October 2002 - arrl-odv - reflector.arrl.org

[ARRL-ODV:7888] Re: 300 word statements
by Wilson, Mark K1RO 22 Oct '02

22 Oct '02

PDF files with the candidate statements are now available on the ODV area of the Web site. These are copies of the statements as mailed to members with the ballots and include the photos. The files are linked under the Miscellaneous Documents section of the ODV mail page at http://www.arrl.org/members-only/ODV/ and the direct link to the file directory is http://www.arrl.org/members-only/ODV/docs/Candidate-Statements/2002/ Let me know if you have any problem access or reading these. 73, Mark K1RO

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[ARRL-ODV:7887] Re: 300 word statements
by dick＠pobox.com 22 Oct '02

22 Oct '02

22 OCT, 2002 - 0945 CDT Posting these statements to the ODV portion of the ARRL web site will save the postage cost - some thing we all generally agreed this last July could be applied to a lot of items that are mailed to us. I would take Kay's suggestion one step further and suggest a PDF file of the statement portion of the election flyer that would include the candidate's picture. 73 - Dick, W9GIG

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[ARRL-ODV:7886] Re: 300 word statements
by Kay Craigie 22 Oct '02

22 Oct '02

I haven't seen the full set of statements, either, and would enjoy reading them. If it's too expensive to mail copies to the Board, could the texts be posted in a Board-only section of the web site? --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com) Version: 6.0.404 / Virus Database: 228 - Release Date: 10/15/2002

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[ARRL-ODV:7885] 300 word statements
by Bruce Frahm K0BJ 22 Oct '02

22 Oct '02

In some (most?) recent elections, LISTB has been sent the 300 word statements of candidates in all contested board elections. I enjoy seeing those and wonder if we might be able to get them for this election. Bruce

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[ARRL-ODV:7884] Fw: Interference on 2m simplex frequencies; Still more info
by Walton Stinson, W0CP 21 Oct '02

