Let me throw this into the ring. Texas, along with most States have moved their agencies to MS365 /Teams. I am fairly confident that most Federal agencies have migrated to the platform. In Texas I was involved in the due diligence when we were looking at the options. There is a reason Government has moved to this. In terms of security, functionality and , very important, interoperability with our existing platforms MS365 led the pack. While any platform will have some issues and occasional hiccups, this is a solid platform and allows true interoperability between MS Office, Teams, MS Sharepoint (something we should be using more), shared calendaring, messaging tools and Azure database tools. It is possible some of our issues is the lack of total adoption and only sporadic use? My 2 cents.... Lee On Mon, Jul 17, 2023 at 10:23 AM Famiglio, Bob, K3RF (Dir, AD) < k3rf@arrl.org> wrote:

*“**never had this problem before I heard the words Microsoft 365 floating around”*

Welcome to my world. Others on ODV have told me/us of issues but you may not have seen them. Microsoft has some decent products and I have always used their Operating system – the ones that actual work well and they had/have a few. We do not use MS 365 applications in my practice (or home) for a reason. The HQ IT staff has done what they could to help me get set up. My local IT contractors have suggested I get used to issues now and then with MS and they are a well-regarded MS certified shop.

Bob Famiglio, K3RF

*From:* arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org> * On Behalf Of *k5ur--- via arrl-odv *Sent:* Monday, July 17, 2023 11:00 AM *To:* arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org <arrl-odv@arrl.org> *Subject:* [arrl-odv:34983] Email

I just found out that I have not been receiving some ODV email. I've not received 15 of the last 30 ODV messages, and I've not had time to go back before that date so there may be more. I never had this problem before I heard the words Microsoft 365 floating around. Be that as it may, I ain't pleased.

Art, I'll put in $500 for the staff appreciation bench. I just heard about it.

73,

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In the US military, Mission critical communication, both secure and non, use Microsoft email. Every order from the Joint Staff goes out using Outlook on a secure Microsoft server. Office 365 is As Brett explained, the problem is NOT O365. The problem is the variety of CLIENT software. We can’t show up with a 10 year old laptop running Windows 10 and expect ARRL to make it work. I suggest that, if you’re having issues with your computer, that you consider using the Office 365 gateway using a browser at https//: portal.office.com Video: https://youtu.be/2VKZq8FisUc Mickey On Mon, Jul 17, 2023 at 12:11 PM Famiglio, Bob, K3RF (Dir, AD) < k3rf@arrl.org> wrote:

*“It is possible some of our issues is the lack of total adoption and only sporadic use?”*

S, this may be it Lee. I do not commit to MS365, except for ARRL use for traffic now, and honestly prefer not to. As I am with public-safety radio system contracts, I am not a fan of single vendor solutions.

Bob Famiglio, K3RF

*From:* Lee Cooper <w5lhc01@gmail.com> *Sent:* Monday, July 17, 2023 11:43 AM *To:* Famiglio, Bob, K3RF (Dir, AD) <k3rf@arrl.org> *Cc:* k5ur@aol.com; arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org <arrl-odv@arrl.org> *Subject:* Re: [arrl-odv:34984] Re: Email

Let me throw this into the ring. Texas, along with most States have moved their agencies to MS365 /Teams. I am fairly confident that most Federal agencies have migrated to the platform. In Texas I was involved in the due diligence when we were looking at the options. There is a reason Government has moved to this. In terms of security, functionality and , very important, interoperability with our existing platforms MS365 led the pack.

While any platform will have some issues and occasional hiccups, this is a solid platform and allows true interoperability between MS Office, Teams, MS Sharepoint (something we should be using more), shared calendaring, messaging tools and Azure database tools. It is possible some of our issues is the lack of total adoption and only sporadic use?

My 2 cents....

Lee

On Mon, Jul 17, 2023 at 10:23 AM Famiglio, Bob, K3RF (Dir, AD) < k3rf@arrl.org> wrote:

*“**never had this problem before I heard the words Microsoft 365 floating around”*

Welcome to my world. Others on ODV have told me/us of issues but you may not have seen them. Microsoft has some decent products and I have always used their Operating system – the ones that actual work well and they had/have a few. We do not use MS 365 applications in my practice (or home) for a reason. The HQ IT staff has done what they could to help me get set up. My local IT contractors have suggested I get used to issues now and then with MS and they are a well-regarded MS certified shop.

Bob Famiglio, K3RF

*From:* arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org> *On Behalf Of *k5ur--- via arrl-odv *Sent:* Monday, July 17, 2023 11:00 AM *To:* arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org <arrl-odv@arrl.org> *Subject:* [arrl-odv:34983] Email

I just found out that I have not been receiving some ODV email. I've not received 15 of the last 30 ODV messages, and I've not had time to go back before that date so there may be more. I never had this problem before I heard the words Microsoft 365 floating around. Be that as it may, I ain't pleased.

Art, I'll put in $500 for the staff appreciation bench. I just heard about it.

