[arrl-odv:33277] Sauron's Army Advances

3.45 GHz Auction See: https://telecoms.com/512971/att-spent-big-in-us-3-45-ghz-auction-with-dish-n... _______________________________________ John Robert Stratton N5AUS Director West Gulf Division Office:512-445-6262 Cell:512-426-2028 P.O. Box 2232 Austin, Texas 78768-2232 *_______________________________________***

So far Dish hasn’t started 5G service and keeps missing deadlines. Makes me wonder exactly what Charlie wants with all of that spectrum? Ria N2RJ ________________________________ From: arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org> on behalf of John Robert Stratton <N5AUS@n5aus.com> Sent: Monday, January 17, 2022 9:44:43 AM To: arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> Subject: [arrl-odv:33277] Sauron's Army Advances 3.45 GHz Auction See: https://telecoms.com/512971/att-spent-big-in-us-3-45-ghz-auction-with-dish-n... _______________________________________ John Robert Stratton N5AUS Director West Gulf Division Office: 512-445-6262 Cell: 512-426-2028 P.O. Box 2232 Austin, Texas 78768-2232 _______________________________________

He who has the most toys, wins. Why does Russia want the Ukraine? Insurance. _______________________________________ John Robert Stratton N5AUS Director West Gulf Division Office:512-445-6262 Cell:512-426-2028 P.O. Box 2232 Austin, Texas 78768-2232 *_______________________________________*** ** On 1/17/22 8:47 AM, Jairam, Ria, N2RJ (Dir, HD) wrote:
So far Dish hasn’t started 5G service and keeps missing deadlines. Makes me wonder exactly what Charlie wants with all of that spectrum?
Ria N2RJ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From:* arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org> on behalf of John Robert Stratton <N5AUS@n5aus.com> *Sent:* Monday, January 17, 2022 9:44:43 AM *To:* arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> *Subject:* [arrl-odv:33277] Sauron's Army Advances 3.45 GHz Auction
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https://telecoms.com/512971/att-spent-big-in-us-3-45-ghz-auction-with-dish-n... <https://telecoms.com/512971/att-spent-big-in-us-3-45-ghz-auction-with-dish-not-far-behind/>
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John Robert Stratton
N5AUS
Director
West Gulf Division
Office:512-445-6262
Cell:512-426-2028
P.O. Box 2232
Austin, Texas 78768-2232
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Power. Empire. On 1/17/2022 8:50 AM, John Robert Stratton wrote:
He who has the most toys, wins.
Why does Russia want the Ukraine? Insurance.
_______________________________________
John Robert Stratton
N5AUS
Director
West Gulf Division
Office:512-445-6262
Cell:512-426-2028
P.O. Box 2232
Austin, Texas 78768-2232
*_______________________________________***
** On 1/17/22 8:47 AM, Jairam, Ria, N2RJ (Dir, HD) wrote:
So far Dish hasn’t started 5G service and keeps missing deadlines. Makes me wonder exactly what Charlie wants with all of that spectrum?
Ria N2RJ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From:* arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org> on behalf of John Robert Stratton <N5AUS@n5aus.com> *Sent:* Monday, January 17, 2022 9:44:43 AM *To:* arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> *Subject:* [arrl-odv:33277] Sauron's Army Advances 3.45 GHz Auction
See:
https://telecoms.com/512971/att-spent-big-in-us-3-45-ghz-auction-with-dish-n... <https://telecoms.com/512971/att-spent-big-in-us-3-45-ghz-auction-with-dish-not-far-behind/>
_______________________________________
John Robert Stratton
N5AUS
Director
West Gulf Division
Office:512-445-6262
Cell:512-426-2028
P.O. Box 2232
Austin, Texas 78768-2232
*_______________________________________***
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They are spending money in the Philly suburbs to build out. Just reviewed a lease they offered to get on a client's tower last week. I thought maybe they needed a video link microwave service or something. I did not even know they were getting into public cellular service until recently. Bob Famiglio, K3RF Vice Director - ARRL Atlantic Division 610-359-7300 Serving NNY, WNY, WPA, EPA, SNJ, DE and MD/DC sections www.QRZ.com/db/K3RF From: arrl-odv On Behalf Of Jairam, Ria, N2RJ (Dir, HD) Sent: Monday, January 17, 2022 9:47 AM To: arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org>; Stratton, John, N5AUS (Dir, WG) <N5AUS@n5aus.com> Subject: [arrl-odv:33278] Re: Sauron's Army Advances So far Dish hasn't started 5G service and keeps missing deadlines. Makes me wonder exactly what Charlie wants with all of that spectrum? Ria N2RJ _____ From: arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org <mailto:arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org> > on behalf of John Robert Stratton <N5AUS@n5aus.com <mailto:N5AUS@n5aus.com> > Sent: Monday, January 17, 2022 9:44:43 AM To: arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org <mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> > Subject: [arrl-odv:33277] Sauron's Army Advances 3.45 GHz Auction See: https://telecoms.com/512971/att-spent-big-in-us-3-45-ghz-auction-with-dish-n ot-far-behind/ _______________________________________ John Robert Stratton N5AUS Director West Gulf Division Office: 512-445-6262 Cell: 512-426-2028 P.O. Box 2232 Austin, Texas 78768-2232 _______________________________________

