[arrl-odv:29915] Zooming Into the Future
Colleagues, The world has changed. In the next 10-15 weeks, we will hold a lot of video teleconferences, some/many replacing face-to-face meetings. For example, the Executive Committee meeting scheduled to follow the Dayton HamVention is not going to happen at the Dayton Marriott. I propose that: . We do what we must to permit Zoom/WebEx/Skype videoconference meetings under our bylaws. . In my life, Zoom seems to be winning these days. But I have no religious preference. Pick one and proceed. . We solicit from someone we trust information on a standardized package of camera, headset and backdrop that we can buy in bulk for $200. --The camera should self-focus and follow (K3RF has one and it is really nice to watch). --The headset should deliver decent audio through its microphone, and eliminate the hollow/echo sounds of some cameras with built-in microphones in some rooms. It might also quiet down the sounds of barking children and crying dogs (or vice versa). --The backdrops should be cheap, and easy to set up, but prevent the camera from being blinded by reflection off windows, and the like, as well as the distraction of trying to figure out what is going on behind the person then speaking . W e force the CFO to allow payment for each "studio" set up for these meetings to come out of each Division budget (i.e., no additional budget, but, as this is going to substitute for travel, it seems like a perfectly reasonable substitution) . I'm suggesting a standardized package to permit our IT and technical people to be better positioned to help out when problems arise. . It seems to me that this is a matter that should be routed through the A&F Committee. But, as described in the immediately preceding bullet, it should not change any Division budget. . If we buy in bulk, purchasing 30-35 of these packages, we should be get the price down below $200 per studio. I would remind all that the $6000-7000 cost is less than the cost of one in-person EC meeting. . When we are ready to implement, I suggest the technical team prepare a two page memo on how to set up the camera, headset and backdrop, as well as how to initiate and join (just a URL for a good YouTube video). As we are all now enjoying a new reality, and the greatest need is within the next 10 weeks, I urge fast action. Fred Hopengarten, Esq. K1VR hopengarten@post.harvard.edu Six Willarch Road Lincoln, MA 01773 antennazoning.com 781.259.0088 -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
I purchased a Zoom Pro account for my Division earlier this month that can be used by anybody that needs it. Several of the clubs and ARES groups here are using it for their virtual meetings, one just this morning. Just let me know and I can set up a meeting any time. 73; Mike W7VO
On March 22, 2020 at 12:22 PM hopengarten@post.harvard.edu wrote:
Colleagues,
The world has changed. In the next 10-15 weeks, we will hold a lot of video teleconferences, some/many replacing face-to-face meetings. For example, the Executive Committee meeting scheduled to follow the Dayton HamVention is not going to happen at the Dayton Marriott.
I propose that:
· We do what we must to permit Zoom/WebEx/Skype videoconference meetings under our bylaws.
· In my life, Zoom seems to be winning these days. But I have no religious preference. Pick one and proceed.
· We solicit from someone we trust information on a standardized package of camera, headset and backdrop that we can buy in bulk for $200.
--The camera should self-focus and follow (K3RF has one and it is really nice to watch).
--The headset should deliver decent audio through its microphone, and eliminate the hollow/echo sounds of some cameras with built-in microphones in some rooms. It might also quiet down the sounds of barking children and crying dogs (or vice versa).
--The backdrops should be cheap, and easy to set up, but prevent the camera from being blinded by reflection off windows, and the like, as well as the distraction of trying to figure out what is going on behind the person then speaking
·
W e force the CFO to allow payment for each “studio” set up for these meetings to come out of each Division budget (i.e., no additional budget, but, as this is going to substitute for travel, it seems like a perfectly reasonable substitution)
· I’m suggesting a standardized package to permit our IT and technical people to be better positioned to help out when problems arise.
· It seems to me that this is a matter that should be routed through the A&F Committee. But, as described in the immediately preceding bullet, it should not change any Division budget.
· If we buy in bulk, purchasing 30-35 of these packages, we should be get the price down below $200 per studio. I would remind all that the $6000-7000 cost is less than the cost of one in-person EC meeting.
· When we are ready to implement, I suggest the technical team prepare a two page memo on how to set up the camera, headset and backdrop, as well as how to initiate and join (just a URL for a good YouTube video).
As we are all now enjoying a new reality, and the greatest need is within the next 10 weeks, I urge fast action.
