[arrl-odv:29437] CD of 2019 ARRL Periodicals on DVD
Colleagues: Today I received "Amateur Radio Contesting for Beginners" by K1DG, and a CD of ARRL 2019 periodicals - on DVD. I am somewhat grateful. Query: Is distribution by DVD the modern way to distribute periodicals? Wouldn't it be better, and cheaper (?) to distribute on a USB stick? No laptop, Kindle, iPad, or mobile phone in my household can read a DVD. To which committee is my query best addressed? Fred Hopengarten, Esq. K1VR Six Willarch Road Lincoln, MA 01773 781.259.0088, k1vr@arrl.org New England Director cid:a4a12f0b-0468-4a39-b953-31b2a3da8564 Serving ME, NH, VT, MA, RI and CT
Fred Has technology not yet reached into the wilderness of the Northeast? :-) But, seriously, Fred has a very valid point. None of my computers — all current vintage — contain DVD/CD drives. While I have maintained standalone units that can connect to some of my computers so that I can access otherwise unaccessible data, CDs/DVDs are no longer current for the sharing of files an media. Thumb drives/USB sticks are the current standard. The primary drawback is the cost differential between a stick and a CD/DVD. But, since fewer and fewer devices are able to read a CD/DVD, we must adapt. An even cheaper method is to permit the material to be downloaded. Most of the software and research materials I use are acquired through downloads. We should begin exploring transitioning to a medium that is more current. It makes no sense to offer materials in a format that 50-80% of our Members cannot access. _______________________________________ John Robert Stratton N5AUS Director West Gulf Division Office:512-445-6262 Cell:512-426-2028 P.O. Box 2232 Austin, Texas 78768-2232 *_______________________________________*** ** On 1/21/20 10:43 PM, Fred Hopengarten wrote:
Colleagues:
Today I received “Amateur Radio Contesting for Beginners” by K1DG, and a CD of ARRL 2019 periodicals – on DVD. I am somewhat grateful.
Query: Is distribution by DVD the modern way to distribute periodicals? Wouldn’t it be better, and cheaper (?) to distribute on a USB stick? No laptop, Kindle, iPad, or mobile phone in my household can read a DVD.
To which committee is my query best addressed?
/Fred Hopengarten, Esq. K1VR /
/Six Willarch Road/
/Lincoln, MA 01773/
/781.259.0088, k1vr@arrl.org/
New England Director
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Serving ME, NH, VT, MA, RI and CT
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I only received the book. I did not receive the DVD. (I would like to receive the DVD). As far as a more modern medium goes - I don’t think a flash drive is the right one. The biggest issue is that flash drives from third parties can easily have malware inserted into them. In fact many corporate IT policies ban them outright, some even going as far as to disable them in the operating system and even physically disconnecting/disabling/covering the USB ports. CD/DVD not so much as they are read only. I suspect that this product will become superfluous with ebook archives of our other periodicals (QEX, NCJ) when they are available online. The market today has less tendency to own content. People buy subscriptions. I don’t buy DVDs or CDs. Instead I watch movies on amazon video and Netflix and I listen to music on Spotify. There is demand for a searchable online archive of QEX and NCJ, by the way. 73 Ria, N2RJ On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 11:42 PM Fred Hopengarten < hopengarten@post.harvard.edu> wrote:
Colleagues:
Today I received “Amateur Radio Contesting for Beginners” by K1DG, and a CD of ARRL 2019 periodicals – on DVD. I am somewhat grateful.
Query: Is distribution by DVD the modern way to distribute periodicals? Wouldn’t it be better, and cheaper (?) to distribute on a USB stick? No laptop, Kindle, iPad, or mobile phone in my household can read a DVD.
To which committee is my query best addressed?
*Fred Hopengarten, Esq. K1VR *
*Six Willarch Road <https://www.google.com/maps/search/Willarch+Road+Lincoln,+MA+01773?entry=gmail&source=g>*
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*781.259.0088, k1vr@arrl.org <k1vr@arrl.org>*
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Fred:
From my perspective, there is no real need to assign a question like this to a Board committee. All you really need to do is ask either myself or Diane and we will look into it and get back to you. Then we can have a discussion and, if it warrants a committee's involvement, we can decide at that time.
