[arrl-odv:32900] Fwd: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS
TL;DR - person claims Comcast (Xfinity) came and shut off their internet because they were supposedly causing interference to the cable system. If true this may be a bad precedent set. But it seems rather vindictive since cutting off internet service won’t solve the interference issues. My cable company when they were Service Electric had their upstream in the 15 meter band back when it was DOCSIS 2.0. They didn’t experience interference and neither did I. Altice USA has since bought them out. Is the lab on this already? I don’t know if Kristen is on this as yet. I’m forwarding this since one of my members here in NNJ seemed concerned. Thanks Ria N2RJ ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Art Olson <olson339@comcast.net> Date: Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 5:28 PM Subject: Fwd: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS To: Ria <ria@n2rj.com> Ria Hey how you doing. I really enjoy your YouTube episodes. Keep it up. On another note thought I would pass this on. Don’t know Eric but find this to be troublesome Art N2AJO Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: *From:* John Stengrevics <jstengrevics@comcast.net> *Date:* October 20, 2021 at 2:44:56 PM EDT *To:* eric norris <gliderboy1955@yahoo.com> *Cc:* Elecraft Reflector <elecraft@mailman.qth.net> *Subject:* *Re: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS* Give the legal folks at ARRL a call. John WA1EAZ On Oct 20, 2021, at 2:21 PM, eric norris via Elecraft < elecraft@mailman.qth.net> wrote: Dear Gang: Xfinity, our internet provider, showed up at 7:30am this morning, to explain to the XYL that we were being cut off for good because my amateur radio activities had caused wide area outages. Oddly, these wide area outages did not include my own house. They told her the antennas themselves--absent any power--were the problem The last time I was threatened, I installed chokes and opto-isolaters on our shielded ethernet lines, and after being told they use 14Mhz as their carrier frequency, I have stayed off 20m, only using 100w unless I'm in a rare contest. I asked to speak to a technical guy--they gave me a number which I called, but he never called back. Any Ideas? Does anyone have a contact at the ARRL, or know a communications lawyer? Comcast/Xfinity will be back out here at 2pm Pacific time--I'd appreciate any help. My XYL depends on an internet connection to work. Being off the air is unimaginable. Frantic, 73, Eric WD6DBM  ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jstengrevics@comcast.net ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to olson339@comcast.net
I have Comcast 1.2Gb Internet service and have no problems either. If I were causing RFI to others’ Internet, turning my Comcast off wouldn’t fix it. It’s illogical. Dumb technologist. Most of those folks have no idea how cable modems work. I doubt that this was a management decision. Tom Karinshak is the VP of service at Comcast in Philly. He’s a West Pointer, a smart customer oriented person. I have been in his office, back when I managed a 7 figure annual spend with them. He’a a quality guy and I’ll bet he has more empathy for amateur radio than his technician in this situation. Mickey Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> ________________________________ From: arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org> on behalf of rjairam@gmail.com <rjairam@gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 5:47:18 PM To: arrl-odv <arrl-odv@arrl.org> Subject: [arrl-odv:32900] Fwd: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS TL;DR - person claims Comcast (Xfinity) came and shut off their internet because they were supposedly causing interference to the cable system. If true this may be a bad precedent set. But it seems rather vindictive since cutting off internet service won’t solve the interference issues. My cable company when they were Service Electric had their upstream in the 15 meter band back when it was DOCSIS 2.0. They didn’t experience interference and neither did I. Altice USA has since bought them out. Is the lab on this already? I don’t know if Kristen is on this as yet. I’m forwarding this since one of my members here in NNJ seemed concerned. Thanks Ria N2RJ ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Art Olson <olson339@comcast.net<mailto:olson339@comcast.net>> Date: Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 5:28 PM Subject: Fwd: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS To: Ria <ria@n2rj.com<mailto:ria@n2rj.com>> Ria Hey how you doing. I really enjoy your YouTube episodes. Keep it up. On another note thought I would pass this on. Don’t know Eric but find this to be troublesome Art N2AJO Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: From: John Stengrevics <jstengrevics@comcast.net<mailto:jstengrevics@comcast.net>> Date: October 20, 2021 at 2:44:56 PM EDT To: eric norris <gliderboy1955@yahoo.com<mailto:gliderboy1955@yahoo.com>> Cc: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft@mailman.qth.net<mailto:elecraft@mailman.qth.net>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS Give the legal folks at ARRL a call. John WA1EAZ On Oct 20, 2021, at 2:21 PM, eric norris via Elecraft <elecraft@mailman.qth.net<mailto:elecraft@mailman.qth.net>> wrote: Dear Gang: Xfinity, our internet provider, showed up at 7:30am this morning, to explain to the XYL that we were being cut off for good because my amateur radio activities had caused wide area outages. Oddly, these wide area outages did not include my own house. They told her the antennas themselves--absent any power--were the problem The last time I was threatened, I installed chokes and opto-isolaters on our shielded ethernet lines, and after being told they use 14Mhz as their carrier frequency, I have stayed off 20m, only using 100w unless I'm in a rare contest. I asked to speak to a technical guy--they gave me a number which I called, but he never called back. Any Ideas? Does anyone have a contact at the ARRL, or know a communications lawyer? Comcast/Xfinity will be back out here at 2pm Pacific time--I'd appreciate any help. My XYL depends on an internet connection to work. Being off the air is unimaginable. Frantic, 73, Eric WD6DBM  ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net<mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jstengrevics@comcast.net<mailto:jstengrevics@comcast.net> ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net<mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to olson339@comcast.net<mailto:olson339@comcast.net>
Rod and David Rod, looks like a possible case for your Committee. David, sounds like an issue for Zac or Ed in the Lab. _______________________________________ John Robert Stratton N5AUS Director West Gulf Division Office:512-445-6262 Cell:512-426-2028 P.O. Box 2232 Austin, Texas 78768-2232 *_______________________________________*** **** -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: [arrl-odv:32900] Fwd: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 17:47:18 -0400 From: rjairam@gmail.com <rjairam@gmail.com> To: ODV <arrl-odv@arrl.org> TL;DR - person claims Comcast (Xfinity) came and shut off their internet because they were supposedly causing interference to the cable system. If true this may be a bad precedent set. But it seems rather vindictive since cutting off internet service won’t solve the interference issues. My cable company when they were Service Electric had their upstream in the 15 meter band back when it was DOCSIS 2.0. They didn’t experience interference and neither did I. Altice USA has since bought them out. Is the lab on this already? I don’t know if Kristen is on this as yet. I’m forwarding this since one of my members here in NNJ seemed concerned. Thanks Ria N2RJ ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: *Art Olson* <olson339@comcast.net> Date: Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 5:28 PM Subject: Fwd: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS To: Ria <ria@n2rj.com> Ria Hey how you doing. I really enjoy your YouTube episodes. Keep it up. On another note thought I would pass this on. Don’t know Eric but find this to be troublesome Art N2AJO Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message:
*From:* John Stengrevics <jstengrevics@comcast.net> *Date:* October 20, 2021 at 2:44:56 PM EDT *To:* eric norris <gliderboy1955@yahoo.com> *Cc:* Elecraft Reflector <elecraft@mailman.qth.net> *Subject:* *Re: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS*
Give the legal folks at ARRL a call.
