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[arrl-odv:17158] RE: [arrl-odv:17154] RE: Gustav repercussions
by Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ 03 Sep '08

03 Sep '08

Dennis has heard back from Keith Robertory. This is not correct. Red Cross will have a clarifying release shortly. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Bill Edgar [mailto:n3llr@earthlink.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 1:13 PM To: arrl-odv Subject: RE: [arrl-odv:17154] RE: Gustav repercussions Dave, Good comment from Bill N2COP. Has ARRL-HQ checked with Red Cross national to see if this is their position? If we got an answer from them regarding this issue and mentioned this on the PR reflector, it might stop or reduce the negative comments in this forum. I'd also be curious to see what Red Cross national would have as a comment regarding this. Thanks. - Bill N3LLR -----Original Message----- From: Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ [mailto:dsumner@arrl.org] Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 1:03 PM To: arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:17154] RE: Gustav repercussions PRC Chairman Bill Morine, N2COP posted this to pr-com after seeing the AC8AL posting: "[A]fter I saw this posting, I emailed Dennis Dura for input, and he is unaware that Red Cross has placed a restriction on HF Health & Welfare traffic. He's sure that H&W through a data mode, such as Winlink or D*Star, should be okay for most privacy concerns. This is an issue that we on the PRC cannot - and should not - resolve, but you may see some negative postings regarding this issue on the PR reflector, especially as three more hurricanes threaten the East coast." Dave K1ZZ -----Original Message----- From: Bill Edgar [mailto:n3llr@earthlink.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 12:58 PM To: arrl-odv Subject: FW: Gustav repercussions Importance: High Got this from someone in our division this morning. Haven't had a chance to run this past some Red Cross people yet (they are out of state at this time), but if true is perhaps a reason why we haven't been treated as a 'valued partner' by Red Cross national. Has anyone else heard about what is mentioned as current Red Cross policy in this message? - Bill N3LLR > At 12:41 PM 9/2/2008 -0400, Pat Mullet wrote: >>Guess we dodged a bullet where Gustav is concerned. Did come across a >>disturbing note on the MIARPSC reflector. Apparently, Red Cross will no >>longer use HF and/or Ham radio operators for H&W traffic because it isn't >>"secure." Guess the lessons everyone else learned from Katrina needs to >>be re-learned at the Red Cross. As I recall, the "secure" >>methods--Internet, telephone, cell phone, satellite phone, fax, etc, >>either were saturated or simply failed, and it was Amateur Radio that got >>messages in and out of the area, often saving lives in the process. >> >> >> >>Good day everyone. >>If you receive request from folks asking you to send a message to a Red >>Cross shelter, headquarters, or other Red Cross facility in an attempt for >>them to find family members impacted and displaced by Hurricane Gustav, do >>not take it. The Red Cross policy is not to accept amateur radio H&W >>traffic nor is it to send any H&W via amateur radio. This is due to the >>lack of security that amateur radio has. The current Red Cross policy is >>for those looking for family and friends in impacted areas to register on >>the Red Cross Safe & Well website, >><https://disastersafe.redcross.org/>https://disastersafe.redcross.org/ or >>with the H&W Activity at the Red Cross shelter, headquarters, or service >>delivery site. >> >>This Safe & Well website provides a way for those in the disaster area to >>register them self as safe and well.From a list of standard messages, >>they can select those that they want to >>communicate to their family members, letting them know of their >>well-being. >> >>Concerned family and friends can search the list of those who have >>registered themselves as safe and well.The results of a successful search >>will display a loved ones First Name, Last Name, an As of Date, and the >>safe and wellmessages selected >> >>Many organizations are working with the American Red Cross to provide >>families a variety of services and tools to communicate with loved ones >>during times of emergency. In addition to using this website, also >>consider the services offered by the agencies listed on the Service >>Partners page. >> >>If you have questions, please email me at headstall at monarchy.org >> >>Best Regards, >>Richard "Doc" Strait, AC8AL >>Volunteer Disaster Services Technology Team Lead >>Red Cross Serving Muskegon Oceania and Someways counties. >>National Red Cross Volunteer Disaster Services Technology Supervisor. >> >> >>It would appear, for all our work in getting the word out to the pubic, as >>well as our record of achievement in the past, the NIH (not invented >>here), high tech, bleeding edge mentality is still firmly entrenched in >>disaster management. I constantly run into the same thing on a local >>level--The Midland County ARES group is an integral part of the County >>disaster planning, but we can't get the local chapter of the Red Cross, >>local Fire Department or Law Enforcement to give us the time of day. If >>they can't control the comms, they don't want to use them I suspect the >>only reason we're allowed inside the Law Enforcement Center is that the ES >>Department wants us there. In neighboring Isabella County, the Director >>of Central Dispatch barred all hams from the facility and ordered the >>removal of all amateur gear. >> >>Sorry for the rant, but I just don't know how to overcome what I can only >>see as pigheadedness. >>

