April 2007 - arrl-odv - reflector.arrl.org

[arrl-odv:15387] Re:What are you hearing
by Henry R. Leggette 05 Apr '07

05 Apr '07

I have not received any compliants at any club meeting and hamfests. In fact, I have not attend any of either. Karl attended and conducted an ARRL Forum and had several comments, suggestions and negative compliants etc. I have been flooded with e-mail here. I was suppose to go to a club meeting tonight; however, I did not attend due to e-mail I need to answer. Most of these e-mail are from five to six people answering repeat questions. That is about it from this end. Henry - WD4Q ----- Original Message ----- From: Joel Harrison To: arrl-odv Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 2:04 PM Subject: What are you hearing I'm curious what you are hearing now about our bandwidth subset proposal to the FCC at in-person events. My email has now been reduced to only those that are not ARRL members that are still complaining about things in general (incentive licensing, elimination of Morse for licensing, etc) not the specifics of the proposal. This weekend, I attended the AES Superfest in Milwaukee with Dick Isely. You will receive my trip report soon, but I want to tell you there were about 1000 attending and not one, not one single person even mentioned the proposal. All I received were positive all around comments about what we're doing. I even brought up the topic of regulation by bandwidth at the ARRL forum, where we had around 120 attending, and not one person had any comment or complaints about it. I know Bill Edgar was at Timonium this weekend. I talked to Bill last night and he had no complaints, only a couple of questions about the proposal. Bill Cross was there and conducted a forum and Bill reports that the subject was not raised there. One thing is obvious; the comments of substance have actually been supportive of the original proposal. Where were these guys before! Dave, Chris and I will be evaluating where we are with this matter and will report shortly. So, I'm curious as to what you are hearing at your eyeball events. 73 Joel W5ZN

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[arrl-odv:15386] Re:Visit To MFJ 35th Anniversary
by Henry R. Leggette 05 Apr '07

05 Apr '07

Several Directors, Vice Directors and Officers spoke to me about visiting the MFJ 35th Anniversary on September 7 & 8, 2007. I spoke with Richard Stubbs, MFJ 35th Anniversary Coordinator and he will be sending all of you an invitation. It should arrive soon. 73, Henry - WD4Q

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[arrl-odv:15385] Fwd: FW: [arrl-odv:15378] GMail Test 2 de W6RGG
by Bob Vallio 05 Apr '07

05 Apr '07

Here's the note I just sent to Barry, explaining my error in a previous report. As near as can determine, the "new" ODV works. Bob ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Bob Vallio <rbvallio(a)gmail.com> Date: Apr 5, 2007 1:20 PM Subject: Re: FW: [arrl-odv:15378] GMail Test 2 de W6RGG To: "Shelley, Barry, N1VXY" <bshelley(a)arrl.org> Barry, There was only one copy, which did have the odv number. GMail aggregates mail with the same subject into one thread, and even brings my sent mail to the thread, so I can see what I said. Sorry for the misrepresentation of what I received. I can send this to the reflector, if you wish. Bob On 4/5/07, Shelley, Barry, N1VXY <bshelley(a)arrl.org> wrote: > > Bob: > > Would you please forward to me the two messages you refer to here, with > all the header information? Thank you. > > Barry > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Bob Vallio [mailto:rbvallio@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Thu 4/5/2007 1:38 AM > *To:* arrl-odv > *Subject:* [arrl-odv:15378] GMail Test 2 de W6RGG > > The prior test came through fine, but there was no odv number > and I received two copies. > > >

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[arrl-odv:15384] Gmail test de K0BJ
by Bruce Frahm K0BJ 05 Apr '07

05 Apr '07

RGG -- pse work me from Scarborough. Now that I got N8S (I was on IOTA contest detail on east coast for 1st Swains) BS7 is my final needed entity. 73 K0BJ

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[arrl-odv:15383] Re: 3 Months or 3 Minutes, $$ or $0 ??
by w3kd＠aol.com 05 Apr '07

