[arrl-odv:22418] Symbol rate FAQ
Here is the symbol rate FAQ that I propose to post in accordance with Minute 51 of the January Board Meeting. Suggestions for additions and clarifications are welcome. I want to acknowledge Brennan Price's considerable contribution to the FAQ, without which it would not yet be ready for your perusal. Both of us had to overcome our usual inclination to go into great detail when just a simple explanation is called for. 73, Dave Sumner, K1ZZ Frequently Asked Questions about the ARRL "Symbol Rate" petition, RM-11708 Q: Why did the ARRL think the petition to eliminate regulation by symbol rate was needed? A: HF data emissions are now limited to symbol rates that are based on the long-obsolete technology of the early telephone modems. Regulation by symbol rate is not appropriate for present and future generations of digital data modes; it prohibits the use of some new, efficient modes while not preventing the introduction of digital data modes with much wider bandwidths than are now in use. Q: The petition proposes to substitute a bandwidth limit of 2.8 kHz for the symbol rate limits - why 2.8 kHz and not some other figure? A: It accommodates the digital data modes that are now in widespread use while limiting future development to the bandwidth of an SSB transceiver. Q: Would the proposed revision have any effect on phone or image operation? A: No. There is no proposal to revise any rule applicable to the phone and image subbands. Q: Would the proposed revision have any effect on digital voice operation? A: No. The FCC rules define digital voice as phone. Q: Does the proposed revision permit wider use of automatically controlled digital stations? A: No. Section 97.221 would remain unchanged. Q: Does the proposal expand the frequencies on which unspecified digital codes may be used? A: No, although an error in the original ARRL filing suggested otherwise. As soon as it was discovered, this was corrected through the filing of an erratum. Q: Is the proposal a precursor to large-scale regulation by bandwidth? A: No. The proposal is to regulate the bandwidth of a single type of emission (data) in order to narrowly and surgically eliminate an outdated limitation in the FCC rules which precludes radio amateurs from experimenting and contributing to the radio art as fully as they should. Posted February xx, 2014
Dave, having just seen this, it strikes me that it might benefit from the addition of a point that addresses the fundamental objection that we hear over and over: which is the assumption that the Committee didn't consider the cumulative effect on CW, RTTY and narrow bandwidth data emissions from a plethora of new, 2.8 kilohertz data stations. I realize that a response to that objection calls for speculation on both sides of the argument, but to my mind there is not much benefit in a FAQ that doesn't get to what the vocal minority of objectors are actually concerned about. We might note that any future crowding of the RTTY/data subbands is handled by voluntary band planning. There is the corollary suggestion that is also heard repeatedly from objectors that such wider bandwidth data emissions should be relegated to the phone/image subbands; The response to which is that such a fundamental reconfiguration of the HF bands WOULD constitute a broad-based endorsement of regulation by bandwidth, a subject with far more ramifications than are contained within the much more limited RM-11708. 73, Chris W3KD Christopher D. Imlay Booth, Freret, Imlay & Tepper. P.C. 14356 Cape May Road Silver Spring, Maryland 20904-6011 (301) 384-5525 telephone (301) 384-6384 facsimile W3KD@ARRL.ORG -----Original Message----- From: Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ, K1ZZ <dsumner@arrl.org> To: arrl-odv <arrl-odv@arrl.org> Sent: Thu, Feb 6, 2014 2:23 pm Subject: [arrl-odv:22418] Symbol rate FAQ Here is the symbol rate FAQ that I propose to post in accordance with Minute 51 of the January Board Meeting. Suggestions for additions and clarifications are welcome. I want to acknowledge Brennan Price’s considerable contribution to the FAQ, without which it would not yet be ready for your perusal. Both of us had to overcome our usual inclination to go into great detail when just a simple explanation is called for. 73, Dave Sumner, K1ZZ Frequently Asked Questions about the ARRL “Symbol Rate” petition, RM-11708 Q: Why did the ARRL think the petition to eliminate regulation by symbol rate was needed? A: HF data emissions are now limited to symbol rates that are based on the long-obsolete technology of the early telephone modems. Regulation by symbol rate is not appropriate for present and future generations of digital data modes; it prohibits the use of some new, efficient modes while not preventing the introduction of digital data modes with much wider bandwidths than are now in use. Q: The petition proposes to