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RE: [arrl-odv:17154] RE: Gustav repercussions
by Kay Craigie 03 Sep '08

03 Sep '08

During the NERPC study we looked into anecdotal reports that during the Katrina disaster, Red Cross shelter managers refused to permit H&W messaging via Amateur Radio citing privacy concerns. From what we could document factually, although some individual shelter managers may have gone off the deep end and refused to allow H&W messaging via Amateur Radio, there was no national Red Cross policy prohibiting such messaging. It also appeared to have been possible that shelter managers may not have wanted the radio operators to become swamped with H&W messaging instead of handling higher-priority messages. Of course things change as time goes by. However, I would be willing to bet a small amount of money that the situation remains the same and there is no national Red Cross policy prohibiting H&W messages via Amateur Radio as long as message priorities are observed and the clients are accurately informed so they have no expectation of secure content. As we discuss a new SOU with the Red Cross, it would be a very good idea to have this H&W messaging question answered once & for all and memorialized in the SOU. That's assuming these people really want to work with Amateur Radio and show our volunteers due respect and cooperation. 73 - Kay N3KN

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RE: [arrl-odv:17154] RE: Gustav repercussions
by Bill Edgar 03 Sep '08

03 Sep '08

Dave, Good comment from Bill N2COP. Has ARRL-HQ checked with Red Cross national to see if this is their position? If we got an answer from them regarding this issue and mentioned this on the PR reflector, it might stop or reduce the negative comments in this forum. I'd also be curious to see what Red Cross national would have as a comment regarding this. Thanks. - Bill N3LLR -----Original Message----- From: Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ [mailto:dsumner@arrl.org] Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 1:03 PM To: arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:17154] RE: Gustav repercussions PRC Chairman Bill Morine, N2COP posted this to pr-com after seeing the AC8AL posting: "[A]fter I saw this posting, I emailed Dennis Dura for input, and he is unaware that Red Cross has placed a restriction on HF Health & Welfare traffic. He's sure that H&W through a data mode, such as Winlink or D*Star, should be okay for most privacy concerns. This is an issue that we on the PRC cannot - and should not - resolve, but you may see some negative postings regarding this issue on the PR reflector, especially as three more hurricanes threaten the East coast." Dave K1ZZ -----Original Message----- From: Bill Edgar [mailto:n3llr@earthlink.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 12:58 PM To: arrl-odv Subject: FW: Gustav repercussions Importance: High Got this from someone in our division this morning. Haven't had a chance to run this past some Red Cross people yet (they are out of state at this time), but if true is perhaps a reason why we haven't been treated as a 'valued partner' by Red Cross national. Has anyone else heard about what is mentioned as current Red Cross policy in this message? - Bill N3LLR > At 12:41 PM 9/2/2008 -0400, Pat Mullet wrote: >>Guess we dodged a bullet where Gustav is concerned. Did come across a >>disturbing note on the MIARPSC reflector. Apparently, Red Cross will no >>longer use HF and/or Ham radio operators for H&W traffic because it isn't >>"secure." Guess the lessons everyone else learned from Katrina needs to >>be re-learned at the Red Cross. As I recall, the "secure" >>methods--Internet, telephone, cell phone, satellite phone, fax, etc, >>either were saturated or simply failed, and it was Amateur Radio that got >>messages in and out of the area, often saving lives in the process. >> >> >> >>Good day everyone. >>If you receive request from folks asking you to send a message to a Red >>Cross shelter, headquarters, or other Red Cross facility in an attempt for >>them to find family members impacted and displaced by Hurricane Gustav, do >>not take it. The Red Cross policy is not to accept amateur radio H&W >>traffic nor is it to send any H&W via amateur radio. This is due to the >>lack of security that amateur radio has. The current Red Cross policy is >>for those looking for family and friends in impacted areas to register on >>the Red Cross Safe & Well website, >><https://disastersafe.redcross.org/>https://disastersafe.redcross.org/ or >>with the H&W Activity at the Red Cross shelter, headquarters, or service >>delivery site. >> >>This Safe & Well website provides a way for those in the disaster area to >>register them self as safe and well.From a list of standard messages, >>they can select those that they want to >>communicate to their family members, letting them know of their >>well-being. >> >>Concerned family and friends can search the list of those who have >>registered themselves as safe and well.The results of a successful search >>will display a loved ones First Name, Last Name, an As of Date, and the >>safe and wellmessages selected >> >>Many organizations are working with the American Red Cross to provide >>families a variety of services and tools to communicate with loved ones >>during times of emergency. In addition to using this website, also >>consider the services offered by the agencies listed on the Service >>Partners page. >> >>If you have questions, please email me at headstall at monarchy.org >> >>Best Regards, >>Richard "Doc" Strait, AC8AL >>Volunteer Disaster Services Technology Team Lead >>Red Cross Serving Muskegon Oceania and Someways counties. >>National Red Cross Volunteer Disaster Services Technology Supervisor. >> >> >>It would appear, for all our work in getting the word out to the pubic, as >>well as our record of achievement in the past, the NIH (not invented >>here), high tech, bleeding edge mentality is still firmly entrenched in >>disaster management. I constantly run into the same thing on a local >>level--The Midland County ARES group is an integral part of the County >>disaster planning, but we can't get the local chapter of the Red Cross, >>local Fire Department or Law Enforcement to give us the time of day. If >>they can't control the comms, they don't want to use them I suspect the >>only reason we're allowed inside the Law Enforcement Center is that the ES >>Department wants us there. In neighboring Isabella County, the Director >>of Central Dispatch barred all hams from the facility and ordered the >>removal of all amateur gear. >> >>Sorry for the rant, but I just don't know how to overcome what I can only >>see as pigheadedness. >>

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[arrl-odv:17154] RE: Gustav repercussions
by Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ 03 Sep '08