Fred Hopengarten, Esq. K1VR hopengarten@post.harvard.edu
Six Willarch Road
Lincoln, MA 01773 antennazoning.com
781.259.0088
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* Future Meetings and Equipment* Fred and I discussed this last night and as a member of A&F, it is a matter I will bring the subject before the Committee when we meet this week (We currently have meetings scheduled on two different days). A polite observation: Diane and Barry (and others at HQ) are, and have been, working like rented mules for the past two weeks to plan for the expected and now ordered closing of HQ. Fred's comment regarding forcing the "CFO to allow payment" —because I have known Fred for a long time and there isn't, despite his being an East Coast lawyer, a mean bone in his body—should not be misinterpreted; he was not speaking ill of Diane, but I am certain merely attempting to underscore the importance of ensuring all of us are able to communicate on an equal footing during these unexpected times. A number of us with experience are discussing the best equipment to recommend and will get back to everyone this week. Skype can be as useful as Zoom; we will have to try out both and use what works best for each circumstance. As to Bylaw changes, I don't believe we need any to hold interim meetings. The Board has held electronic meetings — in accordance with CT law — to discuss and decide specific issues before; so, as to non-January/July Board meetings we are on solid ground in holding online meetings, whether by conference bridge (audio only), Zoom, Skype or mind meld. We should, as Fred suggests, verify our ability to conduct the July meeting fully online, if we need to. But, by then we should be back to normal and be able to meet in person. The suggestion as to the preparation of a how-to paper has merit, but that may depend on staff availability in the next few weeks. Those of us who "know how'' can assist everyone else in one-on-sessions. _______________________________________ John Robert Stratton N5AUS Director West Gulf Division Office:512-445-6262 Cell:512-426-2028 P.O. Box 2232 Austin, Texas 78768-2232 *_______________________________________*** ** On 3/22/20 2:30 PM, Michael Ritz wrote:
I purchased a Zoom Pro account for my Division earlier this month that can be used by anybody that needs it. Several of the clubs and ARES groups here are using it for their virtual meetings, one just this morning. Just let me know and I can set up a meeting any time.
73; Mike W7VO
On March 22, 2020 at 12:22 PM hopengarten@post.harvard.edu wrote:
Colleagues,
The world has changed. In the next 10-15 weeks, we will hold a lot of video teleconferences, some/many replacing face-to-face meetings. For example, the Executive Committee meeting scheduled to follow the Dayton HamVention is not going to happen at the Dayton Marriott.
I propose that:
·We do what we must to permit Zoom/WebEx/Skype videoconference meetings under our bylaws.
·In my life, Zoom seems to be winning these days. But I have no religious preference. Pick one and proceed.
·We solicit from someone we trust information on a standardized package of camera, headset and backdrop that we can buy in bulk for $200.
--The camera should self-focus and follow (K3RF has one and it is really nice to watch).
--The headset should deliver decent audio through its microphone, and eliminate the hollow/echo sounds of some cameras with built-in microphones in some rooms. It might also quiet down the sounds of barking children and crying dogs (or vice versa).
--The backdrops should be cheap, and easy to set up, but prevent the camera from being blinded by reflection off windows, and the like, as well as the distraction of trying to figure out what is going on behind the person then speaking
·
W e force the CFO to allow payment for each “studio” set up for these meetings to come out of each Division budget (i.e., no additional budget, but, as this is going to substitute for travel, it seems like a perfectly reasonable substitution)
·I’m suggesting a standardized package to permit our IT and technical people to be better positioned to help out when problems arise.
·It seems to me that this is a matter that should be routed through the A&F Committee. But, as described in the immediately preceding bullet, it should not change any Division budget.
·If we buy in bulk, purchasing 30-35 of these packages, we should be get the price down below $200 per studio. I would remind all that the $6000-7000 cost is less than the cost of one in-person EC meeting.
·When we are ready to implement, I suggest the technical team prepare a two page memo on how to set up the camera, headset and backdrop, as well as how to initiate and join (just a URL for a good YouTube video).
As we are all now enjoying a new reality, and the greatest need is within the next 10 weeks, I urge fast action.
/Fred Hopengarten, Esq. K1VR hopengarten@post.harvard.edu /
/Six Willarch Road /
/Lincoln, MA 01773 antennazoning.com /
/781.259.0088 /
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Unfortunately, Skype is being discontinued and replaced with Microsoft Teams. In a non-Microsoft integrated environment, Teams is a pain to use because of the groups login issue. I bought a Zoom license and intend to expense it. Zoom is a nextgen teleconference company that the original offers of Webex started after they left Cisco. The product goal is performance, low cost and ease of use. It is so simple and eliminates the device setup nightmares of Webex, GotoMeeting and Skype. Zoom stock is up over 100% since IPO, so they're doing something right. I usually use a standard Win10 PC a $70 Logitech C920 HD camera and a $12 LED light. License, $150/year, so all-in, I'm at $220 for up to 100 people at a meeting that could run 24 hours/day. There are too many clubs in the almost 15,000 members in the Southeastern division to loan out the license, so the SMs and clubs are buying their own. Since we're avoiding more that 400 miles drive time and airfare for meetings, there is a clear financial case to do this both for the Board and for the field organization to stay in touch with members. Mickey Baker, N4MB Palm Beach Gardens, FL *“The servant-leader is servant first… It begins with the natural feeling that one wants to serve, to serve first. Then conscious choice brings one to aspire to lead." Robert K. Greenleaf* On Sun, Mar 22, 2020 at 4:06 PM John Robert Stratton <N5AUS@n5aus.com> wrote:
* Future Meetings and Equipment*
Fred and I discussed this last night and as a member of A&F, it is a matter I will bring the subject before the Committee when we meet this week (We currently have meetings scheduled on two different days).