05 Apr '07

For the record, the status of the host of the non-ARRL reflector, which Director Norton has now clarified, does not affect the recommendations in my e-mail message of earlier this week. 73, Chris W3KD -----Original Message----- From: richardjnorton(a)gmail.com To: arrl-odv(a)reflector.arrl.org Sent: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 1:28 PM Subject: [arrl-odv:15381] 3 Months or 3 Minutes, $$ or $0 ?? ODjr Reflector I hope that existence of the ODjr reflector at least raises some interest into what we are getting and what we are paying for it, with respect to ARRL E-mail reflectors. I set the ODjr reflector up in less than 3 minutes. The cost to the ARRL for the reflector is zero. The individual that hosted the ODjr reflector was mischaracterized here as being "a private individual not associated with or employed by ARRL." Actually he has been an unpaid consultant to the League for some time. The ARRL has reimbursed his airfare costs on trips to Newington. As an aside, the ARRL even shortchanged him by not paying for one of the trips apparently due to some foul up in the reimbursement process, which in spite of that, he continues to assist us. He provided the League with the system and all the software to receive contest logs electronically. He provides a computer, located in California, that stores copies, on each of two hard drives, of every contest log submitted to the League. ARRL's log-checkers use his computer to receive log information. The logs are also stored in Newington. He did receive $2000 last year, (with a accompanying 1099) which he used to buy a new computer for League contests. He is not "a private individual not associated with or employed by ARRL." ODV Reflector The ODV reflector started having difficulties with messages from users of Google's G-Mail in January. The problem made it impossible for 20% of the Board to communicate ideas without the content being overwhelmed by the framework in which they were received. It has taken almost 3 months for this to be fixed. And it was finally fixed two days after the announcement of ODjr. The ARRL is paying money to operate the ODV reflector, I suspect both in software costs, employee expenses, and it appears, to an outside vendor. Prior to sending my second test message last night, I received a message from Richard Pendelton of "Interbridge" telling me that he had apparently fixed the server. So, we now see that the ARRL-ODV reflector is also apparently hosted off-site. I guess that is acceptable, because we are paying money for it. Summary Case 1 - Unacceptable -Bad 3 minutes Zero cost Unpaid consultant Case 2 - Present Practice - Good 3 months Cost Outside vendor On SPAM blacklists (more about this later) In response to an E-mail sent to me, I guess I'm now supposed to apologize for doing something that "represents divisiveness and unwillingness to work within our establish (sic) way of doing business." 73, Dick Norton, N6AA For Vice directors: ODjr was a reflector that I set up with a three minute telephone call. It contains the officers and directors. It has not been used, and likely will not since the ODV reflector apparently now works. ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.

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The Next Gen Hams: It's Elementary
by dick＠pobox.com 05 Apr '07

05 Apr '07

5 APR 2007 - 1235 CDT I am very pleased with the The Next Gen Hams: It's Elementary two page article published in the May 2007 QST. Rosalie White, K1STO did a very nice job and I have already told her so. The Fox River Radio League (FRRL) is my local radio club. I have been a member of this club since the fall of 1977. However, I cannot take any credit for the youth amateur radio club being established in the Boulder Hill Elementary School in Montgomery, IL. All I did was to answer a couple of questions and point out some information resources on the ARRL web site. 73 - Dick, W9GIG

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[arrl-odv:15381] 3 Months or 3 Minutes, $$ or $0 ??
by Richard J. Norton 05 Apr '07