03 Sep '08

PRC Chairman Bill Morine, N2COP posted this to pr-com after seeing the AC8AL posting: "[A]fter I saw this posting, I emailed Dennis Dura for input, and he is unaware that Red Cross has placed a restriction on HF Health & Welfare traffic. He's sure that H&W through a data mode, such as Winlink or D*Star, should be okay for most privacy concerns. This is an issue that we on the PRC cannot - and should not - resolve, but you may see some negative postings regarding this issue on the PR reflector, especially as three more hurricanes threaten the East coast." Dave K1ZZ -----Original Message----- From: Bill Edgar [mailto:n3llr@earthlink.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 12:58 PM To: arrl-odv Subject: FW: Gustav repercussions Importance: High Got this from someone in our division this morning. Haven't had a chance to run this past some Red Cross people yet (they are out of state at this time), but if true is perhaps a reason why we haven't been treated as a 'valued partner' by Red Cross national. Has anyone else heard about what is mentioned as current Red Cross policy in this message? - Bill N3LLR > At 12:41 PM 9/2/2008 -0400, Pat Mullet wrote: >>Guess we dodged a bullet where Gustav is concerned. Did come across a >>disturbing note on the MIARPSC reflector. Apparently, Red Cross will no >>longer use HF and/or Ham radio operators for H&W traffic because it isn't >>"secure." Guess the lessons everyone else learned from Katrina needs to >>be re-learned at the Red Cross. As I recall, the "secure" >>methods--Internet, telephone, cell phone, satellite phone, fax, etc, >>either were saturated or simply failed, and it was Amateur Radio that got >>messages in and out of the area, often saving lives in the process. >> >> >> >>Good day everyone. >>If you receive request from folks asking you to send a message to a Red >>Cross shelter, headquarters, or other Red Cross facility in an attempt for >>them to find family members impacted and displaced by Hurricane Gustav, do >>not take it. The Red Cross policy is not to accept amateur radio H&W >>traffic nor is it to send any H&W via amateur radio. This is due to the >>lack of security that amateur radio has. The current Red Cross policy is >>for those looking for family and friends in impacted areas to register on >>the Red Cross Safe & Well website, >><https://disastersafe.redcross.org/>https://disastersafe.redcross.org/ or >>with the H&W Activity at the Red Cross shelter, headquarters, or service >>delivery site. >> >>This Safe & Well website provides a way for those in the disaster area to >>register them self as safe and well.From a list of standard messages, >>they can select those that they want to >>communicate to their family members, letting them know of their >>well-being. >> >>Concerned family and friends can search the list of those who have >>registered themselves as safe and well.The results of a successful search >>will display a loved ones First Name, Last Name, an As of Date, and the >>safe and wellmessages selected >> >>Many organizations are working with the American Red Cross to provide >>families a variety of services and tools to communicate with loved ones >>during times of emergency. In addition to using this website, also >>consider the services offered by the agencies listed on the Service >>Partners page. >> >>If you have questions, please email me at headstall at monarchy.org >> >>Best Regards, >>Richard "Doc" Strait, AC8AL >>Volunteer Disaster Services Technology Team Lead >>Red Cross Serving Muskegon Oceania and Someways counties. >>National Red Cross Volunteer Disaster Services Technology Supervisor. >> >> >>It would appear, for all our work in getting the word out to the pubic, as >>well as our record of achievement in the past, the NIH (not invented >>here), high tech, bleeding edge mentality is still firmly entrenched in >>disaster management. I constantly run into the same thing on a local >>level--The Midland County ARES group is an integral part of the County >>disaster planning, but we can't get the local chapter of the Red Cross, >>local Fire Department or Law Enforcement to give us the time of day. If >>they can't control the comms, they don't want to use them I suspect the >>only reason we're allowed inside the Law Enforcement Center is that the ES >>Department wants us there. In neighboring Isabella County, the Director >>of Central Dispatch barred all hams from the facility and ordered the >>removal of all amateur gear. >> >>Sorry for the rant, but I just don't know how to overcome what I can only >>see as pigheadedness. >>

