should have and that has been a source of frustration to the members of the OO Revitalization Committee (as I have been calling it), including Dan Henderson, me, and I dare say, you too. As can be seen from the Comments from ODV, on your suggestion, there is a great deal of frustration with the inordinate delay in launching the new program, all of it justified. This new program should have been in place a year ago, as I see it. That was FCC's anticipation as well.
However, restarting OO appointments under the old program now, when we have about 700 people on the rolls already (which everyone, including FCC agree is far too many) and a plan on the verge of execution to seriously reduce the aggregate number of OOs nationwide in the near term to a far lower number of vetted, trained OOs, creates very practical problems of volunteer management and expectations that stand to derail the entire revitalization plan and necessitate suspending OO appointments twice.
I hope that the OO Committee members can discuss this further before you make a decision to do this. I note also that the status of the OO Revitalization program is on the agenda for this weekend's EC meeting and that President Roderick has asked that you participate in that part of the meeting by telephone.
Could we bat this around before you make any decisions, either within the OO Revitalization Committee (which hasn't had a meeting since the Board meeting) or the EC this weekend?
73, Chris W3KD
On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 8:54 AM, RILEY HOLLINGSWORTH <rilepatholling@comcast.net mailto:rilepatholling@comcast.net > wrote:
> > > Does anyone have any objection to resuming the appointment of OO's as needed, until the FCC meets with us on the new agreement? That will probably be within a few months, i.e., as soon as they get out the three major cases they are working on now in our service.
I recommend that we resume the appointments.
> > > > On April 5, 2018 at 2:16 PM "Roderick, Rick, K5UR via arrl-odv" <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org > wrote:
Hi gang:
I’ve appointed Riley Hollingsworth, K4ZDH, as Chair of the OO Program Study Committee to replace Brian who is rolling off. I’ve also appointed Bob Vallio to serve on the Committee.
I appreciate Riley stepping up to the plate to take the reins.
73 Rick – K5UR
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Hello Riley - Thank you, explaining that it was a sampling would quell the complaint from SM's that "nobody asked me". 73, Kermit On Friday, April 20, 2018, 6:55:50 AM CDT, RILEY HOLLINGSWORTH <rilepatholling@comcast.net> wrote: Yes--it was a sampling. Brian called a group and I did as well. I think I called 8 or so. But we should have indicated it was a sampling. On April 17, 2018 at 3:41 PM Kermit Carlson <w9xa@yahoo.com> wrote: Hello Rick, Riley et al; I think it is time to start accepting new OOC's and OO's with the understandingthat the program is in transition. The emphasis should be on OOC's since we have had a significant amount of OOC applications from Section Managers that are now over two years old since the hold was put into place - and the SM's could really use the help. One other slightly related issue is that at one point the PSWEG or someonehad mentioned that the SM community would be contacted for input - I have taken some heatjust recently that it appears that the SM's were not contacted. Either that or only a sampling wascontacted....can someone let me know which. On a related topic - there has been some comments about the Boardabandoning the NTS with no action..... we need to get the OO/OOC program back online,tackle the NTS issue and move on. If we do get a re-tooling of the FCC Auxillary functionthat would be perfect, but we need to stop doing nothing. 73, Kermit W9XA On Tuesday, April 17, 2018, 1:06:51 PM CDT, Roderick, Rick, K5UR via arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> wrote: I think we need to move on this pronto. Riley, as soon as you check with your team, assuming they agree, then let's turn the field loose on the appointments. Further, I think Brain sent the email out to the SM's last year, maybe the OO/OOC's, too. I don't recall for sure. I think it would be good for the field to see Riley's name on the next one. Seems that would be a shot in the arm to the OO/OOC corp to see Riley Hollingsworth's name. But, we have to be careful in managing unrealistic expectations as we still have the same problems with FCC. Riley, I talked to Barry and he and his team will help you and the OO Study Comm to craft a message. 