November 2005 - arrl-odv - reflector.arrl.org

off email contact 'till Wednesday AM
by Greg Milnes 20 Nov '05

20 Nov '05

I've been on a nice email connection here in the Pacific SECTION. But all good things must come to an end and I'm headed back home to the NW Division. Back in the Portland area on late Tues evening. Until Wednesday AM I'll probably be out of email contact. 73/Greg W7OZ/ KH6 Maui

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[arrl-odv:13303] Re: Tis Better to Give ---- Can We Still Afford It?
by Greg Milnes 20 Nov '05

20 Nov '05

I support your ideas. It would be helpful for staff and Board family to list what is given to non-members. Other membership societies give things away to non-members I guess. It might also be of assistance to see what they do for their non-member friends. Ill try to think of some my self. 73/Greg W7OZ/ KH6 Maui. _____ From: John Bellows [mailto:jbellows@skypoint.com] Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 10:07 AM To: arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:13279] Tis Better to Give ---- Can We Still Afford It? For as long as I can remember ARRL has been the premier advocate, resource and promoter of Amateur Radio and radio amateurs, ARRL members and non-members alike. As the national association for Amateur Radio we should expect no less. We all know the task of continuing to perform those roles at a time when fewer and fewer people are inclined to join membership organizations, particularly service or hobby organizations. ARRL has undertaken a substantial effort to meet current challenges and future needs by establishing an effective Development Department and has now targeted the membership recruitment and retention issue by hiring a membership manager. While ARRL needs to maintain its role as an advocate and promoter for all of Amateur Radio, there is an ongoing question as to the extent to which the League ought to be an open resource to non-members and other organizations. We all agree the League ought to provide information and assistance to those interested in becoming Amateurs or current Amateurs interested in furthering the goals of ARRL. I think a more open question exists as to the extent to which the League ought to provide access to ARRL resources and other assistance to non-members have expressed little or no interest in joining the League and other organizations who look to dealings with the League as all take and no give. There is a limit to the ability of ARRL to stretch our dollars to provide needed services. Though ARRL is the national association of Amateur Radio, we owe a heightened duty to those individuals and organizations that support the League and its goals. It seems to me that it would be worthwhile to devote some portion of the January Board meeting to considering the extent to which we ought to continue to make League services freely available to all take and no give individuals and organizations. 73, Jay, KØQB

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[arrl-odv:13302] Re: Tis Better to Give ---- Can We Still Afford It?
by Tom Frenaye 20 Nov '05

20 Nov '05

At 01:07 PM 11/17/2005, K0Question(B)authority wrote: >There is a limit to the ability of ARRL to stretch our dollars to provide needed services. Though ARRL is the national association of Amateur Radio, we owe a heightened duty to those individuals and organizations that support the League and its goals. It seems to me that it would be worthwhile to devote some portion of the January Board meeting to considering the extent to which we ought to continue to make League services freely available to �all take and no give� individuals and organizations. Seemed like I had to battle through a lot of long winded stuff before I got the meat of Jay's message [does he get paid by the word?]. That last sentence suggests youo had some concrete examples? I don't think the Board meeting is the right place to start a discussion of where we draw the line between member benefits and those given away to anyone (licensed or not). I like the idea of a periodic review of where that line is - how about starting with someone summarizing just what we offer to members only? Have their been discussions within the Programs and Services Committee on this topic? Seems like a good place to start. Actually, in yesterday's A&F committee meeting we talked about a general plan for program evaluation - a topic the Board talked about without much action in the strategic planning sessions a few years ago. Part of that evaluation would certainly be whether it is or should be offered to just members or anyone. COO Kramer will be leading the effort and circulated a draft program evaluation process he plans to work from. The expectation is that the effort will take two years, maybe more. His initial plan is to start with the Field and Educational Services Department. Heck, we don't even have a good listing of current programs. I pointed Harold to the document created by the VRC several years ago as a starting point. I'm sure he'd welcome any input from Board members. -- Tom ===== e-mail: k1ki(a)arrl.org ARRL New England Division Director http://www.arrl.org/ Tom Frenaye, K1KI, P O Box J, West Suffield CT 06093 Phone: 860-668-5444