A polite observation:
Diane and Barry (and others at HQ) are, and have been, working like rented mules for the past two weeks to plan for the expected and now ordered closing of HQ.
Fred's comment regarding forcing the "CFO to allow payment" —because I have known Fred for a long time and there isn't, despite his being an East Coast lawyer, a mean bone in his body—should not be misinterpreted; he was not speaking ill of Diane, but I am certain merely attempting to underscore the importance of ensuring all of us are able to communicate on an equal footing during these unexpected times.
A number of us with experience are discussing the best equipment to recommend and will get back to everyone this week.
Skype can be as useful as Zoom; we will have to try out both and use what works best for each circumstance.
As to Bylaw changes, I don't believe we need any to hold interim meetings. The Board has held electronic meetings — in accordance with CT law — to discuss and decide specific issues before; so, as to non-January/July Board meetings we are on solid ground in holding online meetings, whether by conference bridge (audio only), Zoom, Skype or mind meld. We should, as Fred suggests, verify our ability to conduct the July meeting fully online, if we need to. But, by then we should be back to normal and be able to meet in person.
The suggestion as to the preparation of a how-to paper has merit, but that may depend on staff availability in the next few weeks. Those of us who "know how'' can assist everyone else in one-on-sessions.
_______________________________________
John Robert Stratton
N5AUS
Director
West Gulf Division
Office: 512-445-6262
Cell: 512-426-2028
P.O. Box 2232
Austin, Texas 78768-2232
*_______________________________________* On 3/22/20 2:30 PM, Michael Ritz wrote:
I purchased a Zoom Pro account for my Division earlier this month that can be used by anybody that needs it. Several of the clubs and ARES groups here are using it for their virtual meetings, one just this morning. Just let me know and I can set up a meeting any time.
73; Mike W7VO
On March 22, 2020 at 12:22 PM hopengarten@post.harvard.edu wrote:
Colleagues,
The world has changed. In the next 10-15 weeks, we will hold a lot of video teleconferences, some/many replacing face-to-face meetings. For example, the Executive Committee meeting scheduled to follow the Dayton HamVention is not going to happen at the Dayton Marriott.
I propose that:
· We do what we must to permit Zoom/WebEx/Skype videoconference meetings under our bylaws.
· In my life, Zoom seems to be winning these days. But I have no religious preference. Pick one and proceed.
· We solicit from someone we trust information on a standardized package of camera, headset and backdrop that we can buy in bulk for $200.
--The camera should self-focus and follow (K3RF has one and it is really nice to watch).
--The headset should deliver decent audio through its microphone, and eliminate the hollow/echo sounds of some cameras with built-in microphones in some rooms. It might also quiet down the sounds of barking children and crying dogs (or vice versa).
--The backdrops should be cheap, and easy to set up, but prevent the camera from being blinded by reflection off windows, and the like, as well as the distraction of trying to figure out what is going on behind the person then speaking
·
W e force the CFO to allow payment for each “studio” set up for these meetings to come out of each Division budget (i.e., no additional budget, but, as this is going to substitute for travel, it seems like a perfectly reasonable substitution)
· I’m suggesting a standardized package to permit our IT and technical people to be better positioned to help out when problems arise.
· It seems to me that this is a matter that should be routed through the A&F Committee. But, as described in the immediately preceding bullet, it should not change any Division budget.
· If we buy in bulk, purchasing 30-35 of these packages, we should be get the price down below $200 per studio. I would remind all that the $6000-7000 cost is less than the cost of one in-person EC meeting.
· When we are ready to implement, I suggest the technical team prepare a two page memo on how to set up the camera, headset and backdrop, as well as how to initiate and join (just a URL for a good YouTube video).
As we are all now enjoying a new reality, and the greatest need is within the next 10 weeks, I urge fast action.