73,

Rick - K5UR

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Despite the obvious attempt to insult through inference, the only thing that has changed is what was addressed as a major problem at EC more than a year ago: Email service providers are getting more and more aggressive with filtering and we are struggling to continue offering forwarding solutions that are reliable So, it is a full year later, things have gotten worse with these providers, and I am still dealing with board members having problems with email forwarding. How in the world this has anything to with Personify is a total mystery to me. And, Ms. Jairam who angrily demanded that she chair the sub-committee to look at email forwarding never conducted a single meeting. Not one. Yet every other person named to that sub-committee already knows what the end-point is: reliable email forwarding is a dead end. Everyone on the board should be using their arrl.org account, through an email client or web browser, to conduct ARRL business. This is a business, it is best practice, and I am astonished that the attorneys on the board have not raised the range of issues associated with security, confidentiality, control, discovery, etc. I will assume they have not because they prefer to use their personal email for accessing ARRL business emails and conducting ARRL business outside the reach of the organization. A&F should progress a motion to the board to insist that all board business and communications of ODV be serviced using the arrl.org server and require accessing it through a proper client. No more issues with chasing down problems with forwarding emails from reflectors. David From: arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org> On Behalf Of John Robert Stratton Sent: Monday, July 17, 2023 12:03 PM To: arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org; k5ur@aol.com Subject: [arrl-odv:34987] Re: Email Rick Welcome to the Club. Prior to Personify and Microsoft Mail 365 the email problems — both with ODV and "normal" email usage — did not exist. You've been here since Moses and me since 2011. Historically we as an organization have not been burdened with the spate of email problems we are experiencing. One may draw one's own conclusions. ______________________________________ John Robert Stratton N5AUS Director West Gulf Division Office: 512-445-6262 Cell: 512-426-2028 P.O. Box 2232 Austin, Texas 78768-2232 ______________________________________ On 7/17/23 9:59 AM, k5ur--- via arrl-odv wrote: I just found out that I have not been receiving some ODV email. I've not received 15 of the last 30 ODV messages, and I've not had time to go back before that date so there may be more. I never had this problem before I heard the words Microsoft 365 floating around. Be that as it may, I ain't pleased. Art, I'll put in $500 for the staff appreciation bench. I just heard about it. 73, Rick - K5UR _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv

+1000 The world of the internet is not static, and it is an error in logic to assume so and thus fault the IT staff. Brent, I fully support your intention to create a motion to require standardization. Every organization I have ever worked with, small or large, has had email accounts for that organization. Heck, even my tiny restaurant with 20-ish employees has standardized email accounts for key positions (they happen to be O365, but who cares). Email forwarding is obsolete. On Jul 17, 2023, at 2:07 PM, Walls, Brent, N9BA (VD, CD) <n9ba@arrl.org> wrote: Speaking as a daily practitioner working in the world of cybersecurity, the landscape of e-mail has changed tremendously since Moses and Rick came on the board. It is time that we catch up as an organization in regards to best practices and information governance. I had the opportunity to speak with Mr. Berry last week about the impact of e-mail issues on his daily work load. It astonished me that he spends on average 4 to 5 hours a week just running down e-mail delivery issues. This isn’t an issue with Microsoft 365 or whatever other product you want to cast a stone at. The issue is that we are not all using the same platform – plain and simple. The result is consumed hours by our internal IT team to run down issues that are beyond their control or support abilities. I intend to introduce the topic of “ODV Email Standardization” at the A&F meeting this week for discussion. I have all intentions of making a motion to require all ODV members to use the ARRL provided email account to send and receive all official board records including email messages and documents. I am happy to discuss this topic with anyone further before the A&F or board meetings this week. 73, Brent N9BA From: arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org> on behalf of Minster, David NA2AA (CEO) <dminster@arrl.org> Date: Monday, July 17, 2023 at 3:40 PM To: Stratton, John, N5AUS (Dir, WG) <N5AUS@n5aus.com>, arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org>, k5ur@aol.com <k5ur@aol.com> Subject: [arrl-odv:34993] Re: Email Despite the obvious attempt to insult through inference, the only thing that has changed is what was addressed as a major problem at EC more than a year ago: Email service providers are getting more and more aggressive with filtering and we are struggling to continue offering forwarding solutions that are reliable So, it is a full year later, things have gotten worse with these providers, and I am still dealing with board members having problems with email forwarding. How in the world this has anything to with Personify is a total mystery to me. And, Ms. Jairam who angrily demanded that she chair the sub-committee to look at email forwarding never conducted a single meeting. Not one. Yet every other person named to that sub-committee already knows what the end-point is: reliable email forwarding is a dead end. Everyone on the board should be using their arrl.org account, through an email client or web browser, to conduct ARRL business. This is a business, it is best practice, and I am astonished that the attorneys on the board have not raised the range of issues associated with security, confidentiality, control, discovery, etc. I will assume they have not because they prefer to use their personal email for accessing ARRL business emails and conducting ARRL business outside the reach of the organization. A&F should progress a motion to the board to insist that all board business and communications of ODV be serviced using the arrl.org server and require accessing it through a proper client. No more issues with chasing down problems with forwarding emails from reflectors. David From: arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org> On Behalf Of John Robert Stratton Sent: Monday, July 17, 2023 12:03 PM To: arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org; k5ur@aol.com Subject: [arrl-odv:34987] Re: Email Rick Welcome to the Club. Prior to Personify and Microsoft Mail 365 the email problems — both with ODV and "normal" email usage — did not exist. You've been here since Moses and me since 2011. Historically we as an organization have not been burdened with the spate of email problems we are experiencing. One may draw one's own conclusions. ______________________________________ John Robert Stratton N5AUS Director West Gulf Division Office: 512-445-6262 Cell: 512-426-2028 P.O. Box 2232 Austin, Texas 78768-2232 ______________________________________ On 7/17/23 9:59 AM, k5ur--- via arrl-odv wrote: I just found out that I have not been receiving some ODV email. I've not received 15 of the last 30 ODV messages, and I've not had time to go back before that date so there may be more. I never had this problem before I heard the words Microsoft 365 floating around. Be that as it may, I ain't pleased. Art, I'll put in $500 for the staff appreciation bench. I just heard about it. 73, Rick - K5UR _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv