[arrl-odv:29605] Managing band planning comments
Folks, I'm getting a few more comments along the lines of Mike Ritz' comments below. AA6YQ pointed out to me that the Communications committee last fall set up some groups, one being concerned with regulatory action - which could serve as a model, that would accomplish what folks seem to want, and would, in his opinion (since he has participated in doing this) be done in very little time, though I realize that time estimates like this are pretty subjective. We could leave the group up indefinitely if we wish - folks seem to want to vent about band plans. The hardest part might finding a moderator. Dave volunteered - whether he is the best person to do this, given his strong opinions on the matter, is another question. Barry, Diane - Is someone looking into this or something like it as a short term (next few days) possibility? I thought I saw something from someone on staff Thursday (or maybe yesterday) on the subject. Please let me know. Thanks,MikeK1TWF Mike Raisbeck k1twf@arrl.net -----Original Message----- From: Henderson, Dan N1ND <dhenderson@arrl.org> To: Jairam, Ria, N2RJ, (Dir, HD) <rjairam@gmail.com>; Ritz, Mike, W7VO, (Dir, NW) <w7vo@comcast.net> Cc: arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> Sent: Thu, Feb 6, 2020 12:25 pm Subject: [arrl-odv:29573] Re: Comments on band planning efforts #yiv8897170128 -- filtered {}#yiv8897170128 filtered {}#yiv8897170128 filtered {}#yiv8897170128 p.yiv8897170128MsoNormal, #yiv8897170128 li.yiv8897170128MsoNormal, #yiv8897170128 div.yiv8897170128MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv8897170128 a:link, #yiv8897170128 span.yiv8897170128MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv8897170128 a:visited, #yiv8897170128 span.yiv8897170128MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv8897170128 p.yiv8897170128msonormal0, #yiv8897170128 li.yiv8897170128msonormal0, #yiv8897170128 div.yiv8897170128msonormal0 {margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv8897170128 span.yiv8897170128EmailStyle18 {font-family:New serif;color:windowtext;}#yiv8897170128 .yiv8897170128MsoChpDefault {font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv8897170128 filtered {}#yiv8897170128 div.yiv8897170128WordSection1 {}#yiv8897170128 If I may interject… A group of its own, moderated by someone involved in the process seems to be the most appropriate place – Band Planning group with members of the committee as moderators? Dan Henderson, N1ND Assistant Secretary – American Radio Relay League, Inc. Regulatory Information Manager ARRL, the national association for Amateur Radio ® 860-594-0236 dhenderson@arrl.org From: arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org> On Behalf Of rjairam@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, February 6, 2020 12:22 PM To: Ritz, Mike, W7VO, (Dir, NW) <w7vo@comcast.net> Cc: arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> Subject: [arrl-odv:29570] Re: Comments on band planning efforts I’m in for a groups.io as well. What is the reason for 2 weeks versus a longer comment period? Ria N2RJ On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 12:10 PM Michael Ritz <w7vo@comcast.net> wrote: Members are complaining to me that they cannot view any of the comments that are coming in regarding the new digital band plan. It appears to them that comments are going into a non-transparent black hole. I can't even see them, which doesn't help any. Question 1: How do we on the Board, and especially us members of the Band Planning committee see the comments that are coming in via the website? Question 2: Is it possible to set up a "Groups IO- Band Planning" social media platform also? As a member of the committee I will volunteer to moderate it, (with the committee chairman's permission of course), and I'm sure others will volunteer also. Thanks! 73; Mike W7VO _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv
Mike: As of this morning no one on staff was working on setting up a discussion group for band planning as the Committee and Board had agreed on the procedures which were announced in the story already posted. I agree with the comments made earlier than a change in the process at this point might be confusing. Having said that, I'll have someone begin looking into what it would take to set it up. My recommendation for a moderator would be someone from the Band Plan Committee. And just so I'm clear on this...I don't believe a discussion group is going to meet what I believe was the Board's intention to have the emails sorted and distributed to everyone. Wouldn't everyone have to either sign up for or look into the postings on the discussion group to see the input from the membership? Finally, your comment about staff input was just an opinion from Dan Henderson that it sounded like a good idea. I can't say that he was speaking for the staff on that one. I'm traveling today due to a long standing personal commitment but will be on email periodically to follow up on the issue. 