*Fred Hopengarten, Esq. K1VR hopengarten@post.harvard.edu <hopengarten@post.harvard.edu> *
*Six Willarch Road *
*Lincoln, MA 01773 antennazoning.com <http://antennazoning.com> *
*781.259.0088 *
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"Unfortunately, Skype is being discontinued and replaced with Microsoft Teams. " Just to clarify - this is skype for business, not personal skype, unless you've heard differently. Ria N2RJ On Sun, 22 Mar 2020 at 21:54, Mickey Baker <fishflorida@gmail.com> wrote:
Unfortunately, Skype is being discontinued and replaced with Microsoft Teams. In a non-Microsoft integrated environment, Teams is a pain to use because of the groups login issue.
I bought a Zoom license and intend to expense it. Zoom is a nextgen teleconference company that the original offers of Webex started after they left Cisco. The product goal is performance, low cost and ease of use. It is so simple and eliminates the device setup nightmares of Webex, GotoMeeting and Skype. Zoom stock is up over 100% since IPO, so they're doing something right.
I usually use a standard Win10 PC a $70 Logitech C920 HD camera and a $12 LED light. License, $150/year, so all-in, I'm at $220 for up to 100 people at a meeting that could run 24 hours/day.
There are too many clubs in the almost 15,000 members in the Southeastern division to loan out the license, so the SMs and clubs are buying their own. Since we're avoiding more that 400 miles drive time and airfare for meetings, there is a clear financial case to do this both for the Board and for the field organization to stay in touch with members.
Mickey Baker, N4MB Palm Beach Gardens, FL *“The servant-leader is servant first… It begins with the natural feeling that one wants to serve, to serve first. Then conscious choice brings one to aspire to lead." Robert K. Greenleaf*
On Sun, Mar 22, 2020 at 4:06 PM John Robert Stratton <N5AUS@n5aus.com> wrote:
* Future Meetings and Equipment*
Fred and I discussed this last night and as a member of A&F, it is a matter I will bring the subject before the Committee when we meet this week (We currently have meetings scheduled on two different days).
A polite observation:
Diane and Barry (and others at HQ) are, and have been, working like rented mules for the past two weeks to plan for the expected and now ordered closing of HQ.
Fred's comment regarding forcing the "CFO to allow payment" —because I have known Fred for a long time and there isn't, despite his being an East Coast lawyer, a mean bone in his body—should not be misinterpreted; he was not speaking ill of Diane, but I am certain merely attempting to underscore the importance of ensuring all of us are able to communicate on an equal footing during these unexpected times.
A number of us with experience are discussing the best equipment to recommend and will get back to everyone this week.
Skype can be as useful as Zoom; we will have to try out both and use what works best for each circumstance.
As to Bylaw changes, I don't believe we need any to hold interim meetings. The Board has held electronic meetings — in accordance with CT law — to discuss and decide specific issues before; so, as to non-January/July Board meetings we are on solid ground in holding online meetings, whether by conference bridge (audio only), Zoom, Skype or mind meld. We should, as Fred suggests, verify our ability to conduct the July meeting fully online, if we need to. But, by then we should be back to normal and be able to meet in person.
The suggestion as to the preparation of a how-to paper has merit, but that may depend on staff availability in the next few weeks. Those of us who "know how'' can assist everyone else in one-on-sessions.
_______________________________________
John Robert Stratton
N5AUS
Director
West Gulf Division
Office: 512-445-6262
Cell: 512-426-2028
P.O. Box 2232
Austin, Texas 78768-2232
*_______________________________________* On 3/22/20 2:30 PM, Michael Ritz wrote:
I purchased a Zoom Pro account for my Division earlier this month that can be used by anybody that needs it. Several of the clubs and ARES groups here are using it for their virtual meetings, one just this morning. Just let me know and I can set up a meeting any time.
73; Mike W7VO
On March 22, 2020 at 12:22 PM hopengarten@post.harvard.edu wrote:
Colleagues,
The world has changed. In the next 10-15 weeks, we will hold a lot of video teleconferences, some/many replacing face-to-face meetings. For example, the Executive Committee meeting scheduled to follow the Dayton HamVention is not going to happen at the Dayton Marriott.
I propose that:
· We do what we must to permit Zoom/WebEx/Skype videoconference meetings under our bylaws.
· In my life, Zoom seems to be winning these days. But I have no religious preference. Pick one and proceed.
· We solicit from someone we trust information on a standardized package of camera, headset and backdrop that we can buy in bulk for $200.
--The camera should self-focus and follow (K3RF has one and it is really nice to watch).
--The headset should deliver decent audio through its microphone, and eliminate the hollow/echo sounds of some cameras with built-in microphones in some rooms. It might also quiet down the sounds of barking children and crying dogs (or vice versa).