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FW: Gustav repercussions
by Bill Edgar 03 Sep '08

03 Sep '08

Got this from someone in our division this morning. Haven't had a chance to run this past some Red Cross people yet (they are out of state at this time), but if true is perhaps a reason why we haven't been treated as a 'valued partner' by Red Cross national. Has anyone else heard about what is mentioned as current Red Cross policy in this message? - Bill N3LLR > At 12:41 PM 9/2/2008 -0400, Pat Mullet wrote: >>Guess we dodged a bullet where Gustav is concerned. Did come across a >>disturbing note on the MIARPSC reflector. Apparently, Red Cross will no >>longer use HF and/or Ham radio operators for H&W traffic because it isn't >>"secure." Guess the lessons everyone else learned from Katrina needs to >>be re-learned at the Red Cross. As I recall, the "secure" >>methods--Internet, telephone, cell phone, satellite phone, fax, etc, >>either were saturated or simply failed, and it was Amateur Radio that got >>messages in and out of the area, often saving lives in the process. >> >> >> >>Good day everyone. >>If you receive request from folks asking you to send a message to a Red >>Cross shelter, headquarters, or other Red Cross facility in an attempt for >>them to find family members impacted and displaced by Hurricane Gustav, do >>not take it. The Red Cross policy is not to accept amateur radio H&W >>traffic nor is it to send any H&W via amateur radio. This is due to the >>lack of security that amateur radio has. The current Red Cross policy is >>for those looking for family and friends in impacted areas to register on >>the Red Cross Safe & Well website, >><https://disastersafe.redcross.org/>https://disastersafe.redcross.org/ or >>with the H&W Activity at the Red Cross shelter, headquarters, or service >>delivery site. >> >>This Safe & Well website provides a way for those in the disaster area to >>register them self as safe and well.From a list of standard messages, >>they can select those that they want to >>communicate to their family members, letting them know of their >>well-being. >> >>Concerned family and friends can search the list of those who have >>registered themselves as safe and well.The results of a successful search >>will display a loved ones First Name, Last Name, an As of Date, and the >>safe and wellmessages selected >> >>Many organizations are working with the American Red Cross to provide >>families a variety of services and tools to communicate with loved ones >>during times of emergency. In addition to using this website, also >>consider the services offered by the agencies listed on the Service >>Partners page. >> >>If you have questions, please email me at headstall at monarchy.org >> >>Best Regards, >>Richard "Doc" Strait, AC8AL >>Volunteer Disaster Services Technology Team Lead >>Red Cross Serving Muskegon Oceania and Someways counties. >>National Red Cross Volunteer Disaster Services Technology Supervisor. >> >> >>It would appear, for all our work in getting the word out to the pubic, as >>well as our record of achievement in the past, the NIH (not invented >>here), high tech, bleeding edge mentality is still firmly entrenched in >>disaster management. I constantly run into the same thing on a local >>level--The Midland County ARES group is an integral part of the County >>disaster planning, but we can't get the local chapter of the Red Cross, >>local Fire Department or Law Enforcement to give us the time of day. If >>they can't control the comms, they don't want to use them I suspect the >>only reason we're allowed inside the Law Enforcement Center is that the ES >>Department wants us there. In neighboring Isabella County, the Director >>of Central Dispatch barred all hams from the facility and ordered the >>removal of all amateur gear. >> >>Sorry for the rant, but I just don't know how to overcome what I can only >>see as pigheadedness. >>

