[arrl-odv:31119] Back issues for former members
A former member angrily complained that he should have access to past issues, digitally during the time of his membership as he paid for those issues. He opted out of print and let his membership lapse. Pros and cons, and can it be done? CQ magazine does this. If you subscribe and are no longer a subscriber the issues are still yours to keep. Thanks Ria N2RJ
How would that look? If they were a member for a year, they are then entitled to only that year? Or if they have access to the archive page they would have ALL back issues. Which is one of our published member benefits. ?? Mark, HDX [image: image.png] On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 7:54 AM rjairam@gmail.com <rjairam@gmail.com> wrote:
A former member angrily complained that he should have access to past issues, digitally during the time of his membership as he paid for those issues. He opted out of print and let his membership lapse.
Pros and cons, and can it be done?
CQ magazine does this. If you subscribe and are no longer a subscriber the issues are still yours to keep.
Thanks Ria N2RJ _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv
Maybe in exchange for an appropriate donation to the foundation? 73, Art K0AIZ On 10/9/2020 10:04 AM, Mark J Tharp wrote:
How would that look? If they were a member for a year, they are then entitled to only that year? Or if they have access to the archive page they would have ALL back issues. Which is one of our published member benefits.
?? Mark, HDX
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On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 7:54 AM rjairam@gmail.com <mailto:rjairam@gmail.com> <rjairam@gmail.com <mailto:rjairam@gmail.com>> wrote:
A former member angrily complained that he should have access to past issues, digitally during the time of his membership as he paid for those issues. He opted out of print and let his membership lapse.
Pros and cons, and can it be done?
CQ magazine does this. If you subscribe and are no longer a subscriber the issues are still yours to keep.
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Maybe in exchange for an appropriate donation to the foundation? 73, Art K0AIZ On 10/9/2020 10:04 AM, Mark J Tharp wrote:
How would that look? If they were a member for a year, they are then entitled to only that year? Or if they have access to the archive page they would have ALL back issues. Which is one of our published member benefits.
?? Mark, HDX
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On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 7:54 AM rjairam@gmail.com <mailto:rjairam@gmail.com> <rjairam@gmail.com <mailto:rjairam@gmail.com>> wrote:
A former member angrily complained that he should have access to past issues, digitally during the time of his membership as he paid for those issues. He opted out of print and let his membership lapse.
Pros and cons, and can it be done?
CQ magazine does this. If you subscribe and are no longer a subscriber the issues are still yours to keep.
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My view would be that the appropriate “donation” is called membership. The appropriate amount is $49.95. The foundation does not print QST. ARRL does. So the appropriate destination is Member Services, Main Street, Newington. -Fred K1VR From: arrl-odv [mailto:arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org] On Behalf Of Arthur I. Zygielbaum Sent: Friday, October 09, 2020 11:11 AM To: Mark J Tharp; rjairam@gmail.com Cc: ODV Subject: [arrl-odv:31121] Re: Back issues for former members Maybe in exchange for an appropriate donation to the foundation? 73, Art K0AIZ On 10/9/2020 10:04 AM, Mark J Tharp wrote: How would that look? If they were a member for a year, they are then entitled to only that year? Or if they have access to the archive page they would have ALL back issues. Which is one of our published member benefits. ?? Mark, HDX image.png On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 7:54 AM rjairam@gmail.com <rjairam@gmail.com> wrote: A former member angrily complained that he should have access to past issues, digitally during the time of his membership as he paid for those issues. He opted out of print and let his membership lapse. Pros and cons, and can it be done? CQ magazine does this. If you subscribe and are no longer a subscriber the issues are still yours to keep. Thanks Ria N2RJ _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
CQ looks to charge for this service. You can only see the first 8 pages of any month without a subscription. So it's not a free service from CQ. https://hamcall.net/cq#ordering Mark, HDX On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 8:23 AM <hopengarten@post.harvard.edu> wrote:
My view would be that the appropriate “donation” is called membership. The appropriate amount is $49.95. The foundation does not print QST. ARRL does. So the appropriate destination is Member Services, Main Street, Newington.
-Fred K1VR
*From:* arrl-odv [mailto:arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org] *On Behalf Of *Arthur I. Zygielbaum *Sent:* Friday, October 09, 2020 11:11 AM *To:* Mark J Tharp; rjairam@gmail.com *Cc:* ODV *Subject:* [arrl-odv:31121] Re: Back issues for former members
Maybe in exchange for an appropriate donation to the foundation?