substitute a bandwidth limit of 2.8 kHz for the symbol rate limits – why 2.8 kHz and not some other figure? A: It accommodates the digital data modes that are now in widespread use while limiting future development to the bandwidth of an SSB transceiver. Q: Would the proposed revision have any effect on phone or image operation? A: No. There is no proposal to revise any rule applicable to the phone and image subbands. Q: Would the proposed revision have any effect on digital voice operation? A: No. The FCC rules define digital voice as phone. Q: Does the proposed revision permit wider use of automatically controlled digital stations? A: No. Section 97.221 would remain unchanged. Q: Does the proposal expand the frequencies on which unspecified digital codes may be used? A: No, although an error in the original ARRL filing suggested otherwise. As soon as it was discovered, this was corrected through the filing of an erratum. Q: Is the proposal a precursor to large-scale regulation by bandwidth? A: No. The proposal is to regulate the bandwidth of a single type of emission (data) in order to narrowly and surgically eliminate an outdated limitation in the FCC rules which precludes radio amateurs from experimenting and contributing to the radio art as fully as they should. Posted February xx, 2014 _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org http://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv
Chris, I understand your point but I think the Board addressed that concern separately in Minute 47 with its charge to the HF Band Planning Committee. Raising it in the context of the rulemaking proceeding would perpetuate the misconception that it is related to Part 97, which it is not. Rick Roderick isn’t letting any grass grow under his feet; the HF Band Planning Committee is holding its first teleconference next week. Dave K1ZZ From: Imlay, Chris, W3KD Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2014 4:38 PM To: Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ; arrl-odv Subject: Re: [arrl-odv:22418] Symbol rate FAQ Dave, having just seen this, it strikes me that it might benefit from the addition of a point that addresses the fundamental objection that we hear over and over: which is the assumption that the Committee didn't consider the cumulative effect on CW, RTTY and narrow bandwidth data emissions from a plethora of new, 2.8 kilohertz data stations. I realize that a response to that objection calls for speculation on both sides of the argument, but to my mind there is not much benefit in a FAQ that doesn't get to what the vocal minority of objectors are actually concerned about. We might note that any future crowding of the RTTY/data subbands is handled by voluntary band planning. There is the corollary suggestion that is also heard repeatedly from objectors that such wider bandwidth data emissions should be relegated to the phone/image subbands; The response to which is that such a fundamental reconfiguration of the HF bands WOULD constitute a broad-based endorsement of regulation by bandwidth, a subject with far more ramifications than are contained within the much more limited RM-11708. 73, Chris W3KD Christopher D. Imlay Booth, Freret, Imlay & Tepper. P.C. 14356 Cape May Road Silver Spring, Maryland 20904-6011 (301) 384-5525 telephone (301) 384-6384 facsimile W3KD@ARRL.ORG<mailto:W3KD@ARRL.ORG> -----Original Message----- From: Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ, K1ZZ <dsumner@arrl.org<mailto:dsumner@arrl.org>> To: arrl-odv <arrl-odv@arrl.org<mailto:arrl-odv@arrl.org>> Sent: Thu, Feb 6, 2014 2:23 pm Subject: [arrl-odv:22418] Symbol rate FAQ Here is the symbol rate FAQ that I propose to post in accordance with Minute 51 of the January Board Meeting. Suggestions for additions and clarifications are welcome. I want to acknowledge Brennan Price’s considerable contribution to the FAQ, without which it would not yet be ready for your perusal. Both of us had to overcome our usual inclination to go into great detail when just a simple explanation is called for. 73, Dave Sumner, K1ZZ Frequently Asked Questions about the ARRL “Symbol Rate” petition, RM-11708 Q: Why did the ARRL think the petition to eliminate regulation by symbol rate was needed? A: HF data emissions are now limited to symbol rates that are based on the long-obsolete technology of the early telephone modems. Regulation by symbol rate is not appropriate for present and future generations of digital data modes; it prohibits the use of some new, efficient modes while not preventing the introduction of digital data modes with much wider bandwidths than are now in use. Q: The petition proposes to substitute a bandwidth limit of 2.8 kHz for the symbol rate limits – why 2.8 kHz and not some other figure? A: It accommodates the digital data modes that are now in widespread use while limiting future development to the bandwidth of