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[arrl-odv:13301] Re: Abernathy Announces Departure from FCC
by Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ 20 Nov '05

20 Nov '05

The resolution Greg mentioned was requested by A&F of the Executive Committee. I'll be circulating a mail vote to the Board as soon as I hear from all of the EC members. Dave K1ZZ ________________________________ From: Greg Milnes [mailto:w7oz@comcast.net] Sent: Sun 11/20/2005 2:11 AM To: arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:13300] Re: Abernathy Announces Departure from FCC Jay You're right. I may be getting older but not that old. I'm mostly angry about Warren for his inappropriate criminal ideas...such as doing something good for the bad guy (throw out evidence) so the good guys (police and public) will feel bad. No wonder I felt so good when I retired. By the way, I'm really supportive of that resolution to help out deployed troops with membership extensions. 73/Greg W7OZ/ KH6 Maui. ________________________________ From: John Bellows [mailto:jbellows@skypoint.com] Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 12:22 PM To: arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:13299] Re: Abernathy Announces Departure from FCC Would you settle for John Marshall or Roger B. Taney? I'll bet neither of them ever kicked you out of a building! 73, Jay, KØQB -----Original Message----- From: Greg Milnes [mailto:w7oz@comcast.net] Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 12:48 PM To: arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:13298] Re: Abernathy Announces Departure from FCC I didn't mention Earl Warren as a Supreme Court Justice without previous judicial experience for a couple of reasons. I didn't like many of his policies and would never put him in the category of great members of the court. Also when I was a kid and living near the state capitol in Sacramento, then-governor Warren, kicked me out of the building just because my friend and I were running around and going up and down the elevators. 73/Greg W7OZ/ KH6 Kaanapali Beach, HI ________________________________ From: John Bellows [mailto:jbellows@skypoint.com] Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 1:55 AM To: arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:13297] Re: Abernathy Announces Departure from FCC Nor did Earl Warren. Jay, KØQB -----Original Message----- From: Rod Stafford W6ROD [mailto:w6rod@comcast.net] Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 11:19 PM To: arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:13295] Re: Abernathy Announces Departure from FCC But then of course William Rehnquist had no judicial experience either if memory serves my correctly. Rod W6ROD At 08:50 PM 11/18/2005, you wrote: Andy, What a ghastly, but accurate, nightmare! Jim Weaver, K8JE, Director 5065 Bethany Rd., Mason, OH 45040 E-mail: k8je(a)arrl.org; Tel: 513-459-0142 ARRL Great Lakes Division ARRL, the Reason Amateur Radio is! Members, the Reason ARRL is! -----Original Message----- From: Andy Oppel [ mailto:andy_oppel@earthlink.net <mailto:andy_oppel@earthlink.net> ] Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 11:48 PM To: arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:13293] Re: Abernathy Announces Departure from FCC My only fear is the next one may be worse than this one was. I know that's difficult to imagine. But if he can nominate an attorney who has never been a judge for the Supreme Court, I figure anything can happen. -- Andy Oppel, N6AJO At 07:51 PM 11/18/2005, you wrote: I'll cry . . . tomorrow. Jim Weaver, K8JE, Director 5065 Bethany Rd., Mason, OH 45040 E-mail: k8je(a)arrl.org; Tel: 513-459-0142 ARRL Great Lakes Division ARRL, the Reason Amateur Radio is! Members, the Reason ARRL is! -----Original Message----- From: Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ [ mailto:dsumner@arrl.org] Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 9:55 AM To: arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:13284] Abernathy Announces Departure from FCC Anybody got a brass band handy? Dave http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-262254A1.doc

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[arrl-odv:13300] Re: Abernathy Announces Departure from FCC
by Greg Milnes 20 Nov '05