21 Oct '02

Interference on 2m simplex frequenciesDave, The Echolink and IRLP nodes are popping up on 2m out here, as I'm sure they are elsewhere. No one seems to know quite how to classify them and there even a question as to whether they are legal (see below). Do we have an "official" position on the classification of this activity? Is there an NFCC position on coordination of this activity? 73, Walt W0CP ----- Original Message ----- From: Douglas Sharp (EWU) To: 'Jeff Ryan' ; W0CP Walton Stinson Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 2:51 PM Subject: RE: Interference on 2m simplex frequencies; Still more info I'm not sure that I completely agree with the interpretation below. Some thoughts for you guys . I pulled Part 97 from the ARRL web page. The first section of interest is §97.113 Prohibited transmissions: 97.113f - No amateur station, except an auxiliary, repeater or space station, may automatically retransmit the radio signals of other amateur stations. IRLP nodes mainly operate under Automatic Control (unattended). So they must then fall into either auxiliary or repeater operation (obviously not space so I'll ignore that one). So, what defines each? §97.3 Definitions. (a) The definitions of terms used in Part 97 are: (7) Auxiliary station. An amateur station, other than in a message forwarding system, that is transmitting communications point-to-point within a system of cooperating amateur stations. (39) Repeater. An amateur station that simultaneously retransmits the transmission of another amateur station on a different channel or channels. I believe that when the FCC wrote these rules that they felt: Auxiliary is a point-to-point link. (For example: Between the CRA site on Conifer and the CRA site on Lee Hill. Communications are limited to only include these two stations.) Repeater is a traditional repeater and communications are sent "point to multi-point." (For example: 146.970 MHz on Pikes Peak.). I suspect an IRLP nodes is more a "point to multi-point", therefore might be classified a repeater. But it is not a traditional repeater, since the TX and RX are physically isolated and under different parties control, so the repeater classification may not apply. From these definitions it seems not to be auxiliary, but also not to be a repeater. So what is it? I guess I state the obvious. J On a side note, I'm also concerned that if classified a repeater, then CCARC might have to coordinate every IRLP and EchoLink node in Colorado. (Not something I am looking forward to do!) Regardless, I think this is something that we need to determine and resolve. I am pressed for time today, thus wrote this very quickly, so I hope my comments above make sense. J How do we get to the bottom of it? 73, - Doug -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Ryan [mailto:Jeff.Ryan@wcom.com] Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 10:12 PM To: Doug Sharp; W0CP Walton Stinson Subject: RE: Interference on 2m simplex frequencies; Still more info Doug / Walt: John Hennessee, ARRL's regulatory information specialist has responded that it is his position that simplex links to IRLP nodes fall under 97.219-- they are "message forwarding systems". What follows is my interpretation / expansion on John's statement. Part 97.221 tells us that if the message forwarding system transmits RTTY or data, it can be automatically controlled. Since IRLP simplex links are transmitting voice, they do not fall under 97.221, so they may not be automatically controlled (unattended). A control operator must be present at the control point at all times the link is forwarding messages (e.g., the link is active), either locally or remotely. If the control operator is present locally, transmission (message forwarding) on 2 meters is permitted. If the control operator is present remotely, then the remote location is an Auxiliary Station and control of the radio that interfaces to the IRLP node must conform to 97.201(b) and ensure the 'link' frequency is 1.25 meter and shorter wavelengths. Another point about auxiliary stations is that the operation can not be "open" to just anyone--- each operator must be specifically authorized to act as the Control Operator. Insofar as the specific operation of the N0MFB IRLP simplex link, the messages I have received do not indicate specifically how he is using the link. I did notice on one of the IRLP node maps/web pages that there are many other 2 meter simplex frequencies listed-- but this fact doesn't make it legal. An example of another area that is replete with misunderstanding and misuse is the operation of so-called dual band radios in "cross-band repeat" mode. There are many hams across the U.S. that simply do not understand some of the guidelines that must be followed and operate illegally because they: -- fail to identify all transmissions emanating from the cross-band 'repeater'; -- use 2 meters from an HT or other mobile into the x-band radio -- fail to provide a method for shutting off the x-band radio should the control link fail (no time-out timer) In a manner similar to these issues, it is my contention that many IRLP node operators with a simplex link don't understand the rules under which they should be operating. The ARRL is planning on including a 'sidebar' about IRLP operation in the next edition of the Rule Book when published-- but I don't think that will solve the problem. (ARRL ran an article about cross-band 'repeater' issues but there are still dozens--if not hundreds-- of people still violating Part 97 because they don't know any better). So... this is my take on the issue. If you see any flaws in my logic, or disagree with my conclusions, please let me know. 73, Jeff -----Original Message----- From: Doug Sharp [mailto:doug@dougsharp.com] Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2002 9:38 AM To: W0CP Walton Stinson; Jeff. Ryan@WCom. Com Subject: FW: Interference on 2m simplex frequencies; Still more info Walt, As we discussed, IRLP nodes are coming on-line every day. Here is another example of a node (right here in Boulder) that came on-line on a non-standard channel on the two-meter band. Thankfully this guy was willing to work with me (informally) to move him on-bandplan, but all are not as cooperative! J Although he is also requesting a UHF repeater coordination, he stated that he wanted to leave his node on VHF to give it more access to all. As we discussed, I am unsure of these unattended simplex nodes are proper on two-meters. It appears that Jeff has also asked someone at HQ for an opinion. I look forward to hearing that opinion. I thought I'd forward his e-mail to you since we discussed this item at the last hamfest, and you may be also inquiring. Thanks & 73, - Doug Doug Sharp Longmont, CO doug(a)dougsharp.com k2ad(a)dougsharp.com -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Ryan [mailto:Jeff.Ryan@wcom.com] Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2002 6:39 PM To: Gary Geissinger Cc: Skip Cubbedge; Mike Lewis; Gary Mattie; K2AD(a)arrl.net Subject: RE: Interference on 2m simplex frequencies; Still more info Gary: The CCARC Frequency Coordinator spoke informally with N0MFB about the IRLP node on 146.560. At this time it is still unclear whether or not this is a matter for which the CCARC would be involved which is why the discussion is categorized as informal; nevertheless, N0MFB has indicated he will move his operation to 146.565 to comply with the Colorado band plan. This should eliminate any interference to 146.550. I have requested the ARRL Regulatory Information folks give me their opinion as to whether or not running a simplex IRLP link is auxiliary station operation. (It is my opinion that a simplex link to an IRLP node is a remote base, which falls under Auxiliary Station operation). If it is, then N0MFB must move his operation to a frequency above 222.15 in order to comply with FCC rules Part 97.201(b). I'll keep you posted. 73, Jeff, K0RM ARRL Section Manager, Colorado -----Original Message----- From: Gary Geissinger [mailto:ggeissinger@digitalglobe.com] Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 4:14 PM To: 'Jeff Ryan' Cc: Skip Cubbedge; Mike Lewis; Gary Mattie Subject: RE: Interference on 2m simplex frequencies; Still more info Jeff, Here is some additional research. N0MFB has an IRLP node. It is advertised to be on 146.560. See: http://status.irlp.net/IRLPLowCPU.php3?option=3&refresh=-1 Well, what is the ARRLs position on this activity and the 2 meter band plan? I'll tell you this; if he stays on 145.560, then both local simplex frequencies are going to be useless. Thanks and 73's, Gary