John WA1EAZ
On Oct 20, 2021, at 2:21 PM, eric norris via Elecraft <elecraft@mailman.qth.net> wrote:
Dear Gang: Xfinity, our internet provider, showed up at 7:30am this morning, to explain to the XYL that we were being cut off for good because my amateur radio activities had caused wide area outages. Oddly, these wide area outages did not include my own house. They told her the antennas themselves--absent any power--were the problem The last time I was threatened, I installed chokes and opto-isolaters on our shielded ethernet lines, and after being told they use 14Mhz as their carrier frequency, I have stayed off 20m, only using 100w unless I'm in a rare contest. I asked to speak to a technical guy--they gave me a number which I called, but he never called back. Any Ideas? Does anyone have a contact at the ARRL, or know a communications lawyer? Comcast/Xfinity will be back out here at 2pm Pacific time--I'd appreciate any help. My XYL depends on an internet connection to work. Being off the air is unimaginable. Frantic,
73, Eric WD6DBM
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I wrote the ham and suggested he get in touch with Ed Hare -- I gave him the contact info. 73, Art K0AIZ On 10/20/2021 5:10 PM, John Robert Stratton wrote:
Rod and David
Rod, looks like a possible case for your Committee.
David, sounds like an issue for Zac or Ed in the Lab.
_______________________________________
John Robert Stratton
N5AUS
Director
West Gulf Division
Office:512-445-6262
Cell:512-426-2028
P.O. Box 2232
Austin, Texas 78768-2232
*_______________________________________***
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-------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: [arrl-odv:32900] Fwd: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 17:47:18 -0400 From: rjairam@gmail.com <rjairam@gmail.com> To: ODV <arrl-odv@arrl.org>
TL;DR - person claims Comcast (Xfinity) came and shut off their internet because they were supposedly causing interference to the cable system.
If true this may be a bad precedent set. But it seems rather vindictive since cutting off internet service won’t solve the interference issues.
My cable company when they were Service Electric had their upstream in the 15 meter band back when it was DOCSIS 2.0. They didn’t experience interference and neither did I. Altice USA has since bought them out.
Is the lab on this already?
I don’t know if Kristen is on this as yet. I’m forwarding this since one of my members here in NNJ seemed concerned.
Thanks Ria N2RJ
---------- Forwarded message --------- From: *Art Olson* <olson339@comcast.net> Date: Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 5:28 PM Subject: Fwd: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS To: Ria <ria@n2rj.com>
Ria Hey how you doing. I really enjoy your YouTube episodes. Keep it up.
On another note thought I would pass this on. Don’t know Eric but find this to be troublesome
Art N2AJO
Sent from my iPhone
Begin forwarded message:
*From:* John Stengrevics <jstengrevics@comcast.net> *Date:* October 20, 2021 at 2:44:56 PM EDT *To:* eric norris <gliderboy1955@yahoo.com> *Cc:* Elecraft Reflector <elecraft@mailman.qth.net> *Subject:* *Re: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS*
Give the legal folks at ARRL a call.
John WA1EAZ
On Oct 20, 2021, at 2:21 PM, eric norris via Elecraft <elecraft@mailman.qth.net> wrote:
Dear Gang: Xfinity, our internet provider, showed up at 7:30am this morning, to explain to the XYL that we were being cut off for good because my amateur radio activities had caused wide area outages. Oddly, these wide area outages did not include my own house. They told her the antennas themselves--absent any power--were the problem The last time I was threatened, I installed chokes and opto-isolaters on our shielded ethernet lines, and after being told they use 14Mhz as their carrier frequency, I have stayed off 20m, only using 100w unless I'm in a rare contest. I asked to speak to a technical guy--they gave me a number which I called, but he never called back. Any Ideas? Does anyone have a contact at the ARRL, or know a communications lawyer? Comcast/Xfinity will be back out here at 2pm Pacific time--I'd appreciate any help. My XYL depends on an internet connection to work. Being off the air is unimaginable. Frantic,
73, Eric WD6DBM
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Again, folks, this is a COMCAST business issue, "ready shoot aim" and can likely be resolved by speaking with management. There is no way that this is an overall policy and only speaking to COMCAST will force an actual analysis of the issue rather than what one technician or manager has decided on the ground in the neighborhood. Is the section manager and the TC/TA involved? As a TA, I regularly spoke with Utilities and have great local relationships. This is simply an opportunity to make one in this area. Mickey Baker, N4MB Palm Beach Gardens, FL *“The servant-leader is servant first… It begins with the natural feeling that one wants to serve, to serve first. Then conscious choice brings one to aspire to lead." Robert K. Greenleaf* On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 12:18 AM Arthur I. Zygielbaum <aiz@ctwsoft.com> wrote:
I wrote the ham and suggested he get in touch with Ed Hare -- I gave him the contact info.
73, Art K0AIZ On 10/20/2021 5:10 PM, John Robert Stratton wrote:
Rod and David
Rod, looks like a possible case for your Committee.
David, sounds like an issue for Zac or Ed in the Lab.
_______________________________________
John Robert Stratton
N5AUS
Director
West Gulf Division
Office: 512-445-6262
Cell: 512-426-2028
P.O. Box 2232
Austin, Texas 78768-2232
*_______________________________________*
-------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: [arrl-odv:32900] Fwd: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 17:47:18 -0400 From: rjairam@gmail.com <rjairam@gmail.com> <rjairam@gmail.com> To: ODV <arrl-odv@arrl.org> <arrl-odv@arrl.org>
TL;DR - person claims Comcast (Xfinity) came and shut off their internet because they were supposedly causing interference to the cable system.
If true this may be a bad precedent set. But it seems rather vindictive since cutting off internet service won’t solve the interference issues.
My cable company when they were Service Electric had their upstream in the 15 meter band back when it was DOCSIS 2.0. They didn’t experience interference and neither did I. Altice USA has since bought them out.
Is the lab on this already?
I don’t know if Kristen is on this as yet. I’m forwarding this since one of my members here in NNJ seemed concerned.
Thanks Ria N2RJ
---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Art Olson <olson339@comcast.net> Date: Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 5:28 PM Subject: Fwd: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS To: Ria <ria@n2rj.com>
Ria Hey how you doing. I really enjoy your YouTube episodes. Keep it up.