73, Art K0AIZ
On 10/9/2020 10:04 AM, Mark J Tharp wrote:
How would that look? If they were a member for a year, they are then entitled to only that year? Or if they have access to the archive page they would have ALL back issues. Which is one of our published member benefits.
??
Mark, HDX
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On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 7:54 AM rjairam@gmail.com <rjairam@gmail.com> wrote:
A former member angrily complained that he should have access to past issues, digitally during the time of his membership as he paid for those issues. He opted out of print and let his membership lapse.
Pros and cons, and can it be done?
CQ magazine does this. If you subscribe and are no longer a subscriber the issues are still yours to keep.
Thanks Ria N2RJ _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv
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If you purchase a subscription through Zinio, the full magazines during your subscription term remain in your account. 73 Ria N2RJ On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 11:26 AM Mark J Tharp <kb7hdx@gmail.com> wrote:
CQ looks to charge for this service. You can only see the first 8 pages of any month without a subscription. So it's not a free service from CQ.
https://hamcall.net/cq#ordering
Mark, HDX
On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 8:23 AM <hopengarten@post.harvard.edu> wrote:
My view would be that the appropriate “donation” is called membership. The appropriate amount is $49.95. The foundation does not print QST. ARRL does. So the appropriate destination is Member Services, Main Street, Newington.
-Fred K1VR
*From:* arrl-odv [mailto:arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org] *On Behalf Of *Arthur I. Zygielbaum *Sent:* Friday, October 09, 2020 11:11 AM *To:* Mark J Tharp; rjairam@gmail.com *Cc:* ODV *Subject:* [arrl-odv:31121] Re: Back issues for former members
Maybe in exchange for an appropriate donation to the foundation?
73, Art K0AIZ
On 10/9/2020 10:04 AM, Mark J Tharp wrote:
How would that look? If they were a member for a year, they are then entitled to only that year? Or if they have access to the archive page they would have ALL back issues. Which is one of our published member benefits.
??
Mark, HDX
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On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 7:54 AM rjairam@gmail.com <rjairam@gmail.com> wrote:
A former member angrily complained that he should have access to past issues, digitally during the time of his membership as he paid for those issues. He opted out of print and let his membership lapse.
Pros and cons, and can it be done?
CQ magazine does this. If you subscribe and are no longer a subscriber the issues are still yours to keep.
Thanks Ria N2RJ _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv
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I view this differently. ARRL is a membership organization, CQ is a subscription. There are more things that accompany membership than just a magazine. No non-member should be able to dip back into those benefits. - Dale WA8EFK On 10/9/2020 11:29 AM, rjairam@gmail.com wrote:
If you purchase a subscription through Zinio, the full magazines during your subscription term remain in your account.
73 Ria N2RJ
On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 11:26 AM Mark J Tharp <kb7hdx@gmail.com <mailto:kb7hdx@gmail.com>> wrote:
CQ looks to charge for this service. You can only see the first 8 pages of any month without a subscription. So it's not a free service from CQ.
https://hamcall.net/cq#ordering <https://hamcall.net/cq#ordering>
Mark, HDX
On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 8:23 AM <hopengarten@post.harvard.edu <mailto:hopengarten@post.harvard.edu>> wrote:
My view would be that the appropriate “donation” is called membership. The appropriate amount is $49.95. The foundation does not print QST. ARRL does. So the appropriate destination is Member Services, Main Street, Newington.
-Fred K1VR
*From:*arrl-odv [mailto:arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org <mailto:arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org>] *On Behalf Of *Arthur I. Zygielbaum *Sent:* Friday, October 09, 2020 11:11 AM *To:* Mark J Tharp; rjairam@gmail.com <mailto:rjairam@gmail.com> *Cc:* ODV *Subject:* [arrl-odv:31121] Re: Back issues for former members
Maybe in exchange for an appropriate donation to the foundation?
73, Art K0AIZ
On 10/9/2020 10:04 AM, Mark J Tharp wrote:
How would that look? If they were a member for a year, they are then entitled to only that year? Or if they have access to the archive page they would have ALL back issues. Which is one of our published member benefits.
??
Mark, HDX
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On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 7:54 AM rjairam@gmail.com <mailto:rjairam@gmail.com> <rjairam@gmail.com <mailto:rjairam@gmail.com>> wrote:
A former member angrily complained that he should have access to past issues, digitally during the time of his membership as he paid for those issues. He opted out of print and let his membership lapse.