73Rick - K5UR ... -----Original Message----- From: RILEY HOLLINGSWORTH <rilepatholling@comcast.net> To: Christopher Imlay <w3kd.arrl@gmail.com> Cc: Roderick, Rick, K5UR via arrl-odv, K5UR via arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> Sent: Tue, Apr 17, 2018 12:33 pm Subject: [arrl-odv:27178] Re: OO Program Study Committee I wasn't going to make a decision unilaterally. I'll defer to the committee, but Jim Boehner needs to appoint some right now and I don't think he should have to wait. On April 17, 2018 at 11:40 AM Christopher Imlay <w3kd.arrl@gmail.com> wrote: Riley, I realize that the work of the OO Committee has taken far longer than it should have and that has been a source of frustration to the members of the OO Revitalization Committee (as I have been calling it), including Dan Henderson, me, and I dare say, you too. As can be seen from the Comments from ODV, on your suggestion, there is a great deal of frustration with the inordinate delay in launching the new program, all of it justified. This new program should have been in place a year ago, as I see it. That was FCC's anticipation as well. However, restarting OO appointments under the old program now, when we have about 700 people on the rolls already (which everyone, including FCC agree is far too many) and a plan on the verge of execution to seriously reduce the aggregate number of OOs nationwide in the near term to a far lower number of vetted, trained OOs, creates very practical problems of volunteer management and expectations that stand to derail the entire revitalization plan and necessitate suspending OO appointments twice. I hope that the OO Committee members can discuss this further before you make a decision to do this. I note also that the status of the OO Revitalization program is on the agenda for this weekend's EC meeting and that President Roderick has asked that you participate in that part of the meeting by telephone. Could we bat this around before you make any decisions, either within the OO Revitalization Committee (which hasn't had a meeting since the Board meeting) or the EC this weekend? 73, Chris W3KD On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 8:54 AM, RILEY HOLLINGSWORTH <rilepatholling@comcast.net> wrote: Does anyone have any objection to resuming the appointment of OO's as needed, until the FCC meets with us on the new agreement? That will probably be within a few months, i.e., as soon as they get out the three major cases they are working on now in our service. I recommend that we resume the appointments. On April 5, 2018 at 2:16 PM "Roderick, Rick, K5UR via arrl-odv" <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> wrote: Hi gang: I’ve appointed Riley Hollingsworth, K4ZDH, as Chair of the OOProgram Study Committee to replace Brian who is rolling off. I’ve alsoappointed Bob Vallio to serve on the Committee. I appreciate Riley stepping up to the plate to take thereins. 73Rick – K5UR ...______________________________ _________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org https://reflector.arrl.org/ mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv ______________________________ _________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org https://reflector.arrl.org/ mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv -- Christopher D. 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Yes indeed. Thank you
On April 20, 2018 at 2:48 PM Kermit Carlson <w9xa@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hello Riley -
Thank you, explaining that it was a sampling would quell the complaint from SM's that "nobody asked me".
73, Kermit
On Friday, April 20, 2018, 6:55:50 AM CDT, RILEY HOLLINGSWORTH <rilepatholling@comcast.net> wrote:
Yes--it was a sampling. Brian called a group and I did as well. I think I called 8 or so. But we should have indicated it was a sampling.
> > On April 17, 2018 at 3:41 PM Kermit Carlson <w9xa@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hello Rick, Riley et al;
I think it is time to start accepting new OOC's and OO's with the understanding that the program is in transition. The emphasis should be on OOC's since we have had a significant amount of OOC applications from Section Managers that are now over two years old since the hold was put into place - and the SM's could really use the help.
One other slightly related issue is that at one point the PSWEG or someone had mentioned that the SM community would be contacted for input - I have taken some heat just recently that it appears that the SM's were not contacted. Either that or only a sampling was contacted....can someone let me know which.
On a related topic - there has been some comments about the Board abandoning the NTS with no action..... we need to get the OO/OOC program back online, tackle the NTS issue and move on. If we do get a re-tooling of the FCC Auxillary function that would be perfect, but we need to stop doing nothing.
73, Kermit W9XA
On Tuesday, April 17, 2018, 1:06:51 PM CDT, Roderick, Rick, K5UR via arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> wrote:
I think we need to move on this pronto. Riley, as soon as you check with your team, assuming they agree, then let's turn the field loose on the appointments.
Further, I think Brain sent the email out to the SM's last year, maybe the OO/OOC's, too. I don't recall for sure. I think it would be good for the field to see Riley's name on the next one. Seems that would be a shot in the arm to the OO/OOC corp to see Riley Hollingsworth's name. But, we have to be careful in managing unrealistic expectations as we still have the same problems with FCC.
Riley, I talked to Barry and he and his team will help you and the OO Study Comm to craft a message.
73 Rick - K5UR ...
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I wasn't going to make a decision unilaterally. I'll defer to the committee, but Jim Boehner needs to appoint some right now and I don't think he should have to wait.
