[arrl-odv:32420] CAC Appointment
W1UE has retired, and the New England post on the Contest Advisory Committee is vacant, and it falls to me to name a member. I am thinking about K5ZD, and he is willing. But he also directs the CQ WW DX Contest. I ask my fellow Board members - should I nominate Randy Thompson, K5ZD, as the New England rep on CAC? Fred Hopengarten, Esq. K1VR Six Willarch Road Lincoln, MA 01773 781.259.0088, <mailto:k1vr@arrl.org> k1vr@arrl.org New England Director cid:a4a12f0b-0468-4a39-b953-31b2a3da8564 Serving ME, NH, VT, MA, RI and CT
I would look elsewhere. I would like us to have diversity of opinion, rather than having the same thinking behind ARRL and CQ contests. 73 Ria, N2RJ On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 12:01 PM Fred Hopengarten < hopengarten@post.harvard.edu> wrote:
W1UE has retired, and the New England post on the Contest Advisory Committee is vacant, and it falls to me to name a member.
I am thinking about K5ZD, and he is willing. But he also directs the CQ WW DX Contest.
I ask my fellow Board members – *should* I nominate Randy Thompson, K5ZD, as the New England rep on CAC?
*Fred Hopengarten, Esq. K1VR *
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Fred Randy is the past director of the CQ WW DX contest. The current contest director is John Dorr K1AR. However, Randy is on the CQWW Contest Committee. My understanding of the committee's role is to help adjudicate the contest through log checking and to advise on rule changes. His knowledge and experience would be good on the CAC. His role on the CAC is so far removed from the adjudication of ARRL contests that I personally do not see any conflict with him being on the CAC. He is only 1 of 15 to vote on changes so we would need to convince several others to agree with his ideas to bring about changes. Bill AC0W Director Dakota Division From: arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org> On Behalf Of Fred Hopengarten Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 11:01 AM To: arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> Subject: [arrl-odv:32420] CAC Appointment W1UE has retired, and the New England post on the Contest Advisory Committee is vacant, and it falls to me to name a member. I am thinking about K5ZD, and he is willing. But he also directs the CQ WW DX Contest. I ask my fellow Board members - should I nominate Randy Thompson, K5ZD, as the New England rep on CAC? Fred Hopengarten, Esq. K1VR Six Willarch Road Lincoln, MA 01773 781.259.0088, k1vr@arrl.org <mailto:k1vr@arrl.org> New England Director Serving ME, NH, VT, MA, RI and CT
I don’t have the current CAC list in front of me, but I tend to think that body needs fewer “super jocks”, not more. I’m not keen on “interlocking directorates” and that’s what you tend to get if you focus on the Top 10 (or 15, in our case) of Contesting (CAC) or DXing (DXAC). If the contesting community were bereft of others with good ideas, perhaps choosing Randy would be the best idea. But there are a gazillion active, committed contesters in each of our Divisions, so spreading the “wealth” would be my preference. How about going to YCCC (and any other contest clubs in New England) and asking them to submit 3-5 names for consideration? That might take longer, but some other good candidates might pop up. And “Thank you!” for inviting us to comment! Bud, W2RU On May 27, 2021, at 12:01 PM, Fred Hopengarten <hopengarten@post.harvard.edu<mailto:hopengarten@post.harvard.edu>> wrote: W1UE has retired, and the New England post on the Contest Advisory Committee is vacant, and it falls to me to name a member. I am thinking about K5ZD, and he is willing. But he also directs the CQ WW DX Contest. I ask my fellow Board members – should I nominate Randy Thompson, K5ZD, as the New England rep on CAC? Fred Hopengarten, Esq. K1VR Six Willarch Road Lincoln, MA 01773 781.259.0088, k1vr@arrl.org<mailto:k1vr@arrl.org> New England Director <image001.png> Serving ME, NH, VT, MA, RI and CT _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org<mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv
Bud does make a good point. I will add that the CAC is almost completely devoid of VHF contest expertise. I have had complaints from members about that. Maybe someone who is VHF savvy, and not just 6m. When my CAC rep decides that he's not going to serve anymore, I will probably look for one of those. 73 Ria, N2RJ On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 4:50 PM Hippisley, George (Bud), W2RU, (Dir, RK) <w2ru@arrl.org> wrote:
I don’t have the current CAC list in front of me, but I tend to think that body needs fewer “super jocks”, not more. I’m not keen on “interlocking directorates” and that’s what you tend to get if you focus on the Top 10 (or 15, in our case) of Contesting (CAC) or DXing (DXAC).