--The backdrops should be cheap, and easy to set up, but prevent the camera from being blinded by reflection off windows, and the like, as well as the distraction of trying to figure out what is going on behind the person then speaking
·
W e force the CFO to allow payment for each “studio” set up for these meetings to come out of each Division budget (i.e., no additional budget, but, as this is going to substitute for travel, it seems like a perfectly reasonable substitution)
· I’m suggesting a standardized package to permit our IT and technical people to be better positioned to help out when problems arise.
· It seems to me that this is a matter that should be routed through the A&F Committee. But, as described in the immediately preceding bullet, it should not change any Division budget.
· If we buy in bulk, purchasing 30-35 of these packages, we should be get the price down below $200 per studio. I would remind all that the $6000-7000 cost is less than the cost of one in-person EC meeting.
· When we are ready to implement, I suggest the technical team prepare a two page memo on how to set up the camera, headset and backdrop, as well as how to initiate and join (just a URL for a good YouTube video).
As we are all now enjoying a new reality, and the greatest need is within the next 10 weeks, I urge fast action.
*Fred Hopengarten, Esq. K1VR hopengarten@post.harvard.edu <hopengarten@post.harvard.edu> *
*Six Willarch Road *
*Lincoln, MA 01773 antennazoning.com <http://antennazoning.com> *
*781.259.0088 *
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I had an executive briefing in Redmond last year where they told us that personal Skype would be “bug fix only’ by EOY 2020 and Skype Hyperservers will be retired. Of course that may change, they originally said Skype for Biz was done Q1, now it’s October. Personal Skype becomes basically peer-to-peer, not secure, wide open to every security agency and many hackers on the planet. Microsoft will tell you that Skype should not be used for secure communication. Research what Edward Snowden wrote about Skype. Teams (and Zoom and others) have endpoint strong encryption. Mickey On Sun, Mar 22, 2020 at 10:39 PM rjairam@gmail.com <rjairam@gmail.com> wrote:
"Unfortunately, Skype is being discontinued and replaced with Microsoft Teams. "
Just to clarify - this is skype for business, not personal skype, unless you've heard differently.
Ria N2RJ
On Sun, 22 Mar 2020 at 21:54, Mickey Baker <fishflorida@gmail.com> wrote:
Unfortunately, Skype is being discontinued and replaced with Microsoft Teams. In a non-Microsoft integrated environment, Teams is a pain to use because of the groups login issue.
I bought a Zoom license and intend to expense it. Zoom is a nextgen teleconference company that the original offers of Webex started after they left Cisco. The product goal is performance, low cost and ease of use. It is so simple and eliminates the device setup nightmares of Webex, GotoMeeting and Skype. Zoom stock is up over 100% since IPO, so they're doing something right.
I usually use a standard Win10 PC a $70 Logitech C920 HD camera and a $12 LED light. License, $150/year, so all-in, I'm at $220 for up to 100 people at a meeting that could run 24 hours/day.
There are too many clubs in the almost 15,000 members in the Southeastern division to loan out the license, so the SMs and clubs are buying their own. Since we're avoiding more that 400 miles drive time and airfare for meetings, there is a clear financial case to do this both for the Board and for the field organization to stay in touch with members.
Mickey Baker, N4MB Palm Beach Gardens, FL *“The servant-leader is servant first… It begins with the natural feeling that one wants to serve, to serve first. Then conscious choice brings one to aspire to lead." Robert K. Greenleaf*
On Sun, Mar 22, 2020 at 4:06 PM John Robert Stratton <N5AUS@n5aus.com> wrote:
* Future Meetings and Equipment*
Fred and I discussed this last night and as a member of A&F, it is a matter I will bring the subject before the Committee when we meet this week (We currently have meetings scheduled on two different days).
A polite observation:
Diane and Barry (and others at HQ) are, and have been, working like rented mules for the past two weeks to plan for the expected and now ordered closing of HQ.
Fred's comment regarding forcing the "CFO to allow payment" —because I have known Fred for a long time and there isn't, despite his being an East Coast lawyer, a mean bone in his body—should not be misinterpreted; he was not speaking ill of Diane, but I am certain merely attempting to underscore the importance of ensuring all of us are able to communicate on an equal footing during these unexpected times.
A number of us with experience are discussing the best equipment to recommend and will get back to everyone this week.
Skype can be as useful as Zoom; we will have to try out both and use what works best for each circumstance.