On this one, if you would allow me a little time to talk to the staff and do a little research, I would appreciate it. I agree with Ria, thumb drives present security concerns but I'm guessing there may be a way to deal with the issue. And just an observation, it's 32 degrees this morning in the Lowcountry of South Carolina.....the Visitors Bureau lied!!! 73, Barry, N1VXY ________________________________ From: arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org> on behalf of Fred Hopengarten <hopengarten@post.harvard.edu> Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2020 11:43 PM To: arrl-odv <arrl-odv@arrl.org> Subject: [arrl-odv:29437] CD of 2019 ARRL Periodicals on DVD Colleagues: Today I received “Amateur Radio Contesting for Beginners” by K1DG, and a CD of ARRL 2019 periodicals – on DVD. I am somewhat grateful. Query: Is distribution by DVD the modern way to distribute periodicals? Wouldn’t it be better, and cheaper (?) to distribute on a USB stick? No laptop, Kindle, iPad, or mobile phone in my household can read a DVD. To which committee is my query best addressed? Fred Hopengarten, Esq. K1VR Six Willarch Road Lincoln, MA 01773 781.259.0088, k1vr@arrl.org New England Director [cid:a4a12f0b-0468-4a39-b953-31b2a3da8564] Serving ME, NH, VT, MA, RI and CT
If I may, these discussions have already started a few months ago among the staff. Ria's comments are actually a good summary of our initial discussions. As we move forward in offering QEX and NCJ digitally to all members, providing a cd may very well become obsolete. Staff intends to revisit this after the digital launch of QEX and NCJ. 73, Diane From: arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org> On Behalf Of Shelley, Barry, N1VXY (CEO) Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 7:12 AM To: Fred Hopengarten <hopengarten@post.harvard.edu>; arrl-odv <arrl-odv@arrl.org> Subject: [arrl-odv:29441] Re: CD of 2019 ARRL Periodicals on DVD Fred:
From my perspective, there is no real need to assign a question like this to a Board committee. All you really need to do is ask either myself or Diane and we will look into it and get back to you. Then we can have a discussion and, if it warrants a committee's involvement, we can decide at that time.
On this one, if you would allow me a little time to talk to the staff and do a little research, I would appreciate it. I agree with Ria, thumb drives present security concerns but I'm guessing there may be a way to deal with the issue. And just an observation, it's 32 degrees this morning in the Lowcountry of South Carolina.....the Visitors Bureau lied!!! 73, Barry, N1VXY ________________________________ From: arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org<mailto:arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org>> on behalf of Fred Hopengarten <hopengarten@post.harvard.edu<mailto:hopengarten@post.harvard.edu>> Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2020 11:43 PM To: arrl-odv <arrl-odv@arrl.org<mailto:arrl-odv@arrl.org>> Subject: [arrl-odv:29437] CD of 2019 ARRL Periodicals on DVD Colleagues: Today I received "Amateur Radio Contesting for Beginners" by K1DG, and a CD of ARRL 2019 periodicals - on DVD. I am somewhat grateful. Query: Is distribution by DVD the modern way to distribute periodicals? Wouldn't it be better, and cheaper (?) to distribute on a USB stick? No laptop, Kindle, iPad, or mobile phone in my household can read a DVD. To which committee is my query best addressed? Fred Hopengarten, Esq. K1VR Six Willarch Road Lincoln, MA 01773 781.259.0088, k1vr@arrl.org<mailto:k1vr@arrl.org> New England Director [cid:a4a12f0b-0468-4a39-b953-31b2a3da8564] Serving ME, NH, VT, MA, RI and CT
But for now, I suspect most all here know quality CD/DVD players which read/write are about $20 (Microcenter), are razor thin and plug into a USB port. Powered from it too. I have several to solve the issue as we still like to have a second archive on plastic for many things. Bob Famiglio, K3RF Vice Director - ARRL Atlantic Division 610-359-7300 www.QRZ.com/db/K3RF From: arrl-odv On Behalf Of Middleton, Diane, W2DLM (CFO) Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 7:21 AM To: Shelley, Barry, N1VXY (CEO) <bshelley@arrl.org>; Fred Hopengarten <hopengarten@post.harvard.edu>; arrl-odv <arrl-odv@arrl.org> Subject: [arrl-odv:29442] Re: CD of 2019 ARRL Periodicals on DVD If I may, these discussions have already started a few months ago among the staff. Ria's comments are actually a good summary of our initial discussions. As we move forward in offering QEX and NCJ digitally to all members, providing a cd may very well become obsolete. Staff intends to revisit this after the digital launch of QEX and NCJ. 73, Diane From: arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflectorarrl.org <mailto:arrl-odv-bounces@reflectorarrl.org> > On Behalf Of Shelley, Barry, N1VXY (CEO) Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2020 7:12 AM To: Fred Hopengarten <hopengarten@post.harvard.edu <mailto:hopengarten@post.harvard.edu> >; arrl-odv <arrl-odv@arrl.org <mailto:arrl-odv@arrl.org> > Subject: [arrl-odv:29441] Re: CD of 2019 ARRL Periodicals on DVD Fred:
From my perspective, there is no real need to assign a question like this to a Board committee. All you really need to do is ask either myself or Diane and we will look into it and get back to you. Then we can have a discussion and, if it warrants a committee's involvement, we can decide at that time.
