The guest host for Rush Limbaugh just talked about communicating by ham radio and then said "and then you won't be able to buy a ham radio" I honestly missed the first part of the statement. FYI..... They say any PR is good PR, but perhaps not in this case. Mark, HDX On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 10:51 AM Bob Famiglio, K3RF via arrl-odv < arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> wrote:

*“It would seem a lot better to do the critical word-smithing in advance, rather than in hasty reaction to a news story whose timing we don’t control.”*

Yes, Bud’s right. We might want something inventoried for various scenarios, hopefully none of which we will need. The last thing one wants to be on is an unexpected call from a legit media inquiry with a horrible headline and need comment in 1 minute or less. Someone likely is doing this already I suspect. A “*Can I get back to you in 10*?” usually meets with a “*no – cannot do*.” Or we cannot reach the reporter later. That will be reported as we had no comment by air/press time.

*Bob Famiglio, K3RF*

*Vice Director - ARRL Atlantic Division*

*610-359-7300*

www.QRZ.com/db/K3RF

*From:* arrl-odv *On Behalf Of *Hippisley, George (Bud), W2RU, (Dir, RK) *Sent:* Tuesday, January 12, 2021 1:13 PM *To:* Minster, David NA2AA (CEO) <dminster@arrl.org>; arrl-odv < arrl-odv@arrl.org> *Subject:* [arrl-odv:31633] Re: Feedback - Action

I agree that we do nothing *outwardly* at this time, but I don’t believe that should preclude us from *quietly* preparing a news release to have in (y)our hip pocket “just in case”. Only a few individuals need to be involved in the preparation. It would seem a lot better to do the critical word-smithing in advance, rather than in hasty reaction to a news story whose timing we don’t control.

Bud, W2RU

*From: *arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org> on behalf of "Minster, David NA2AA (CEO)" <dminster@arrl.org> *Date: *Tuesday, January 12, 2021 at 12:17 PM *To: *arrl-odv <arrl-odv@arrl.org> *Subject: *[arrl-odv:31630] Feedback - Action

From feedback I’ve received in writing and via phone, the consensus is that we do nothing.

The mechanisms for served agencies to request assistance are already in place. If they need assistance they will request it and our members will respond.

Going beyond that may spotlight the events. Our comments could cause members who wouldn’t have had a thought of getting involved to jump up and take unwelcome action.

Thanks for your fast response!

