January 2003 - arrl-odv - reflector.arrl.org

[ARRL-ODV:8266] Re: K1MAN
by Wilson, Mark K1RO 20 Jan '03

20 Jan '03

Jim, the CDs distributed at the Board meeting carry the video in MPEG format, which is generally supported by computer media players but not by home entertainment DVD players. One of the things we'll be looking at as we develop a distribution plan is the possibility of making it available in a format that will work with consumer DVD players (DVD or Video CD). We'll need to look carefully at distribution quantities and duplication costs and talk to Dave Bell and company before making a final decision. Roger your comments about clearly stating what is required to play whatever we do make available. 73, Mark K1RO -----Original Message----- From: Maxwell, Jim (Dir, Pacific) Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 11:15 AM To: arrl-odv Subject: [ARRL-ODV:8265] Re: K1MAN I agree with Tom that we shouldn't refer to it as a DVD, for I discovered last night that the CD won't play on my brand new DVD player, although it *will* play on my computer using Windows Media Player. Shouldn't that limitation be noted on ARRL web and on the disk itself? We're likely to have a lot of disappointed customers who buy a copy in good faith and then discover that they can't use it. 73. Jim, W6CF Tom Frenaye wrote: At 08:46 AM 1/20/2003 -0500, I wrote: It does NOT require a DVD player and I think we'll be making a mistake if any of us refer to it that way. Actually, it may not play in a DVD-only player. -- Tom ===== e-mail: k1ki(a)arrl.org ARRL New England Division Director http://www.arrl.org/ Tom Frenaye, K1KI, P O Box J, West Suffield CT 06093 Phone: 860-668-5444

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[ARRL-ODV:8265] Re: K1MAN
by Jim Maxwell 20 Jan '03

20 Jan '03

I agree with Tom that we shouldn't refer to it as a DVD, for I discovered last night that the CD won't play on my brand new DVD player, although it *will* play on my computer using Windows Media Player. Shouldn't that limitation be noted on ARRL web and on the disk itself? We're likely to have a lot of disappointed customers who buy a copy in good faith and then discover that they can't use it. 73. Jim, W6CF Tom Frenaye wrote: >At 08:46 AM 1/20/2003 -0500, I wrote: > > >>It does NOT require a DVD player and I think we'll be making a mistake if any of us refer to it that way. >> >> > >Actually, it may not play in a DVD-only player. -- Tom > > >===== >e-mail: k1ki(a)arrl.org ARRL New England Division Director http://www.arrl.org/ >Tom Frenaye, K1KI, P O Box J, West Suffield CT 06093 Phone: 860-668-5444 > > > > > >

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[ARRL-ODV:8264] Re: Video
by sysop＠bfdin.com 20 Jan '03

20 Jan '03

Dave, Perhaps we ought to pull the video from our web site so that I can't be downloaded also until this is worked out? - Bill N3LLR AR>Our CD products that are produced and distributed in the normal fashion cont AR> AR>Copyright 2003 The American Radio Relay League, Inc. All rights reserved AR> AR>"The American Radio Relay League, Inc." is our official corporate name. AR> AR>Our CD products also contain a license agreement, reviewed by Counsel, that AR> AR>Dave K1ZZ AR>-----Original Message----- AR>From: Haynie, Jim (President) AR>Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 9:59 AM AR>To: arrl-odv AR>Subject: [ARRL-ODV:8255] Video AR>Until we can get some problems ironed out please do not allow copies to be m AR>Other wise, please stand by. AR>Jim Haynie

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[ARRL-ODV:8263] Re: K1MAN
by Art Goddard 20 Jan '03

20 Jan '03

Thats one small step for k1man, One giant leap for billable hours... "Can't we all just get along?" Kum-Bah-Yah, my Lord, Kum-Bah-Yah... dARTh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Raisbeck" <raisbeck(a)attbi.com> To: "arrl-odv" <arrl-odv(a)reflector.arrl.org> Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 7:03 AM Subject: [ARRL-ODV:8257] Re: K1MAN > Hello All, > > A few thoughts on the K1MAN thing, and a few lessons we might > take from it: > > 1 - Perhaps we shouldn't be too upset, though I can understand Bill > Pasternak's gut reaction. K1MAN is doing exactly what we said we > wanted - spreading the news. > > 2 - I will guess that he has edited out the ARRL contact info > at the end of the movie and inserted his own. If so, that's probably > the best way we can attack him - we can claim that he is interferring > with our membership gathering opportunity. To have an effective > case against him, it sure helps to be able to show monetary damages. > Also, if he did do what I just theorized, it strengthens our case. > The fact that he gives the disc away for free does not mean that > his purpose is not commercial. If his purpose is commercial, > it strengthens our case against him. > > 3 - Has anyone started the process of getting a copy from K1MAN? > If not, I will. We need to know exactly what he did. > > 4 - My recollection is that statutory damages (ie., damages without > regard to actual monetary loss on our part) are available in a > copyright case, but only after the item has been properly registered. > Did we do so? If not, we should. I presume that Chris is reading > the fine statutory print on this. > > 5 - I went through the video again with undivided attention applied. > I saw ARRL logo only appears once and very small, on the red badge of > one of the participants. By contrast, the Salvation Army ID appears > several times in large print. Perhaps for the next video we should > sneak our logo in a bit more prominently. If Glenn Baxter is going > to edit our stuff (not yet verified!!), at least let's make it > hard for him :-) > > 6 - a bit more info on the permitted uses of the image might be a > good idea, both on the CD's and on the web site. I suggest that > we add a license that makes it clear that: > > a) any copying of the movie must copy it in it's entirety, without > editing or addition. > > b) any copy must clearly identify the source of the movie (the ARRL) > and must provide then current contact information to us (the trailer at > the end of the movie does this). > > c) any copy of the movie must carry with it a copy of the license. > > d) the license may not be modified > > e) anyone who makes a copy of the movie may do so only under the terms > of the license, and must grant to the recipient the same license > terms. > > Those of you in the computer field will recognize some of these ideas as > being borrowed from the famous GNU "Copy Left" license. > > 73, > Mike > K1TWF > > >