On another note thought I would pass this on. Don’t know Eric but find this to be troublesome
Art N2AJO
Sent from my iPhone
Begin forwarded message:
*From:* John Stengrevics <jstengrevics@comcast.net> *Date:* October 20, 2021 at 2:44:56 PM EDT *To:* eric norris <gliderboy1955@yahoo.com> *Cc:* Elecraft Reflector <elecraft@mailman.qth.net> *Subject:* *Re: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS*
Give the legal folks at ARRL a call.
John WA1EAZ
On Oct 20, 2021, at 2:21 PM, eric norris via Elecraft < elecraft@mailman.qth.net> wrote:
Dear Gang:
Xfinity, our internet provider, showed up at 7:30am this morning, to explain to the XYL that we were being cut off for good because my amateur radio activities had caused wide area outages. Oddly, these wide area outages did not include my own house. They told her the antennas themselves--absent any power--were the problem
The last time I was threatened, I installed chokes and opto-isolaters on our shielded ethernet lines, and after being told they use 14Mhz as their carrier frequency, I have stayed off 20m, only using 100w unless I'm in a rare contest. I asked to speak to a technical guy--they gave me a number which I called, but he never called back.
Any Ideas? Does anyone have a contact at the ARRL, or know a communications lawyer? Comcast/Xfinity will be back out here at 2pm Pacific time--I'd appreciate any help.
My XYL depends on an internet connection to work. Being off the air is unimaginable.
Frantic,
73, Eric WD6DBM

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I am working with Ed Hare and Bob Naumann to get to the bottom of it. Until we actually speak to, or read something directly from, Comcast this makes absolutely no sense. David From: arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org> On Behalf Of Mickey Baker Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2021 9:36 AM To: Zygielbaum, Art, K0AIZ (D,MW) <aiz@ctwsoft.com> Cc: David Minster <dminster@gmail.com>; arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org>; Siddall, David, K3ZJ (Communications Counsel) <davek3zj@gmail.com> Subject: [arrl-odv:32907] Re: Fwd: Fwd: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS Again, folks, this is a COMCAST business issue, "ready shoot aim" and can likely be resolved by speaking with management. There is no way that this is an overall policy and only speaking to COMCAST will force an actual analysis of the issue rather than what one technician or manager has decided on the ground in the neighborhood. Is the section manager and the TC/TA involved? As a TA, I regularly spoke with Utilities and have great local relationships. This is simply an opportunity to make one in this area. Mickey Baker, N4MB Palm Beach Gardens, FL “The servant-leader is servant first… It begins with the natural feeling that one wants to serve, to serve first. Then conscious choice brings one to aspire to lead." Robert K. Greenleaf On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 12:18 AM Arthur I. Zygielbaum <aiz@ctwsoft.com<mailto:aiz@ctwsoft.com>> wrote: I wrote the ham and suggested he get in touch with Ed Hare -- I gave him the contact info. 73, Art K0AIZ On 10/20/2021 5:10 PM, John Robert Stratton wrote: Rod and David Rod, looks like a possible case for your Committee. David, sounds like an issue for Zac or Ed in the Lab. _______________________________________ John Robert Stratton N5AUS Director West Gulf Division Office: 512-445-6262 Cell: 512-426-2028 P.O. Box 2232 Austin, Texas 78768-2232 _______________________________________ -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: [arrl-odv:32900] Fwd: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 17:47:18 -0400 From: rjairam@gmail.com<mailto:rjairam@gmail.com> <rjairam@gmail.com><mailto:rjairam@gmail.com> To: ODV <arrl-odv@arrl.org><mailto:arrl-odv@arrl.org> TL;DR - person claims Comcast (Xfinity) came and shut off their internet because they were supposedly causing interference to the cable system. If true this may be a bad precedent set. But it seems rather vindictive since cutting off internet service won’t solve the interference issues. My cable company when they were Service Electric had their upstream in the 15 meter band back when it was DOCSIS 2.0. They didn’t experience interference and neither did I. Altice USA has since bought them out. Is the lab on this already? I don’t know if Kristen is on this as yet. I’m forwarding this since one of my members here in NNJ seemed concerned. Thanks Ria N2RJ ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Art Olson <olson339@comcast.net<mailto:olson339@comcast.net>> Date: Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 5:28 PM Subject: Fwd: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS To: Ria <ria@n2rj.com<mailto:ria@n2rj.com>> Ria Hey how you doing. I really enjoy your YouTube episodes. Keep it up. On another note thought I would pass this on. Don’t know Eric but find this to be troublesome Art N2AJO Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: From: John Stengrevics <jstengrevics@comcast.net<mailto:jstengrevics@comcast.net>> Date: October 20, 2021 at 2:44:56 PM EDT To: eric norris <gliderboy1955@yahoo.com<mailto:gliderboy1955@yahoo.com>> Cc: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft@mailman.qth.net<mailto:elecraft@mailman.qth.net>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS Give the legal folks at ARRL a call. John WA1EAZ On Oct 20, 2021, at 2:21 PM, eric norris via Elecraft <elecraft@mailman.qth.net<mailto:elecraft@mailman.qth.net>> wrote: Dear Gang: Xfinity, our internet provider, showed up at 7:30am this morning, to explain to the XYL that we were being cut off for good because my amateur radio activities had caused wide area outages. Oddly, these wide area outages did not include my own house. They told her the antennas themselves--absent any power--were the problem The last time I was threatened, I installed chokes and opto-isolaters on our shielded ethernet lines, and after being told they use 14Mhz as their carrier frequency, I have stayed off 20m, only using 100w unless I'm in a rare contest. I asked to speak to a technical guy--they gave me a number which I called, but he never called back. Any Ideas? Does anyone have a contact at the ARRL, or know a communications lawyer? Comcast/Xfinity will be back out here at 2pm Pacific time--I'd appreciate any help. My XYL depends on an internet connection to work. Being off the air is unimaginable. 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Thank you David. 73 Ria N2RJ On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 9:54 AM Minster, David NA2AA (CEO) < dminster@arrl.org> wrote:
I am working with Ed Hare and Bob Naumann to get to the bottom of it.
Until we actually speak to, or read something directly from, Comcast this makes absolutely no sense.
David
*From:* arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org> * On Behalf Of *Mickey Baker *Sent:* Thursday, October 21, 2021 9:36 AM *To:* Zygielbaum, Art, K0AIZ (D,MW) <aiz@ctwsoft.com> *Cc:* David Minster <dminster@gmail.com>; arrl-odv < arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org>; Siddall, David, K3ZJ (Communications Counsel) <davek3zj@gmail.com> *Subject:* [arrl-odv:32907] Re: Fwd: Fwd: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS
Again, folks, this is a COMCAST business issue, "ready shoot aim" and can likely be resolved by speaking with management.