David

_______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv

Dear ODV Members: The mounting erroneous references to the use of Ham Radio among protestors are going to hurt us. If we do not challenge these citations, we run the risk that “Ham Radio” could become the catch phrase for any nefarious use of two-way radios. Imagine our law abiding members being questioned by people outside our community that, “Oh, you’re one of those?” after hearing that Amateur Radio was somehow involved with troublemakers. It will tarnish our image as emergency communicators and in recruiting youth through STEM programs. By not even attempting to clarify the record, it will appear that we are complicit in condoning the use of Amateur Radio frequencies for events which can lead to violence. While I understand the hesitancy to take a proactive stance in advance of any potential trouble next week, I vehemently disagree that we should disregard existing incorrect references in mainstream media and prominent social media. The remark Vice Director Tharp heard on Rush Limbaugh should be addressed. According to several sources, the Rush Limbaugh show is heard by15.5 million listeners per week. That’s 5% of the U.S. population. If the remarks of Limbaugh’s guest host are not countered, the association of Ham Radio and illicit activity will be imbedded in listeners’ minds. What are our advertisers which manufacture HTs thinking if the public is associating their products with this movement? Wouldn’t they expect us to take a strong stand against a misleading description that this movement embraces Amateur Radio? Not only should we have a media release ready which disavows our affiliation with these groups, but either staff should monitor and engage media personnel for a retraction and correction, or ARRL should hire a PR firm temporarily to distance ourselves. I would also recommend that we place a prominent disclaimer on the main page of our website through at least next Wednesday so anyone who may come to our website after doing a search will know that Amateur Radio is not part of an anti-government movement. Ignoring the problem will only lead to further problems for us all. 73 de Bill Morine, N2COP Vice Director – Roanoke Division Representing ARRL members in North Carolina, South Carolina, Virginia and West Virginia <http://www.arrl-roanoke.org/> www.arrl-roanoke.org Facebook Page: ARRL Roanoke Division ARRL – The National Association for Amateur Radio From: arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org> On Behalf Of Mark J Tharp Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2021 2:31 PM To: Bob Famiglio, K3RF <RBFamiglio@verizon.net> Cc: arrl-odv <arrl-odv@arrl.org> Subject: [arrl-odv:31635] Re: Feedback - Action The guest host for Rush Limbaugh just talked about communicating by ham radio and then said "and then you won't be able to buy a ham radio" I honestly missed the first part of the statement. FYI..... They say any PR is good PR, but perhaps not in this case. Mark, HDX On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 10:51 AM Bob Famiglio, K3RF via arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org <mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> > wrote: “It would seem a lot better to do the critical word-smithing in advance, rather than in hasty reaction to a news story whose timing we don’t control.” Yes, Bud’s right. We might want something inventoried for various scenarios, hopefully none of which we will need. The last thing one wants to be on is an unexpected call from a legit media inquiry with a horrible headline and need comment in 1 minute or less. Someone likely is doing this already I suspect. A “Can I get back to you in 10?” usually meets with a “no – cannot do.” Or we cannot reach the reporter later. That will be reported as we had no comment by air/press time. Bob Famiglio, K3RF Vice Director - ARRL Atlantic Division 610-359-7300 <http://www.QRZ.com/db/K3RF> www.QRZ.com/db/K3RF From: arrl-odv On Behalf Of Hippisley, George (Bud), W2RU, (Dir, RK) Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2021 1:13 PM To: Minster, David NA2AA (CEO) <dminster@arrl.org <mailto:dminster@arrl.org> >; arrl-odv <arrl-odv@arrl.org <mailto:arrl-odv@arrl.org> > Subject: [arrl-odv:31633] Re: Feedback - Action I agree that we do nothing outwardly at this time, but I don’t believe that should preclude us from quietly preparing a news release to have in (y)our hip pocket “just in case”. Only a few individuals need to be involved in the preparation. It would seem a lot better to do the critical word-smithing in advance, rather than in hasty reaction to a news story whose timing we don’t control. Bud, W2RU From: arrl-odv < <mailto:arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org> arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org> on behalf of "Minster, David NA2AA (CEO)" < <mailto:dminster@arrl.org> dminster@arrl.org> Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2021 at 12:17 PM To: arrl-odv < <mailto:arrl-odv@arrl.org> arrl-odv@arrl.org> Subject: [arrl-odv:31630] Feedback - Action

From feedback I’ve received in writing and via phone, the consensus is that we do nothing.

The mechanisms for served agencies to request assistance are already in place. If they need assistance they will request it and our members will respond. Going beyond that may spotlight the events. Our comments could cause members who wouldn’t have had a thought of getting involved to jump up and take unwelcome action. Thanks for your fast response! David _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org <mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv

The first part I missed, but the quote was the quote, " and then you won't be able to buy a ham radio" As I said, I did miss the first part, and when he said this it caught my ear. I agree John. without having the first part it's hard to know the intent. I was hoping another might have heard it. I did send an email directly to Kens home station and asked about a transcript of that statement. With my generic email address of course. Will advise if I hear back. Mark, HDX On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 1:02 PM N5AUS <N5AUS@n5aus.com> wrote:

Does anyone actually know what the guest speaker said? Speculation is dangerous.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 12, 2021, at 2:52 PM, n2cop@ec.rr.com wrote:



Dear ODV Members:

The mounting erroneous references to the use of Ham Radio among protestors are going to hurt us. If we do not challenge these citations, we run the risk that “Ham Radio” could become the catch phrase for any nefarious use of two-way radios. Imagine our law abiding members being questioned by people outside our community that, “Oh, you’re one of those?” after hearing that Amateur Radio was somehow involved with troublemakers. It will tarnish our image as emergency communicators and in recruiting youth through STEM programs. By not even attempting to clarify the record, it will appear that we are complicit in condoning the use of Amateur Radio frequencies for events which can lead to violence.