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[ARRL-ODV:7883] Old OD and ODV messages
by Tom Frenaye 21 Oct '02

21 Oct '02

Dick/W9GIG and a couple of others needed some "fills" on ODV messages recently. Here's how to get them directly, thanks to Don Durand. -- Tom >Subject: RE: old msgs >Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2002 10:06:16 -0400 >From: "Durand, Don" <ddurand(a)arrl.org> >To: "Frenaye, Tom (Dir, NE)" <frenaye(a)pcnet.com> > >Tom, > While it's not possible for you to directly browse a given list for messages, you do have the ability to retrieve messages via e-mail by date. The steps are as follows: > >1. address an email to lyris(a)reflector.arrl.org > >2. in the subject line, put "get arrl-od yyyymmdd-yyyymmdd" (don't use the quotes in the subject line) to retrieve all messages within that date range. > >3. simply replace "arrl-od" with the name of any other list that you are a member of to retrieve messages in the same manner. > > Let me know if you have any questions. > >Don ===== e-mail: k1ki(a)arrl.org ARRL New England Division Director http://www.arrl.org/ Tom Frenaye, K1KI, P O Box J, West Suffield CT 06093 Phone: 860-668-5444

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[ARRL-ODV:7882] Re: Kenwood
by W3KD＠aol.com 21 Oct '02

21 Oct '02

In a message dated 10/18/2002 6:30:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, wstinson(a)listenup.com writes: > > I was just reading in a CE trade journal that Kenwood lost $218 million > last year. That might explain why we haven't seen much product output from > them. They are laying off 30% of their work force in a consolidation and > closing some plants. The press release says that they are keeping their US > communications division largely intact. They are raising new capital and > hope to return to profitability in their next FY. > > I am sure all that is correct. The problem seems to be on the audio side of the house. The land mobile radio half (into which Amateur Radio is lumped) is the profitable part. Nonetheless, there was a consolidation, and Tom Wineland is out, effective in the next couple of weeks, max. The fate of the Georgia office is in some doubt long term, and it is likely that they will move everyone back into Long Beach, since that is where the mobile radio side of the house will be managed. I don't know more than that. Chris

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[ARRL-ODV:7881] Re: Missed ODV/OD Postings?
by Tuck Miller NZ6T ARRL SWD Vice Director 19 Oct '02