> > > On April 17, 2018 at 11:40 AM Christopher Imlay <w3kd.arrl@gmail.com mailto:w3kd.arrl@gmail.com > wrote:
Riley, I realize that the work of the OO Committee has taken far longer than it should have and that has been a source of frustration to the members of the OO Revitalization Committee (as I have been calling it), including Dan Henderson, me, and I dare say, you too. As can be seen from the Comments from ODV, on your suggestion, there is a great deal of frustration with the inordinate delay in launching the new program, all of it justified. This new program should have been in place a year ago, as I see it. That was FCC's anticipation as well.
However, restarting OO appointments under the old program now, when we have about 700 people on the rolls already (which everyone, including FCC agree is far too many) and a plan on the verge of execution to seriously reduce the aggregate number of OOs nationwide in the near term to a far lower number of vetted, trained OOs, creates very practical problems of volunteer management and expectations that stand to derail the entire revitalization plan and necessitate suspending OO appointments twice.
I hope that the OO Committee members can discuss this further before you make a decision to do this. I note also that the status of the OO Revitalization program is on the agenda for this weekend's EC meeting and that President Roderick has asked that you participate in that part of the meeting by telephone.
Could we bat this around before you make any decisions, either within the OO Revitalization Committee (which hasn't had a meeting since the Board meeting) or the EC this weekend?
73, Chris W3KD
On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 8:54 AM, RILEY HOLLINGSWORTH <rilepatholling@comcast.net mailto:rilepatholling@comcast.net > wrote:
> > > > Does anyone have any objection to resuming the appointment of OO's as needed, until the FCC meets with us on the new agreement? That will probably be within a few months, i.e., as soon as they get out the three major cases they are working on now in our service.
I recommend that we resume the appointments.
> > > > > On April 5, 2018 at 2:16 PM "Roderick, Rick, K5UR via arrl-odv" <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org > wrote:
Hi gang:
I’ve appointed Riley Hollingsworth, K4ZDH, as Chair of the OO Program Study Committee to replace Brian who is rolling off. I’ve also appointed Bob Vallio to serve on the Committee.
I appreciate Riley stepping up to the plate to take the reins.
73 Rick – K5UR
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Please, let's get on with the appointments. This has been delayed far too long. 73, Dale WA8EFK -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: [arrl-odv:27169] Re: OO Program Study Committee Resent-From: wa8efk@arrl.org Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2018 08:54:24 -0400 From: RILEY HOLLINGSWORTH <rilepatholling@comcast.net> Reply-To: RILEY HOLLINGSWORTH <rilepatholling@comcast.net> To: Roderick, Rick, K5UR via arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org>, k5ur@aol.com Does anyone have any objection to resuming the appointment of OO's as needed, until the FCC meets with us on the new agreement? That will probably be within a few months, i.e., as soon as they get out the three major cases they are working on now in our service. I recommend that we resume the appointments.
On April 5, 2018 at 2:16 PM "Roderick, Rick, K5UR via arrl-odv" <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> wrote:
Hi gang:
I’ve appointed Riley Hollingsworth, K4ZDH, as Chair of the OO Program Study Committee to replace Brian who is rolling off. I’ve also appointed Bob Vallio to serve on the Committee.
I appreciate Riley stepping up to the plate to take the reins. 73 Rick – K5UR
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All, I agree that we should be moving forward. It is time to support the work this committee has done. Let's get off dead center. 73 Dwayne Allen, WY7FD ARRL Director Rocky Mountain Division From: RILEY HOLLINGSWORTH Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 06:54 Subject: [arrl-odv:27169] Re: OO Program Study Committee To: Roderick, Rick, K5UR via arrl-odv, k5ur@aol.com Does anyone have any objection to resuming the appointment of OO's as needed, until the FCC meets with us on the new agreement? That will probably be within a few months, i.e., as soon as they get out the three major cases they are working on now in our service. I recommend that we resume the appointments. On April 5, 2018 at 2:16 PM "Roderick, Rick, K5UR via arrl-odv" <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> wrote: Hi gang: I’ve appointed Riley Hollingsworth, K4ZDH, as Chair of the OO Program Study Committee to replace Brian who is rolling off. I’ve also appointed Bob Vallio to serve on the Committee. I appreciate Riley stepping up to the plate to take the reins. 73 Rick – K5UR ... _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv
Do you want to move forward, or backward, Dwayne? That is the question. 73, Chris W3KD On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 11:19 AM, Dwayne Allen, WY7FD <dwayne@wy7fd.com> wrote:
All,
I agree that we should be moving forward. It is time to support the work this committee has done. Let's get off dead center.
