Harold, I clearly understand the intent of the wording on the draft gift certificate, but nothing comes right out and says "it" - i.e. nothing on the certificate says the certificate is a gift from ARRL. Saying "It's our gift to you for attending an ARRL-sanctioned even!!" is not the same as saying, "It's a gift to you from ARRL for attending . . . " Obviously the certificate is an ARRL certificate, but a variety of gift certificates can be purchased by a hamfest committee and given to attendees as prizes. Shouldn't we distinguish our donated gift certificates from purchased gift certificates? One of the issues I've had with our ARRL books-for-prizes program is that very few hamfests I've attended even tell winners the books they've won are gifts from ARRL. Unless the practice has changed rather recently, we also have not put a label on the books to tell winners they are donated by ARRL. I still believe the certificate program is worth testing, but I have become more sensitive to possible downsides than I was initially. I wonder if it wouldn't be a good idea to "test market" this new program rather than to bash full speed into it. A test market with data obtained from winners of the certificates might provide useful information concerning the relative trade-offs between giving actual books vs. certificates. Jim Jim Weaver, K8JE, Director ARRL Great Lakes Division 5065 Bethany Rd. Mason, OH 45040 E-mail: <mailto:k8je@arrl.net> k8je@arrl.net; Tel.: 513-459-0142 ARRL - The Reason Amateur Radio Is! Members - The Reason ARRL Is! _____ From: Kramer, Harold, WJ1B [mailto:wj1b@arrl.org] Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 10:08 AM To: arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:17559] Hamfest Coupons Policy Since you asked, Here is the answer to Joyce's questions. ( I had sent a copy of this response directly to Joyce yesterday) I have also attached pdfs of the certificates. Harold Harold Kramer, WJ1B Chief Operating Officer ARRL - The national association for Amateur Radio 860 594 0220 hkramer@arrl.org From: Kramer, Harold, WJ1B Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 3:39 PM To: Birmingham, Joyce ( Vice Dir HU) Subject: FW: My reply to Hamfest Coupons Policy Joyce, 1. First, shipping is free. 2. What about the following: Joe goes to a hamfest and wins a $50.00 gift certificate....Joe wants to order: 2 ARES FIELD RESOURCES MANUAL - $12.95 each = $25.90 1 Emergency Communications Handbook - $19.95 each Total of all 3 publications = $45.85 How are you going to account for the $4.15 variance on order and to the recipient (prize winner). Few, if any items, would be able to be combined, I feel, into a 'round' number equal to $25.00 or $50.00. Would you require them to pay for any overage, as well if the order happened to go over by a few dollars? Here's Jackie's response: From: Cornell,Jacqueline, KB1PWB Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 11:51 AM To: Kramer, Harold, WJ1B; Inderbitzen, Bob, NQ1R Subject: RE: My reply to Hamfest Coupons Policy Harold, People who do go over the $25 or $50 certificate amount, will not be required to pay shipping on the order, but will need to pay the difference. Like any other retailer, if you've purchased more than the value of a certificate when you redeem it, you pay the difference. For example, if someone buys a hardcover Handbook at $59.95, they owe $9.95 after the certificate is redeemed. The certificates are valid for one transaction only. Since this is a promotion through ARRL the certificates are subject to our terms, therefore it is completely legal. This is included in the limits and exclusions on the bottom of the certificate. Thanks. Jackie