On this one, if you would allow me a little time to talk to the staff and do a little research, I would appreciate it. I agree with Ria, thumb drives present security concerns but I'm guessing there may be a way to deal with the issue. And just an observation, it's 32 degrees this morning in the Lowcountry of South Carolina.....the Visitors Bureau lied!!! 73, Barry, N1VXY _____ From: arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org <mailto:arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org> > on behalf of Fred Hopengarten <hopengarten@post.harvard.edu <mailto:hopengarten@post.harvard.edu> > Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2020 11:43 PM To: arrl-odv <arrl-odv@arrl.org <mailto:arrl-odv@arrl.org> > Subject: [arrl-odv:29437] CD of 2019 ARRL Periodicals on DVD Colleagues: Today I received "Amateur Radio Contesting for Beginners" by K1DG, and a CD of ARRL 2019 periodicals - on DVD. I am somewhat grateful. Query: Is distribution by DVD the modern way to distribute periodicals? Wouldn't it be better, and cheaper (?) to distribute on a USB stick? No laptop, Kindle, iPad, or mobile phone in my household can read a DVD. To which committee is my query best addressed? Fred Hopengarten, Esq. K1VR Six Willarch Road Lincoln, MA 01773 781.259.0088, k1vr@arrl.org <mailto:k1vr@arrl.org> New England Director Serving ME, NH, VT, MA, RI and CT
Hi, Barry , Welcome back! I’m new but I appreciate you interrupting your retirement and helping us bridge this gap in leadership, and I thought it a brilliant move to approach you about it. It is 37F here in rural Palm Beach County! Thumb drives can be set “read only” and downloads can be restricted by authentication, but I agree that this level of detail should be a staff decision. But it is valid for Fred (or anyone) to identify that the media distribution on disk has been superseded by technology. The next thing you’ll hear is that standard USB no longer is used on Macs and most laptops - things are going to USB-C. Mickey Baker, N4MB Palm Beach County, FL On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 7:12 AM Shelley, Barry, N1VXY (CEO) < bshelley@arrl.org> wrote:
Fred:
From my perspective, there is no real need to assign a question like this to a Board committee. All you really need to do is ask either myself or Diane and we will look into it and get back to you. Then we can have a discussion and, if it warrants a committee's involvement, we can decide at that time.
On this one, if you would allow me a little time to talk to the staff and do a little research, I would appreciate it. I agree with Ria, thumb drives present security concerns but I'm guessing there may be a way to deal with the issue.
And just an observation, it's 32 degrees this morning in the Lowcountry of South Carolina.....the Visitors Bureau lied!!!
73, Barry, N1VXY ------------------------------ *From:* arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org> on behalf of Fred Hopengarten <hopengarten@post.harvard.edu> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 21, 2020 11:43 PM *To:* arrl-odv <arrl-odv@arrl.org> *Subject:* [arrl-odv:29437] CD of 2019 ARRL Periodicals on DVD
Colleagues:
Today I received “Amateur Radio Contesting for Beginners” by K1DG, and a CD of ARRL 2019 periodicals – on DVD. I am somewhat grateful.
Query: Is distribution by DVD the modern way to distribute periodicals? Wouldn’t it be better, and cheaper (?) to distribute on a USB stick? No laptop, Kindle, iPad, or mobile phone in my household can read a DVD.
To which committee is my query best addressed?