an SSB transceiver. Q: Would the proposed revision have any effect on phone or image operation? A: No. There is no proposal to revise any rule applicable to the phone and image subbands. Q: Would the proposed revision have any effect on digital voice operation? A: No. The FCC rules define digital voice as phone. Q: Does the proposed revision permit wider use of automatically controlled digital stations? A: No. Section 97.221 would remain unchanged. Q: Does the proposal expand the frequencies on which unspecified digital codes may be used? A: No, although an error in the original ARRL filing suggested otherwise. As soon as it was discovered, this was corrected through the filing of an erratum. Q: Is the proposal a precursor to large-scale regulation by bandwidth? A: No. The proposal is to regulate the bandwidth of a single type of emission (data) in order to narrowly and surgically eliminate an outdated limitation in the FCC rules which precludes radio amateurs from experimenting and contributing to the radio art as fully as they should. Posted February xx, 2014 _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org<mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> http://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv
Having thought about this question a while, I believe Chris has surfaced some questions that pop up in the symbol rate debate, and that we must somehow address. On the other hand, Dave is certainly right that these issues are not strictly speaking about the petition. Nonetheless, they continue to be raised in the overall discussion about symbol rate. I suggest that a step toward resolving this would be to ask Chris to draft one or two additional FAQs that would address the points he has raised, at the same time clarifying that they are about band planning and other mode allocations, not the petition *per se*. These two clarifications have some potential, for those willing to read and understand them, of clarifying what the petition is all about. 73, Greg, K0GW On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 3:43 PM, Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ <dsumner@arrl.org> wrote:
Chris, I understand your point but I think the Board addressed that concern separately in Minute 47 with its charge to the HF Band Planning Committee. Raising it in the context of the rulemaking proceeding would perpetuate the misconception that it is related to Part 97, which it is not.
Rick Roderick isn't letting any grass grow under his feet; the HF Band Planning Committee is holding its first teleconference next week.
Dave K1ZZ
*From:* Imlay, Chris, W3KD *Sent:* Thursday, February 06, 2014 4:38 PM *To:* Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ; arrl-odv *Subject:* Re: [arrl-odv:22418] Symbol rate FAQ
Dave, having just seen this, it strikes me that it might benefit from the addition of a point that addresses the fundamental objection that we hear over and over: which is the assumption that the Committee didn't consider the cumulative effect on CW, RTTY and narrow bandwidth data emissions from a plethora of new, 2.8 kilohertz data stations. I realize that a response to that objection calls for speculation on both sides of the argument, but to my mind there is not much benefit in a FAQ that doesn't get to what the vocal minority of objectors are actually concerned about. We might note that any future crowding of the RTTY/data subbands is handled by voluntary band planning.
There is the corollary suggestion that is also heard repeatedly from objectors that such wider bandwidth data emissions should be relegated to the phone/image subbands; The response to which is that such a fundamental reconfiguration of the HF bands WOULD constitute a broad-based endorsement of regulation by bandwidth, a subject with far more ramifications than are contained within the much more limited RM-11708.
73, Chris W3KD
Christopher D. Imlay Booth, Freret, Imlay & Tepper. P.C. 14356 Cape May Road Silver Spring, Maryland 20904-6011 (301) 384-5525 telephone (301) 384-6384 facsimile W3KD@ARRL.ORG
-----Original Message----- From: Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ, K1ZZ <dsumner@arrl.org> To: arrl-odv <arrl-odv@arrl.org> Sent: Thu, Feb 6, 2014 2:23 pm Subject: [arrl-odv:22418] Symbol rate FAQ
Here is the symbol rate FAQ that I propose to post in accordance with Minute 51 of the January Board Meeting. Suggestions for additions and clarifications are welcome.
I want to acknowledge Brennan Price's considerable contribution to the FAQ, without which it would not yet be ready for your perusal. Both of us had to overcome our usual inclination to go into great detail when just a simple explanation is called for.
73,
Dave Sumner, K1ZZ
*Frequently Asked Questions about the ARRL "Symbol Rate" petition, RM-11708*
Q: Why did the ARRL think the petition to eliminate regulation by symbol rate was needed?