20 Nov '05

Jay Youre right. I may be getting older but not that old. Im mostly angry about Warren for his inappropriate criminal ideassuch as doing something good for the bad guy (throw out evidence) so the good guys (police and public) will feel bad. No wonder I felt so good when I retired. By the way, Im really supportive of that resolution to help out deployed troops with membership extensions. 73/Greg W7OZ/ KH6 Maui. _____ From: John Bellows [mailto:jbellows@skypoint.com] Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 12:22 PM To: arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:13299] Re: Abernathy Announces Departure from FCC Would you settle for John Marshall or Roger B. Taney? Ill bet neither of them ever kicked you out of a building! 73, Jay, KØQB -----Original Message----- From: Greg Milnes [mailto:w7oz@comcast.net] Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 12:48 PM To: arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:13298] Re: Abernathy Announces Departure from FCC I didnt mention Earl Warren as a Supreme Court Justice without previous judicial experience for a couple of reasons. I didnt like many of his policies and would never put him in the category of great members of the court. Also when I was a kid and living near the state capitol in Sacramento, then-governor Warren, kicked me out of the building just because my friend and I were running around and going up and down the elevators. 73/Greg W7OZ/ KH6 Kaanapali Beach, HI _____ From: John Bellows [mailto:jbellows@skypoint.com] Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 1:55 AM To: arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:13297] Re: Abernathy Announces Departure from FCC Nor did Earl Warren. Jay, KØQB -----Original Message----- From: Rod Stafford W6ROD [mailto:w6rod@comcast.net] Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 11:19 PM To: arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:13295] Re: Abernathy Announces Departure from FCC But then of course William Rehnquist had no judicial experience either if memory serves my correctly. Rod W6ROD At 08:50 PM 11/18/2005, you wrote: Andy, What a ghastly, but accurate, nightmare! Jim Weaver, K8JE, Director 5065 Bethany Rd., Mason, OH 45040 E-mail: k8je(a)arrl.org; Tel: 513-459-0142 ARRL Great Lakes Division ARRL, the Reason Amateur Radio is! Members, the Reason ARRL is! -----Original Message----- From: Andy Oppel [ mailto:andy_oppel@earthlink.net <mailto:andy_oppel@earthlink.net> ] Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 11:48 PM To: arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:13293] Re: Abernathy Announces Departure from FCC My only fear is the next one may be worse than this one was. I know that's difficult to imagine. But if he can nominate an attorney who has never been a judge for the Supreme Court, I figure anything can happen. -- Andy Oppel, N6AJO At 07:51 PM 11/18/2005, you wrote: Ill cry . . . tomorrow. Jim Weaver, K8JE, Director 5065 Bethany Rd., Mason, OH 45040 E-mail: k8je(a)arrl.org; Tel: 513-459-0142 ARRL Great Lakes Division ARRL, the Reason Amateur Radio is! Members, the Reason ARRL is! -----Original Message----- From: Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ [ mailto:dsumner@arrl.org] Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 9:55 AM To: arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:13284] Abernathy Announces Departure from FCC Anybody got a brass band handy? Dave http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-262254A1.doc

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[arrl-odv:13299] Re: Abernathy Announces Departure from FCC
by John Bellows 19 Nov '05

19 Nov '05

Would you settle for John Marshall or Roger B. Taney? Ill bet neither of them ever kicked you out of a building! 73, Jay, KØQB -----Original Message----- From: Greg Milnes [mailto:w7oz@comcast.net] Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 12:48 PM To: arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:13298] Re: Abernathy Announces Departure from FCC I didnt mention Earl Warren as a Supreme Court Justice without previous judicial experience for a couple of reasons. I didnt like many of his policies and would never put him in the category of great members of the court. Also when I was a kid and living near the state capitol in Sacramento, then-governor Warren, kicked me out of the building just because my friend and I were running around and going up and down the elevators. 73/Greg W7OZ/ KH6 Kaanapali Beach, HI _____ From: John Bellows [mailto:jbellows@skypoint.com] Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 1:55 AM To: arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:13297] Re: Abernathy Announces Departure from FCC Nor did Earl Warren. Jay, KØQB -----Original Message----- From: Rod Stafford W6ROD [mailto:w6rod@comcast.net] Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 11:19 PM To: arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:13295] Re: Abernathy Announces Departure from FCC But then of course William Rehnquist had no judicial experience either if memory serves my correctly. Rod W6ROD At 08:50 PM 11/18/2005, you wrote: Andy, What a ghastly, but accurate, nightmare! Jim Weaver, K8JE, Director 5065 Bethany Rd., Mason, OH 45040 E-mail: k8je(a)arrl.org; Tel: 513-459-0142 ARRL Great Lakes Division ARRL, the Reason Amateur Radio is! Members, the Reason ARRL is! -----Original Message----- From: Andy Oppel [ <mailto:andy_oppel@earthlink.net> mailto:andy_oppel@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 11:48 PM To: arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:13293] Re: Abernathy Announces Departure from FCC My only fear is the next one may be worse than this one was. I know that's difficult to imagine. But if he can nominate an attorney who has never been a judge for the Supreme Court, I figure anything can happen. -- Andy Oppel, N6AJO At 07:51 PM 11/18/2005, you wrote: Ill cry . . . tomorrow. Jim Weaver, K8JE, Director 5065 Bethany Rd., Mason, OH 45040 E-mail: k8je(a)arrl.org; Tel: 513-459-0142 ARRL Great Lakes Division ARRL, the Reason Amateur Radio is! Members, the Reason ARRL is! -----Original Message----- From: Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ [ mailto:dsumner@arrl.org] Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 9:55 AM To: arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:13284] Abernathy Announces Departure from FCC Anybody got a brass band handy? Dave http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-262254A1.doc