While I understand the hesitancy to take a proactive stance in advance of any potential trouble next week, I vehemently disagree that we should disregard existing incorrect references in mainstream media and prominent social media. The remark Vice Director Tharp heard on Rush Limbaugh should be addressed. According to several sources, the Rush Limbaugh show is heard by15.5 million listeners per week. That’s 5% of the U.S. population. If the remarks of Limbaugh’s guest host are not countered, the association of Ham Radio and illicit activity will be imbedded in listeners’ minds. What are our advertisers which manufacture HTs thinking if the public is associating their products with this movement? Wouldn’t they expect us to take a strong stand against a misleading description that this movement embraces Amateur Radio?

Not only should we have a media release ready which disavows our affiliation with these groups, but either staff should monitor and engage media personnel for a retraction and correction, or ARRL should hire a PR firm temporarily to distance ourselves. I would also recommend that we place a prominent disclaimer on the main page of our website through at least next Wednesday so anyone who may come to our website after doing a search will know that Amateur Radio is not part of an anti-government movement. Ignoring the problem will only lead to further problems for us all.

73 de Bill Morine, N2COP

Vice Director – Roanoke Division

*Representing ARRL members in North Carolina, South Carolina, Virginia and West Virginia*

www.arrl-roanoke.org

Facebook Page: ARRL Roanoke Division

ARRL – The National Association for Amateur Radio

*From:* arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org> *On Behalf Of *Mark J Tharp *Sent:* Tuesday, January 12, 2021 2:31 PM *To:* Bob Famiglio, K3RF <RBFamiglio@verizon.net> *Cc:* arrl-odv <arrl-odv@arrl.org> *Subject:* [arrl-odv:31635] Re: Feedback - Action

The guest host for Rush Limbaugh just talked about communicating by ham radio and then said "and then you won't be able to buy a ham radio" I honestly missed the first part of the statement.

FYI.....

They say any PR is good PR, but perhaps not in this case.

Mark, HDX

On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 10:51 AM Bob Famiglio, K3RF via arrl-odv < arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> wrote:

*“It would seem a lot better to do the critical word-smithing in advance, rather than in hasty reaction to a news story whose timing we don’t control.”*

Yes, Bud’s right. We might want something inventoried for various scenarios, hopefully none of which we will need. The last thing one wants to be on is an unexpected call from a legit media inquiry with a horrible headline and need comment in 1 minute or less. Someone likely is doing this already I suspect. A “*Can I get back to you in 10*?” usually meets with a “*no – cannot do*.” Or we cannot reach the reporter later. That will be reported as we had no comment by air/press time.

*Bob Famiglio, K3RF*

*Vice Director - ARRL Atlantic Division*

*610-359-7300*

<image001.png>

www.QRZ.com/db/K3RF

*From:* arrl-odv *On Behalf Of *Hippisley, George (Bud), W2RU, (Dir, RK) *Sent:* Tuesday, January 12, 2021 1:13 PM *To:* Minster, David NA2AA (CEO) <dminster@arrl.org>; arrl-odv < arrl-odv@arrl.org> *Subject:* [arrl-odv:31633] Re: Feedback - Action

I agree that we do nothing *outwardly* at this time, but I don’t believe that should preclude us from *quietly* preparing a news release to have in (y)our hip pocket “just in case”. Only a few individuals need to be involved in the preparation. It would seem a lot better to do the critical word-smithing in advance, rather than in hasty reaction to a news story whose timing we don’t control.

Bud, W2RU

*From: *arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org> on behalf of "Minster, David NA2AA (CEO)" <dminster@arrl.org> *Date: *Tuesday, January 12, 2021 at 12:17 PM *To: *arrl-odv <arrl-odv@arrl.org> *Subject: *[arrl-odv:31630] Feedback - Action

From feedback I’ve received in writing and via phone, the consensus is that we do nothing.

