[arrl-odv:33672] National Hurricane Conference YouTube Video
This occurred with no notice to me nor the field organization in the Southeastern Division where the National Hurricane Center resides and many destructive hurricanes occur, here is the Amateur Radio track of the National Hurricane Conference. The ARRL and ARES are grossly underrepresented in this track. How is this led by someone who is the leader of the National Hurricane VoIP net? “When all else fails” means that the Internet is not likely operational, IMHO. Ken Bailey’s preso starts at 3:25:10, some someone at HQ knew. https://youtu.be/sTKJz9FpSAs?t=12305 -- Mickey Baker, N4MB Director, Southeastern Division ARRL, The National Association for Amateur Radio® Phone (561) 320-2775 Email: n4mb@arrl.org
I agree with you Mickey! I found it interesting that the local ham EMCOMM group in my county, (they gave up on Oregon ARES), is now using the Slack phone app to coordinate during training exercises, and is an official part of their "phone tree" in case of an emergency. What really makes this laughable is that the cell tower closest to my house is connected to the internet solely through a Comcast copper cable line, just the same as my house. There is a single fiber that brings the signal over the mountain from Beaverton, OR, about 30 miles away. If a car or truck hits a pole anywhere along that route and knocks out Comcast, there goes my internet, and my cell service also. There is no redundancy on the Comcast fiber line. "If all else fails" does mean "amateur radio", not relying on the internet! ;-) 73; Mike W7VO
On 04/20/2022 9:12 AM Baker, Mickey, N4MB (Dir, SE) <mbaker@arrl.org> wrote:
This occurred with no notice to me nor the field organization in the Southeastern Division where the National Hurricane Center resides and many destructive hurricanes occur, here is the Amateur Radio track of the National Hurricane Conference.
The ARRL and ARES are grossly underrepresented in this track.
How is this led by someone who is the leader of the National Hurricane VoIP net? “When all else fails” means that the Internet is not likely operational, IMHO.
Ken Bailey’s preso starts at 3:25:10, some someone at HQ knew.
https://youtu.be/sTKJz9FpSAs?t=12305
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Mickey Baker, N4MB
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ARRL, The National Association for Amateur Radio®
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Email: n4mb@arrl.org
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ARDC started out to establish an amateur Internet backbone structure That’s viable in many areas, but our training and general direction as amateurs does little to prepare us to design and build out line-of-sight links and use TCP/IP! I could find no help for this when I tried to initiate a SE Florida backbone - an urban area with 10M people! And I still have the sites! And yes, this is ham radio, too! Mickey N4MB Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> ________________________________ From: arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org> on behalf of Michael Ritz <w7vo@comcast.net> Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2022 2:53:00 PM To: arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> Subject: [arrl-odv:33673] Re: National Hurricane Conference YouTube Video I agree with you Mickey! I found it interesting that the local ham EMCOMM group in my county, (they gave up on Oregon ARES), is now using the Slack phone app to coordinate during training exercises, and is an official part of their "phone tree" in case of an emergency. What really makes this laughable is that the cell tower closest to my house is connected to the internet solely through a Comcast copper cable line, just the same as my house. There is a single fiber that brings the signal over the mountain from Beaverton, OR, about 30 miles away. If a car or truck hits a pole anywhere along that route and knocks out Comcast, there goes my internet, and my cell service also. There is no redundancy on the Comcast fiber line. "If all else fails" does mean "amateur radio", not relying on the internet! ;-) 73; Mike W7VO On 04/20/2022 9:12 AM Baker, Mickey, N4MB (Dir, SE) <mbaker@arrl.org> wrote: This occurred with no notice to me nor the field organization in the Southeastern Division where the National Hurricane Center resides and many destructive hurricanes occur, here is the Amateur Radio track of the National Hurricane Conference. The ARRL and ARES are grossly underrepresented in this track. How is this led by someone who is the leader of the National Hurricane VoIP net? “When all else fails” means that the Internet is not likely operational, IMHO. Ken Bailey’s preso starts at 3:25:10, some someone at HQ knew. https://youtu.be/sTKJz9FpSAs?t=12305 -- Mickey Baker, N4MB Director, Southeastern Division ARRL, The National Association for Amateur Radio® Phone (561) 320-2775 Email: n4mb@arrl.org _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv
Mike and Mickey Mickey, you are correct that both the ARRL and ARES are /*grossly */underrepresented in this presentation. Ken Bailey states, in his presentation, "this is a disaster." It sums up his presentation in full. His presentation was embarrassing — at multiple levels. We represent that we are, as an emergency communications response organization, a reliably competent organization. There was no evidence to support that representation in Bailey's presentation. Why was an employee with NO presentation skills or "presence" permitted to represent the League? Ken Bailey is not a bad man and he has been a loyal and valued employee for some time, but he clearly has no presentation skills and based on his comments, is woefully uninformed on certain programs. Someone so lacking and so uninformed should never be the "face" of the ARRL. Just one example of carelessness in Bailey's presentation: "Messing handling" was one of the Powerpoint entries. How much effort does it require to conduct a basic spell check? Mickey, as to internet backbones for linked repeaters, there is expertise available, as such amateur radio systems do exist. If you wish introductions, it would be my pleasure to assist. But, as Mike pointed out, internet connections, while useful, don't equate to "when all else fails." ______________________________________ John Robert Stratton N5AUS Director West Gulf Division Office:512-445-6262 Cell:512-426-2028 P.O. Box 2232 Austin, Texas 78768-2232 *______________________________________* On 4/20/22 2:00 PM, Baker, Mickey, N4MB (Dir, SE) wrote:
Mickey N4MB
As we found out with the Camp Fire in the Sierra Foothills, there was only one fiber optic link for the entire area around Paradise, CA, and that was down within an hour of the fire starting. Check out Alan Thompson, N6WN, on QSO Today and elsewhere to hear details of how that went down. We have a number of mesh projects going on in Northern California with the aim of having robust emergency digital communications throughout the area. One of the main groups doing this just received an ARDC grant. https://www.ampr.org/grants/grant-support-for-north-bay-area-mesh/ There is almost no ARRL involvement in this, other than me encouraging them and having written a letter of support for their grant proposal. Ordinary internet infrastructure clearly will not survive anything major. We’ve also had key fiber links cut in San Jose under mysterious circumstances, taking down connectivity for millions. So it’s not just for rural areas either. On Apr 20, 2022, at 11:53 AM, Michael Ritz <w7vo@comcast.net<mailto:w7vo@comcast.net>> wrote: I agree with you Mickey! I found it interesting that the local ham EMCOMM group in my county, (they gave up on Oregon ARES), is now using the Slack phone app to coordinate during training exercises, and is an official part of their "phone tree" in case of an emergency. What really makes this laughable is that the cell tower closest to my house is connected to the internet solely through a Comcast copper cable line, just the same as my house. There is a single fiber that brings the signal over the mountain from Beaverton, OR, about 30 miles away. If a car or truck hits a pole anywhere along that route and knocks out Comcast, there goes my internet, and my cell service also. There is no redundancy on the Comcast fiber line. "If all else fails" does mean "amateur radio", not relying on the internet! ;-) 73; Mike W7VO On 04/20/2022 9:12 AM Baker, Mickey, N4MB (Dir, SE) <mbaker@arrl.org<mailto:mbaker@arrl.org>> wrote: This occurred with no notice to me nor the field organization in the Southeastern Division where the National Hurricane Center resides and many destructive hurricanes occur, here is the Amateur Radio track of the National Hurricane Conference. The ARRL and ARES are grossly underrepresented in this track. How is this led by someone who is the leader of the National Hurricane VoIP net? “When all else fails” means that the Internet is not likely operational, IMHO. Ken Bailey’s preso starts at 3:25:10, some someone at HQ knew. https://youtu.be/sTKJz9FpSAs?t=12305 -- Mickey Baker, N4MB Director, Southeastern Division ARRL, The National Association for Amateur Radio® Phone (561) 320-2775 Email: n4mb@arrl.org<mailto:n4mb@arrl.org> _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org<mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org<mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv -Kristen (K6WX) "Your eyes ... it's a day's work just looking into them" Laurie Anderson (--... ...-- -.. . -.- -.... .-- -..-)
As Mickey correctly points out no one in SE nor Delta nor West Gulf was informed of this conference. Traditionally the NHC has been held in the alternating locations of Miami and New Orleans and I usually attend with the LA and MS Section leadership. We had no invitation this year. I realize the pandemic changed things in 2020 and 2021, but we are well past that now in LA and I assume also in SFL. Reliance on a weak internet link in a major disaster is simply another disaster waiting to compound on an already bad situation as some of you aptly point out. 73 David A. Norris, K5UZ Director, Delta Division Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 20, 2022, at 4:11 PM, Kristen McIntyre <kristen@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
As we found out with the Camp Fire in the Sierra Foothills, there was only one fiber optic link for the entire area around Paradise, CA, and that was down within an hour of the fire starting. Check out Alan Thompson, N6WN, on QSO Today and elsewhere to hear details of how that went down.
