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[arrl-odv:19435] New Divisions page LIVE
by Kramer, Harold, WJ1B 15 Oct '10

15 Oct '10

The new Divisions page is now live. We incorporated Greg's suggestions and updated some other information as requested. Thanks for your help. http://www.arrl.org/divisions 73, Harold

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[arrl-odv:19434] Re:RE: New Division Information Page -PSE Review
by Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ 14 Oct '10

14 Oct '10

Bob, it works fine for me from home. Using both IE 7 and Firefox 3.6.10 I get taken right to your smiling face. Dave K1ZZ ________________________________ From: Bob Vallio [mailto:rbvallio@gmail.com] Sent: Thu 10/14/2010 10:59 PM To: arrl-odv Cc: arrl-odv; Glass, Katie, KB1ULQ Subject: [arrl-odv:19432] Re: New Division Information Page -PSE Review So, what happened to the link to the Pacific Division website <pdarrl.org <http://pdarrl.org/> >? Does anyone check their work before going live with it??? Bob Vallio -- W6RGG On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 6:37 AM, Kramer, Harold, WJ1B <wj1b(a)arrl.org> wrote: Hi, Here is a link to the new Division information page that we have put together. This page is for "public" view. We changed the page based on feedback from members. Its presentation has been modified from the current page to let the user find the information easier and faster. Please review it and let Katie Glass know if there any corrections or revisions. http://www.arrl.org/divisions-new This page will replace the current page located here: http://www.arrl.org/divisions We plan to make the new page live Friday morning Also, if you have not added your picture to your profile, we would appreciate it if you do so. We have most of your photos here so we can add them for you but you would have to contact Katie. If you want to do it yourself, and need a copy of your official Board picture, I can email you a copy. 73, Harold Harold Kramer, WJ1B Chief Operating Officer ARRL -the national association for Amateur Radio 225 Main Street Newington, CT 06111 (860) 594 -0220

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[arrl-odv:19433] Re: New Division Information Page -PSE Review
by Tom Frenaye 14 Oct '10

14 Oct '10

At 05:59 PM 10/14/2010, Bob Vallio wrote: >So, what happened to the link to the Pacific Division website <<http://pdarrl.org>pdarrl.org>? Does anyone check their work before going live with it??? > >Bob Vallio -- W6RGG Works fine for me. Are you using DOS 2.1? -- Tom ===== e-mail: k1ki(a)arrl.org ARRL New England Division Director http://www.arrl.org/ Tom Frenaye, K1KI, P O Box J, West Suffield CT 06093 Phone: 860-668-5444

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RE: W4TV's measurments
by Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ 14 Oct '10

14 Oct '10

Greg, the right number to use is not 350 km. It’s 800 km. Dave From: Greg Sarratt [mailto:w4ozk@arrl.org] Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 3:03 PM To: arrl-odv Subject: Re: W4TV's measurments So, we will use the clean answer of >350KM. I wil answer W4TV with this. Should this be added to the online article? b) Island Areas (Separation by Water): A new entity results in the case of an island under any of the following conditions: i) The island is separated from its Parent, and any other islands that make up the DXCC entity that contains the Parent, by 350 kilometers or more. Measurement of islands in a group begins with measurement from the island containing the capital city. Only one entity of this type may be attached to any Parent. ii) The island is separated from its Parent by 350 kilometers or more, and from any other island attached to that Parent in the same or a different island group by 800 kilometers or more. 73, Greg Sarratt, W4OZK ________________________________ From: "Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ" <dsumner(a)arrl.org> To: arrl-odv <arrl-odv(a)reflector.arrl.org> Sent: Thu, October 14, 2010 9:04:23 AM Subject: RE: W4TV's measurments You’re quite right, Dwayne. It’s fortunate that it comes out this way because it would be quite a mess otherwise. The Netherlands Antilles have been two separate DXCC entities by reason of distance separation since 1955. The two parts are in different continents, so CQ would count them separately anyway. Dave From: Dwayne Allen [mailto:dwayne@wy7fd.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 11:02 PM To: arrl-odv Subject: W4TV's measurments Folks, I am no lawyer (thankfully) but the following was copied from the DXCC rules. 2. Geographic Separation Entity b) Island Areas (Separation by Water): ii) The island is separated from its Parent by 350 kilometers or more, and from any other island attached to that Parent in the same or a different island group by 800 kilometers or more. I see no instructions on the method of measurement to be employed in determining the distance between the islands or island group. If the greater circle method was used in determining the correct distance between Saba and Bonaire, then the distance is 801 KM. This is clearly a case of nit-picking. Also if one employs the scientific significant figures rules, 799.609 will round to 800 anyway. If I am wrong, please correct me… I am used to it. . My two cents worth. 73, WY7FD, Dwayne Allen Vice-Director ARRL Rocky Mountain Division