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[arrl-odv:13298] Re: Abernathy Announces Departure from FCC
by Greg Milnes 19 Nov '05

19 Nov '05

I didnt mention Earl Warren as a Supreme Court Justice without previous judicial experience for a couple of reasons. I didnt like many of his policies and would never put him in the category of great members of the court. Also when I was a kid and living near the state capitol in Sacramento, then-governor Warren, kicked me out of the building just because my friend and I were running around and going up and down the elevators. 73/Greg W7OZ/ KH6 Kaanapali Beach, HI _____ From: John Bellows [mailto:jbellows@skypoint.com] Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 1:55 AM To: arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:13297] Re: Abernathy Announces Departure from FCC Nor did Earl Warren. Jay, KØQB -----Original Message----- From: Rod Stafford W6ROD [mailto:w6rod@comcast.net] Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 11:19 PM To: arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:13295] Re: Abernathy Announces Departure from FCC But then of course William Rehnquist had no judicial experience either if memory serves my correctly. Rod W6ROD At 08:50 PM 11/18/2005, you wrote: Andy, What a ghastly, but accurate, nightmare! Jim Weaver, K8JE, Director 5065 Bethany Rd., Mason, OH 45040 E-mail: k8je(a)arrl.org; Tel: 513-459-0142 ARRL Great Lakes Division ARRL, the Reason Amateur Radio is! Members, the Reason ARRL is! -----Original Message----- From: Andy Oppel [ <mailto:andy_oppel@earthlink.net> mailto:andy_oppel@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 11:48 PM To: arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:13293] Re: Abernathy Announces Departure from FCC My only fear is the next one may be worse than this one was. I know that's difficult to imagine. But if he can nominate an attorney who has never been a judge for the Supreme Court, I figure anything can happen. -- Andy Oppel, N6AJO At 07:51 PM 11/18/2005, you wrote: Ill cry . . . tomorrow. Jim Weaver, K8JE, Director 5065 Bethany Rd., Mason, OH 45040 E-mail: k8je(a)arrl.org; Tel: 513-459-0142 ARRL Great Lakes Division ARRL, the Reason Amateur Radio is! Members, the Reason ARRL is! -----Original Message----- From: Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ [ mailto:dsumner@arrl.org] Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 9:55 AM To: arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:13284] Abernathy Announces Departure from FCC Anybody got a brass band handy? Dave http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-262254A1.doc

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[arrl-odv:13297] Re: Abernathy Announces Departure from FCC
by John Bellows 19 Nov '05