A: HF data emissions are now limited to symbol rates that are based on the long-obsolete technology of the early telephone modems. Regulation by symbol rate is not appropriate for present and future generations of digital data modes; it prohibits the use of some new, efficient modes while not preventing the introduction of digital data modes with much wider bandwidths than are now in use.
Q: The petition proposes to substitute a bandwidth limit of 2.8 kHz for the symbol rate limits - why 2.8 kHz and not some other figure?
A: It accommodates the digital data modes that are now in widespread use while limiting future development to the bandwidth of an SSB transceiver.
Q: Would the proposed revision have any effect on phone or image operation?
A: No. There is no proposal to revise any rule applicable to the phone and image subbands.
Q: Would the proposed revision have any effect on digital voice operation?
A: No. The FCC rules define digital voice as phone.
Q: Does the proposed revision permit wider use of automatically controlled digital stations?
A: No. Section 97.221 would remain unchanged.
Q: Does the proposal expand the frequencies on which unspecified digital codes may be used?
A: No, although an error in the original ARRL filing suggested otherwise. As soon as it was discovered, this was corrected through the filing of an erratum.
Q: Is the proposal a precursor to large-scale regulation by bandwidth?
A: No. The proposal is to regulate the bandwidth of a single type of emission (data) in order to narrowly and surgically eliminate an outdated limitation in the FCC rules which precludes radio amateurs from experimenting and contributing to the radio art as fully as they should.
Posted February xx, 2014
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GM All, I am in agreement with what Greg has stated here. We get several related topic questions at meetings and hamfests and a FAQ on these items Chris addressed usually cole up. 73 David A. Norris, K5UZ Director Delta Division Sent from my iPhone On Feb 7, 2014, at 6:35 AM, G Widin <gpwidin@comcast.net> wrote:
Having thought about this question a while, I believe Chris has surfaced some questions that pop up in the symbol rate debate, and that we must somehow address. On the other hand, Dave is certainly right that these issues are not strictly speaking about the petition. Nonetheless, they continue to be raised in the overall discussion about symbol rate.
I suggest that a step toward resolving this would be to ask Chris to draft one or two additional FAQs that would address the points he has raised, at the same time clarifying that they are about band planning and other mode allocations, not the petition per se. These two clarifications have some potential, for those willing to read and understand them, of clarifying what the petition is all about. 73, Greg, K0GW
On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 3:43 PM, Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ <dsumner@arrl.org> wrote:
Chris, I understand your point but I think the Board addressed that concern separately in Minute 47 with its charge to the HF Band Planning Committee. Raising it in the context of the rulemaking proceeding would perpetuate the misconception that it is related to Part 97, which it is not.
Rick Roderick isn’t letting any grass grow under his feet; the HF Band Planning Committee is holding its first teleconference next week.
Dave K1ZZ
From: Imlay, Chris, W3KD Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2014 4:38 PM To: Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ; arrl-odv Subject: Re: [arrl-odv:22418] Symbol rate FAQ
Dave, having just seen this, it strikes me that it might benefit from the addition of a point that addresses the fundamental objection that we hear over and over: which is the assumption that the Committee didn't consider the cumulative effect on CW, RTTY and narrow bandwidth data emissions from a plethora of new, 2.8 kilohertz data stations. I realize that a response to that objection calls for speculation on both sides of the argument, but to my mind there is not much benefit in a FAQ that doesn't get to what the vocal minority of objectors are actually concerned about. We might note that any future crowding of the RTTY/data subbands is handled by voluntary band planning.
There is the corollary suggestion that is also heard repeatedly from objectors that such wider bandwidth data emissions should be relegated to the phone/image subbands; The response to which is that such a fundamental reconfiguration of the HF bands WOULD constitute a broad-based endorsement of regulation by bandwidth, a subject with far more ramifications than are contained within the much more limited RM-11708.
73, Chris W3KD
Christopher D. Imlay Booth, Freret, Imlay & Tepper. P.C. 14356 Cape May Road Silver Spring, Maryland 20904-6011 (301) 384-5525 telephone (301) 384-6384 facsimile W3KD@ARRL.ORG
-----Original Message----- From: Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ, K1ZZ <dsumner@arrl.org> To: arrl-odv <arrl-odv@arrl.org> Sent: Thu, Feb 6, 2014 2:23 pm Subject: [arrl-odv:22418] Symbol rate FAQ
Here is the symbol rate FAQ that I propose to post in accordance with Minute 51 of the January Board Meeting. Suggestions for additions and clarifications are welcome.