I stand corrected in that they have turned on their network in Vegas. Apparently they are also doing something with helium (crypto for network coverage) and building out on CBRS spectrum with femtocells. Ria ________________________________ From: Bob Famiglio, K3RF <RBFamiglio@Verizon.net> Sent: Monday, January 17, 2022 10:24:34 AM To: Jairam, Ria, N2RJ (Dir, HD) <n2rj@arrl.org>; arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org>; Stratton, John, N5AUS (Dir, WG) <N5AUS@n5aus.com> Subject: RE: [arrl-odv:33278] Re: Sauron's Army Advances They are spending money in the Philly suburbs to build out. Just reviewed a lease they offered to get on a client’s tower last week. I thought maybe they needed a video link microwave service or something. I did not even know they were getting into public cellular service until recently. Bob Famiglio, K3RF Vice Director - ARRL Atlantic Division 610-359-7300 [cid:image002.png@01D80B8C.6BEC60D0] Serving NNY, WNY, WPA, EPA, SNJ, DE and MD/DC sections www.QRZ.com/db/K3RF From: arrl-odv On Behalf Of Jairam, Ria, N2RJ (Dir, HD) Sent: Monday, January 17, 2022 9:47 AM To: arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org>; Stratton, John, N5AUS (Dir, WG) <N5AUS@n5aus.com> Subject: [arrl-odv:33278] Re: Sauron's Army Advances So far Dish hasn’t started 5G service and keeps missing deadlines. Makes me wonder exactly what Charlie wants with all of that spectrum? Ria N2RJ ________________________________ From: arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org<mailto:arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org>> on behalf of John Robert Stratton <N5AUS@n5aus.com<mailto:N5AUS@n5aus.com>> Sent: Monday, January 17, 2022 9:44:43 AM To: arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org<mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org>> Subject: [arrl-odv:33277] Sauron's Army Advances 3.45 GHz Auction See: https://telecoms.com/512971/att-spent-big-in-us-3-45-ghz-auction-with-dish-n... _______________________________________ John Robert Stratton N5AUS Director West Gulf Division Office: 512-445-6262 Cell: 512-426-2028 P.O. Box 2232 Austin, Texas 78768-2232 _______________________________________

Just off the wall, but it seems as though this is resembles an eminent domain "taking" and unjust enrichment of a class to the unjust detriment of those affected. Why can't our attorneys qualify a class for amateur licensees affected - all of us - and get us paid a few bucks for the loss of all this valuable spectrum? If this were land, they could take it, but they'd need to pay the unimproved price to the owners and even leaseholders. Obviously, I'm not an attorney, but eminent domain compensations have made many wealthy people out of displaced property owners. Is there statute that prohibits this? Why is this $27B not benefiting those who are impacted? Unjust enrichment, I'd say. Mickey Baker, N4MB Palm Beach Gardens, FL *“The servant-leader is servant first… It begins with the natural feeling that one wants to serve, to serve first. Then conscious choice brings one to aspire to lead." Robert K. Greenleaf* On Mon, Jan 17, 2022 at 9:44 AM John Robert Stratton <N5AUS@n5aus.com> wrote:
3.45 GHz Auction
See:
https://telecoms.com/512971/att-spent-big-in-us-3-45-ghz-auction-with-dish-n...
_______________________________________
John Robert Stratton
N5AUS
Director
West Gulf Division
Office: 512-445-6262
Cell: 512-426-2028
P.O. Box 2232
Austin, Texas 78768-2232
*_______________________________________* _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv

No, but I sure wish it were. I’d be first in line to help. We do not have a property right in spectrum unfortunately. Particularly not in spectrum to be shared on a secondary basis. While I like your thinking on the matter, it is vastly different. We would have more luck investigating the basis for the water shortage lawsuits out west where towns downstream on the Colorado or other water sources they share as a natural resource sue because upstream is using it all up before they get any. But, not sure we have anything akin to water rights either. I know we fail on an eminent domain theory unfortunately. Bob Famiglio, K3RF Vice Director - ARRL Atlantic Division 610-359-7300 Serving NNY, WNY, WPA, EPA, SNJ, DE and MD/DC sections www.QRZ.com/db/K3RF From: arrl-odv On Behalf Of Mickey Baker Sent: Monday, January 17, 2022 4:08 PM To: John Robert Stratton <N5AUS@n5aus.com> Cc: arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> Subject: [arrl-odv:33285] Re: Sauron's Army Advances Just off the wall, but it seems as though this is resembles an eminent domain "taking" and unjust enrichment of a class to the unjust detriment of those affected. Why can't our attorneys qualify a class for amateur licensees affected - all of us - and get us paid a few bucks for the loss of all this valuable spectrum? If this were land, they could take it, but they'd need to pay the unimproved price to the owners and even leaseholders. Obviously, I'm not an attorney, but eminent domain compensations have made many wealthy people out of displaced property owners. Is there statute that prohibits this? Why is this $27B not benefiting those who are impacted? Unjust enrichment, I'd say. Mickey Baker, N4MB Palm Beach Gardens, FL “The servant-leader is servant first… It begins with the natural feeling that one wants to serve, to serve first. Then conscious choice brings one to aspire to lead." Robert K. Greenleaf On Mon, Jan 17, 2022 at 9:44 AM John Robert Stratton <N5AUS@n5aus.com <mailto:N5AUS@n5aus.com> > wrote: 3.45 GHz Auction See: https://telecoms.com/512971/att-spent-big-in-us-3-45-ghz-auction-with-dish-n... _______________________________________ John Robert Stratton N5AUS Director West Gulf Division Office: 512-445-6262 Cell: 512-426-2028 P.O. Box 2232 Austin, Texas 78768-2232 _______________________________________ _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org <mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv

Mickey, It’s not that I disagree with your sentiment, but in 1927 Congress provided otherwise and the provision was carried over into the Communications Act of 1934. It remains the law today and applies to all wireless licenses. When you applied for your amateur license, you explicitly agreed with the provision by waiving “any claim to the use of any particular frequency or of the electromagnetic spectrum as against the regulatory power of the United States because of the previous use of the same, whether by license or otherwise.” (Form 605, above your signature.) Every licensee signs that or a similar statement – including the companies that are paying billions for the spectrum. The FCC has discretion to provide for reimbursement and/or replacement spectrum, but must be convinced in each re-allocation situation. 73, Dave K3ZJ David R. Siddall Managing Partner DS Law, PLLC 1629 K St. NW, Ste 300 Washington, DC 20006 direct: +1 202 559 4690 Unauthorized Disclosure Prohibited. This e-mail is intended solely for the intended recipient(s) and may contain information that is proprietary, confidential or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, it is prohibited to disclose, copy, distribute, or use the contents of this email and its attachments. If you received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all electronic and physical copies of the e-mail message and its attachments. Unintended transmission shall not constitute waiver of attorney-client or any other privilege. Thank you. From: arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org> on behalf of Mickey Baker <fishflorida@gmail.com> Date: Monday, January 17, 2022 at 4:09 PM To: John Robert Stratton <N5AUS@n5aus.com> Cc: arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> Subject: [arrl-odv:33285] Re: Sauron's Army Advances Just off the wall, but it seems as though this is resembles an eminent domain "taking" and unjust enrichment of a class to the unjust detriment of those affected. Why can't our attorneys qualify a class for amateur licensees affected - all of us - and get us paid a few bucks for the loss of all this valuable spectrum? If this were land, they could take it, but they'd need to pay the unimproved price to the owners and even leaseholders. Obviously, I'm not an attorney, but eminent domain compensations have made many wealthy people out of displaced property owners. Is there statute that prohibits this? Why is this $27B not benefiting those who are impacted? Unjust enrichment, I'd say. Mickey Baker, N4MB Palm Beach Gardens, FL “The servant-leader is servant first… It begins with the natural feeling that one wants to serve, to serve first. Then conscious choice brings one to aspire to lead." Robert K. Greenleaf On Mon, Jan 17, 2022 at 9:44 AM John Robert Stratton <N5AUS@n5aus.com<mailto:N5AUS@n5aus.com>> wrote: 3.45 GHz Auction See: https://telecoms.com/512971/att-spent-big-in-us-3-45-ghz-auction-with-dish-n... _______________________________________ John Robert Stratton N5AUS Director West Gulf Division Office: 512-445-6262 Cell: 512-426-2028 P.O. Box 2232 Austin, Texas 78768-2232 _______________________________________ _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org<mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv
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Arthur I. Zygielbaum
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Bob Famiglio, K3RF
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david davidsiddall-law.com
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Jairam, Ria, N2RJ (Dir, HD)
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John Robert Stratton
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Mickey Baker