As Mickey correctly points out no one in SE nor Delta nor West Gulf was informed of this conference. Traditionally the NHC has been held in the alternating locations of Miami and New Orleans and I usually attend with the LA and MS Section leadership. We had no invitation this year. I realize the pandemic changed things in 2020 and 2021, but we are well past that now in LA and I assume also in SFL. 

Reliance on a weak internet link in a major disaster is simply another disaster waiting to compound on an already bad situation as some of you aptly point out. 

73 

David A. Norris, K5UZ
Director, Delta Division

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On Apr 20, 2022, at 4:11 PM, Kristen McIntyre <kristen@alum.mit.edu> wrote:

 As we found out with the Camp Fire in the Sierra Foothills, there was only one fiber optic link for the entire area around Paradise, CA, and that was down within an hour of the fire starting.  Check out Alan Thompson, N6WN, on QSO Today and elsewhere to hear details of how that went down.

We have a number of mesh projects going on in Northern California with the aim of having robust emergency digital communications throughout the area.  One of the main groups doing this just received an ARDC grant.

https://www.ampr.org/grants/grant-support-for-north-bay-area-mesh/

There is almost no ARRL involvement in this, other than me encouraging them and having written a letter of support for their grant proposal.

Ordinary internet infrastructure clearly will not survive anything major.  We’ve also had key fiber links cut in San Jose under mysterious circumstances, taking down connectivity for millions.  So it’s not just for rural areas either.

On Apr 20, 2022, at 11:53 AM, Michael Ritz <w7vo@comcast.net> wrote:

I agree with you Mickey! 

I found it interesting that the local ham EMCOMM group in my county, (they gave up on Oregon ARES), is now using the Slack phone app to coordinate during training exercises, and is an official part of their "phone tree" in case of an emergency.

What really makes this laughable is that the cell tower closest to my house is connected to the internet solely through a Comcast copper cable line, just the same as my house. There is a single fiber that brings the signal over the mountain from Beaverton, OR, about 30 miles away. If a car or truck hits a pole anywhere along that route and knocks out Comcast, there goes my internet, and my cell service also. There is no redundancy on the Comcast fiber line. "If all else fails" does mean "amateur radio", not relying on the internet! ;-) 

73;
Mike
W7VO 
On 04/20/2022 9:12 AM Baker, Mickey, N4MB (Dir, SE) <mbaker@arrl.org> wrote:


This occurred with no notice to me nor the field organization in the Southeastern Division where the National Hurricane Center resides and many destructive hurricanes occur, here is the Amateur Radio track of the National Hurricane Conference.

 

The ARRL and ARES are grossly underrepresented in this track.

 

How is this led by someone who is the leader of the National Hurricane VoIP net? “When all else fails” means that the Internet is not likely operational, IMHO.

 

Ken Bailey’s preso starts at 3:25:10, some someone at HQ knew.

 

https://youtu.be/sTKJz9FpSAs?t=12305

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