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Re: W4TV's measurments
by Greg Sarratt 14 Oct '10

14 Oct '10

So, we will use the clean answer of >350KM. I wil answer W4TV with this. Should this be added to the online article? b) Island Areas (Separation by Water): A new entity results in the case of an island under any of the following conditions: i) The island is separated from its Parent, and any other islands that make up the DXCC entity that contains the Parent, by 350 kilometers or more. Measurement of islands in a group begins with measurement from the island containing the capital city. Only one entity of this type may be attached to any Parent. ii) The island is separated from its Parent by 350 kilometers or more, and from any other island attached to that Parent in the same or a different island group by 800 kilometers or more. 73, Greg Sarratt, W4OZK ________________________________ From: "Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ" <dsumner(a)arrl.org> To: arrl-odv <arrl-odv(a)reflector.arrl.org> Sent: Thu, October 14, 2010 9:04:23 AM Subject: RE: W4TV's measurments You’re quite right, Dwayne. It’s fortunate that it comes out this way because it would be quite a mess otherwise. The Netherlands Antilles have been two separate DXCC entities by reason of distance separation since 1955. The two parts are in different continents, so CQ would count them separately anyway. Dave From:Dwayne Allen [mailto:dwayne@wy7fd.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 11:02 PM To: arrl-odv Subject: W4TV's measurments Folks, I am no lawyer (thankfully) but the following was copied from the DXCC rules. 2. Geographic Separation Entity b) Island Areas (Separation by Water): ii) The island is separated from its Parent by 350 kilometers or more, and from any other island attached to that Parent in the same or a different island group by 800 kilometers or more. I see no instructions on the method of measurement to be employed in determining the distance between the islands or island group. If the greater circle method was used in determining the correct distance between Saba and Bonaire, then the distance is 801 KM. This is clearly a case of nit-picking. Also if one employs the scientific significant figures rules, 799.609 will round to 800 anyway. If I am wrong, please correct me… I am used to it. . My two cents worth. 73, WY7FD, Dwayne Allen Vice-Director ARRL Rocky Mountain Division

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RE: W4TV's measurments
by Jim Weaver K8JE 14 Oct '10

14 Oct '10

Jay, As judged from your stab at humor it seems obvious you don't hail from Lake Wobegon (sp?). Of course it was never said that all the men (from Lake Wobegon) are humorous. Incidentally, because the DX desk says the distance is great enough, I accept this. 73, Jim Jim Weaver, K8JE, Director ARRL Great Lakes Division 5065 Bethany Rd. Mason, OH 45040; Tel. 513-459-1661 ARRL, The national organization for Amateur Radio _____ From: John Bellows [mailto:jbellows@skypoint.com] Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 1:08 PM To: arrl-odv Subject: RE: W4TV's measurments Sorry folks, my attempt at humor apparently missed the mark. Im fully on board with the DXCC Desk on this. 73, Jay, KØQB -----Original Message----- From: Dwayne Allen [mailto:dwayne@wy7fd.com] Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 9:30 AM To: arrl-odv Subject: FW: W4TV's measurments _____ From: Dwayne Allen <dwayne(a)wy7fd.com> Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 08:17 To: John Bellows <jbellows(a)skypoint.com> Subject: RE: W4TV's measurments Jay, I see your argument. However, the rounding was thrown in just to show that it is a small amount. If the greater circle method was employed, the distance meets the requirement. Chris and the remaining possibly offended members in the law profession, I meant no disrespect. WY7FD _____ From: John Bellows <jbellows(a)skypoint.com> Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 07:22 To: 'Dwayne Allen' <dwayne(a)wy7fd.com> Subject: RE: W4TV's measurments Dwayne: First of all, Im no engineer, just a lawyer (thankfully) but I have to wonder if rounding up is the best way to go. For example, if the span between two piers is 80 feet would a girder 79 ft 11 inches be adequate or would it be acceptable to just call it 80 feet and hope for the best. ;<) The is forwarded in the same mode as David Norris email. 73, Jay, KØQB -----Original Message----- From: Dwayne Allen [mailto:dwayne@wy7fd.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 10:02 PM To: arrl-odv Subject: W4TV's measurments Folks, I am no lawyer (thankfully) but the following was copied from the DXCC rules. 2. Geographic Separation Entity b) Island Areas (Separation by Water): ii) The island is separated from its Parent by 350 kilometers or more, and from any other island attached to that Parent in the same or a different island group by 800 kilometers or more. I see no instructions on the method of measurement to be employed in determining the distance between the islands or island group. If the greater circle method was used in determining the correct distance between Saba and Bonaire, then the distance is 801 KM. This is clearly a case of nit-picking. Also if one employs the scientific significant figures rules, 799.609 will round to 800 anyway. If I am wrong, please correct me I am used to it. . My two cents worth. 73, WY7FD, Dwayne Allen Vice-Director ARRL Rocky Mountain Division No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.862 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3196 - Release Date: 10/14/10 02:34:00