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[arrl-odv:17152] VE Support Page and ARRL VE Exam Maker On-Line
by Kramer, Harold, WJ1B 02 Sep '08

02 Sep '08

From: Jon Bloom: The new VE Support Page (http://www.arrl.org/arrlvec/ve/) is now public, and the ARRL VE Exam Maker program (http://www.arrl.org/arrlvec/software/InstallExamMaker.html) has been released at version 1.0. Access to the VE Support Page requires VE status and login, and ARRL VE Exam Maker accesses a Web service URL on the Web site(*) that also requires the same login. Jon Bloom, KE3Z Harold Harold Kramer, WJ1B Chief Operating Officer ARRL - The national association for Amateur Radio 860 594 0220 hkramer(a)arrl.org

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[arrl-odv:17151] RE: [arrl-odv:17096] New letterhead
by Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ 02 Sep '08

02 Sep '08

The "Blue Only" version has now been updated. * Letterhead Stationery <http://www.arrl.org/members-only/ODV/docs/LetterTemplate4-COLOR.pdf> (PDF) Or Word Doc <http://www.arrl.org/members-only/ODV/docs/LetterTemplate4-COLOR.doc> with 5 Colors. o Blue Only Stationery <http://www.arrl.org/members-only/ODV/docs/LetterTemplateBLUE.pdf> (PDF) Or Word Doc <http://www.arrl.org/members-only/ODV/docs/letterheadBlue.doc> (blue monotone) 73, Dave K1ZZ

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[arrl-odv:17150] Re: Fwd: [ARCA] Fwd: New Sound Card Digital Mode for Winlink 2000
by Joel Harrison 02 Sep '08

02 Sep '08

I read about this on ARRLWeb on August 26. Sounds great. Joel On 9/1/08, Andy Oppel <andy(a)andyoppel.com> wrote: > > I consider this big news in the HF Digital arena: > > -------- Original Message -------- > New HF Digital Protocol to Debut at DCC > Winlink 2000 network > > WINMOR, an HF digital protocol designed for use with the Winlink 2000 > network, will be unveiled at the upcoming ARRL/TAPR Digital > Communications Conference in Chicago, September 26-28. > > According to developer Rick Muething, KN6KB, WINMOR will effectively > eliminate the need for external PACTOR hardware. "This new protocol is > implemented through a Windows application that uses a computer sound > card for all the analog-to-digital conversion. It provides error-free > ARQ transfers within 200, 500 or 2000 Hz bandwidths," Muething said. > > In terms of throughput, Muething said that the 200-Hz WINMOR mode > appears to equal the performance of PACTOR I. In WINMOR's 2000 Hz mode, > its performance rivals PACTOR III. > > "WINMOR is a work in progress," Muething said. "We won't be pulling the > wraps off a finished application at the conference. We're close, though. > I'd like to see on-air testing in 3 to 6 months." > > Conference information and registration is available online or by > telephone at 972-671-8277. Rick Muething's presentation paper, WINMOR. . > . A Sound Card ARQ Mode for Winlink HF Digital Messaging, is included in > the conference proceedings. Proceedings will also be available for sale > on the ARRL Web after the conference. > > 73, > Andy Oppel, N6AJO > Vice Director, Pacific Division > American Radio Relay League (ARRL) > *The National Association for Amateur Radio > > *n6ajo(a)arrl.org > home: (510) 864-2299 > cell: (510) 912-0985 >