The mechanisms for served agencies to request assistance are already in place. If they need assistance they will request it and our members will respond.

Going beyond that may spotlight the events. Our comments could cause members who wouldn’t have had a thought of getting involved to jump up and take unwelcome action.

Thanks for your fast response!

David

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I had no idea he was a ham. I do know him as a former colleague. One of my reports went on to become his IT director at The Blaze. We do have some such as Jim Quinn (W3VEX) but they are not as high profile. I can see Bill's point but I think that being reactionary to this will do more harm than good. Not to mention that "they walk among us" is absolutely true. 73 Ria, N2RJ On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 5:00 PM Mickey Baker <fishflorida@gmail.com> wrote:

If we are now worried about a random partial statement by an unknown guest on the Rush Limbaugh show, we need to examine our own filters. It is easy enough to listen to these shows, they're generally all recorded and available for playback.

Paranoia and hyperbole are what people expect to hear when they listen to talk radio generally.

Everyone is aware that Glenn Beck is/was a ham? As I recall, he was behind a survivalist movement that used amateur radio because someone he didn't support was elected president.

Mickey Baker, N4MB Palm Beach Gardens, FL “The servant-leader is servant first… It begins with the natural feeling that one wants to serve, to serve first. Then conscious choice brings one to aspire to lead." Robert K. Greenleaf

On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 4:20 PM Mark J Tharp <kb7hdx@gmail.com> wrote:

...

The first part I missed, but the quote was the quote, " and then you won't be able to buy a ham radio"

As I said, I did miss the first part, and when he said this it caught my ear.

I agree John. without having the first part it's hard to know the intent.

I was hoping another might have heard it.

I did send an email directly to Kens home station and asked about a transcript of that statement.

With my generic email address of course.

Will advise if I hear back.

Mark, HDX

On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 1:02 PM N5AUS <N5AUS@n5aus.com> wrote:

...

Does anyone actually know what the guest speaker said? Speculation is dangerous.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 12, 2021, at 2:52 PM, n2cop@ec.rr.com wrote:



Dear ODV Members:

The mounting erroneous references to the use of Ham Radio among protestors are going to hurt us. If we do not challenge these citations, we run the risk that “Ham Radio” could become the catch phrase for any nefarious use of two-way radios. Imagine our law abiding members being questioned by people outside our community that, “Oh, you’re one of those?” after hearing that Amateur Radio was somehow involved with troublemakers. It will tarnish our image as emergency communicators and in recruiting youth through STEM programs. By not even attempting to clarify the record, it will appear that we are complicit in condoning the use of Amateur Radio frequencies for events which can lead to violence.

While I understand the hesitancy to take a proactive stance in advance of any potential trouble next week, I vehemently disagree that we should disregard existing incorrect references in mainstream media and prominent social media. The remark Vice Director Tharp heard on Rush Limbaugh should be addressed. According to several sources, the Rush Limbaugh show is heard by15.5 million listeners per week. That’s 5% of the U.S. population. If the remarks of Limbaugh’s guest host are not countered, the association of Ham Radio and illicit activity will be imbedded in listeners’ minds. What are our advertisers which manufacture HTs thinking if the public is associating their products with this movement? Wouldn’t they expect us to take a strong stand against a misleading description that this movement embraces Amateur Radio?

Not only should we have a media release ready which disavows our affiliation with these groups, but either staff should monitor and engage media personnel for a retraction and correction, or ARRL should hire a PR firm temporarily to distance ourselves. I would also recommend that we place a prominent disclaimer on the main page of our website through at least next Wednesday so anyone who may come to our website after doing a search will know that Amateur Radio is not part of an anti-government movement. Ignoring the problem will only lead to further problems for us all.

73 de Bill Morine, N2COP

Vice Director – Roanoke Division

Representing ARRL members in North Carolina, South Carolina, Virginia and West Virginia

www.arrl-roanoke.org

Facebook Page: ARRL Roanoke Division

ARRL – The National Association for Amateur Radio

From: arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org> On Behalf Of Mark J Tharp Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2021 2:31 PM To: Bob Famiglio, K3RF <RBFamiglio@verizon.net> Cc: arrl-odv <arrl-odv@arrl.org> Subject: [arrl-odv:31635] Re: Feedback - Action

The guest host for Rush Limbaugh just talked about communicating by ham radio and then said "and then you won't be able to buy a ham radio" I honestly missed the first part of the statement.