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*Fred Hopengarten, Esq. K1VR *
*Six Willarch Road <https://www.google.com/maps/search/Willarch+Road+%0D%0A+Lincoln,+MA+01773?entry=gmail&source=g>*
*Lincoln, MA 01773 <https://www.google.com/maps/search/Willarch+Road+%0D%0A+Lincoln,+MA+01773?entry=gmail&source=g>*
*781.259.0088, k1vr@arrl.org <k1vr@arrl.org>*
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Barry, Diane, Staff — As you evolve a delivery policy for electronic documents, please permit me to throw one thought into the hopper: Some Members — including this Director — live in rural areas that are, to be as kind as I can be, “internet-challenged”. Our service is still worse than that found in many, if not most, 3rd-world countries. Whatever is chosen as the League’s “next-gen" delivery mechanism(s) must take that into account. I am relatively fortunate in that my search for a retirement QTH suitable for ham radio communications also makes it possible for me to have internet access via a 4-mile line-of-sight path to our county-sanctioned Wireless ISP’s node. Most of the folks in this part of my county are not so lucky, and the terrain around their homes forces them to use satellite internet — or drive 20 miles each way to park with their laptop in the Burger King parking lot. The issue for us “country folk” is not so bad if we’re talking about small and medium size downloads — it’s the big stuff that is of concern. My path to my WISP’s tower is good for 40 Mbps but their “fairness” software and backbone constraints throttle it down to anywhere from 2 - 10 Mbps based on time of day and total data downloaded in a “short" period. An 8-GB upgrade of macOS for my MacBook Pro last month took much of a day and evening for me; for my neighbor with satellite internet, it would have to be an overnight download to avoid exceeding monthly satellite day / evening quotas. Also, from my own experience, any download mechanism that you select for delivery of magazines, handbooks, etc., must incorporate automatic “re-try” and “continue” capabilities, because our rural internet connection is unlikely to stay “healthy” throughout the complete download of a large file. Meanwhile, I keep an 11-y/o laptop on hand for accessing material that comes to me on DVDs. DVDs and thumb drives are perfectly fine in my home — and I actually prefer them, but I recognize the extra mailing cost that the use of tangible media implies. However, there is presumably also an incremental cost for additional server capacity and bandwidth when large documents are delivered to a large membership that way, so I express no opinion on how cost-effective the various delivery methods may be. 73 — Bud, W2RU On Jan 22, 2020, at 7:12 AM, Shelley, Barry, N1VXY (CEO) <bshelley@arrl.org<mailto:bshelley@arrl.org>> wrote: Fred: From my perspective, there is no real need to assign a question like this to a Board committee. All you really need to do is ask either myself or Diane and we will look into it and get back to you. Then we can have a discussion and, if it warrants a committee's involvement, we can decide at that time. On this one, if you would allow me a little time to talk to the staff and do a little research, I would appreciate it. I agree with Ria, thumb drives present security concerns but I'm guessing there may be a way to deal with the issue. And just an observation, it's 32 degrees this morning in the Lowcountry of South Carolina.....the Visitors Bureau lied!!! 73, Barry, N1VXY ________________________________ From: arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org<mailto:arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org>> on behalf of Fred Hopengarten <hopengarten@post.harvard.edu<mailto:hopengarten@post.harvard.edu>> Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2020 11:43 PM To: arrl-odv <arrl-odv@arrl.org<mailto:arrl-odv@arrl.org>> Subject: [arrl-odv:29437] CD of 2019 ARRL Periodicals on DVD Colleagues: Today I received “Amateur Radio Contesting for Beginners” by K1DG, and a CD of ARRL 2019 periodicals – on DVD. I am somewhat grateful. Query: Is distribution by DVD the modern way to distribute periodicals? Wouldn’t it be better, and cheaper (?) to distribute on a USB stick? No laptop, Kindle, iPad, or mobile phone in my household can read a DVD. To which committee is my query best addressed? Fred Hopengarten, Esq. K1VR Six Willarch Road Lincoln, MA 01773 781.259.0088, k1vr@arrl.org<mailto:k1vr@arrl.org> New England Director <image001.png> Serving ME, NH, VT, MA, RI and CT _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org<mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv
I will reinforce what Bud has said. Not all hams live in urban areas with broadband internet access choices. I live in a fairly rural county here in Oregon, and while a great place for fairly low HF noise levels, many that live here do not have access to broadband of any kind except for expensive satellite service. I'm very lucky that I live close enough to town to have Comcast cable available at a reasonable 50 Mb/s download speeds. A few more miles away and it's nothing. On the other hand, it seems modern laptops barely have a serial port on them any more, let alone a CD or DVD drive. (Now, where did I leave that 5 1/4 inch floppy with the bandpass filter design program on it? ;-) 73; Mike W7VO
On January 22, 2020 at 7:50 AM "Hippisley, George (Bud), W2RU, (Dir, RK)" <w2ru@arrl.org> wrote:
Barry, Diane, Staff —
As you evolve a delivery policy for electronic documents, please permit me to throw one thought into the hopper:
Some Members — including this Director — live in rural areas that are, to be as kind as I can be, “internet-challenged”. Our service is still worse than that found in many, if not most, 3rd-world countries. Whatever is chosen as the League’s “next-gen" delivery mechanism(s) must take that into account.
I am relatively fortunate in that my search for a retirement QTH suitable for ham radio communications also makes it possible for me to have internet access via a 4-mile line-of-sight path to our county-sanctioned Wireless ISP’s node. Most of the folks in this part of my county are not so lucky, and the terrain around their homes forces them to use satellite internet — or drive 20 miles each way to park with their laptop in the Burger King parking lot.