There is no way that this is an overall policy and only speaking to COMCAST will force an actual analysis of the issue rather than what one technician or manager has decided on the ground in the neighborhood.
Is the section manager and the TC/TA involved? As a TA, I regularly spoke with Utilities and have great local relationships. This is simply an opportunity to make one in this area.
Mickey Baker, N4MB Palm Beach Gardens, FL *“The servant-leader is servant first… It begins with the natural feeling that one wants to serve, to serve first. Then conscious choice brings one to aspire to lead." Robert K. Greenleaf*
On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 12:18 AM Arthur I. Zygielbaum <aiz@ctwsoft.com> wrote:
I wrote the ham and suggested he get in touch with Ed Hare -- I gave him the contact info.
73, Art K0AIZ
On 10/20/2021 5:10 PM, John Robert Stratton wrote:
Rod and David
Rod, looks like a possible case for your Committee.
David, sounds like an issue for Zac or Ed in the Lab.
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TL;DR - person claims Comcast (Xfinity) came and shut off their internet because they were supposedly causing interference to the cable system.
If true this may be a bad precedent set. But it seems rather vindictive since cutting off internet service won’t solve the interference issues.
My cable company when they were Service Electric had their upstream in the 15 meter band back when it was DOCSIS 2.0. They didn’t experience interference and neither did I. Altice USA has since bought them out.
Is the lab on this already?
I don’t know if Kristen is on this as yet. I’m forwarding this since one of my members here in NNJ seemed concerned.
Thanks
Ria
N2RJ
---------- Forwarded message --------- From: *Art Olson* <olson339@comcast.net> Date: Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 5:28 PM Subject: Fwd: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS To: Ria <ria@n2rj.com>
Ria
Hey how you doing. I really enjoy your YouTube episodes. Keep it up.
On another note thought I would pass this on. Don’t know Eric but find this to be troublesome
Art N2AJO
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*From:* John Stengrevics <jstengrevics@comcast.net> *Date:* October 20, 2021 at 2:44:56 PM EDT *To:* eric norris <gliderboy1955@yahoo.com> *Cc:* Elecraft Reflector <elecraft@mailman.qth.net> *Subject:* *Re: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS*
Give the legal folks at ARRL a call.
John WA1EAZ
On Oct 20, 2021, at 2:21 PM, eric norris via Elecraft < elecraft@mailman.qth.net> wrote:
Dear Gang:
Xfinity, our internet provider, showed up at 7:30am this morning, to explain to the XYL that we were being cut off for good because my amateur radio activities had caused wide area outages. Oddly, these wide area outages did not include my own house. They told her the antennas themselves--absent any power--were the problem
The last time I was threatened, I installed chokes and opto-isolaters on our shielded ethernet lines, and after being told they use 14Mhz as their carrier frequency, I have stayed off 20m, only using 100w unless I'm in a rare contest. I asked to speak to a technical guy--they gave me a number which I called, but he never called back.
Any Ideas? Does anyone have a contact at the ARRL, or know a communications lawyer? Comcast/Xfinity will be back out here at 2pm Pacific time--I'd appreciate any help.
My XYL depends on an internet connection to work. Being off the air is unimaginable.
Frantic,
73, Eric WD6DBM

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This might also be a violation of the State public utility regulations if the state PUC regulates phone service cable carriers. Many do not, but worth noting. FiOS virtually never gathers or radiates RF given its “RF clean” technology. On the other hand, Comcast lights up the two-meter band as I drive around town with stray RF which they tell me is customer premises radiating from poor coax networks in the home or apartments and will not take corrective actions. I suspect we will see more of this nonsense in the future. I agree that proper contact with the right persons should be tried first, placing assertions in writing as well. Bob Famiglio, K3RF Vice Director - ARRL Atlantic Division 610-359-7300 www.QRZ.com/db/K3RF From: arrl-odv On Behalf Of rjairam@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2021 10:25 AM To: Minster, David NA2AA (CEO) <dminster@arrl.org> Cc: David Minster <dminster@gmail.com>; arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org>; Siddall, David, K3ZJ (Communications Counsel) <davek3zj@gmail.com> Subject: [arrl-odv:32909] Re: Fwd: Fwd: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS Thank you David. 73 Ria N2RJ On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 9:54 AM Minster, David NA2AA (CEO) <dminster@arrl.org <mailto:dminster@arrl.org> > wrote: I am working with Ed Hare and Bob Naumann to get to the bottom of it. Until we actually speak to, or read something directly from, Comcast this makes absolutely no sense. David From: arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org <mailto:arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org> > On Behalf Of Mickey Baker Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2021 9:36 AM To: Zygielbaum, Art, K0AIZ (D,MW) <aiz@ctwsoft.com <mailto:aiz@ctwsoft.com> > Cc: David Minster <dminster@gmail.com <mailto:dminster@gmail.com> >; arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org <mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> >; Siddall, David, K3ZJ (Communications Counsel) <davek3zj@gmail.com <mailto:davek3zj@gmail.com> > Subject: [arrl-odv:32907] Re: Fwd: Fwd: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS Again, folks, this is a COMCAST business issue, "ready shoot aim" and can likely be resolved by speaking with management. There is no way that this is an overall policy and only speaking to COMCAST will force an actual analysis of the issue rather than what one technician or manager has decided on the ground in the neighborhood. Is the section manager and the TC/TA involved? As a TA, I regularly spoke with Utilities and have great local relationships. This is simply an opportunity to make one in this area. Mickey Baker, N4MB Palm Beach Gardens, FL “The servant-leader is servant first… It begins with the natural feeling that one wants to serve, to serve first. Then conscious choice brings one to aspire to lead." Robert K. Greenleaf On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 12:18 AM Arthur I. Zygielbaum <aiz@ctwsoft.com <mailto:aiz@ctwsoft.com> > wrote: I wrote the ham and suggested he get in touch with Ed Hare -- I gave him the contact info. 73, Art K0AIZ On 10/20/2021 5:10 PM, John Robert Stratton wrote: Rod and David Rod, looks like a possible case for your Committee. David, sounds like an issue for Zac or Ed in the Lab. _______________________________________ John Robert Stratton N5AUS Director West Gulf Division Office: 512-445-6262 Cell: 512-426-2028 PO. Box 2232 Austin, Texas 78768-2232 _______________________________________ -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: [arrl-odv:32900] Fwd: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 17:47:18 -0400 From: rjairam@gmail.com <mailto:rjairam@gmail.com> <mailto:rjairam@gmail.com> <rjairam@gmail.com> To: ODV <mailto:arrl-odv@arrl.org> <arrl-odv@arrl.org> TL;DR - person claims Comcast (Xfinity) came and shut off their internet because they were supposedly causing interference to the cable system. If true this may be a bad precedent set. But it seems rather vindictive since cutting off internet service won’t solve the interference issues. My