FYI.....

They say any PR is good PR, but perhaps not in this case.

Mark, HDX

On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 10:51 AM Bob Famiglio, K3RF via arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> wrote:

“It would seem a lot better to do the critical word-smithing in advance, rather than in hasty reaction to a news story whose timing we don’t control.”

Yes, Bud’s right. We might want something inventoried for various scenarios, hopefully none of which we will need. The last thing one wants to be on is an unexpected call from a legit media inquiry with a horrible headline and need comment in 1 minute or less. Someone likely is doing this already I suspect. A “Can I get back to you in 10?” usually meets with a “no – cannot do.” Or we cannot reach the reporter later. That will be reported as we had no comment by air/press time.

Bob Famiglio, K3RF

Vice Director - ARRL Atlantic Division

610-359-7300

<image001.png>

www.QRZ.com/db/K3RF

From: arrl-odv On Behalf Of Hippisley, George (Bud), W2RU, (Dir, RK) Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2021 1:13 PM To: Minster, David NA2AA (CEO) <dminster@arrl.org>; arrl-odv <arrl-odv@arrl.org> Subject: [arrl-odv:31633] Re: Feedback - Action

I agree that we do nothing outwardly at this time, but I don’t believe that should preclude us from quietly preparing a news release to have in (y)our hip pocket “just in case”. Only a few individuals need to be involved in the preparation. It would seem a lot better to do the critical word-smithing in advance, rather than in hasty reaction to a news story whose timing we don’t control.

Bud, W2RU

From: arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org> on behalf of "Minster, David NA2AA (CEO)" <dminster@arrl.org> Date: Tuesday, January 12, 2021 at 12:17 PM To: arrl-odv <arrl-odv@arrl.org> Subject: [arrl-odv:31630] Feedback - Action

From feedback I’ve received in writing and via phone, the consensus is that we do nothing.

The mechanisms for served agencies to request assistance are already in place. If they need assistance they will request it and our members will respond.

Going beyond that may spotlight the events. Our comments could cause members who wouldn’t have had a thought of getting involved to jump up and take unwelcome action.

Thanks for your fast response!

David

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To follow up, thanks to some speedy foot work from VD Morine, the statement on Rush was --- if forces were to remove Rush, he’d find a way to keep reaching his faithful listeners, even if he has to use Ham Radio, and then you won't be able to buy a ham radio No drama in that I suppose. Mark, HDX On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 2:30 PM Mark J Tharp <kb7hdx@gmail.com> wrote:

Not necessarily "worried" Mickey, I only mention it as I felt it was pertinent to the discussion. And yes, easy enough to get a transcript and find out exactly what was said.

Mark, HDX

On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 1:59 PM Mickey Baker <fishflorida@gmail.com> wrote:

...

If we are now worried about a random partial statement by an unknown guest on the Rush Limbaugh show, we need to examine our own filters. It is easy enough to listen to these shows, they're generally all recorded and available for playback.

Paranoia and hyperbole are what people expect to hear when they listen to talk radio generally.

Everyone is aware that Glenn Beck is/was a ham? As I recall, he was behind a survivalist movement that used amateur radio because someone he didn't support was elected president.

Mickey Baker, N4MB Palm Beach Gardens, FL *“The servant-leader is servant first… It begins with the natural feeling that one wants to serve, to serve first. Then conscious choice brings one to aspire to lead." Robert K. Greenleaf*

On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 4:20 PM Mark J Tharp <kb7hdx@gmail.com> wrote:

...

The first part I missed, but the quote was the quote, " and then you won't be able to buy a ham radio"

As I said, I did miss the first part, and when he said this it caught my ear.

I agree John. without having the first part it's hard to know the intent.