19 Oct '02

Dick, of course not sure how the "Amerwreck" service is, but with my ISP (cable), I can go to their web page, and get my mail from there. Would that be possible in your case? 73, Tuck dick(a)pobox.com wrote: > 18 OCT, 2002 - 1630 CDT > > My original plan was to switch ISPs right before the end of this month. > However, the ISP I was using, SBC-Ameritech (known as "Ameriwreck" here > in Illinois), screwed up my DSL connection two days ago and they still > cannot give me an estimate of when service will be restored. I'm getting > a daily refund of my service (had to request it) that will be credited > to my next bill. I wonder if they will get the DSL circuit back up > before I cancel it on 31 October? I wonder if I will ever be able to > retrieve the few messages I know are still on SBC's email server system? > > I already had the new service (sort of) up and running - there are still > some line quality issues to be resolved between SBC-Ameritech and > Speakeasy. But this circuit is still up even though SBC-Ameritech > apparently can't keep their DSL service running. I've logged over > thirty interruptions of DSL service in almost the year I have used > SBC-Ameritech. > I'm now using Speakeasy full-time for all my email and web browsing a bit > earlier than planned. > > If I missed any messages posted to the ODV and/or OD Reflectors in the > last > 48 hours, would somebody please send them directly to me at: > dick(a)pobox.com? > > Thanks & 73 - Dick, W9GIG > > > -- ************************************************ Remember, Helping Others....Always Worthwhile!! Southwestern Division Vice Director American Radio Relay League (ARRL) The national association for AMATEUR RADIO Are you a member yet? If not, visit http://www.arrl.org/join.html Tuck's Personal Web Page: http://www.qsl.net/nz6t Follow Tuck around the Division via APRS: http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/find.cgi?NZ6T-9 To send a brief (110 Character max) e-mail, send to nz6t(a)amsat.org

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[ARRL-ODV:7880] Kenwood
by Walton Stinson, W0CP 18 Oct '02

18 Oct '02

BlankI was just reading in a CE trade journal that Kenwood lost $218 million last year. That might explain why we haven't seen much product output from them. They are laying off 30% of their work force in a consolidation and closing some plants. The press release says that they are keeping their US communications division largely intact. They are raising new capital and hope to return to profitability in their next FY. 73, Walt W0CP

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[ARRL-ODV:7879] Re: Missed ODV/OD Postings?
by Huntington Howard-CADV02 18 Oct '02

18 Oct '02

Dick, On Monday, I will look for any messages ccd to me that you may have missed. I am leaving soon and I have maybe 300 emails in the last 48 hours. Howie -----Original Message----- From: dick(a)pobox.com [mailto:dick@pobox.com] Sent: Friday, October 18, 2002 4:52 PM To: arrl-odv Subject: [ARRL-ODV:7878] Missed ODV/OD Postings? 18 OCT, 2002 - 1630 CDT My original plan was to switch ISPs right before the end of this month. However, the ISP I was using, SBC-Ameritech (known as "Ameriwreck" here in Illinois), screwed up my DSL connection two days ago and they still cannot give me an estimate of when service will be restored. I'm getting a daily refund of my service (had to request it) that will be credited to my next bill. I wonder if they will get the DSL circuit back up before I cancel it on 31 October? I wonder if I will ever be able to retrieve the few messages I know are still on SBC's email server system? I already had the new service (sort of) up and running - there are still some line quality issues to be resolved between SBC-Ameritech and Speakeasy. But this circuit is still up even though SBC-Ameritech apparently can't keep their DSL service running. I've logged over thirty interruptions of DSL service in almost the year I have used SBC-Ameritech. I'm now using Speakeasy full-time for all my email and web browsing a bit earlier than planned. If I missed any messages posted to the ODV and/or OD Reflectors in the last 48 hours, would somebody please send them directly to me at: dick(a)pobox.com? Thanks & 73 - Dick, W9GIG

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