I want to acknowledge Brennan Price’s considerable contribution to the FAQ, without which it would not yet be ready for your perusal. Both of us had to overcome our usual inclination to go into great detail when just a simple explanation is called for.
73,
Dave Sumner, K1ZZ
Frequently Asked Questions about the ARRL “Symbol Rate” petition, RM-11708
Q: Why did the ARRL think the petition to eliminate regulation by symbol rate was needed?
A: HF data emissions are now limited to symbol rates that are based on the long-obsolete technology of the early telephone modems. Regulation by symbol rate is not appropriate for present and future generations of digital data modes; it prohibits the use of some new, efficient modes while not preventing the introduction of digital data modes with much wider bandwidths than are now in use.
Q: The petition proposes to substitute a bandwidth limit of 2.8 kHz for the symbol rate limits – why 2.8 kHz and not some other figure?
A: It accommodates the digital data modes that are now in widespread use while limiting future development to the bandwidth of an SSB transceiver.
Q: Would the proposed revision have any effect on phone or image operation?
A: No. There is no proposal to revise any rule applicable to the phone and image subbands.
Q: Would the proposed revision have any effect on digital voice operation?
A: No. The FCC rules define digital voice as phone.
Q: Does the proposed revision permit wider use of automatically controlled digital stations?
A: No. Section 97.221 would remain unchanged.
Q: Does the proposal expand the frequencies on which unspecified digital codes may be used?
A: No, although an error in the original ARRL filing suggested otherwise. As soon as it was discovered, this was corrected through the filing of an erratum.
Q: Is the proposal a precursor to large-scale regulation by bandwidth?
A: No. The proposal is to regulate the bandwidth of a single type of emission (data) in order to narrowly and surgically eliminate an outdated limitation in the FCC rules which precludes radio amateurs from experimenting and contributing to the radio art as fully as they should.
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I agree with the addition, as suggested by Chris and the request by Greg. We just had the exact situation from a very vocal club member this last Tuesday at the monthly meeting. To not address it would give the appearance that we haven't thought-through the issue. best, Mike Mike Lee - AA6ML ARRL Vice Director Southeastern Division (702) 494-9066 aa6ml@arrl.org ARRL - The National Association for Amateur Radio On Feb 7, 2014, at 8:07 AM, David Norris <k5uz@suddenlink.net> wrote:
GM All,
I am in agreement with what Greg has stated here. We get several related topic questions at meetings and hamfests and a FAQ on these items Chris addressed usually cole up.
73
David A. Norris, K5UZ Director Delta Division
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 7, 2014, at 6:35 AM, G Widin <gpwidin@comcast.net> wrote:
Having thought about this question a while, I believe Chris has surfaced some questions that pop up in the symbol rate debate, and that we must somehow address. On the other hand, Dave is certainly right that these issues are not strictly speaking about the petition. Nonetheless, they continue to be raised in the overall discussion about symbol rate.
I suggest that a step toward resolving this would be to ask Chris to draft one or two additional FAQs that would address the points he has raised, at the same time clarifying that they are about band planning and other mode allocations, not the petition per se. These two clarifications have some potential, for those willing to read and understand them, of clarifying what the petition is all about. 73, Greg, K0GW
On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 3:43 PM, Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ <dsumner@arrl.org> wrote: Chris, I understand your point but I think the Board addressed that concern separately in Minute 47 with its charge to the HF Band Planning Committee. Raising it in the context of the rulemaking proceeding would perpetuate the misconception that it is related to Part 97, which it is not.
Rick Roderick isn’t letting any grass grow under his feet; the HF Band Planning Committee is holding its first teleconference next week.
Dave K1ZZ
From: Imlay, Chris, W3KD Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2014 4:38 PM To: Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ; arrl-odv Subject: Re: [arrl-odv:22418] Symbol rate FAQ
Dave, having just seen this, it strikes me that it might benefit from the addition of a point that addresses the fundamental objection that we hear over and over: which is the assumption that the Committee didn't consider the cumulative effect on CW, RTTY and narrow bandwidth data emissions from a plethora of new, 2.8 kilohertz data stations. I realize that a response to that objection calls for speculation on both sides of the argument, but to my mind there is not much benefit in a FAQ that doesn't get to what the vocal minority of objectors are actually concerned about. We might note that any future crowding of the RTTY/data subbands is handled by voluntary band planning.
There is the corollary suggestion that is also heard repeatedly from objectors that such wider bandwidth data emissions should be relegated to the phone/image subbands; The response to which is that such a fundamental reconfiguration of the HF bands WOULD constitute a broad-based endorsement of regulation by bandwidth, a subject with far more ramifications than are contained within the much more limited RM-11708.
73, Chris W3KD
Christopher D. Imlay Booth, Freret, Imlay & Tepper. P.C. 14356 Cape May Road Silver Spring, Maryland 20904-6011 (301) 384-5525 telephone (301) 384-6384 facsimile W3KD@ARRL.ORG
-----Original Message----- From: Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ, K1ZZ <dsumner@arrl.org> To: arrl-odv <arrl-odv@arrl.org> Sent: Thu, Feb 6, 2014 2:23 pm Subject: [arrl-odv:22418] Symbol rate FAQ
Here is the symbol rate FAQ that I propose to post in accordance with Minute 51 of the January Board Meeting. Suggestions for additions and clarifications are welcome.
I want to acknowledge Brennan Price’s considerable contribution to the FAQ, without which it would not yet be ready for your perusal. Both of us had to overcome our usual inclination to go into great detail when just a simple explanation is called for.
73,
Dave Sumner, K1ZZ
Frequently Asked Questions about the ARRL “Symbol Rate” petition, RM-11708
Q: Why did the ARRL think the petition to eliminate regulation by symbol rate was needed?
A: HF data emissions are now limited to symbol rates that are based on the long-obsolete technology of the early telephone modems. Regulation by symbol rate is not appropriate for present and future generations of digital data modes; it prohibits the use of some new, efficient modes while not preventing the introduction of digital data modes with much wider bandwidths than are now in use.
Q: The petition proposes to substitute a bandwidth limit of 2.8 kHz for the symbol rate limits – why 2.8 kHz and not some other figure?
A: It accommodates the digital data modes that are now in widespread use while limiting future development to the bandwidth of an SSB transceiver.
Q: Would the proposed revision have any effect on phone or image operation?
A: No. There is no proposal to revise any rule applicable to the phone and image subbands.
Q: Would the proposed revision have any effect on digital voice operation?
A: No. The FCC rules define digital voice as phone.
Q: Does the proposed revision permit wider use of automatically controlled digital stations?
A: No. Section 97.221 would remain unchanged.
Q: Does the proposal expand the frequencies on which unspecified digital codes may be used?
A: No, although an error in the original ARRL filing suggested otherwise. As soon as it was discovered, this was corrected through the filing of an erratum.
Q: Is the proposal a precursor to large-scale regulation by bandwidth?
A: No. The proposal is to regulate the bandwidth of a single type of emission (data) in order to narrowly and surgically eliminate an outdated limitation in the FCC rules which precludes radio amateurs from experimenting and contributing to the radio art as fully as they should.