I was hoping another might have heard it.

I did send an email directly to Kens home station and asked about a transcript of that statement.

With my generic email address of course.

Will advise if I hear back.

Mark, HDX

On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 1:02 PM N5AUS <N5AUS@n5aus.com> wrote:

...

Does anyone actually know what the guest speaker said? Speculation is dangerous.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 12, 2021, at 2:52 PM, n2cop@ec.rr.com wrote:



Dear ODV Members:

The mounting erroneous references to the use of Ham Radio among protestors are going to hurt us. If we do not challenge these citations, we run the risk that “Ham Radio” could become the catch phrase for any nefarious use of two-way radios. Imagine our law abiding members being questioned by people outside our community that, “Oh, you’re one of those?” after hearing that Amateur Radio was somehow involved with troublemakers. It will tarnish our image as emergency communicators and in recruiting youth through STEM programs. By not even attempting to clarify the record, it will appear that we are complicit in condoning the use of Amateur Radio frequencies for events which can lead to violence.

While I understand the hesitancy to take a proactive stance in advance of any potential trouble next week, I vehemently disagree that we should disregard existing incorrect references in mainstream media and prominent social media. The remark Vice Director Tharp heard on Rush Limbaugh should be addressed. According to several sources, the Rush Limbaugh show is heard by15.5 million listeners per week. That’s 5% of the U.S. population. If the remarks of Limbaugh’s guest host are not countered, the association of Ham Radio and illicit activity will be imbedded in listeners’ minds. What are our advertisers which manufacture HTs thinking if the public is associating their products with this movement? Wouldn’t they expect us to take a strong stand against a misleading description that this movement embraces Amateur Radio?

Not only should we have a media release ready which disavows our affiliation with these groups, but either staff should monitor and engage media personnel for a retraction and correction, or ARRL should hire a PR firm temporarily to distance ourselves. I would also recommend that we place a prominent disclaimer on the main page of our website through at least next Wednesday so anyone who may come to our website after doing a search will know that Amateur Radio is not part of an anti-government movement. Ignoring the problem will only lead to further problems for us all.

73 de Bill Morine, N2COP

Vice Director – Roanoke Division

*Representing ARRL members in North Carolina, South Carolina, Virginia and West Virginia*

www.arrl-roanoke.org

Facebook Page: ARRL Roanoke Division

ARRL – The National Association for Amateur Radio

*From:* arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org> *On Behalf Of *Mark J Tharp *Sent:* Tuesday, January 12, 2021 2:31 PM *To:* Bob Famiglio, K3RF <RBFamiglio@verizon.net> *Cc:* arrl-odv <arrl-odv@arrl.org> *Subject:* [arrl-odv:31635] Re: Feedback - Action

The guest host for Rush Limbaugh just talked about communicating by ham radio and then said "and then you won't be able to buy a ham radio" I honestly missed the first part of the statement.

FYI.....

They say any PR is good PR, but perhaps not in this case.

Mark, HDX

On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 10:51 AM Bob Famiglio, K3RF via arrl-odv < arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> wrote:

*“It would seem a lot better to do the critical word-smithing in advance, rather than in hasty reaction to a news story whose timing we don’t control.”*

Yes, Bud’s right. We might want something inventoried for various scenarios, hopefully none of which we will need. The last thing one wants to be on is an unexpected call from a legit media inquiry with a horrible headline and need comment in 1 minute or less. Someone likely is doing this already I suspect. A “*Can I get back to you in 10*?” usually meets with a “*no – cannot do*.” Or we cannot reach the reporter later. That will be reported as we had no comment by air/press time.

*Bob Famiglio, K3RF*

*Vice Director - ARRL Atlantic Division*

*610-359-7300*

<image001.png>

www.QRZ.com/db/K3RF

*From:* arrl-odv *On Behalf Of *Hippisley, George (Bud), W2RU, (Dir, RK) *Sent:* Tuesday, January 12, 2021 1:13 PM *To:* Minster, David NA2AA (CEO) <dminster@arrl.org>; arrl-odv < arrl-odv@arrl.org> *Subject:* [arrl-odv:31633] Re: Feedback - Action

I agree that we do nothing *outwardly* at this time, but I don’t believe that should preclude us from *quietly* preparing a news release to have in (y)our hip pocket “just in case”. Only a few individuals need to be involved in the preparation. It would seem a lot better to do the critical word-smithing in advance, rather than in hasty reaction to a news story whose timing we don’t control.