If the contesting community were bereft of others with good ideas, perhaps choosing Randy would be the best idea. But there are a gazillion active, committed contesters in each of our Divisions, so spreading the “wealth” would be my preference.
How about going to YCCC (and any other contest clubs in New England) and asking them to submit 3-5 names for consideration? That might take longer, but some other good candidates might pop up.
And “Thank you!” for inviting us to comment!
Bud, W2RU
On May 27, 2021, at 12:01 PM, Fred Hopengarten <hopengarten@post.harvard.edu> wrote:
W1UE has retired, and the New England post on the Contest Advisory Committee is vacant, and it falls to me to name a member.
I am thinking about K5ZD, and he is willing. But he also directs the CQ WW DX Contest.
I ask my fellow Board members – should I nominate Randy Thompson, K5ZD, as the New England rep on CAC?
Fred Hopengarten, Esq. K1VR Six Willarch Road Lincoln, MA 01773 781.259.0088, k1vr@arrl.org
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Ria, Recognizing that fact, the CAC has created their own sub-committee from the VHF/UHF/microwave contest community for use in dealing with those matters. Most members of the sub-committee are from outside the CAC. 73; Mike W7VO
On 05/27/2021 2:14 PM rjairam@gmail.com <rjairam@gmail.com> wrote:
Bud does make a good point.
I will add that the CAC is almost completely devoid of VHF contest expertise. I have had complaints from members about that. Maybe someone who is VHF savvy, and not just 6m. When my CAC rep decides that he's not going to serve anymore, I will probably look for one of those.
73 Ria, N2RJ
On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 4:50 PM Hippisley, George (Bud), W2RU, (Dir, RK) <w2ru@arrl.org> wrote:
I don’t have the current CAC list in front of me, but I tend to think that body needs fewer “super jocks”, not more. I’m not keen on “interlocking directorates” and that’s what you tend to get if you focus on the Top 10 (or 15, in our case) of Contesting (CAC) or DXing (DXAC).
If the contesting community were bereft of others with good ideas, perhaps choosing Randy would be the best idea. But there are a gazillion active, committed contesters in each of our Divisions, so spreading the “wealth” would be my preference.
How about going to YCCC (and any other contest clubs in New England) and asking them to submit 3-5 names for consideration? That might take longer, but some other good candidates might pop up.
And “Thank you!” for inviting us to comment!
Bud, W2RU
On May 27, 2021, at 12:01 PM, Fred Hopengarten <hopengarten@post.harvard.edu> wrote:
W1UE has retired, and the New England post on the Contest Advisory Committee is vacant, and it falls to me to name a member.
I am thinking about K5ZD, and he is willing. But he also directs the CQ WW DX Contest.
I ask my fellow Board members – should I nominate Randy Thompson, K5ZD, as the New England rep on CAC?