73, Barry, N1VXY Sent from my Verizon Motorola Smartphone On Feb 7, 2020 8:17 AM, Mike Raisbeck <vze18vwgu@verizon.net> wrote: Folks, I'm getting a few more comments along the lines of Mike Ritz' comments below. AA6YQ pointed out to me that the Communications committee last fall set up some groups, one being concerned with regulatory action - which could serve as a model, that would accomplish what folks seem to want, and would, in his opinion (since he has participated in doing this) be done in very little time, though I realize that time estimates like this are pretty subjective. We could leave the group up indefinitely if we wish - folks seem to want to vent about band plans. The hardest part might finding a moderator. Dave volunteered - whether he is the best person to do this, given his strong opinions on the matter, is another question. Barry, Diane - Is someone looking into this or something like it as a short term (next few days) possibility? I thought I saw something from someone on staff Thursday (or maybe yesterday) on the subject. Please let me know. Thanks, Mike K1TWF Mike Raisbeck k1twf@arrl.net<mailto:k1twf@arrl.net> -----Original Message----- From: Henderson, Dan N1ND <dhenderson@arrl.org> To: Jairam, Ria, N2RJ, (Dir, HD) <rjairam@gmail.com>; Ritz, Mike, W7VO, (Dir, NW) <w7vo@comcast.net> Cc: arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> Sent: Thu, Feb 6, 2020 12:25 pm Subject: [arrl-odv:29573] Re: Comments on band planning efforts If I may interject… A group of its own, moderated by someone involved in the process seems to be the most appropriate place – Band Planning group with members of the committee as moderators? Dan Henderson, N1ND Assistant Secretary – American Radio Relay League, Inc. Regulatory Information Manager ARRL, the national association for Amateur Radio ® 860-594-0236 dhenderson@arrl.org<mailto:dhenderson@arrl.org> From: arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org> On Behalf Of rjairam@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, February 6, 2020 12:22 PM To: Ritz, Mike, W7VO, (Dir, NW) <w7vo@comcast.net> Cc: arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> Subject: [arrl-odv:29570] Re: Comments on band planning efforts I’m in for a groups.io<http://groups.io> as well. What is the reason for 2 weeks versus a longer comment period? Ria N2RJ On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 12:10 PM Michael Ritz <w7vo@comcast.net<mailto:w7vo@comcast.net>> wrote: Members are complaining to me that they cannot view any of the comments that are coming in regarding the new digital band plan. It appears to them that comments are going into a non-transparent black hole. I can't even see them, which doesn't help any. Question 1: How do we on the Board, and especially us members of the Band Planning committee see the comments that are coming in via the website? Question 2: Is it possible to set up a "Groups IO- Band Planning" social media platform also? As a member of the committee I will volunteer to moderate it, (with the committee chairman's permission of course), and I'm sure others will volunteer also. Thanks! 73; Mike W7VO _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org<mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org<mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv
Hi Barry, I fully understand. Do what you can. The wolves are beginning to howl, and I'm not sure it's worth the fight to insist on only the one-way mechanism. Thanks,Mikek1twf Mike Raisbeck k1twf@arrl.net -----Original Message----- From: Shelley, Barry, N1VXY (CEO) <bshelley@arrl.org> To: vze18vwgu@verizon.net <vze18vwgu@verizon.net> Cc: Jairam, Ria, N2RJ, (Dir, HD) <rjairam@gmail.com>; Ritz, Mike, W7VO, (Dir, NW) <w7vo@comcast.net>; Henderson, Dan N1ND <dhenderson@arrl.org>; arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org>; Middleton, Diane, W2DLM (CFO) <dmiddleton@arrl.org> Sent: Fri, Feb 7, 2020 9:27 am Subject: Re: Managing band planning comments Mike: As of this morning no one on staff was working on setting up a discussion group for band planning as the Committee and Board had agreed on the procedures which were announced in the story already posted. I agree with the comments made earlier than a change in the process at this point might be confusing. Having said that, I'll have someone begin looking into what it would take to set it up. My recommendation for a moderator would be someone from the Band Plan Committee. And just so I'm clear on this...I don't believe a discussion group is going to meet what I believe was the Board's intention to have the emails sorted and distributed to everyone. Wouldn't everyone have to either sign up for or look into the postings on the discussion group to see the input from the membership? Finally, your comment about staff input was just an opinion from Dan Henderson that it sounded like a good idea. I can't say that he was speaking for the staff on that one. I'm traveling today due to a long standing personal commitment but will be on email periodically to follow up on the issue. 