The issue for us “country folk” is not so bad if we’re talking about small and medium size downloads — it’s the big stuff that is of concern. My path to my WISP’s tower is good for 40 Mbps but their “fairness” software and backbone constraints throttle it down to anywhere from 2 - 10 Mbps based on time of day and total data downloaded in a “short" period. An 8-GB upgrade of macOS for my MacBook Pro last month took much of a day and evening for me; for my neighbor with satellite internet, it would have to be an overnight download to avoid exceeding monthly satellite day / evening quotas.
Also, from my own experience, any download mechanism that you select for delivery of magazines, handbooks, etc., must incorporate automatic “re-try” and “continue” capabilities, because our rural internet connection is unlikely to stay “healthy” throughout the complete download of a large file.
Meanwhile, I keep an 11-y/o laptop on hand for accessing material that comes to me on DVDs. DVDs and thumb drives are perfectly fine in my home — and I actually prefer them, but I recognize the extra mailing cost that the use of tangible media implies. However, there is presumably also an incremental cost for additional server capacity and bandwidth when large documents are delivered to a large membership that way, so I express no opinion on how cost-effective the various delivery methods may be.
73 — Bud, W2RU
> > On Jan 22, 2020, at 7:12 AM, Shelley, Barry, N1VXY (CEO) < bshelley@arrl.org mailto:bshelley@arrl.org > wrote:
Fred:
From my perspective, there is no real need to assign a question like this to a Board committee. All you really need to do is ask either myself or Diane and we will look into it and get back to you. Then we can have a discussion and, if it warrants a committee's involvement, we can decide at that time.
On this one, if you would allow me a little time to talk to the staff and do a little research, I would appreciate it. I agree with Ria, thumb drives present security concerns but I'm guessing there may be a way to deal with the issue.
And just an observation, it's 32 degrees this morning in the Lowcountry of South Carolina.....the Visitors Bureau lied!!!
73, Barry, N1VXY
--------------------------------------------- From: arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org mailto:arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org > on behalf of Fred Hopengarten <hopengarten@post.harvard.edu mailto:hopengarten@post.harvard.edu > Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2020 11:43 PM To: arrl-odv <arrl-odv@arrl.org mailto:arrl-odv@arrl.org > Subject: [arrl-odv:29437] CD of 2019 ARRL Periodicals on DVD
Colleagues:
Today I received “Amateur Radio Contesting for Beginners” by K1DG, and a CD of ARRL 2019 periodicals – on DVD. I am somewhat grateful.
Query: Is distribution by DVD the modern way to distribute periodicals? Wouldn’t it be better, and cheaper (?) to distribute on a USB stick? No laptop, Kindle, iPad, or mobile phone in my household can read a DVD.
To which committee is my query best addressed?
Fred Hopengarten, Esq. K1VR
Six Willarch Road
Lincoln, MA 01773
781.259.0088, k1vr@arrl.org mailto:k1vr@arrl.org
New England Director
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Mike Need spare 5 1/4 floppies? _______________________________________ John Robert Stratton N5AUS Director West Gulf Division Office:512-445-6262 Cell:512-426-2028 P.O. Box 2232 Austin, Texas 78768-2232 *_______________________________________*** ** On 1/22/20 6:47 PM, Michael Ritz wrote:
I will reinforce what Bud has said. Not all hams live in urban areas with broadband internet access choices. I live in a fairly rural county here in Oregon, and while a great place for fairly low HF noise levels, many that live here do not have access to broadband of any kind except for expensive satellite service. I'm very lucky that I live close enough to town to have Comcast cable available at a reasonable 50 Mb/s download speeds. A few more miles away and it's nothing.
On the other hand, it seems modern laptops barely have a serial port on them any more, let alone a CD or DVD drive.
(Now, where did I leave that 5 1/4 inch floppy with the bandpass filter design program on it? ;-)
73; Mike W7VO
On January 22, 2020 at 7:50 AM "Hippisley, George (Bud), W2RU, (Dir, RK)" <w2ru@arrl.org> wrote:
Barry, Diane, Staff —
As you evolve a delivery policy for electronic documents, please permit me to throw one thought into the hopper:
Some Members — including this Director — live in rural areas that are, to be as kind as I can be, “internet-challenged”. Our service is still worse than that found in many, if not most, 3rd-world countries. Whatever is chosen as the League’s “next-gen" delivery mechanism(s) must take that into account.
I am relatively fortunate in that my search for a retirement QTH suitable for ham radio communications also makes it possible for me to have internet access via a 4-mile line-of-sight path to our county-sanctioned Wireless ISP’s node. Most of the folks in this part of my county are _not_ so lucky, and the terrain around their homes forces them to use _satellite_ internet — or drive 20 miles each way to park with their laptop in the Burger King parking lot.