05 Apr '07

ODjr Reflector I hope that existence of the ODjr reflector at least raises some interest into what we are getting and what we are paying for it, with respect to ARRL E-mail reflectors. I set the ODjr reflector up in less than 3 minutes. The cost to the ARRL for the reflector is zero. The individual that hosted the ODjr reflector was mischaracterized here as being "a private individual not associated with or employed by ARRL." Actually he has been an unpaid consultant to the League for some time. The ARRL has reimbursed his airfare costs on trips to Newington. As an aside, the ARRL even shortchanged him by not paying for one of the trips apparently due to some foul up in the reimbursement process, which in spite of that, he continues to assist us. He provided the League with the system and all the software to receive contest logs electronically. He provides a computer, located in California, that stores copies, on each of two hard drives, of every contest log submitted to the League. ARRL's log-checkers use his computer to receive log information. The logs are also stored in Newington. He did receive $2000 last year, (with a accompanying 1099) which he used to buy a new computer for League contests. He is not "a private individual not associated with or employed by ARRL." ODV Reflector The ODV reflector started having difficulties with messages from users of Google's G-Mail in January. The problem made it impossible for 20% of the Board to communicate ideas without the content being overwhelmed by the framework in which they were received. It has taken almost 3 months for this to be fixed. And it was finally fixed two days after the announcement of ODjr. The ARRL is paying money to operate the ODV reflector, I suspect both in software costs, employee expenses, and it appears, to an outside vendor. Prior to sending my second test message last night, I received a message from Richard Pendelton of "Interbridge" telling me that he had apparently fixed the server. So, we now see that the ARRL-ODV reflector is also apparently hosted off-site. I guess that is acceptable, because we are paying money for it. Summary Case 1 - Unacceptable -Bad 3 minutes Zero cost Unpaid consultant Case 2 - Present Practice - Good 3 months Cost Outside vendor On SPAM blacklists (more about this later) In response to an E-mail sent to me, I guess I'm now supposed to apologize for doing something that "represents divisiveness and unwillingness to work within our establish (sic) way of doing business." 73, Dick Norton, N6AA For Vice directors: ODjr was a reflector that I set up with a three minute telephone call. It contains the officers and directors. It has not been used, and likely will not since the ODV reflector apparently now works.

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[arrl-odv:15380] Re: RM-11306
by w3kd＠aol.com 05 Apr '07

05 Apr '07

I don't have an exact tally. It is probably an overstatement to suggest that there were NO supportive comments from Winlink people; there were several supportive comments, one of which we cited in our reply comments. For example, there were some very supportive comments from Nick Leggette, N3NL. But the few supportive comments filed were not aimed particularly at encouraging Winlink, which was not the focus of the proposal. So it is hard to tell which of the very few supportive comments were filed by Winlink users and which were filed by others who were merely forward-looking supporters of digital mode experimentation and implementation at HF. Winlink is something of a sideshow here. Chris -----Original Message----- From: w5zn(a)arrl.org To: arrl-odv(a)reflector.arrl.org Sent: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 7:57 PM Subject: RE: [arrl-odv:15373] Re: RM-11306 I'll have to defer to Chris for the exact number, Bruce, but if there were any supportive comments there wasn't more than a hand full. I saw one email today that suggested there were 15,000 WinLink users. If only 10% of those would have filed comments in support of RM-11306 that would have significantly overshadowed the negative ones. Unfortunately, they didn't Chris, do you have the exact tally? Joel -----Original Message----- To: "arrl-odv" <arrl-odv(a)reflector.arrl.org> Subject: [arrl-odv:15373] Re: RM-11306 Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 18:35:36 -0500 One thing I've struggled with, especially with the new pro-Winlink group but also the other emails, is how to let them know it was a great idea to go to FCC to see what we could salvage of the petition, without coming out and saying "and they invited us to do so". So Joel -- there were no supporting comments from the Winlink types? I've been telling these recent correspondents that they needed to generate many more supportive comments next time. I didn't realize they'd done NONE on this. 73 Bruce K0BJ ________________________________________________________________________ AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.

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RE: [arrl-odv:15377] GMail Test de W6RGG
by Jim Weaver 05 Apr '07

05 Apr '07

Bob, I received only one copy if each of your two messages. Each message was IDd with just one ODV message number. Similarly, I received one copy of Dick's no.2 with an ODV number on it. Jim Jim Weaver, K8JE, Director ARRL Great Lakes Division 5065 Bethany Rd. Mason, OH 45040 E-mail: <mailto:k8je@arrl.org> k8je(a)arrl.org; Tel.: 513-459-0142 ARRL - The Reason Amateur Radio Is! Members - The Reason ARRL Is! -----Original Message----- From: Bob Vallio [mailto:rbvallio@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2007 1:30 AM To: arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:15377] GMail Test de W6RGG 1234567890...

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[arrl-odv:15378] GMail Test 2 de W6RGG
by Bob Vallio 05 Apr '07

05 Apr '07

The prior test came through fine, but there was no odv number and I received two copies.

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