73,Barry, N1VXY Sent from my Verizon Motorola SmartphoneOn Feb 7, 2020 8:17 AM, Mike Raisbeck <vze18vwgu@verizon.net> wrote: Folks, I'm getting a few more comments along the lines of Mike Ritz' comments below. AA6YQ pointed out to me that the Communications committee last fall set up some groups, one being concerned with regulatory action - which could serve as a model, that would accomplish what folks seem to want, and would, in his opinion (since he has participated in doing this) be done in very little time, though I realize that time estimates like this are pretty subjective. We could leave the group up indefinitely if we wish - folks seem to want to vent about band plans. The hardest part might finding a moderator. Dave volunteered - whether he is the best person to do this, given his strong opinions on the matter, is another question. Barry, Diane - Is someone looking into this or something like it as a short term (next few days) possibility? I thought I saw something from someone on staff Thursday (or maybe yesterday) on the subject. Please let me know. Thanks,MikeK1TWF Mike Raisbeck k1twf@arrl.net -----Original Message----- From: Henderson, Dan N1ND <dhenderson@arrl.org> To: Jairam, Ria, N2RJ, (Dir, HD) <rjairam@gmail.com>; Ritz, Mike, W7VO, (Dir, NW) <w7vo@comcast.net> Cc: arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> Sent: Thu, Feb 6, 2020 12:25 pm Subject: [arrl-odv:29573] Re: Comments on band planning efforts #yiv6757709674 #yiv6757709674 -- p.yiv6757709674MsoNormal, #yiv6757709674 li.yiv6757709674MsoNormal, #yiv6757709674 div.yiv6757709674MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;} #yiv6757709674 a:link, #yiv6757709674 span.yiv6757709674MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;} #yiv6757709674 a:visited, #yiv6757709674 span.yiv6757709674MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple;text-decoration:underline;} #yiv6757709674 p.yiv6757709674msonormal0, #yiv6757709674 li.yiv6757709674msonormal0, #yiv6757709674 div.yiv6757709674msonormal0 {margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;} #yiv6757709674 span.yiv6757709674EmailStyle18 {font-family:New serif;color:windowtext;} #yiv6757709674 .yiv6757709674MsoChpDefault {font-family:sans-serif;} #yiv6757709674 If I may interject… A group of its own, moderated by someone involved in the process seems to be the most appropriate place – Band Planning group with members of the committee as moderators? Dan Henderson, N1NDAssistant Secretary – American Radio Relay League, Inc.Regulatory Information Manager ARRL, the national association for Amateur Radio ®860-594-0236dhenderson@arrl.org From: arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org>On Behalf Of rjairam@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, February 6, 2020 12:22 PM To: Ritz, Mike, W7VO, (Dir, NW) <w7vo@comcast.net> Cc: arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> Subject: [arrl-odv:29570] Re: Comments on band planning efforts I’m in for a groups.io as well. What is the reason for 2 weeks versus a longer comment period? RiaN2RJ On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 12:10 PM Michael Ritz <w7vo@comcast.net> wrote: Members are complaining to me that they cannot view any of the comments that are coming in regarding the new digital band plan. It appears to them that comments are going into a non-transparent black hole. I can't even see them, which doesn't help any. Question 1: How do we on the Board, and especially us members of the Band Planning committee see the comments that are coming in via the website? Question 2: Is it possible to set up a "Groups IO- Band Planning" social media platform also? As a member of the committee I will volunteer to moderate it, (with the committee chairman's permission of course), and I'm sure others will volunteer also. Thanks! 73; Mike W7VO _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv
Hi Barry, I fully understand. Do what you can. The wolves are beginning to howl, and I'm not sure it's worth the fight to insist on only the one-way mechanism. Thanks,Mikek1twf Mike Raisbeck k1twf@arrl.net -----Original Message----- From: Shelley, Barry, N1VXY (CEO) <bshelley@arrl.org> To: vze18vwgu@verizon.net <vze18vwgu@verizon.net> Cc: Ritz, Mike, W7VO, (Dir, NW) <w7vo@comcast.net>; arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> Sent: Fri, Feb 7, 2020 9:27 am Subject: [arrl-odv:29606] Re: Managing band planning comments Mike: As of this morning no one on staff was working on setting up a discussion group for band planning as the Committee and Board had agreed on the procedures which were announced in the story already posted. I agree with the comments made earlier than a change in the process at this point might be confusing. Having said that, I'll have someone begin looking into what it would take to set it up. My recommendation for a moderator would be someone from the Band Plan Committee. And just so I'm clear on this...I don't believe a discussion group is going to meet what I believe was the Board's intention to have the emails sorted and distributed to everyone. Wouldn't everyone have to either sign up for or look into the postings on the discussion group to see the input from the membership? Finally, your comment about staff input was just an opinion from Dan Henderson that it sounded like a good idea. I can't say that he was speaking for the staff on that one. I'm traveling today due to a long standing personal commitment but will be on email periodically to follow up on the issue. 73,Barry, N1VXY Sent from my Verizon Motorola SmartphoneOn Feb 7, 2020 8:17 AM, Mike Raisbeck <vze18vwgu@verizon.net> wrote: Folks, I'm getting a few more comments along the lines of Mike Ritz' comments below. AA6YQ pointed out to me that the Communications committee last fall set up some groups, one being concerned with regulatory action - which could serve as a model, that would accomplish what folks seem to want, and would, in his opinion (since he has participated in doing this) be done in very little time, though I realize that time estimates like this are pretty subjective. We could leave the group up indefinitely if we wish - folks seem to want to vent about band plans. The hardest part might finding a moderator. Dave volunteered - whether he is the best person to do this, given his strong opinions on the matter, is another question. Barry, Diane - Is someone looking into this or something like it as a short term (next few days) possibility? I thought I saw something from someone on staff Thursday (or maybe yesterday) on the subject. Please let me know. Thanks,MikeK1TWF Mike Raisbeck k1twf@arrl.net -----Original Message----- From: Henderson, Dan N1ND <dhenderson@arrl.org> To: Jairam, Ria, N2RJ, (Dir, HD) <rjairam@gmail.com>; Ritz, Mike, W7VO, (Dir, NW) <w7vo@comcast.net> Cc: arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> Sent: Thu, Feb 6, 2020 12:25 pm Subject: [arrl-odv:29573] Re: Comments on band planning efforts #yiv5604516729 #yiv5604516729 -- p.yiv5604516729MsoNormal, #yiv5604516729 li.yiv5604516729MsoNormal, #yiv5604516729 div.yiv5604516729MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;} #yiv5604516729 a:link, #yiv5604516729 span.yiv5604516729MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;} #yiv5604516729 a:visited, #yiv5604516729 span.yiv5604516729MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple;text-decoration:underline;} #yiv5604516729 p.yiv5604516729msonormal0, #yiv5604516729 li.yiv5604516729msonormal0, #yiv5604516729 div.yiv5604516729msonormal0 {margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;} #yiv5604516729 span.yiv5604516729EmailStyle18 {font-family:New serif;color:windowtext;} #yiv5604516729 .yiv5604516729MsoChpDefault {font-family:sans-serif;} #yiv5604516729 If I may interject… A group of its own, moderated by someone involved in the process seems to be the most appropriate place – Band Planning group with members of the committee as moderators? Dan Henderson, N1NDAssistant Secretary – American Radio Relay League, Inc.Regulatory Information Manager ARRL, the national association for Amateur Radio ®860-594-0236dhenderson@arrl.org From: arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org>On Behalf Of rjairam@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, February 6, 2020 12:22 PM To: Ritz, Mike, W7VO, (Dir, NW) <w7vo@comcast.net> Cc: arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> Subject: [arrl-odv:29570] Re: Comments on band planning efforts I’m in for a groups.io as well. What is the reason for 2 weeks versus a longer comment period? RiaN2RJ On Thu, Feb 6, 2020 at 12:10 PM Michael Ritz <w7vo@comcast.net> wrote: Members are complaining to me that they cannot view any of the comments that are coming in regarding the new digital band plan. It appears to them that comments are going into a non-transparent black hole. I can't even see them, which doesn't help any. Question 1: How do we on the Board, and especially us members of the Band Planning committee see the comments that are coming in via the website? Question 2: Is it possible to set up a "Groups IO- Band Planning" social media platform also? As a member of the committee I will volunteer to moderate it, (with the committee chairman's permission of course), and I'm sure others will volunteer also. Thanks! 73; Mike W7VO _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv
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