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[ARRL-ODV:8262] Re: Video
by Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ 20 Jan '03

20 Jan '03

Our CD products that are produced and distributed in the normal fashion contain the following copyright notice on both the label and on the CD itself: Copyright 2003 The American Radio Relay League, Inc. All rights reserved "The American Radio Relay League, Inc." is our official corporate name. Our CD products also contain a license agreement, reviewed by Counsel, that sets out the conditions of use. While the horse is already out of the barn to some extent it would be best to avoid further duplication until we have a final version so there aren't myriad different versions in circulation. Dave K1ZZ -----Original Message----- From: Haynie, Jim (President) Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 9:59 AM To: arrl-odv Subject: [ARRL-ODV:8255] Video Until we can get some problems ironed out please do not allow copies to be made of the CD or tape. If you have the capability to add the line: Copywrite 2003 ARRL all rights reserved; to the beginning OK. Other wise, please stand by. Jim Haynie

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[ARRL-ODV:8261] Re: For the Planning Committee
by K5ur＠aol.com 20 Jan '03

20 Jan '03

Morning Coy and All! Hey, I told Art that if I had to sing it ONE MORE time for the good of the ARRL, then I'll do it. I'll even get in a circle and hold hands if it will help! 73, Rick - K5UR

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[ARRL-ODV:8260] Re: For the Planning Committee
by Coy Day 20 Jan '03

20 Jan '03

Geez! You didn't have to put it on the ODV. Now Rick will know what we are up to. ----- Original Message ----- From: Art Goddard <w6xd(a)attbi.com> To: arrl-odv <arrl-odv(a)reflector.arrl.org> Cc: ARRL ODV <arrl-odv(a)arrl.org> Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 9:18 AM Subject: [ARRL-ODV:8258] For the Planning Committee Dug this up for ya, Pal.... http://guitar-primer.com/Folk/AFS-46.html 73, Goober dARTh

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[ARRL-ODV:8258] For the Planning Committee
by Art Goddard 20 Jan '03

20 Jan '03

Dug this up for ya, Pal.... http://guitar-primer.com/Folk/AFS-46.html 73, Goober dARTh

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[ARRL-ODV:8259] Words of Wisdom
by Coy Day 20 Jan '03

20 Jan '03

Hope everyone made it home okay. This note is to share some words of wisdom from a conversation that I overheard between two Marriott workers. She said to him, "Do you understand how a checklist works". He replied in broken English, "Yes, do the job, check it off". She replied, "Good and it is a good tool provided you actually do the job before you check it off". I thought about this a while and realized that we are all guilty of this at times. Some great things were generated at this board meeting. Let's take care not to check them off before they are completed. In particular, I'm thinking right now of the "Year of the Member". We have a bit of a setback caused by W1MAN. It is just the kind of thing to which you want to REACT but let's not let that get our focus off the real objective. Coy ........... Coy Day, N5OK, ARRL West Gulf Division Director RR 1 Box 254, Union City, OK 73090-9726 Home: (405) 483-5632, Cell: (405) 740-8990 Mailto:n5ok@arrl.org Web: http://home.att.net/~n5ok.ok/

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[ARRL-ODV:8257] Re: K1MAN
by Mike Raisbeck 20 Jan '03

20 Jan '03

Hello All, A few thoughts on the K1MAN thing, and a few lessons we might take from it: 1 - Perhaps we shouldn't be too upset, though I can understand Bill Pasternak's gut reaction. K1MAN is doing exactly what we said we wanted - spreading the news. 2 - I will guess that he has edited out the ARRL contact info at the end of the movie and inserted his own. If so, that's probably the best way we can attack him - we can claim that he is interferring with our membership gathering opportunity. To have an effective case against him, it sure helps to be able to show monetary damages. Also, if he did do what I just theorized, it strengthens our case. The fact that he gives the disc away for free does not mean that his purpose is not commercial. If his purpose is commercial, it strengthens our case against him. 3 - Has anyone started the process of getting a copy from K1MAN? If not, I will. We need to know exactly what he did. 4 - My recollection is that statutory damages (ie., damages without regard to actual monetary loss on our part) are available in a copyright case, but only after the item has been properly registered. Did we do so? If not, we should. I presume that Chris is reading the fine statutory print on this. 5 - I went through the video again with undivided attention applied. I saw ARRL logo only appears once and very small, on the red badge of one of the participants. By contrast, the Salvation Army ID appears several times in large print. Perhaps for the next video we should sneak our logo in a bit more prominently. If Glenn Baxter is going to edit our stuff (not yet verified!!), at least let's make it hard for him :-) 6 - a bit more info on the permitted uses of the image might be a good idea, both on the CD's and on the web site. I suggest that we add a license that makes it clear that: a) any copying of the movie must copy it in it's entirety, without editing or addition. b) any copy must clearly identify the source of the movie (the ARRL) and must provide then current contact information to us (the trailer at the end of the movie does this). c) any copy of the movie must carry with it a copy of the license. d) the license may not be modified e) anyone who makes a copy of the movie may do so only under the terms of the license, and must grant to the recipient the same license terms. Those of you in the computer field will recognize some of these ideas as being borrowed from the famous GNU "Copy Left" license. 73, Mike K1TWF

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