As to Bylaw changes, I don't believe we need any to hold interim meetings. The Board has held electronic meetings — in accordance with CT law — to discuss and decide specific issues before; so, as to non-January/July Board meetings we are on solid ground in holding online meetings, whether by conference bridge (audio only), Zoom, Skype or mind meld. We should, as Fred suggests, verify our ability to conduct the July meeting fully online, if we need to. But, by then we should be back to normal and be able to meet in person.
The suggestion as to the preparation of a how-to paper has merit, but that may depend on staff availability in the next few weeks. Those of us who "know how'' can assist everyone else in one-on-sessions.
_______________________________________
John Robert Stratton
N5AUS
Director
West Gulf Division
Office: 512-445-6262
Cell: 512-426-2028
P.O. Box 2232
Austin, Texas 78768-2232
*_______________________________________* On 3/22/20 2:30 PM, Michael Ritz wrote:
I purchased a Zoom Pro account for my Division earlier this month that can be used by anybody that needs it. Several of the clubs and ARES groups here are using it for their virtual meetings, one just this morning. Just let me know and I can set up a meeting any time.
73; Mike W7VO
On March 22, 2020 at 12:22 PM hopengarten@post.harvard.edu wrote:
Colleagues,
The world has changed. In the next 10-15 weeks, we will hold a lot of video teleconferences, some/many replacing face-to-face meetings. For example, the Executive Committee meeting scheduled to follow the Dayton HamVention is not going to happen at the Dayton Marriott.
I propose that:
· We do what we must to permit Zoom/WebEx/Skype videoconference meetings under our bylaws.
· In my life, Zoom seems to be winning these days. But I have no religious preference. Pick one and proceed.
· We solicit from someone we trust information on a standardized package of camera, headset and backdrop that we can buy in bulk for $200.
--The camera should self-focus and follow (K3RF has one and it is really nice to watch).
--The headset should deliver decent audio through its microphone, and eliminate the hollow/echo sounds of some cameras with built-in microphones in some rooms. It might also quiet down the sounds of barking children and crying dogs (or vice versa).
--The backdrops should be cheap, and easy to set up, but prevent the camera from being blinded by reflection off windows, and the like, as well as the distraction of trying to figure out what is going on behind the person then speaking
·
W e force the CFO to allow payment for each “studio” set up for these meetings to come out of each Division budget (i.e., no additional budget, but, as this is going to substitute for travel, it seems like a perfectly reasonable substitution)
· I’m suggesting a standardized package to permit our IT and technical people to be better positioned to help out when problems arise.
· It seems to me that this is a matter that should be routed through the A&F Committee. But, as described in the immediately preceding bullet, it should not change any Division budget.
· If we buy in bulk, purchasing 30-35 of these packages, we should be get the price down below $200 per studio. I would remind all that the $6000-7000 cost is less than the cost of one in-person EC meeting.
· When we are ready to implement, I suggest the technical team prepare a two page memo on how to set up the camera, headset and backdrop, as well as how to initiate and join (just a URL for a good YouTube video).
As we are all now enjoying a new reality, and the greatest need is within the next 10 weeks, I urge fast action.
*Fred Hopengarten, Esq. K1VR hopengarten@post.harvard.edu <hopengarten@post.harvard.edu> *
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I've been using the ARRL's license for GoToWebinar and GoToMeeting to host Dakota Division meetings. It has worked very well and with no additional expenditure required. Reservations as handled by Ken Bailey. I plan to use this for PSC meetings. 73, Matt Holden KØBBC Director, Dakota Division, American Radio Relay League Director, Association of Emergency Radio Organizations President, Bloomington Amateur Radio Association Deputy Director, Bloomington AUXCOMM On Sun, Mar 22, 2020 at 10:30 PM Mickey Baker <fishflorida@gmail.com> wrote:
I had an executive briefing in Redmond last year where they told us that personal Skype would be “bug fix only’ by EOY 2020 and Skype Hyperservers will be retired. Of course that may change, they originally said Skype for Biz was done Q1, now it’s October.
Personal Skype becomes basically peer-to-peer, not secure, wide open to every security agency and many hackers on the planet. Microsoft will tell you that Skype should not be used for secure communication.
Research what Edward Snowden wrote about Skype. Teams (and Zoom and others) have endpoint strong encryption.
Mickey
On Sun, Mar 22, 2020 at 10:39 PM rjairam@gmail.com <rjairam@gmail.com> wrote:
"Unfortunately, Skype is being discontinued and replaced with Microsoft Teams. "
Just to clarify - this is skype for business, not personal skype, unless you've heard differently.
Ria N2RJ
On Sun, 22 Mar 2020 at 21:54, Mickey Baker <fishflorida@gmail.com> wrote:
Unfortunately, Skype is being discontinued and replaced with Microsoft Teams. In a non-Microsoft integrated environment, Teams is a pain to use because of the groups login issue.