cable company when they were Service Electric had their upstream in the 15 meter band back when it was DOCSIS 2.0. They didn’t experience interference and neither did I. Altice USA has since bought them out. Is the lab on this already? I don’t know if Kristen is on this as yet. I’m forwarding this since one of my members here in NNJ seemed concerned. Thanks Ria N2RJ ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Art Olson <olson339@comcast.net <mailto:olson339@comcast.net> > Date: Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 5:28 PM Subject: Fwd: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS To: Ria <ria@n2rj.com <mailto:ria@n2rj.com> > Ria Hey how you doing. I really enjoy your YouTube episodes. Keep it up. On another note thought I would pass this on. Don’t know Eric but find this to be troublesome Art N2AJO Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: From: John Stengrevics <jstengrevics@comcast.net <mailto:jstengrevics@comcast.net> > Date: October 20, 2021 at 2:44:56 PM EDT To: eric norris <gliderboy1955@yahoo.com <mailto:gliderboy1955@yahoo.com> > Cc: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft@mailman.qth.net <mailto:elecraft@mailman.qth.net> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS Give the legal folks at ARRL a call. John WA1EAZ On Oct 20, 2021, at 2:21 PM, eric norris via Elecraft <elecraft@mailman.qth.net <mailto:elecraft@mailman.qth.net> > wrote: Dear Gang: Xfinity, our internet provider, showed up at 7:30am this morning, to explain to the XYL that we were being cut off for good because my amateur radio activities had caused wide area outages. Oddly, these wide area outages did not include my own house. They told her the antennas themselves--absent any power--were the problem The last time I was threatened, I installed chokes and opto-isolaters on our shielded ethernet lines, and after being told they use 14Mhz as their carrier frequency, I have stayed off 20m, only using 100w unless I'm in a rare contest. I asked to speak to a technical guy--they gave me a number which I called, but he never called back. Any Ideas? Does anyone have a contact at the ARRL, or know a communications lawyer? Comcast/Xfinity will be back out here at 2pm Pacific time--I'd appreciate any help. My XYL depends on an internet connection to work. Being off the air is unimaginable. 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Wow, that’s crazy. I don’t know Eric, but he’s just a stone’s throw from here. Nobody contacted me before this. I have Comcast business service and have never had a problem myself. This is certainly wrong technically. I don’t know about legally. Let me get the SCV SM and Ed Hare involved. Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 20, 2021, at 2:47 PM, rjairam@gmail.com wrote: TL;DR - person claims Comcast (Xfinity) came and shut off their internet because they were supposedly causing interference to the cable system.
If true this may be a bad precedent set. But it seems rather vindictive since cutting off internet service won’t solve the interference issues.
My cable company when they were Service Electric had their upstream in the 15 meter band back when it was DOCSIS 2.0. They didn’t experience interference and neither did I. Altice USA has since bought them out.
Is the lab on this already?
I don’t know if Kristen is on this as yet. I’m forwarding this since one of my members here in NNJ seemed concerned.
Thanks Ria N2RJ
---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Art Olson <olson339@comcast.net> Date: Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 5:28 PM Subject: Fwd: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS To: Ria <ria@n2rj.com>
Ria Hey how you doing. I really enjoy your YouTube episodes. Keep it up.
On another note thought I would pass this on. Don’t know Eric but find this to be troublesome
Art N2AJO
Sent from my iPhone
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From: John Stengrevics <jstengrevics@comcast.net> Date: October 20, 2021 at 2:44:56 PM EDT To: eric norris <gliderboy1955@yahoo.com> Cc: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft@mailman.qth.net> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS
Give the legal folks at ARRL a call.
John WA1EAZ
On Oct 20, 2021, at 2:21 PM, eric norris via Elecraft <elecraft@mailman.qth.net> wrote:
Dear Gang: Xfinity, our internet provider, showed up at 7:30am this morning, to explain to the XYL that we were being cut off for good because my amateur radio activities had caused wide area outages. Oddly, these wide area outages did not include my own house. They told her the antennas themselves--absent any power--were the problem The last time I was threatened, I installed chokes and opto-isolaters on our shielded ethernet lines, and after being told they use 14Mhz as their carrier frequency, I have stayed off 20m, only using 100w unless I'm in a rare contest. I asked to speak to a technical guy--they gave me a number which I called, but he never called back. Any Ideas? Does anyone have a contact at the ARRL, or know a communications lawyer? Comcast/Xfinity will be back out here at 2pm Pacific time--I'd appreciate any help. My XYL depends on an internet connection to work. Being off the air is unimaginable. Frantic,
73, Eric WD6DBM
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I also have business Comcast internet here and my cable line comes in from the pole and runs right next to my main tower. I run the full legal limit here and have never interfered with my router. I do get into my AV surround sound receiver on 40 and 80 meters, but a faraday shield cover made up from 1/2 inch hardware cloth took care of it. 73; Mike W7VO Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 20, 2021, at 3:59 PM, Kristen A. McIntyre <kristen@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
Wow, that’s crazy. I don’t know Eric, but he’s just a stone’s throw from here. Nobody contacted me before this. I have Comcast business service and have never had a problem myself.
This is certainly wrong technically. I don’t know about legally. Let me get the SCV SM and Ed Hare involved.
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 20, 2021, at 2:47 PM, rjairam@gmail.com wrote:
TL;DR - person claims Comcast (Xfinity) came and shut off their internet because they were supposedly causing interference to the cable system.
If true this may be a bad precedent set. But it seems rather vindictive since cutting off internet service won’t solve the interference issues.
My cable company when they were Service Electric had their upstream in the 15 meter band back when it was DOCSIS 2.0. They didn’t experience interference and neither did I. Altice USA has since bought them out.
Is the lab on this already?
I don’t know if Kristen is on this as yet. I’m forwarding this since one of my members here in NNJ seemed concerned.
Thanks Ria N2RJ
---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Art Olson <olson339@comcast.net> Date: Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 5:28 PM Subject: Fwd: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS To: Ria <ria@n2rj.com>
Ria Hey how you doing. I really enjoy your YouTube episodes. Keep it up.
On another note thought I would pass this on. Don’t know Eric but find this to be troublesome
Art N2AJO
Sent from my iPhone
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From: John Stengrevics <jstengrevics@comcast.net> Date: October 20, 2021 at 2:44:56 PM EDT To: eric norris <gliderboy1955@yahoo.com> Cc: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft@mailman.qth.net> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS
Give the legal folks at ARRL a call.