Fred Hopengarten, Esq. K1VR Six Willarch Road Lincoln, MA 01773 781.259.0088, k1vr@arrl.org
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Randy has a wide range of experience and knowledge of contesting. He can view issues from many different aspects and not take a limited view as some people will. As result his comments and advice will be towards making contesting better overall and not focused towards how to make it better for a small group individuals. I think this would be the type of individual we would want on a advisory committee. He is well respected in the contesting community. I asked the chair of the CAC for his opinion on Randy. This is his comments “Randy is an interesting person and has a lot of gravitas. He has openly expressed support for the CAC in his social media posts. I think he would bring good input to the group and think he would be a good guy. “ As for “super jock” Randy is one of the more approachable top level contester that is out there. We need to look past the road blocks people are throwing at this and look at the good things he could do for the CAC. Bill AC0W From: arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org> On Behalf Of Hippisley, George (Bud), W2RU, (Dir, RK) Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 3:51 PM To: hopengarten@post.harvard.edu Cc: arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> Subject: [arrl-odv:32423] Re: CAC Appointment I don’t have the current CAC list in front of me, but I tend to think that body needs fewer “super jocks”, not more. I’m not keen on “interlocking directorates” and that’s what you tend to get if you focus on the Top 10 (or 15, in our case) of Contesting (CAC) or DXing (DXAC). If the contesting community were bereft of others with good ideas, perhaps choosing Randy would be the best idea. But there are a gazillion active, committed contesters in each of our Divisions, so spreading the “wealth” would be my preference. How about going to YCCC (and any other contest clubs in New England) and asking them to submit 3-5 names for consideration? That might take longer, but some other good candidates might pop up. And “Thank you!” for inviting us to comment! Bud, W2RU On May 27, 2021, at 12:01 PM, Fred Hopengarten <hopengarten@post.harvard.edu <mailto:hopengarten@post.harvard.edu> > wrote: W1UE has retired, and the New England post on the Contest Advisory Committee is vacant, and it falls to me to name a member. I am thinking about K5ZD, and he is willing. But he also directs the CQ WW DX Contest. I ask my fellow Board members – should I nominate Randy Thompson, K5ZD, as the New England rep on CAC? Fred Hopengarten, Esq. K1VR Six Willarch Road Lincoln, MA 01773 781.259.0088, <mailto:k1vr@arrl.org> k1vr@arrl.org New England Director <image001.png> Serving ME, NH, VT, MA, RI and CT _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list <mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org <https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv> https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv
I realize that Fred asked for input from fellow Directors, but..... I have known Randy for over 40 years. He is a broad thinker, is not rigid in his views, and is inclusive in his approach. I completely agree with Bill's comments. K7GM Frederick (Rick) Niswander, PhD, CPA, CGMA Professor of Accounting East Carolina University Greenville, NC 27858 From: arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org> On Behalf Of AC0W - Bill Sent: Friday, May 28, 2021 1:16 PM To: 'Hippisley, George (Bud), W2RU, (Dir, RK)' <w2ru@arrl.org>; hopengarten@post.harvard.edu Cc: 'arrl-odv' <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> Subject: [arrl-odv:32428] Re: CAC Appointment This email originated from outside ECU. Randy has a wide range of experience and knowledge of contesting. He can view issues from many different aspects and not take a limited view as some people will. As result his comments and advice will be towards making contesting better overall and not focused towards how to make it better for a small group individuals. I think this would be the type of individual we would want on a advisory committee. He is well respected in the contesting community. I asked the chair of the CAC for his opinion on Randy. This is his comments "Randy is an interesting person and has a lot of gravitas. He has openly expressed support for the CAC in his social media posts. I think he would bring good input to the group and think he would be a good guy. " As for "super jock" Randy is one of the more approachable top level contester that is out there. We need to look past the road blocks people are throwing at this and look at the good things he could do for the CAC. Bill AC0W From: arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org<mailto:arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org>> On Behalf Of Hippisley, George (Bud), W2RU, (Dir, RK) Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 3:51 PM To: hopengarten@post.harvard.edu<mailto:hopengarten@post.harvard.edu> Cc: arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org<mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org>> Subject: [arrl-odv:32423] Re: CAC Appointment I don't have the current CAC list in front of me, but I tend to think that body needs fewer "super jocks", not more. I'm not keen on "interlocking directorates" and that's what you tend to get if you focus on the Top 10 (or 15, in our case) of Contesting (CAC) or DXing (DXAC). If the contesting community were bereft of others with good ideas, perhaps choosing Randy would be the best idea. But there are a gazillion active, committed contesters in each of our Divisions, so spreading the "wealth" would be my preference. How about going to YCCC (and any other contest clubs in New England) and asking them to submit 3-5 names for consideration? That might take longer, but some other good candidates might pop up. And "Thank you!" for inviting us to comment! Bud, W2RU On May 27, 2021, at 12:01 PM, Fred Hopengarten <hopengarten@post.harvard.edu<mailto:hopengarten@post.harvard.edu>> wrote: W1UE has retired, and the New England post on the Contest Advisory Committee is vacant, and it falls to me to name a member. I am thinking about K5ZD, and he is willing. But he also directs the CQ WW DX Contest. I ask my fellow Board members - should I nominate Randy Thompson, K5ZD, as the New England rep on CAC? Fred Hopengarten, Esq. K1VR Six Willarch Road Lincoln, MA 01773 781.259.0088, k1vr@arrl.org<mailto:k1vr@arrl.org> New England Director <image001.png> Serving ME, NH, VT, MA, RI and CT _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org<mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Freflector.arrl.org%2Fmailman%2Flistinfo%2Farrl-odv&data=04%7C01%7Cniswanderf%40ecu.edu%7C5e0dd16753904aa23d9d08d921fc3b88%7C17143cbb385c4c45a36ac65b72e3eae8%7C0%7C0%7C637578189492330770%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=Pc6jC2mPVun2fH3Vb4NnzKUGUH0xABK7uqC7fUHHnSU%3D&reserved=0>
My concern is from actions that have gone against the consensus of the contest community. For example, combing assisted and unassisted categories is something that Randy has been advocating for, for a long time. Eventually it was done in WPX and the outcry against it was extremely loud. For that reason alone I don’t think Randy has sound judgment when it comes to contest rules and issues. If you are on the CAC you make decisions based on the members feedback and not simply your own desires. Hard pass. Ria N2RJ On Fri, May 28, 2021 at 1:15 PM AC0W - Bill <ac0wmoo11@gmail.com> wrote:
Randy has a wide range of experience and knowledge of contesting. He can view issues from many different aspects and not take a limited view as some people will. As result his comments and advice will be towards making contesting better overall and not focused towards how to make it better for a small group individuals. I think this would be the type of individual we would want on a advisory committee.
He is well respected in the contesting community. I asked the chair of the CAC for his opinion on Randy. This is his comments “Randy is an interesting person and has a lot of gravitas. He has openly expressed support for the CAC in his social media posts. I think he would bring good input to the group and think he would be a good guy. “
As for “super jock” Randy is one of the more approachable top level contester that is out there. We need to look past the road blocks people are throwing at this and look at the good things he could do for the CAC.
Bill
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*From:* arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org> *On Behalf Of *Hippisley, George (Bud), W2RU, (Dir, RK) *Sent:* Thursday, May 27, 2021 3:51 PM *To:* hopengarten@post.harvard.edu *Cc:* arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> *Subject:* [arrl-odv:32423] Re: CAC Appointment
I don’t have the current CAC list in front of me, but I tend to think that body needs *fewer* “super jocks”, not more. I’m not keen on “interlocking directorates” and that’s what you tend to get if you focus on the Top 10 (or 15, in our case) of Contesting (CAC) or DXing (DXAC).
If the contesting community were bereft of others with good ideas, perhaps choosing Randy would be the best idea. But there are a gazillion active, committed contesters in each of our Divisions, so spreading the “wealth” would be *my* preference.
How about going to YCCC (and any other contest clubs in New England) and asking them to submit 3-5 names for consideration? That might take longer, but some other good candidates might pop up.
And “Thank you!” for inviting *us* to comment!
Bud, W2RU
On May 27, 2021, at 12:01 PM, Fred Hopengarten < hopengarten@post.harvard.edu> wrote:
W1UE has retired, and the New England post on the Contest Advisory Committee is vacant, and it falls to me to name a member.
I am thinking about K5ZD, and he is willing. But he also directs the CQ WW DX Contest.
I ask my fellow Board members – *should* I nominate Randy Thompson, K5ZD, as the New England rep on CAC?
*Fred Hopengarten, Esq. K1VR *
*Six Willarch Road <https://www.google.com/maps/search/Willarch+Road+Lincoln,+MA+01773?entry=gmail&source=g>*
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