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[arrl-odv:17149] Fwd: [ARCA] Fwd: New Sound Card Digital Mode for Winlink 2000
by Andy Oppel 02 Sep '08

02 Sep '08

>I consider this big news in the HF Digital arena: > >-------- Original Message -------- >New HF Digital Protocol to Debut at DCC >Winlink 2000 network > >WINMOR, an HF digital protocol designed for use with the Winlink 2000 >network, will be unveiled at the upcoming ARRL/TAPR Digital >Communications Conference in Chicago, September 26-28. > >According to developer Rick Muething, KN6KB, WINMOR will effectively >eliminate the need for external PACTOR hardware. "This new protocol is >implemented through a Windows application that uses a computer sound >card for all the analog-to-digital conversion. It provides error-free >ARQ transfers within 200, 500 or 2000 Hz bandwidths," Muething said. > >In terms of throughput, Muething said that the 200-Hz WINMOR mode >appears to equal the performance of PACTOR I. In WINMOR's 2000 Hz mode, >its performance rivals PACTOR III. > >"WINMOR is a work in progress," Muething said. "We won't be pulling the >wraps off a finished application at the conference. We're close, though. >I'd like to see on-air testing in 3 to 6 months." > >Conference information and registration is available online or by >telephone at 972-671-8277. Rick Muething's presentation paper, WINMOR. . >. A Sound Card ARQ Mode for Winlink HF Digital Messaging, is included in >the conference proceedings. Proceedings will also be available for sale >on the ARRL Web after the conference. 73, Andy Oppel, N6AJO Vice Director, Pacific Division American Radio Relay League (ARRL) The National Association for Amateur Radio n6ajo(a)arrl.org home: (510) 864-2299 cell: (510) 912-0985

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[arrl-odv:17148] RE: [arrl-odv:17147] Fwd: VUCC credit via LoTW
by Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ 01 Sep '08

01 Sep '08

Bob, VUCC is definitely on the list, but we must do the Triple Play award first. 73, Dave K1ZZ ________________________________ From: Bob Vallio [mailto:rbvallio@gmail.com] Sent: Mon 9/1/2008 6:53 AM To: arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:17147] Fwd: VUCC credit via LoTW To those of you who have already received a direct copy, I apologize. I believe that Walt is correct in what he says. I also know that changes to LOTW are not easily implemented. I guess the question is whether the cost of such a change will benefit the membership enough to make it worthwhile. Bob -- W6RGG ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Walter Miller, AJ6T <aj6t(a)comcast.net> Date: Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 6:21 PM Subject: VUCC credit via LoTW To: w6rgg(a)arrl.org, n6ajo(a)arrl.org, dxcc(a)arrl.org, ke3z(a)arrl.org Cc: w5zn(a)arrl.org, w6tkv(a)arrl.net, w6omf(a)cwnet.com, "Fusaro, Norm W3IZ" <w3iz(a)arrl.org>, John Farber <kg6i(a)hughes.net> Gentlemen, I am writing to you to request that ARRL update its VUCC award policies to allow credits to be given for QSL confirmations via Logbook of the World (LoTW). Currently only your DXCC and WAS awards are connected to LoTW, and it would seem to be a fairly easy extension of existing software to allow for inclusion of VUCC via LoTW. I encourage you to do this as soon as possible. It would relieve amateurs of the burden of collecting mostly stateside QSL cards, saving both time and expense. This kind of expansion of LoTW has been hinted at by ARRL for quite some time. Frankly, it is a long-overdue idea. 73, Walt Walter E. Miller, AJ6T ARRL Life Member

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