73 Dwayne Allen, WY7FD ARRL Director Rocky Mountain Division
From: RILEY HOLLINGSWORTH Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 06:54 Subject: [arrl-odv:27169] Re: OO Program Study Committee To: Roderick, Rick, K5UR via arrl-odv, k5ur@aol.com
Does anyone have any objection to resuming the appointment of OO's as needed, until the FCC meets with us on the new agreement? That will probably be within a few months, i.e., as soon as they get out the three major cases they are working on now in our service.
I recommend that we resume the appointments.
On April 5, 2018 at 2:16 PM "Roderick, Rick, K5UR via arrl-odv" < arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> wrote:
Hi gang:
I’ve appointed Riley Hollingsworth, K4ZDH, as Chair of the OO Program Study Committee to replace Brian who is rolling off. I’ve also appointed Bob Vallio to serve on the Committee.
I appreciate Riley stepping up to the plate to take the reins.
73 Rick – K5UR
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With all due respect, I haven't run across anyone in this organization that wants to move backwards. Could I get an explanation, in 50 words or less, of what HARM it would do to fill in a few gaps until we work out the road map with FCC?
On April 20, 2018 at 11:22 AM Christopher Imlay <w3kd.arrl@gmail.com> wrote:
Do you want to move forward, or backward, Dwayne? That is the question.
73, Chris W3KD
On Fri, Apr 20, 2018 at 11:19 AM, Dwayne Allen, WY7FD <dwayne@wy7fd.com mailto:dwayne@wy7fd.com > wrote:
> > All,
I agree that we should be moving forward. It is time to support the work this committee has done. Let's get off dead center.
73 Dwayne Allen, WY7FD ARRL Director Rocky Mountain Division
From: RILEY HOLLINGSWORTH Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 06:54 Subject: [arrl-odv:27169] Re: OO Program Study Committee To: Roderick, Rick, K5UR via arrl-odv, k5ur@aol.com mailto:k5ur@aol.com
Does anyone have any objection to resuming the appointment of OO's as needed, until the FCC meets with us on the new agreement? That will probably be within a few months, i.e., as soon as they get out the three major cases they are working on now in our service.
I recommend that we resume the appointments.
> > > On April 5, 2018 at 2:16 PM "Roderick, Rick, K5UR via arrl-odv" <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org > wrote:
Hi gang:
I’ve appointed Riley Hollingsworth, K4ZDH, as Chair of the OO Program Study Committee to replace Brian who is rolling off. I’ve also appointed Bob Vallio to serve on the Committee.
I appreciate Riley stepping up to the plate to take the reins.
73 Rick – K5UR
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All, I agree with my brother Marine- it’s time to get unstuck on this OO business and support the committee and their work. Let’s get this done ladies and gents. Does the Committee need anything from us? 73 David A. Norris, K5UZ Director, Delta Division Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 20, 2018, at 11:19 AM, Dwayne Allen, WY7FD <dwayne@wy7fd.com> wrote:
All,
I agree that we should be moving forward. It is time to support the work this committee has done. Let's get off dead center.
73 Dwayne Allen, WY7FD ARRL Director Rocky Mountain Division
From: RILEY HOLLINGSWORTH Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 06:54 Subject: [arrl-odv:27169] Re: OO Program Study Committee To: Roderick, Rick, K5UR via arrl-odv, k5ur@aol.com
Does anyone have any objection to resuming the appointment of OO's as needed, until the FCC meets with us on the new agreement? That will probably be within a few months, i.e., as soon as they get out the three major cases they are working on now in our service.
I recommend that we resume the appointments.
On April 5, 2018 at 2:16 PM "Roderick, Rick, K5UR via arrl-odv" <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> wrote:
Hi gang:
I’ve appointed Riley Hollingsworth, K4ZDH, as Chair of the OO Program Study Committee to replace Brian who is rolling off. I’ve also appointed Bob Vallio to serve on the Committee.
I appreciate Riley stepping up to the plate to take the reins.
73 Rick – K5UR
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Christopher Imlay -
Dale Williams -
David Norris -
Dwayne Allen, WY7FD -
G Widin -
James F. Boehner MD -
k5ur＠aol.com -
Kermit Carlson -
Mike Lisenco N2YBB -
Northwestern Division Director -
RILEY HOLLINGSWORTH -
Rod Blocksome