The issue for us “country folk” is not so bad if we’re talking about small and medium size downloads — it’s the _big_ stuff that is of concern. My path to my WISP’s tower is good for 40 Mbps but their “fairness” software and backbone constraints throttle it down to anywhere from 2 - 10 Mbps based on time of day and total data downloaded in a “short" period. An 8-GB upgrade of macOS for my MacBook Pro last month took much of a day and evening for me; for my neighbor with satellite internet, it would have to be an _overnight_ download to avoid exceeding monthly satellite day / evening quotas.
Also, from my own experience, any download mechanism that you select for delivery of magazines, handbooks, etc., _must_ incorporate automatic “re-try” and “continue” capabilities, because our rural internet connection is unlikely to stay “healthy” throughout the complete download of a large file.
Meanwhile, I keep an 11-y/o laptop on hand for accessing material that comes to me on DVDs. DVDs and thumb drives are perfectly fine in my home — and I actually _prefer_ them, but I recognize the extra mailing cost that the use of tangible media implies. However, there is presumably also an incremental cost for additional server capacity and bandwidth when large documents are delivered to a large membership that way, so I express no opinion on how cost-effective the various delivery methods may be.
73 — Bud, W2RU
On Jan 22, 2020, at 7:12 AM, Shelley, Barry, N1VXY (CEO) < bshelley@arrl.org <mailto:bshelley@arrl.org>> wrote:
Fred:
From my perspective, there is no real need to assign a question like this to a Board committee. All you really need to do is ask either myself or Diane and we will look into it and get back to you. Then we can have a discussion and, if it warrants a committee's involvement, we can decide at that time.
On this one, if you would allow me a little time to talk to the staff and do a little research, I would appreciate it. I agree with Ria, thumb drives present security concerns but I'm guessing there may be a way to deal with the issue.
And just an observation, it's 32 degrees this morning in the Lowcountry of South Carolina.....the Visitors Bureau lied!!!
73, Barry, N1VXY
------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From:* arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org <mailto:arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org>> on behalf of Fred Hopengarten <hopengarten@post.harvard.edu <mailto:hopengarten@post.harvard.edu>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 21, 2020 11:43 PM *To:* arrl-odv <arrl-odv@arrl.org <mailto:arrl-odv@arrl.org>> *Subject:* [arrl-odv:29437] CD of 2019 ARRL Periodicals on DVD
Colleagues:
Today I received “Amateur Radio Contesting for Beginners” by K1DG, and a CD of ARRL 2019 periodicals – on DVD. I am somewhat grateful.
Query: Is distribution by DVD the modern way to distribute periodicals? Wouldn’t it be better, and cheaper (?) to distribute on a USB stick? No laptop, Kindle, iPad, or mobile phone in my household can read a DVD.
To which committee is my query best addressed?
/Fred Hopengarten, Esq. K1VR /
/Six Willarch Road/
/Lincoln, MA 01773/
/781.259.0088, k1vr@arrl.org <mailto:k1vr@arrl.org>/
New England Director
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Mike, I have a working C128 and 1571 with plenty of 5.25” disks. They still work (memorex) Ria N2RJ On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 7:47 PM Michael Ritz <w7vo@comcast.net> wrote:
I will reinforce what Bud has said. Not all hams live in urban areas with broadband internet access choices. I live in a fairly rural county here in Oregon, and while a great place for fairly low HF noise levels, many that live here do not have access to broadband of any kind except for expensive satellite service. I'm very lucky that I live close enough to town to have Comcast cable available at a reasonable 50 Mb/s download speeds. A few more miles away and it's nothing.
On the other hand, it seems modern laptops barely have a serial port on them any more, let alone a CD or DVD drive.
(Now, where did I leave that 5 1/4 inch floppy with the bandpass filter design program on it? ;-)
73; Mike W7VO
On January 22, 2020 at 7:50 AM "Hippisley, George (Bud), W2RU, (Dir, RK)" < w2ru@arrl.org> wrote:
Barry, Diane, Staff —
As you evolve a delivery policy for electronic documents, please permit me to throw one thought into the hopper:
Some Members — including this Director — live in rural areas that are, to be as kind as I can be, “internet-challenged”. Our service is still worse than that found in many, if not most, 3rd-world countries. Whatever is chosen as the League’s “next-gen" delivery mechanism(s) must take that into account.
I am relatively fortunate in that my search for a retirement QTH suitable for ham radio communications also makes it possible for me to have internet access via a 4-mile line-of-sight path to our county-sanctioned Wireless ISP’s node. Most of the folks in this part of my county are *not* so lucky, and the terrain around their homes forces them to use *satellite* internet — or drive 20 miles each way to park with their laptop in the Burger King parking lot.