We have a number of mesh projects going on in Northern California with the aim of having robust emergency digital communications throughout the area. One of the main groups doing this just received an ARDC grant.
https://www.ampr.org/grants/grant-support-for-north-bay-area-mesh/
There is almost no ARRL involvement in this, other than me encouraging them and having written a letter of support for their grant proposal.
Ordinary internet infrastructure clearly will not survive anything major. We’ve also had key fiber links cut in San Jose under mysterious circumstances, taking down connectivity for millions. So it’s not just for rural areas either.
On Apr 20, 2022, at 11:53 AM, Michael Ritz <w7vo@comcast.net> wrote:
I agree with you Mickey!
I found it interesting that the local ham EMCOMM group in my county, (they gave up on Oregon ARES), is now using the Slack phone app to coordinate during training exercises, and is an official part of their "phone tree" in case of an emergency.
What really makes this laughable is that the cell tower closest to my house is connected to the internet solely through a Comcast copper cable line, just the same as my house. There is a single fiber that brings the signal over the mountain from Beaverton, OR, about 30 miles away. If a car or truck hits a pole anywhere along that route and knocks out Comcast, there goes my internet, and my cell service also. There is no redundancy on the Comcast fiber line. "If all else fails" does mean "amateur radio", not relying on the internet! ;-)
73; Mike W7VO On 04/20/2022 9:12 AM Baker, Mickey, N4MB (Dir, SE) <mbaker@arrl.org> wrote:
This occurred with no notice to me nor the field organization in the Southeastern Division where the National Hurricane Center resides and many destructive hurricanes occur, here is the Amateur Radio track of the National Hurricane Conference.
The ARRL and ARES are grossly underrepresented in this track.
How is this led by someone who is the leader of the National Hurricane VoIP net? “When all else fails” means that the Internet is not likely operational, IMHO.
Ken Bailey’s preso starts at 3:25:10, some someone at HQ knew.