Pros and cons, and can it be done?
CQ magazine does this. If you subscribe and are no longer a subscriber the issues are still yours to keep.
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During the time of your membership, you can download QST and keep it as long as you wish. Same with CQ, in addition to copies remaining available on your Zinio account. Either way, insofar as I can tell, electronic issues can be stored on your hard drive “forever,” just as you would keep a paper copy on your shelf. Does anyone have a different experience with this? 73, Dave K3ZJ From: arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org> on behalf of "rjairam@gmail.com" <rjairam@gmail.com> Date: Friday, October 9, 2020 at 11:30 AM To: Mark J Tharp <kb7hdx@gmail.com> Cc: ODV <arrl-odv@arrl.org>, Fred Hopengarten <hopengarten@post.harvard.edu> Subject: [arrl-odv:31127] Re: Back issues for former members If you purchase a subscription through Zinio, the full magazines during your subscription term remain in your account. 73 Ria N2RJ On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 11:26 AM Mark J Tharp <kb7hdx@gmail.com<mailto:kb7hdx@gmail.com>> wrote: CQ looks to charge for this service. You can only see the first 8 pages of any month without a subscription. So it's not a free service from CQ. https://hamcall.net/cq#ordering Mark, HDX On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 8:23 AM <hopengarten@post.harvard.edu<mailto:hopengarten@post.harvard.edu>> wrote: My view would be that the appropriate “donation” is called membership. The appropriate amount is $49.95. The foundation does not print QST. ARRL does. So the appropriate destination is Member Services, Main Street, Newington. -Fred K1VR From: arrl-odv [mailto:arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org<mailto:arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org>] On Behalf Of Arthur I. Zygielbaum Sent: Friday, October 09, 2020 11:11 AM To: Mark J Tharp; rjairam@gmail.com<mailto:rjairam@gmail.com> Cc: ODV Subject: [arrl-odv:31121] Re: Back issues for former members Maybe in exchange for an appropriate donation to the foundation? 73, Art K0AIZ On 10/9/2020 10:04 AM, Mark J Tharp wrote: How would that look? If they were a member for a year, they are then entitled to only that year? Or if they have access to the archive page they would have ALL back issues. Which is one of our published member benefits. ?? Mark, HDX [image.png] On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 7:54 AM rjairam@gmail.com<mailto:rjairam@gmail.com> <rjairam@gmail.com<mailto:rjairam@gmail.com>> wrote: A former member angrily complained that he should have access to past issues, digitally during the time of his membership as he paid for those issues. He opted out of print and let his membership lapse. Pros and cons, and can it be done? CQ magazine does this. If you subscribe and are no longer a subscriber the issues are still yours to keep. Thanks Ria N2RJ _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org<mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org<mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv [https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-animated-no-repeat-v1.gif]<https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=icon> Virus-free. www.avast.com<https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=link> _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org<mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv
I agree with Fred. Besides, during the former member’s membership year, he had ample opportunity to print hard copies and/or PDF files of his electronic QSTs. Bud, W2RU On Oct 9, 2020, at 11:23 AM, hopengarten@post.harvard.edu<mailto:hopengarten@post.harvard.edu> wrote: My view would be that the appropriate “donation” is called membership. The appropriate amount is $49.95. The foundation does not print QST. ARRL does. So the appropriate destination is Member Services, Main Street, Newington. -Fred K1VR From: arrl-odv [mailto:arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org] On Behalf Of Arthur I. Zygielbaum Sent: Friday, October 09, 2020 11:11 AM To: Mark J Tharp; rjairam@gmail.com<mailto:rjairam@gmail.com> Cc: ODV Subject: [arrl-odv:31121] Re: Back issues for former members Maybe in exchange for an appropriate donation to the foundation? 73, Art K0AIZ On 10/9/2020 10:04 AM, Mark J Tharp wrote: How would that look? If they were a member for a year, they are then entitled to only that year? Or if they have access to the archive page they would have ALL back issues. Which is one of our published member benefits. ?? Mark, HDX <image001.png> On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 7:54 AM rjairam@gmail.com<mailto:rjairam@gmail.com> <rjairam@gmail.com<mailto:rjairam@gmail.com>> wrote: A former member angrily complained that he should have access to past issues, digitally during the time of his membership as he paid for those issues. He opted out of print and let his membership lapse. Pros and cons, and can it be done? CQ magazine does this. If you subscribe and are no longer a subscriber the issues are still yours to keep. Thanks Ria N2RJ _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org<mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org<mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv [https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-animated-no-repeat-v1.gif]<https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=icon> Virus-free. www.avast.com<https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=link> <x-msg://3/#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org<mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv
The advantage of membership is that you have access to back issues. If you are not a member, you do not have access to back issues. If you are no longer a member, you are not a member. No access. -Fred K1VR From: arrl-odv [mailto:arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org] On Behalf Of Mark J Tharp Sent: Friday, October 09, 2020 11:05 AM To: rjairam@gmail.com Cc: ODV Subject: [arrl-odv:31120] Re: Back issues for former members How would that look? If they were a member for a year, they are then entitled to only that year? Or if they have access to the archive page they would have ALL back issues. Which is one of our published member benefits. ?? Mark, HDX image.png On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 7:54 AM rjairam@gmail.com <rjairam@gmail.com> wrote: A former member angrily complained that he should have access to past issues, digitally during the time of his membership as he paid for those issues. He opted out of print and let his membership lapse. Pros and cons, and can it be done? CQ magazine does this. If you subscribe and are no longer a subscriber the issues are still yours to keep. Thanks Ria N2RJ _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
I completely agree with Fred. The former member opted out of print (his choice) and then left being a member (again his choice). He lost his benefits of being a member. He can regain them by rejoining, again, his choice. 73, Dale WA8EFK On 10/9/2020 11:16 AM, hopengarten@post.harvard.edu wrote:
The advantage of membership is that you have access to back issues. If you are not a member, you do not have access to back issues. If you are no longer a member, you are not a member. No access.
-Fred K1VR
*From:*arrl-odv [mailto:arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org] *On Behalf Of *Mark J Tharp *Sent:* Friday, October 09, 2020 11:05 AM *To:* rjairam@gmail.com *Cc:* ODV *Subject:* [arrl-odv:31120] Re: Back issues for former members
How would that look? If they were a member for a year, they are then entitled to only that year? Or if they have access to the archive page they would have ALL back issues. Which is one of our published member benefits.
??
Mark, HDX
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On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 7:54 AM rjairam@gmail.com <mailto:rjairam@gmail.com> <rjairam@gmail.com <mailto:rjairam@gmail.com>> wrote:
A former member angrily complained that he should have access to past issues, digitally during the time of his membership as he paid for those issues. He opted out of print and let his membership lapse.
Pros and cons, and can it be done?
CQ magazine does this. If you subscribe and are no longer a subscriber the issues are still yours to keep.
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You've convinced me. I agree with you and Fred. Art On 10/9/2020 10:26 AM, Dale Williams wrote:
I completely agree with Fred. The former member opted out of print (his choice) and then left being a member (again his choice). He lost his benefits of being a member. He can regain them by rejoining, again, his choice.
73,
Dale WA8EFK
On 10/9/2020 11:16 AM, hopengarten@post.harvard.edu wrote:
The advantage of membership is that you have access to back issues. If you are not a member, you do not have access to back issues. If you are no longer a member, you are not a member. No access.
-Fred K1VR
*From:*arrl-odv [mailto:arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org] *On Behalf Of *Mark J Tharp *Sent:* Friday, October 09, 2020 11:05 AM *To:* rjairam@gmail.com *Cc:* ODV *Subject:* [arrl-odv:31120] Re: Back issues for former members
How would that look? If they were a member for a year, they are then entitled to only that year? Or if they have access to the archive page they would have ALL back issues. Which is one of our published member benefits.
??
Mark, HDX
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On Fri, Oct 9, 2020 at 7:54 AM rjairam@gmail.com <mailto:rjairam@gmail.com> <rjairam@gmail.com <mailto:rjairam@gmail.com>> wrote:
A former member angrily complained that he should have access to past issues, digitally during the time of his membership as he paid for those issues. He opted out of print and let his membership lapse.
Pros and cons, and can it be done?
CQ magazine does this. If you subscribe and are no longer a subscriber the issues are still yours to keep.
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participants (8)
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Arthur I. Zygielbaum -
Arthur I. Zygielbaum, K0AIZ -
Dale Williams -
david davidsiddall-law.com -
Hippisley, George (Bud), W2RU, (Dir, RK) -
hopengarten＠post.harvard.edu -
Mark J Tharp -
rjairam＠gmail.com