I bought a Zoom license and intend to expense it. Zoom is a nextgen teleconference company that the original offers of Webex started after they left Cisco. The product goal is performance, low cost and ease of use. It is so simple and eliminates the device setup nightmares of Webex, GotoMeeting and Skype. Zoom stock is up over 100% since IPO, so they're doing something right.
I usually use a standard Win10 PC a $70 Logitech C920 HD camera and a $12 LED light. License, $150/year, so all-in, I'm at $220 for up to 100 people at a meeting that could run 24 hours/day.
There are too many clubs in the almost 15,000 members in the Southeastern division to loan out the license, so the SMs and clubs are buying their own. Since we're avoiding more that 400 miles drive time and airfare for meetings, there is a clear financial case to do this both for the Board and for the field organization to stay in touch with members.
Mickey Baker, N4MB Palm Beach Gardens, FL *“The servant-leader is servant first… It begins with the natural feeling that one wants to serve, to serve first. Then conscious choice brings one to aspire to lead." Robert K. Greenleaf*
On Sun, Mar 22, 2020 at 4:06 PM John Robert Stratton <N5AUS@n5aus.com> wrote:
* Future Meetings and Equipment*
Fred and I discussed this last night and as a member of A&F, it is a matter I will bring the subject before the Committee when we meet this week (We currently have meetings scheduled on two different days).
A polite observation:
Diane and Barry (and others at HQ) are, and have been, working like rented mules for the past two weeks to plan for the expected and now ordered closing of HQ.
Fred's comment regarding forcing the "CFO to allow payment" —because I have known Fred for a long time and there isn't, despite his being an East Coast lawyer, a mean bone in his body—should not be misinterpreted; he was not speaking ill of Diane, but I am certain merely attempting to underscore the importance of ensuring all of us are able to communicate on an equal footing during these unexpected times.
A number of us with experience are discussing the best equipment to recommend and will get back to everyone this week.
Skype can be as useful as Zoom; we will have to try out both and use what works best for each circumstance.
As to Bylaw changes, I don't believe we need any to hold interim meetings. The Board has held electronic meetings — in accordance with CT law — to discuss and decide specific issues before; so, as to non-January/July Board meetings we are on solid ground in holding online meetings, whether by conference bridge (audio only), Zoom, Skype or mind meld. We should, as Fred suggests, verify our ability to conduct the July meeting fully online, if we need to. But, by then we should be back to normal and be able to meet in person.
The suggestion as to the preparation of a how-to paper has merit, but that may depend on staff availability in the next few weeks. Those of us who "know how'' can assist everyone else in one-on-sessions.
_______________________________________
John Robert Stratton
N5AUS
Director
West Gulf Division
Office: 512-445-6262
Cell: 512-426-2028
P.O. Box 2232
Austin, Texas 78768-2232
*_______________________________________* On 3/22/20 2:30 PM, Michael Ritz wrote:
I purchased a Zoom Pro account for my Division earlier this month that can be used by anybody that needs it. Several of the clubs and ARES groups here are using it for their virtual meetings, one just this morning. Just let me know and I can set up a meeting any time.
73; Mike W7VO
On March 22, 2020 at 12:22 PM hopengarten@post.harvard.edu wrote:
Colleagues,
The world has changed. In the next 10-15 weeks, we will hold a lot of video teleconferences, some/many replacing face-to-face meetings. For example, the Executive Committee meeting scheduled to follow the Dayton HamVention is not going to happen at the Dayton Marriott.
I propose that:
· We do what we must to permit Zoom/WebEx/Skype videoconference meetings under our bylaws.
· In my life, Zoom seems to be winning these days. But I have no religious preference. Pick one and proceed.
· We solicit from someone we trust information on a standardized package of camera, headset and backdrop that we can buy in bulk for $200.
--The camera should self-focus and follow (K3RF has one and it is really nice to watch).
--The headset should deliver decent audio through its microphone, and eliminate the hollow/echo sounds of some cameras with built-in microphones in some rooms. It might also quiet down the sounds of barking children and crying dogs (or vice versa).
--The backdrops should be cheap, and easy to set up, but prevent the camera from being blinded by reflection off windows, and the like, as well as the distraction of trying to figure out what is going on behind the person then speaking
·
W e force the CFO to allow payment for each “studio” set up for these meetings to come out of each Division budget (i.e., no additional budget, but, as this is going to substitute for travel, it seems like a perfectly reasonable substitution)
· I’m suggesting a standardized package to permit our IT and technical people to be better positioned to help out when problems arise.
· It seems to me that this is a matter that should be routed through the A&F Committee. But, as described in the immediately preceding bullet, it should not change any Division budget.