John WA1EAZ
On Oct 20, 2021, at 2:21 PM, eric norris via Elecraft <elecraft@mailman.qth.net> wrote:
Dear Gang: Xfinity, our internet provider, showed up at 7:30am this morning, to explain to the XYL that we were being cut off for good because my amateur radio activities had caused wide area outages. Oddly, these wide area outages did not include my own house. They told her the antennas themselves--absent any power--were the problem The last time I was threatened, I installed chokes and opto-isolaters on our shielded ethernet lines, and after being told they use 14Mhz as their carrier frequency, I have stayed off 20m, only using 100w unless I'm in a rare contest. I asked to speak to a technical guy--they gave me a number which I called, but he never called back. Any Ideas? Does anyone have a contact at the ARRL, or know a communications lawyer? Comcast/Xfinity will be back out here at 2pm Pacific time--I'd appreciate any help. My XYL depends on an internet connection to work. Being off the air is unimaginable. Frantic,
73, Eric WD6DBM
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This is the craziest thing I’ve ever heard. I have a 1/4 mile run of Internet cable into my house from the fiber drop at the road and I’ve had no problems here. 73 David A. Norris, K5UZ Director, Delta Division Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 20, 2021, at 6:17 PM, Mike Ritz <w7vo@comcast.net> wrote:
I also have business Comcast internet here and my cable line comes in from the pole and runs right next to my main tower. I run the full legal limit here and have never interfered with my router. I do get into my AV surround sound receiver on 40 and 80 meters, but a faraday shield cover made up from 1/2 inch hardware cloth took care of it.
73; Mike W7VO
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On Oct 20, 2021, at 3:59 PM, Kristen A. McIntyre <kristen@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
Wow, that’s crazy. I don’t know Eric, but he’s just a stone’s throw from here. Nobody contacted me before this. I have Comcast business service and have never had a problem myself.
This is certainly wrong technically. I don’t know about legally. Let me get the SCV SM and Ed Hare involved.
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 20, 2021, at 2:47 PM, rjairam@gmail.com wrote:
TL;DR - person claims Comcast (Xfinity) came and shut off their internet because they were supposedly causing interference to the cable system.
If true this may be a bad precedent set. But it seems rather vindictive since cutting off internet service won’t solve the interference issues.
My cable company when they were Service Electric had their upstream in the 15 meter band back when it was DOCSIS 2.0. They didn’t experience interference and neither did I. Altice USA has since bought them out.
Is the lab on this already?
I don’t know if Kristen is on this as yet. I’m forwarding this since one of my members here in NNJ seemed concerned.
Thanks Ria N2RJ
---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Art Olson <olson339@comcast.net> Date: Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 5:28 PM Subject: Fwd: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS To: Ria <ria@n2rj.com>
Ria Hey how you doing. I really enjoy your YouTube episodes. Keep it up.
On another note thought I would pass this on. Don’t know Eric but find this to be troublesome
Art N2AJO
Sent from my iPhone
Begin forwarded message:
From: John Stengrevics <jstengrevics@comcast.net> Date: October 20, 2021 at 2:44:56 PM EDT To: eric norris <gliderboy1955@yahoo.com> Cc: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft@mailman.qth.net> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS
Give the legal folks at ARRL a call.
John WA1EAZ
On Oct 20, 2021, at 2:21 PM, eric norris via Elecraft <elecraft@mailman.qth.net> wrote:
Dear Gang: Xfinity, our internet provider, showed up at 7:30am this morning, to explain to the XYL that we were being cut off for good because my amateur radio activities had caused wide area outages. Oddly, these wide area outages did not include my own house. They told her the antennas themselves--absent any power--were the problem The last time I was threatened, I installed chokes and opto-isolaters on our shielded ethernet lines, and after being told they use 14Mhz as their carrier frequency, I have stayed off 20m, only using 100w unless I'm in a rare contest. I asked to speak to a technical guy--they gave me a number which I called, but he never called back. Any Ideas? Does anyone have a contact at the ARRL, or know a communications lawyer? Comcast/Xfinity will be back out here at 2pm Pacific time--I'd appreciate any help. My XYL depends on an internet connection to work. Being off the air is unimaginable. Frantic,
73, Eric WD6DBM
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Kristen, As the information on this situation develops, could you keep me in the information loop. As chair of the Legal Defense and Assistance Committee there may be some opportunity for the committee to be of assistance and I can forward the information on to the committee. Thanks, Rod W6ROD Amateur Radio W6ROD ARRL Int’l Affairs Vice President From: arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org> on behalf of "Kristen A. McIntyre" <kristen@alum.mit.edu> Date: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 at 3:59 PM To: <rjairam@gmail.com> Cc: ODV <arrl-odv@arrl.org> Subject: [arrl-odv:32903] Re: Fwd: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS Wow, that’s crazy. I don’t know Eric, but he’s just a stone’s throw from here. Nobody contacted me before this. I have Comcast business service and have never had a problem myself. This is certainly wrong technically. I don’t know about legally. Let me get the SCV SM and Ed Hare involved. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 20, 2021, at 2:47 PM, rjairam@gmail.com wrote: TL;DR - person claims Comcast (Xfinity) came and shut off their internet because they were supposedly causing interference to the cable system. If true this may be a bad precedent set. But it seems rather vindictive since cutting off internet service won’t solve the interference issues. My cable company when they were Service Electric had their upstream in the 15 meter band back when it was DOCSIS 2.0. They didn’t experience interference and neither did I. Altice USA has since bought them out. Is the lab on this already? I don’t know if Kristen is on this as yet. I’m forwarding this since one of my members here in NNJ seemed concerned. Thanks Ria N2RJ ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Art Olson <olson339@comcast.net> Date: Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 5:28 PM Subject: Fwd: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS To: Ria <ria@n2rj.com> Ria Hey how you doing. I really enjoy your YouTube episodes. Keep it up. On another note thought I would pass this on. Don’t know Eric but find this to be troublesome Art N2AJO Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: From: John Stengrevics <jstengrevics@comcast.net> Date: October 20, 2021 at 2:44:56 PM EDT To: eric norris <gliderboy1955@yahoo.com> Cc: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft@mailman.qth.net> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS Give the legal folks at ARRL a call. John WA1EAZ On Oct 20, 2021, at 2:21 PM, eric norris via Elecraft <elecraft@mailman.qth.net> wrote: Dear Gang: Xfinity, our internet provider, showed up at 7:30am this morning, to explain to the XYL that we were being cut off for good because my amateur radio activities had caused wide area outages. Oddly, these wide area outages did not include my own house. They told her the antennas themselves--absent any power--were the problem The last time I was threatened, I installed chokes and opto-isolaters on our shielded ethernet lines, and after being told they use 14Mhz as their carrier frequency, I have stayed off 20m, only using 100w unless I'm in a rare contest. I asked to speak to a technical guy--they gave me a number which I called, but he never called back. Any Ideas? Does anyone have a contact at the ARRL, or know a communications lawyer? Comcast/Xfinity will be back out here at 2pm Pacific time--I'd appreciate any help. My XYL depends on an internet connection to work. Being off the air is unimaginable. Frantic, 73, Eric WD6DBM  ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jstengrevics@comcast.net ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to olson339@comcast.net _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv
Yes, of course Rod. There’s not much news at the moment. We have reached out to Ed Hare and he has asked Ron Hranac, N0IVN, to talk to his contact at Comcast. We have tried to contact WD6DBM, but have not been successful at this point. It could be because he cannot access his email, given Comcast’s actions. We are looking for a phone number for him. On Oct 21, 2021, at 12:30 PM, Rodney Stafford <w6rod@comcast.net<mailto:w6rod@comcast.net>> wrote: Kristen, As the information on this situation develops, could you keep me in the information loop. As chair of the Legal Defense and Assistance Committee there may be some opportunity for the committee to be of assistance and I can forward the information on to the committee. Thanks, Rod W6ROD Amateur Radio W6ROD ARRL Int’l Affairs Vice President From: arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org<mailto:arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org>> on behalf of "Kristen A. McIntyre" <kristen@alum.mit.edu<mailto:kristen@alum.mit.edu>> Date: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 at 3:59 PM To: <rjairam@gmail.com<mailto:rjairam@gmail.com>> Cc: ODV <arrl-odv@arrl.org<mailto:arrl-odv@arrl.org>> Subject: [arrl-odv:32903] Re: Fwd: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS Wow, that’s crazy. I don’t know Eric, but he’s just a stone’s throw from here. Nobody contacted me before this. I have Comcast business service and have never had a problem myself. This is certainly wrong technically. I don’t know about legally. Let me get the SCV SM and Ed Hare involved. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 20, 2021, at 2:47 PM, rjairam@gmail.com<mailto:rjairam@gmail.com> wrote: TL;DR - person claims Comcast (Xfinity) came and shut off their internet because they were supposedly causing interference to the cable system. If true this may be a bad precedent set. But it seems rather vindictive since cutting off internet service won’t solve the interference issues. My cable company when they were Service Electric had their upstream in the 15 meter band back when it was DOCSIS 2.0. They didn’t experience interference and neither did I. Altice USA has since bought them out. Is the lab on this already? I don’t know if Kristen is on this as yet. I’m forwarding this since one of my members here in NNJ seemed concerned. Thanks Ria N2RJ ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Art Olson <olson339@comcast.net<mailto:olson339@comcast.net>> Date: Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 5:28 PM Subject: Fwd: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS To: Ria <ria@n2rj.com<mailto:ria@n2rj.com>> Ria Hey how you doing. I really enjoy your YouTube episodes. Keep it up. On another note thought I would pass this on. Don’t know Eric but find this to be troublesome Art N2AJO Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: From: John Stengrevics <jstengrevics@comcast.net<mailto:jstengrevics@comcast.net>> Date: October 20, 2021 at 2:44:56 PM EDT To: eric norris <gliderboy1955@yahoo.com<mailto:gliderboy1955@yahoo.com>> Cc: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft@mailman.qth.net<mailto:elecraft@mailman.qth.net>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS Give the legal folks at ARRL a call. John WA1EAZ On Oct 20, 2021, at 2:21 PM, eric norris via Elecraft <elecraft@mailman.qth.net<mailto:elecraft@mailman.qth.net>> wrote: Dear Gang: Xfinity, our internet provider, showed up at 7:30am this morning, to explain to the XYL that we were being cut off for good because my amateur radio activities had caused wide area outages. Oddly, these wide area outages did not include my own house. They told her the antennas themselves--absent any power--were the problem The last time I was threatened, I installed chokes and opto-isolaters on our shielded ethernet lines, and after being told they use 14Mhz as their carrier frequency, I have stayed off 20m, only using 100w unless I'm in a rare contest. I asked to speak to a technical guy--they gave me a number which I called, but he never called back. Any Ideas? Does anyone have a contact at the ARRL, or know a communications lawyer? Comcast/Xfinity will be back out here at 2pm Pacific time--I'd appreciate any help. My XYL depends on an internet connection to work. Being off the air is unimaginable. Frantic, 73, Eric WD6DBM  ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net<mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net<http://www.qsl.net/> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to jstengrevics@comcast.net<mailto:jstengrevics@comcast.net> ______________________________________________________________ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net<mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net<http://www.qsl.net/> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html Message delivered to olson339@comcast.net<mailto:olson339@comcast.net> _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org<mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org<mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org>https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv -Kristen (K6WX) "Your eyes ... it's a day's work just looking into them" Laurie Anderson (--... ...-- -.. . -.- -.... .-- -..-)
Thanks to all who sent me the phone number for WD6DDM! I’ve called him and left a message. Hopefully he’ll get back to me.
On Oct 21, 2021, at 1:08 PM, Kristen McIntyre <kristen@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
Yes, of course Rod. There’s not much news at the moment. We have reached out to Ed Hare and he has asked Ron Hranac, N0IVN, to talk to his contact at Comcast. We have tried to contact WD6DBM, but have not been successful at this point. It could be because he cannot access his email, given Comcast’s actions. We are looking for a phone number for him.
On Oct 21, 2021, at 12:30 PM, Rodney Stafford <w6rod@comcast.net <mailto:w6rod@comcast.net>> wrote:
Kristen,
As the information on this situation develops, could you keep me in the information loop. As chair of the Legal Defense and Assistance Committee there may be some opportunity for the committee to be of assistance and I can forward the information on to the committee.
Thanks, Rod W6ROD
Amateur Radio W6ROD ARRL Int’l Affairs Vice President
From: arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org <mailto:arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org>> on behalf of "Kristen A. McIntyre" <kristen@alum.mit.edu <mailto:kristen@alum.mit.edu>> Date: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 at 3:59 PM To: <rjairam@gmail.com <mailto:rjairam@gmail.com>> Cc: ODV <arrl-odv@arrl.org <mailto:arrl-odv@arrl.org>> Subject: [arrl-odv:32903] Re: Fwd: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS
Wow, that’s crazy. I don’t know Eric, but he’s just a stone’s throw from here. Nobody contacted me before this. I have Comcast business service and have never had a problem myself.
This is certainly wrong technically. I don’t know about legally. Let me get the SCV SM and Ed Hare involved.
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 20, 2021, at 2:47 PM, rjairam@gmail.com <mailto:rjairam@gmail.com> wrote:
TL;DR - person claims Comcast (Xfinity) came and shut off their internet because they were supposedly causing interference to the cable system.
If true this may be a bad precedent set. But it seems rather vindictive since cutting off internet service won’t solve the interference issues.
My cable company when they were Service Electric had their upstream in the 15 meter band back when it was DOCSIS 2.0. They didn’t experience interference and neither did I. Altice USA has since bought them out.
Is the lab on this already?
I don’t know if Kristen is on this as yet. I’m forwarding this since one of my members here in NNJ seemed concerned.
Thanks Ria N2RJ
---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Art Olson <olson339@comcast.net <mailto:olson339@comcast.net>> Date: Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 5:28 PM Subject: Fwd: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS To: Ria <ria@n2rj.com <mailto:ria@n2rj.com>>
Ria Hey how you doing. I really enjoy your YouTube episodes. Keep it up.
On another note thought I would pass this on. Don’t know Eric but find this to be troublesome
Art N2AJO
Sent from my iPhone
Begin forwarded message:
From: John Stengrevics <jstengrevics@comcast.net <mailto:jstengrevics@comcast.net>> Date: October 20, 2021 at 2:44:56 PM EDT To: eric norris <gliderboy1955@yahoo.com <mailto:gliderboy1955@yahoo.com>> Cc: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft@mailman.qth.net <mailto:elecraft@mailman.qth.net>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS
Give the legal folks at ARRL a call.
John WA1EAZ
On Oct 20, 2021, at 2:21 PM, eric norris via Elecraft <elecraft@mailman.qth.net <mailto:elecraft@mailman.qth.net>> wrote:
Dear Gang: Xfinity, our internet provider, showed up at 7:30am this morning, to explain to the XYL that we were being cut off for good because my amateur radio activities had caused wide area outages. Oddly, these wide area outages did not include my own house. They told her the antennas themselves--absent any power--were the problem The last time I was threatened, I installed chokes and opto-isolaters on our shielded ethernet lines, and after being told they use 14Mhz as their carrier frequency, I have stayed off 20m, only using 100w unless I'm in a rare contest. I asked to speak to a technical guy--they gave me a number which I called, but he never called back. Any Ideas? Does anyone have a contact at the ARRL, or know a communications lawyer? Comcast/Xfinity will be back out here at 2pm Pacific time--I'd appreciate any help. My XYL depends on an internet connection to work. Being off the air is unimaginable. Frantic,
73, Eric WD6DBM
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WD6DBM. Doh! Sent from my iPad
On Oct 21, 2021, at 2:14 PM, Kristen McIntyre <kristen@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
Thanks to all who sent me the phone number for WD6DDM! I’ve called him and left a message. Hopefully he’ll get back to me.
On Oct 21, 2021, at 1:08 PM, Kristen McIntyre <kristen@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
Yes, of course Rod. There’s not much news at the moment. We have reached out to Ed Hare and he has asked Ron Hranac, N0IVN, to talk to his contact at Comcast. We have tried to contact WD6DBM, but have not been successful at this point. It could be because he cannot access his email, given Comcast’s actions. We are looking for a phone number for him.
On Oct 21, 2021, at 12:30 PM, Rodney Stafford <w6rod@comcast.net> wrote:
Kristen,
As the information on this situation develops, could you keep me in the information loop. As chair of the Legal Defense and Assistance Committee there may be some opportunity for the committee to be of assistance and I can forward the information on to the committee.
Thanks, Rod W6ROD
Amateur Radio W6ROD ARRL Int’l Affairs Vice President
From: arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org> on behalf of "Kristen A. McIntyre" <kristen@alum.mit.edu> Date: Wednesday, October 20, 2021 at 3:59 PM To: <rjairam@gmail.com> Cc: ODV <arrl-odv@arrl.org> Subject: [arrl-odv:32903] Re: Fwd: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS
Wow, that’s crazy. I don’t know Eric, but he’s just a stone’s throw from here. Nobody contacted me before this. I have Comcast business service and have never had a problem myself.
This is certainly wrong technically. I don’t know about legally. Let me get the SCV SM and Ed Hare involved.
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 20, 2021, at 2:47 PM, rjairam@gmail.com wrote:
TL;DR - person claims Comcast (Xfinity) came and shut off their internet because they were supposedly causing interference to the cable system.
If true this may be a bad precedent set. But it seems rather vindictive since cutting off internet service won’t solve the interference issues.
My cable company when they were Service Electric had their upstream in the 15 meter band back when it was DOCSIS 2.0. They didn’t experience interference and neither did I. Altice USA has since bought them out.
Is the lab on this already?
I don’t know if Kristen is on this as yet. I’m forwarding this since one of my members here in NNJ seemed concerned.
Thanks Ria N2RJ
---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Art Olson <olson339@comcast.net> Date: Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 5:28 PM Subject: Fwd: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS To: Ria <ria@n2rj.com>
Ria Hey how you doing. I really enjoy your YouTube episodes. Keep it up.
On another note thought I would pass this on. Don’t know Eric but find this to be troublesome
Art N2AJO
Sent from my iPhone
Begin forwarded message:
From: John Stengrevics <jstengrevics@comcast.net> Date: October 20, 2021 at 2:44:56 PM EDT To: eric norris <gliderboy1955@yahoo.com> Cc: Elecraft Reflector <elecraft@mailman.qth.net> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] HELP! XFINITY SHUT OFF INTERNET DUE TO HAM ANTENNAS
Give the legal folks at ARRL a call.
John WA1EAZ
> On Oct 20, 2021, at 2:21 PM, eric norris via Elecraft <elecraft@mailman.qth.net> wrote:
Dear Gang: Xfinity, our internet provider, showed up at 7:30am this morning, to explain to the XYL that we were being cut off for good because my amateur radio activities had caused wide area outages. Oddly, these wide area outages did not include my own house. They told her the antennas themselves--absent any power--were the problem The last time I was threatened, I installed chokes and opto-isolaters on our shielded ethernet lines, and after being told they use 14Mhz as their carrier frequency, I have stayed off 20m, only using 100w unless I'm in a rare contest. I asked to speak to a technical guy--they gave me a number which I called, but he never called back. Any Ideas? Does anyone have a contact at the ARRL, or know a communications lawyer? Comcast/Xfinity will be back out here at 2pm Pacific time--I'd appreciate any help. My XYL depends on an internet connection to work. Being off the air is unimaginable. Frantic,
73, Eric WD6DBM
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Arthur I. Zygielbaum -
Baker, Mickey, N4MB (Dir, SE) -
Bob Famiglio, K3RF -
David Norris -
John Robert Stratton -
Kristen A. McIntyre -
Kristen McIntyre
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Mickey Baker -
Mike Ritz -
Minster, David NA2AA (CEO) -
rjairam＠gmail.com -
Rodney Stafford