The issue for us “country folk” is not so bad if we’re talking about small and medium size downloads — it’s the *big* stuff that is of concern. My path to my WISP’s tower is good for 40 Mbps but their “fairness” software and backbone constraints throttle it down to anywhere from 2 - 10 Mbps based on time of day and total data downloaded in a “short" period. An 8-GB upgrade of macOS for my MacBook Pro last month took much of a day and evening for me; for my neighbor with satellite internet, it would have to be an *overnight* download to avoid exceeding monthly satellite day / evening quotas.
Also, from my own experience, any download mechanism that you select for delivery of magazines, handbooks, etc., *must* incorporate automatic “re-try” and “continue” capabilities, because our rural internet connection is unlikely to stay “healthy” throughout the complete download of a large file.
Meanwhile, I keep an 11-y/o laptop on hand for accessing material that comes to me on DVDs. DVDs and thumb drives are perfectly fine in my home — and I actually *prefer* them, but I recognize the extra mailing cost that the use of tangible media implies. However, there is presumably also an incremental cost for additional server capacity and bandwidth when large documents are delivered to a large membership that way, so I express no opinion on how cost-effective the various delivery methods may be.
73 — Bud, W2RU
On Jan 22, 2020, at 7:12 AM, Shelley, Barry, N1VXY (CEO) < bshelley@arrl.org> wrote:
Fred:
From my perspective, there is no real need to assign a question like this to a Board committee. All you really need to do is ask either myself or Diane and we will look into it and get back to you. Then we can have a discussion and, if it warrants a committee's involvement, we can decide at that time.
On this one, if you would allow me a little time to talk to the staff and do a little research, I would appreciate it. I agree with Ria, thumb drives present security concerns but I'm guessing there may be a way to deal with the issue.
And just an observation, it's 32 degrees this morning in the Lowcountry of South Carolina.....the Visitors Bureau lied!!!
73, Barry, N1VXY
------------------------------ *From:* arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org> on behalf of Fred Hopengarten <hopengarten@post.harvard.edu> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 21, 2020 11:43 PM *To:* arrl-odv <arrl-odv@arrl.org> *Subject:* [arrl-odv:29437] CD of 2019 ARRL Periodicals on DVD
Colleagues:
Today I received “Amateur Radio Contesting for Beginners” by K1DG, and a CD of ARRL 2019 periodicals – on DVD. I am somewhat grateful.
Query: Is distribution by DVD the modern way to distribute periodicals? Wouldn’t it be better, and cheaper (?) to distribute on a USB stick? No laptop, Kindle, iPad, or mobile phone in my household can read a DVD.
To which committee is my query best addressed?
*Fred Hopengarten, Esq. K1VR *
*Six Willarch Road <https://www.google.com/maps/search/Willarch+Road+%0D%0A+++++++++++Lincoln,+MA+01773?entry=gmail&source=g>*
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*781.259.0088, k1vr@arrl.org <k1vr@arrl.org>*
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Just to tie the knot on this thread, I am curious as to how many CD/DVD sales are on the list from last year. The top 10 are in the report, but not a detailed listing of the lower sales items. Mark, HDX On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 6:39 PM rjairam@gmail.com <rjairam@gmail.com> wrote:
Mike,
I have a working C128 and 1571 with plenty of 5.25” disks. They still work (memorex)
Ria N2RJ
On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 7:47 PM Michael Ritz <w7vo@comcast.net> wrote:
I will reinforce what Bud has said. Not all hams live in urban areas with broadband internet access choices. I live in a fairly rural county here in Oregon, and while a great place for fairly low HF noise levels, many that live here do not have access to broadband of any kind except for expensive satellite service. I'm very lucky that I live close enough to town to have Comcast cable available at a reasonable 50 Mb/s download speeds. A few more miles away and it's nothing.
On the other hand, it seems modern laptops barely have a serial port on them any more, let alone a CD or DVD drive.
(Now, where did I leave that 5 1/4 inch floppy with the bandpass filter design program on it? ;-)
73; Mike W7VO
On January 22, 2020 at 7:50 AM "Hippisley, George (Bud), W2RU, (Dir, RK)" <w2ru@arrl.org> wrote:
Barry, Diane, Staff —
As you evolve a delivery policy for electronic documents, please permit me to throw one thought into the hopper:
Some Members — including this Director — live in rural areas that are, to be as kind as I can be, “internet-challenged”. Our service is still worse than that found in many, if not most, 3rd-world countries. Whatever is chosen as the League’s “next-gen" delivery mechanism(s) must take that into account.
I am relatively fortunate in that my search for a retirement QTH suitable for ham radio communications also makes it possible for me to have internet access via a 4-mile line-of-sight path to our county-sanctioned Wireless ISP’s node. Most of the folks in this part of my county are *not* so lucky, and the terrain around their homes forces them to use *satellite* internet — or drive 20 miles each way to park with their laptop in the Burger King parking lot.