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RE: W4TV's measurments
by John Bellows 14 Oct '10

14 Oct '10

Sorry folks, my attempt at humor apparently missed the mark. Im fully on board with the DXCC Desk on this. 73, Jay, KØQB -----Original Message----- From: Dwayne Allen [mailto:dwayne@wy7fd.com] Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 9:30 AM To: arrl-odv Subject: FW: W4TV's measurments _____ From: Dwayne Allen <dwayne(a)wy7fd.com> Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 08:17 To: John Bellows <jbellows(a)skypoint.com> Subject: RE: W4TV's measurments Jay, I see your argument. However, the rounding was thrown in just to show that it is a small amount. If the greater circle method was employed, the distance meets the requirement. Chris and the remaining possibly offended members in the law profession, I meant no disrespect. WY7FD _____ From: John Bellows <jbellows(a)skypoint.com> Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 07:22 To: 'Dwayne Allen' <dwayne(a)wy7fd.com> Subject: RE: W4TV's measurments Dwayne: First of all, Im no engineer, just a lawyer (thankfully) but I have to wonder if rounding up is the best way to go. For example, if the span between two piers is 80 feet would a girder 79 ft 11 inches be adequate or would it be acceptable to just call it 80 feet and hope for the best. ;<) The is forwarded in the same mode as David Norris email. 73, Jay, KØQB -----Original Message----- From: Dwayne Allen [mailto:dwayne@wy7fd.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 10:02 PM To: arrl-odv Subject: W4TV's measurments Folks, I am no lawyer (thankfully) but the following was copied from the DXCC rules. 2. Geographic Separation Entity b) Island Areas (Separation by Water): ii) The island is separated from its Parent by 350 kilometers or more, and from any other island attached to that Parent in the same or a different island group by 800 kilometers or more. I see no instructions on the method of measurement to be employed in determining the distance between the islands or island group. If the greater circle method was used in determining the correct distance between Saba and Bonaire, then the distance is 801 KM. This is clearly a case of nit-picking. Also if one employs the scientific significant figures rules, 799.609 will round to 800 anyway. If I am wrong, please correct me I am used to it. . My two cents worth. 73, WY7FD, Dwayne Allen Vice-Director ARRL Rocky Mountain Division

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Re: FW: W4TV's measurments
by Brian Mileshosky 14 Oct '10