Bud, W2RU

*From: *arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org> on behalf of "Minster, David NA2AA (CEO)" <dminster@arrl.org> *Date: *Tuesday, January 12, 2021 at 12:17 PM *To: *arrl-odv <arrl-odv@arrl.org> *Subject: *[arrl-odv:31630] Feedback - Action

From feedback I’ve received in writing and via phone, the consensus is that we do nothing.

The mechanisms for served agencies to request assistance are already in place. If they need assistance they will request it and our members will respond.

Going beyond that may spotlight the events. Our comments could cause members who wouldn’t have had a thought of getting involved to jump up and take unwelcome action.

Thanks for your fast response!

David

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He would probably be more welcome on 3885AM with his golden EIB microphone. 73 Ria N2RJ On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 6:52 PM John Robert Stratton <N5AUS@n5aus.com> wrote:

Mark

No drama, no issue and actually an endorsement of "When All Else Fails".

It was a favorable comment. The guest host done good.

Possible marketing approach: "Welcome to the 7290 Net, with guest Rush Limbaugh." 😎

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*______________________________________* On 1/12/21 5:21 PM, Mark J Tharp wrote:

To follow up, thanks to some speedy foot work from VD Morine, the statement on Rush was --- if forces were to remove Rush, he’d find a way to keep reaching his faithful listeners, even if he has to use Ham Radio, and then you won't be able to buy a ham radio

No drama in that I suppose.

Mark, HDX

On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 2:30 PM Mark J Tharp <kb7hdx@gmail.com> wrote:

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Not necessarily "worried" Mickey, I only mention it as I felt it was pertinent to the discussion. And yes, easy enough to get a transcript and find out exactly what was said.

Mark, HDX

On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 1:59 PM Mickey Baker <fishflorida@gmail.com> wrote:

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If we are now worried about a random partial statement by an unknown guest on the Rush Limbaugh show, we need to examine our own filters. It is easy enough to listen to these shows, they're generally all recorded and available for playback.

Paranoia and hyperbole are what people expect to hear when they listen to talk radio generally.

Everyone is aware that Glenn Beck is/was a ham? As I recall, he was behind a survivalist movement that used amateur radio because someone he didn't support was elected president.

Mickey Baker, N4MB Palm Beach Gardens, FL *“The servant-leader is servant first… It begins with the natural feeling that one wants to serve, to serve first. Then conscious choice brings one to aspire to lead." Robert K. Greenleaf*

On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 4:20 PM Mark J Tharp <kb7hdx@gmail.com> wrote:

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The first part I missed, but the quote was the quote, " and then you won't be able to buy a ham radio"

As I said, I did miss the first part, and when he said this it caught my ear.

I agree John. without having the first part it's hard to know the intent.

I was hoping another might have heard it.

I did send an email directly to Kens home station and asked about a transcript of that statement.

With my generic email address of course.

Will advise if I hear back.

Mark, HDX

On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 1:02 PM N5AUS <N5AUS@n5aus.com> wrote:

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Does anyone actually know what the guest speaker said? Speculation is dangerous.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 12, 2021, at 2:52 PM, n2cop@ec.rr.com wrote:



Dear ODV Members:

The mounting erroneous references to the use of Ham Radio among protestors are going to hurt us. If we do not challenge these citations, we run the risk that “Ham Radio” could become the catch phrase for any nefarious use of two-way radios. Imagine our law abiding members being questioned by people outside our community that, “Oh, you’re one of those?” after hearing that Amateur Radio was somehow involved with troublemakers. It will tarnish our image as emergency communicators and in recruiting youth through STEM programs. By not even attempting to clarify the record, it will appear that we are complicit in condoning the use of Amateur Radio frequencies for events which can lead to violence.