19 Nov '05

Nor did Earl Warren. Jay, KØQB -----Original Message----- From: Rod Stafford W6ROD [mailto:w6rod@comcast.net] Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 11:19 PM To: arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:13295] Re: Abernathy Announces Departure from FCC But then of course William Rehnquist had no judicial experience either if memory serves my correctly. Rod W6ROD At 08:50 PM 11/18/2005, you wrote: Andy, What a ghastly, but accurate, nightmare! Jim Weaver, K8JE, Director 5065 Bethany Rd., Mason, OH 45040 E-mail: k8je(a)arrl.org; Tel: 513-459-0142 ARRL Great Lakes Division ARRL, the Reason Amateur Radio is! Members, the Reason ARRL is! -----Original Message----- From: Andy Oppel [ <mailto:andy_oppel@earthlink.net> mailto:andy_oppel@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 11:48 PM To: arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:13293] Re: Abernathy Announces Departure from FCC My only fear is the next one may be worse than this one was. I know that's difficult to imagine. But if he can nominate an attorney who has never been a judge for the Supreme Court, I figure anything can happen. -- Andy Oppel, N6AJO At 07:51 PM 11/18/2005, you wrote: Ill cry . . . tomorrow. Jim Weaver, K8JE, Director 5065 Bethany Rd., Mason, OH 45040 E-mail: k8je(a)arrl.org; Tel: 513-459-0142 ARRL Great Lakes Division ARRL, the Reason Amateur Radio is! Members, the Reason ARRL is! -----Original Message----- From: Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ [ mailto:dsumner@arrl.org] Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 9:55 AM To: arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:13284] Abernathy Announces Departure from FCC Anybody got a brass band handy? Dave http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-262254A1.doc

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[arrl-odv:13296] Re: Abernathy Announces Departure from FCC
by Greg Milnes 19 Nov '05

19 Nov '05

A number of great Supreme Court judges have not previously been judges. Rehnquist comes to mind first. 73/Greg W7OZ/ KH6 Kaanapali Beach, Maui, HI _____ From: Andy Oppel [mailto:andy_oppel@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 8:48 PM To: arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:13293] Re: Abernathy Announces Departure from FCC My only fear is the next one may be worse than this one was. I know that's difficult to imagine. But if he can nominate an attorney who has never been a judge for the Supreme Court, I figure anything can happen. -- Andy Oppel, N6AJO At 07:51 PM 11/18/2005, you wrote: Ill cry . . . tomorrow. Jim Weaver, K8JE, Director 5065 Bethany Rd., Mason, OH 45040 E-mail: k8je(a)arrl.org; Tel: 513-459-0142 ARRL Great Lakes Division ARRL, the Reason Amateur Radio is! Members, the Reason ARRL is! -----Original Message----- From: Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ [ mailto:dsumner@arrl.org <mailto:dsumner@arrl.org> ] Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 9:55 AM To: arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:13284] Abernathy Announces Departure from FCC Anybody got a brass band handy? Dave http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-262254A1.doc

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[arrl-odv:13295] Re: Abernathy Announces Departure from FCC
by Rod Stafford W6ROD 19 Nov '05

19 Nov '05

But then of course William Rehnquist had no judicial experience either if memory serves my correctly. Rod W6ROD At 08:50 PM 11/18/2005, you wrote: >Andy, > >What a ghastly, but accurate, nightmare! > >Jim Weaver, K8JE, Director >5065 Bethany Rd., Mason, OH 45040 >E-mail: <mailto:k8je@arrl.org>k8je(a)arrl.org; Tel: 513-459-0142 >ARRL Great Lakes Division >ARRL, the Reason Amateur Radio is! >Members, the Reason ARRL is! >-----Original Message----- >From: Andy Oppel [mailto:andy_oppel@earthlink.net] >Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 11:48 PM >To: arrl-odv >Subject: [arrl-odv:13293] Re: Abernathy Announces Departure from FCC > >My only fear is the next one may be worse than this one was. I know >that's difficult to imagine. But if he can nominate an attorney who has >never been a judge for the Supreme Court, I figure anything can happen. > >-- Andy Oppel, N6AJO > >At 07:51 PM 11/18/2005, you wrote: > >I'll cry . . . tomorrow. > >Jim Weaver, K8JE, Director >5065 Bethany Rd., Mason, OH 45040 >E-mail: <mailto:k8je@arrl.org>k8je(a)arrl.org; Tel: 513-459-0142 >ARRL Great Lakes Division >ARRL, the Reason Amateur Radio is! >Members, the Reason ARRL is! >-----Original Message----- >From: Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ [ mailto:dsumner@arrl.org] >Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 9:55 AM >To: arrl-odv >Subject: [arrl-odv:13284] Abernathy Announces Departure from FCC > > >Anybody got a brass band handy? > >Dave > ><http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-262254A1.doc>http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-262254A1.doc >

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