14 Oct '10

Don't back down, Dwayne. These are lawyers who couldn't handle the rigors of engineering school so they opted instead for a law degree. (Inequitable cheap shot delivered...running for hard cover now...buying kevlar to wear at EC meeting in a few weeks) 73, Brian N5ZGT On Thu, 14 Oct 2010, Dwayne Allen wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dwayne Allen <dwayne(a)wy7fd.com> > Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 08:17 > To: John Bellows <jbellows(a)skypoint.com> > Subject: RE: W4TV's measurments > > Jay, > > I see your argument. However, the rounding was thrown in just to show that it is a small amount. If the greater circle method was employed, the distance meets the requirement. > > Chris and the remaining possibly offended members in the law profession, > > I meant no disrespect. > > WY7FD > > From: John Bellows <jbellows(a)skypoint.com> > Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 07:22 > To: 'Dwayne Allen' <dwayne(a)wy7fd.com> > Subject: RE: W4TV's measurments > > Dwayne: > � > First of all, I�m no engineer, just a lawyer (thankfully) but I have to wonder if rounding up is the best way to go. For example, if the span between two piers is 80 feet would a girder 79 ft 11 inches be adequate or would it be acceptable to just call it 80 feet and hope for the best. ;<) > � > The is forwarded in the same mode as David Norris� email. > � > 73, > � > Jay, K�QB > � > -----Original Message----- > From: Dwayne Allen [mailto:dwayne@wy7fd.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 10:02 PM > To: arrl-odv > Subject: W4TV's measurments > � > Folks, > � > I am no lawyer (thankfully) but the following was copied from the DXCC rules. > � > � > 2. Geographic Separation Entity > � > b) Island Areas (Separation by Water): > � > ii) The island is separated from its Parent by 350 kilometers or more, and from any other island attached to that Parent in the same or a different island group by 800 kilometers or more. > � > I see no instructions on the method of measurement to be employed in determining the distance between the islands or island group.� If the greater circle method was used in determining the correct distance between Saba and Bonaire, then the distance is 801 KM. ��This is clearly a case of nit-picking.� Also if one employs the scientific significant figures rules, 799.609 will round to 800 anyway. > � > If I am wrong, please correct me� I am used to it. > . > � > My two cents worth.� 73, > � > WY7FD, > Dwayne Allen > Vice-Director > ARRL Rocky Mountain Division ARRL Director, Rocky Mountain Division On the web at www.RockyMountainDivision.org

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FW: W4TV's measurments
by Dwayne Allen 14 Oct '10

14 Oct '10

-----Original Message----- From: Dwayne Allen <dwayne(a)wy7fd.com> Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 08:17 To: John Bellows <jbellows(a)skypoint.com> Subject: RE: W4TV's measurments Jay, I see your argument. However, the rounding was thrown in just to show that it is a small amount. If the greater circle method was employed, the distance meets the requirement. Chris and the remaining possibly offended members in the law profession, I meant no disrespect. WY7FD From: John Bellows <jbellows(a)skypoint.com> Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 07:22 To: 'Dwayne Allen' <dwayne(a)wy7fd.com> Subject: RE: W4TV's measurments Dwayne: First of all, Im no engineer, just a lawyer (thankfully) but I have to wonder if rounding up is the best way to go. For example, if the span between two piers is 80 feet would a girder 79 ft 11 inches be adequate or would it be acceptable to just call it 80 feet and hope for the best. ;<) The is forwarded in the same mode as David Norris email. 73, Jay, KØQB -----Original Message----- From: Dwayne Allen [mailto:dwayne@wy7fd.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 10:02 PM To: arrl-odv Subject: W4TV's measurments Folks, I am no lawyer (thankfully) but the following was copied from the DXCC rules. 2. Geographic Separation Entity b) Island Areas (Separation by Water): ii) The island is separated from its Parent by 350 kilometers or more, and from any other island attached to that Parent in the same or a different island group by 800 kilometers or more. I see no instructions on the method of measurement to be employed in determining the distance between the islands or island group. If the greater circle method was used in determining the correct distance between Saba and Bonaire, then the distance is 801 KM. This is clearly a case of nit-picking. Also if one employs the scientific significant figures rules, 799.609 will round to 800 anyway. If I am wrong, please correct me I am used to it. . My two cents worth. 73, WY7FD, Dwayne Allen Vice-Director ARRL Rocky Mountain Division

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[arrl-odv:19425] Circulation statement
by Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ 14 Oct '10

14 Oct '10

November QST has the annual "Statement of Ownership, Management, and Circulation" required by the US Postal Service. Sometimes, members or others who like to read fine print question the figures. The statement shows a total paid circulation of 128,287 and a "free or nominal rate" distribution of 15,205. The reason for the large "free or nominal rate" figure is that the Postal Service requires us to count most Life Members in this category. When this and Family memberships (where one copy of QST serves two or more members in a household) are taken into account the circulation statement is fully consistent with our membership figures. Dave

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