https://youtu.be/sTKJz9FpSAs?t=12305
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Mickey Baker, N4MB
Director, Southeastern Division
ARRL, The National Association for Amateur Radio®
Phone (561) 320-2775
Email: n4mb@arrl.org
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I remember seeing something on this conference a couple of times. The below was sent out by Rob Macedo to the SEC reflector and, I am pretty sure I saw something elsewhere on it (Website?). Rob is SEC for Massachusetts. And there was also mention in the April 7th ARRL newsletter. Rob Macedo, KD1CY kd1cy.rob@gmail.com via <https://support.google.com/mail/answer/1311182?hl=en> groups.io Sun, Apr 10, 7:17 AM (10 days ago) to main Hello to all... On Monday 4/11/22, there will be the Virtual Amateur Radio Workshop for the 2022 National Hurricane Conference. The sessions will run between 1030 AM-1200 PM EDT, 130-300 PM EDT, and 330-500 PM EDT. The details on the presenters and presentation topics and Zoom dial-in details can be found here: http://voipwx.net/2022/04/02/2022-national-hurricane-conference-virtual-amat... We will be recording the session and uploading it to Youtube as well. We look forward to seeing folks who can attend our virtual workshop. 73,Rob-KD1CY. Director of Operations for the VoIP Hurricane Net Eastern Massachusetts ARES Section Emergency Coordinator & SKYWARN Coordinator
From Newsletter:
- *Members of the Amateur Radio National Weather Service Boston/Norton SKYWARN team* will be presenting at the 2022 National Hurricane Conference Virtual Amateur Radio Workshop on Monday April 11, 2022, from 10:30 AM - 12:00 PM EDT and 1:30 - 5:00 PM EDT. The workshop topics, and Zoom information are available from the team website <http://wx1box.org/2022/04/02/special-announcement-2022-national-hurricane-conference-virtual-amateur-radio-workshop-monday-april-11th-2022-workshop-topics-and-zoom-information/>. The workshop will also be recorded and posted to YouTube. On Wed, Apr 20, 2022 at 4:33 PM David Norris via arrl-odv < arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> wrote:
As Mickey correctly points out no one in SE nor Delta nor West Gulf was informed of this conference. Traditionally the NHC has been held in the alternating locations of Miami and New Orleans and I usually attend with the LA and MS Section leadership. We had no invitation this year. I realize the pandemic changed things in 2020 and 2021, but we are well past that now in LA and I assume also in SFL.
Reliance on a weak internet link in a major disaster is simply another disaster waiting to compound on an already bad situation as some of you aptly point out.
73
David A. Norris, K5UZ Director, Delta Division
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 20, 2022, at 4:11 PM, Kristen McIntyre <kristen@alum.mit.edu> wrote:
As we found out with the Camp Fire in the Sierra Foothills, there was only one fiber optic link for the entire area around Paradise, CA, and that was down within an hour of the fire starting. Check out Alan Thompson, N6WN, on QSO Today and elsewhere to hear details of how that went down.
We have a number of mesh projects going on in Northern California with the aim of having robust emergency digital communications throughout the area. One of the main groups doing this just received an ARDC grant.
https://www.ampr.org/grants/grant-support-for-north-bay-area-mesh/
There is almost no ARRL involvement in this, other than me encouraging them and having written a letter of support for their grant proposal.
Ordinary internet infrastructure clearly will not survive anything major. We’ve also had key fiber links cut in San Jose under mysterious circumstances, taking down connectivity for millions. So it’s not just for rural areas either.
On Apr 20, 2022, at 11:53 AM, Michael Ritz <w7vo@comcast.net> wrote:
I agree with you Mickey!
I found it interesting that the local ham EMCOMM group in my county, (they gave up on Oregon ARES), is now using the Slack phone app to coordinate during training exercises, and is an official part of their "phone tree" in case of an emergency.
What really makes this laughable is that the cell tower closest to my house is connected to the internet solely through a Comcast copper cable line, just the same as my house. There is a single fiber that brings the signal over the mountain from Beaverton, OR, about 30 miles away. If a car or truck hits a pole anywhere along that route and knocks out Comcast, there goes my internet, and my cell service also. There is no redundancy on the Comcast fiber line. "If all else fails" does mean "amateur radio", not relying on the internet! ;-)
73; Mike W7VO
On 04/20/2022 9:12 AM Baker, Mickey, N4MB (Dir, SE) <mbaker@arrl.org> wrote:
This occurred with no notice to me nor the field organization in the Southeastern Division where the National Hurricane Center resides and many destructive hurricanes occur, here is the Amateur Radio track of the National Hurricane Conference.
The ARRL and ARES are grossly underrepresented in this track.
How is this led by someone who is the leader of the National Hurricane VoIP net? “When all else fails” means that the Internet is not likely operational, IMHO.
Ken Bailey’s preso starts at 3:25:10, some someone at HQ knew.
https://youtu.be/sTKJz9FpSAs?t=12305
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*Mickey Baker, N4MB*
*Director, Southeastern Division*
*ARRL,* *The National Association for Amateur Radio®*
Phone (561) 320-2775
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participants (6)
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Baker, Mickey, N4MB (Dir, SE) -
David Norris -
John Robert Stratton -
Kristen McIntyre -
Lee Cooper -
Michael Ritz