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I'll be happy to see what Chris comes up with. Dave From: Widin, Gregory, K0GW On Behalf Of G Widin Sent: Friday, February 07, 2014 7:35 AM To: Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ Cc: Imlay, Chris, W3KD; arrl-odv Subject: Re: [arrl-odv:22425] Re: Symbol rate FAQ Having thought about this question a while, I believe Chris has surfaced some questions that pop up in the symbol rate debate, and that we must somehow address. On the other hand, Dave is certainly right that these issues are not strictly speaking about the petition. Nonetheless, they continue to be raised in the overall discussion about symbol rate. I suggest that a step toward resolving this would be to ask Chris to draft one or two additional FAQs that would address the points he has raised, at the same time clarifying that they are about band planning and other mode allocations, not the petition per se. These two clarifications have some potential, for those willing to read and understand them, of clarifying what the petition is all about. 73, Greg, K0GW On Thu, Feb 6, 2014 at 3:43 PM, Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ <dsumner@arrl.org<mailto:dsumner@arrl.org>> wrote: Chris, I understand your point but I think the Board addressed that concern separately in Minute 47 with its charge to the HF Band Planning Committee. Raising it in the context of the rulemaking proceeding would perpetuate the misconception that it is related to Part 97, which it is not. Rick Roderick isn't letting any grass grow under his feet; the HF Band Planning Committee is holding its first teleconference next week. Dave K1ZZ From: Imlay, Chris, W3KD Sent: Thursday, February 06, 2014 4:38 PM To: Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ; arrl-odv Subject: Re: [arrl-odv:22418] Symbol rate FAQ Dave, having just seen this, it strikes me that it might benefit from the addition of a point that addresses the fundamental objection that we hear over and over: which is the assumption that the Committee didn't consider the cumulative effect on CW, RTTY and narrow bandwidth data emissions from a plethora of new, 2.8 kilohertz data stations. I realize that a response to that objection calls for speculation on both sides of the argument, but to my mind there is not much benefit in a FAQ that doesn't get to what the vocal minority of objectors are actually concerned about. We might note that any future crowding of the RTTY/data subbands is handled by voluntary band planning. There is the corollary suggestion that is also heard repeatedly from objectors that such wider bandwidth data emissions should be relegated to the phone/image subbands; The response to which is that such a fundamental reconfiguration of the HF bands WOULD constitute a broad-based endorsement of regulation by bandwidth, a subject with far more ramifications than are contained within the much more limited RM-11708. 73, Chris W3KD Christopher D. Imlay Booth, Freret, Imlay & Tepper. P.C. 14356 Cape May Road Silver Spring, Maryland 20904-6011 (301) 384-5525<tel:%28301%29%20384-5525> telephone (301) 384-6384<tel:%28301%29%20384-6384> facsimile W3KD@ARRL.ORG<mailto:W3KD@ARRL.ORG> -----Original Message----- From: Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ, K1ZZ <dsumner@arrl.org<mailto:dsumner@arrl.org>> To: arrl-odv <arrl-odv@arrl.org<mailto:arrl-odv@arrl.org>> Sent: Thu, Feb 6, 2014 2:23 pm Subject: [arrl-odv:22418] Symbol rate FAQ Here is the symbol rate FAQ that I propose to post in accordance with Minute 51 of the January Board Meeting. Suggestions for additions and clarifications are welcome. I want to acknowledge Brennan Price's considerable contribution to the FAQ, without which it would not yet be ready for your perusal. Both of us had to overcome our usual inclination to go into great detail when just a simple explanation is called for. 73, Dave Sumner, K1ZZ Frequently Asked Questions about the ARRL "Symbol Rate" petition, RM-11708 Q: Why did the ARRL think the petition to eliminate regulation by symbol rate was needed? A: HF data emissions are now limited to symbol rates that are based on the long-obsolete technology of the early telephone modems. Regulation by symbol rate is not appropriate for present and future generations of digital data modes; it prohibits the use of some new, efficient modes while not preventing the introduction of digital data modes with much wider bandwidths than are now in use. Q: The petition proposes to substitute a bandwidth limit of 2.8 kHz for the symbol rate limits - why 2.8 kHz and not some other figure? A: It accommodates the digital data modes that are now in widespread use while limiting future development to the bandwidth of an SSB transceiver. Q: Would the proposed revision have any effect on phone or image operation? A: No. There is no proposal to revise any rule applicable to the phone and image subbands. Q: Would the proposed revision have any effect on digital voice operation? A: No. The FCC rules define digital voice as phone. Q: Does the proposed revision permit wider use of automatically controlled digital stations? A: No. Section 97.221 would remain unchanged. Q: Does the proposal expand the frequencies on which unspecified digital codes may be used? A: No, although an error in the original ARRL filing suggested otherwise. As soon as it was discovered, this was corrected through the filing of an erratum. Q: Is the proposal a precursor to large-scale regulation by bandwidth? A: No. The proposal is to regulate the bandwidth of a single type of emission (data) in order to narrowly and surgically eliminate an outdated limitation in the FCC rules which precludes radio amateurs from experimenting and contributing to the radio art as fully as they should. Posted February xx, 2014 _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org<mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> http://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org<mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> http://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv
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Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