The issue for us “country folk” is not so bad if we’re talking about small and medium size downloads — it’s the *big* stuff that is of concern. My path to my WISP’s tower is good for 40 Mbps but their “fairness” software and backbone constraints throttle it down to anywhere from 2 - 10 Mbps based on time of day and total data downloaded in a “short" period. An 8-GB upgrade of macOS for my MacBook Pro last month took much of a day and evening for me; for my neighbor with satellite internet, it would have to be an *overnight* download to avoid exceeding monthly satellite day / evening quotas.
Also, from my own experience, any download mechanism that you select for delivery of magazines, handbooks, etc., *must* incorporate automatic “re-try” and “continue” capabilities, because our rural internet connection is unlikely to stay “healthy” throughout the complete download of a large file.
Meanwhile, I keep an 11-y/o laptop on hand for accessing material that comes to me on DVDs. DVDs and thumb drives are perfectly fine in my home — and I actually *prefer* them, but I recognize the extra mailing cost that the use of tangible media implies. However, there is presumably also an incremental cost for additional server capacity and bandwidth when large documents are delivered to a large membership that way, so I express no opinion on how cost-effective the various delivery methods may be.
73 — Bud, W2RU
On Jan 22, 2020, at 7:12 AM, Shelley, Barry, N1VXY (CEO) < bshelley@arrl.org> wrote:
Fred:
From my perspective, there is no real need to assign a question like this to a Board committee. All you really need to do is ask either myself or Diane and we will look into it and get back to you. Then we can have a discussion and, if it warrants a committee's involvement, we can decide at that time.
On this one, if you would allow me a little time to talk to the staff and do a little research, I would appreciate it. I agree with Ria, thumb drives present security concerns but I'm guessing there may be a way to deal with the issue.
And just an observation, it's 32 degrees this morning in the Lowcountry of South Carolina.....the Visitors Bureau lied!!!
73, Barry, N1VXY
------------------------------ *From:* arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org> on behalf of Fred Hopengarten <hopengarten@post.harvard.edu> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 21, 2020 11:43 PM *To:* arrl-odv <arrl-odv@arrl.org> *Subject:* [arrl-odv:29437] CD of 2019 ARRL Periodicals on DVD
Colleagues:
Today I received “Amateur Radio Contesting for Beginners” by K1DG, and a CD of ARRL 2019 periodicals – on DVD. I am somewhat grateful.
Query: Is distribution by DVD the modern way to distribute periodicals? Wouldn’t it be better, and cheaper (?) to distribute on a USB stick? No laptop, Kindle, iPad, or mobile phone in my household can read a DVD.
To which committee is my query best addressed?
*Fred Hopengarten, Esq. K1VR *
*Six Willarch Road <https://www.google.com/maps/search/Willarch+Road+%0D%0A+++++++++++Lincoln,+MA+01773?entry=gmail&source=g>*
*Lincoln, MA 01773 <https://www.google.com/maps/search/Willarch+Road+%0D%0A+++++++++++Lincoln,+MA+01773?entry=gmail&source=g>*
*781.259.0088, k1vr@arrl.org <k1vr@arrl.org>*
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I looked at my current copy of Radcom from the RSGB and apparently they offer archives on flash drives as well. 73 Ria, N2RJ On Tue, Jan 21, 2020 at 11:42 PM Fred Hopengarten < hopengarten@post.harvard.edu> wrote:
Colleagues:
Today I received “Amateur Radio Contesting for Beginners” by K1DG, and a CD of ARRL 2019 periodicals – on DVD. I am somewhat grateful.
Query: Is distribution by DVD the modern way to distribute periodicals? Wouldn’t it be better, and cheaper (?) to distribute on a USB stick? No laptop, Kindle, iPad, or mobile phone in my household can read a DVD.
To which committee is my query best addressed?
*Fred Hopengarten, Esq. K1VR *
*Six Willarch Road <https://www.google.com/maps/search/Willarch+Road+Lincoln,+MA+01773?entry=gmail&source=g>*
*Lincoln, MA 01773 <https://www.google.com/maps/search/Willarch+Road+Lincoln,+MA+01773?entry=gmail&source=g>*
*781.259.0088, k1vr@arrl.org <k1vr@arrl.org>*
New England Director
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Bob Famiglio, K3RF -
Fred Hopengarten -
Hippisley, George (Bud), W2RU, (Dir, RK) -
John Robert Stratton -
Mark J Tharp -
Michael Ritz -
Mickey Baker -
Middleton, Diane, W2DLM (CFO) -
rjairam＠gmail.com -
Shelley, Barry, N1VXY (CEO)