While I understand the hesitancy to take a proactive stance in advance of any potential trouble next week, I vehemently disagree that we should disregard existing incorrect references in mainstream media and prominent social media. The remark Vice Director Tharp heard on Rush Limbaugh should be addressed. According to several sources, the Rush Limbaugh show is heard by15.5 million listeners per week. That’s 5% of the U.S. population. If the remarks of Limbaugh’s guest host are not countered, the association of Ham Radio and illicit activity will be imbedded in listeners’ minds. What are our advertisers which manufacture HTs thinking if the public is associating their products with this movement? Wouldn’t they expect us to take a strong stand against a misleading description that this movement embraces Amateur Radio?

Not only should we have a media release ready which disavows our affiliation with these groups, but either staff should monitor and engage media personnel for a retraction and correction, or ARRL should hire a PR firm temporarily to distance ourselves. I would also recommend that we place a prominent disclaimer on the main page of our website through at least next Wednesday so anyone who may come to our website after doing a search will know that Amateur Radio is not part of an anti-government movement. Ignoring the problem will only lead to further problems for us all.

73 de Bill Morine, N2COP

Vice Director – Roanoke Division

*Representing ARRL members in North Carolina, South Carolina, Virginia and West Virginia*

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*From:* arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org> *On Behalf Of *Mark J Tharp *Sent:* Tuesday, January 12, 2021 2:31 PM *To:* Bob Famiglio, K3RF <RBFamiglio@verizon.net> *Cc:* arrl-odv <arrl-odv@arrl.org> *Subject:* [arrl-odv:31635] Re: Feedback - Action

The guest host for Rush Limbaugh just talked about communicating by ham radio and then said "and then you won't be able to buy a ham radio" I honestly missed the first part of the statement.

FYI.....

They say any PR is good PR, but perhaps not in this case.

Mark, HDX

On Tue, Jan 12, 2021 at 10:51 AM Bob Famiglio, K3RF via arrl-odv < arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> wrote:

*“It would seem a lot better to do the critical word-smithing in advance, rather than in hasty reaction to a news story whose timing we don’t control.”*

Yes, Bud’s right. We might want something inventoried for various scenarios, hopefully none of which we will need. The last thing one wants to be on is an unexpected call from a legit media inquiry with a horrible headline and need comment in 1 minute or less. Someone likely is doing this already I suspect. A “*Can I get back to you in 10*?” usually meets with a “*no – cannot do*.” Or we cannot reach the reporter later. That will be reported as we had no comment by air/press time.

*Bob Famiglio, K3RF*

*Vice Director - ARRL Atlantic Division*

*610-359-7300*

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*From:* arrl-odv *On Behalf Of *Hippisley, George (Bud), W2RU, (Dir, RK) *Sent:* Tuesday, January 12, 2021 1:13 PM *To:* Minster, David NA2AA (CEO) <dminster@arrl.org>; arrl-odv < arrl-odv@arrl.org> *Subject:* [arrl-odv:31633] Re: Feedback - Action

I agree that we do nothing *outwardly* at this time, but I don’t believe that should preclude us from *quietly* preparing a news release to have in (y)our hip pocket “just in case”. Only a few individuals need to be involved in the preparation. It would seem a lot better to do the critical word-smithing in advance, rather than in hasty reaction to a news story whose timing we don’t control.

Bud, W2RU

*From: *arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org> on behalf of "Minster, David NA2AA (CEO)" <dminster@arrl.org> *Date: *Tuesday, January 12, 2021 at 12:17 PM *To: *arrl-odv <arrl-odv@arrl.org> *Subject: *[arrl-odv:31630] Feedback - Action

From feedback I’ve received in writing and via phone, the consensus is that we do nothing.

The mechanisms for served agencies to request assistance are already in place. If they need assistance they will request it and our members will respond.

Going beyond that may spotlight the events. Our comments could cause members who wouldn’t have had a thought of getting involved to jump up and take unwelcome action.

Thanks for your fast response!

David

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