· If we buy in bulk, purchasing 30-35 of these packages, we should be get the price down below $200 per studio. I would remind all that the $6000-7000 cost is less than the cost of one in-person EC meeting.
· When we are ready to implement, I suggest the technical team prepare a two page memo on how to set up the camera, headset and backdrop, as well as how to initiate and join (just a URL for a good YouTube video).
As we are all now enjoying a new reality, and the greatest need is within the next 10 weeks, I urge fast action.
*Fred Hopengarten, Esq. K1VR hopengarten@post.harvard.edu <hopengarten@post.harvard.edu> *
*Six Willarch Road <https://www.google.com/maps/search/Willarch+Road++%0D%0A+++++++++++Lincoln,+MA%0D%0A++++++++++++++++01773?entry=gmail&source=g>*
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I tried to use GTM and it did not have enough capacity for attendees. I think our account is limited to 30. Ria N2RJ On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 at 10:07, Matt Holden <mtholde@gmail.com> wrote:
I've been using the ARRL's license for GoToWebinar and GoToMeeting to host Dakota Division meetings. It has worked very well and with no additional expenditure required. Reservations as handled by Ken Bailey. I plan to use this for PSC meetings. 73, Matt Holden KØBBC Director, Dakota Division, American Radio Relay League Director, Association of Emergency Radio Organizations President, Bloomington Amateur Radio Association Deputy Director, Bloomington AUXCOMM
On Sun, Mar 22, 2020 at 10:30 PM Mickey Baker <fishflorida@gmail.com> wrote:
I had an executive briefing in Redmond last year where they told us that personal Skype would be “bug fix only’ by EOY 2020 and Skype Hyperservers will be retired. Of course that may change, they originally said Skype for Biz was done Q1, now it’s October.
Personal Skype becomes basically peer-to-peer, not secure, wide open to every security agency and many hackers on the planet. Microsoft will tell you that Skype should not be used for secure communication.
Research what Edward Snowden wrote about Skype. Teams (and Zoom and others) have endpoint strong encryption.
Mickey
On Sun, Mar 22, 2020 at 10:39 PM rjairam@gmail.com <rjairam@gmail.com> wrote:
"Unfortunately, Skype is being discontinued and replaced with Microsoft Teams. "
Just to clarify - this is skype for business, not personal skype, unless you've heard differently.
Ria N2RJ
On Sun, 22 Mar 2020 at 21:54, Mickey Baker <fishflorida@gmail.com> wrote:
Unfortunately, Skype is being discontinued and replaced with Microsoft Teams. In a non-Microsoft integrated environment, Teams is a pain to use because of the groups login issue.
I bought a Zoom license and intend to expense it. Zoom is a nextgen teleconference company that the original offers of Webex started after they left Cisco. The product goal is performance, low cost and ease of use. It is so simple and eliminates the device setup nightmares of Webex, GotoMeeting and Skype. Zoom stock is up over 100% since IPO, so they're doing something right.
I usually use a standard Win10 PC a $70 Logitech C920 HD camera and a $12 LED light. License, $150/year, so all-in, I'm at $220 for up to 100 people at a meeting that could run 24 hours/day.
There are too many clubs in the almost 15,000 members in the Southeastern division to loan out the license, so the SMs and clubs are buying their own. Since we're avoiding more that 400 miles drive time and airfare for meetings, there is a clear financial case to do this both for the Board and for the field organization to stay in touch with members.
Mickey Baker, N4MB Palm Beach Gardens, FL *“The servant-leader is servant first… It begins with the natural feeling that one wants to serve, to serve first. Then conscious choice brings one to aspire to lead." Robert K. Greenleaf*
On Sun, Mar 22, 2020 at 4:06 PM John Robert Stratton <N5AUS@n5aus.com> wrote:
* Future Meetings and Equipment*
Fred and I discussed this last night and as a member of A&F, it is a matter I will bring the subject before the Committee when we meet this week (We currently have meetings scheduled on two different days).
A polite observation:
Diane and Barry (and others at HQ) are, and have been, working like rented mules for the past two weeks to plan for the expected and now ordered closing of HQ.
Fred's comment regarding forcing the "CFO to allow payment" —because I have known Fred for a long time and there isn't, despite his being an East Coast lawyer, a mean bone in his body—should not be misinterpreted; he was not speaking ill of Diane, but I am certain merely attempting to underscore the importance of ensuring all of us are able to communicate on an equal footing during these unexpected times.
A number of us with experience are discussing the best equipment to recommend and will get back to everyone this week.
Skype can be as useful as Zoom; we will have to try out both and use what works best for each circumstance.
As to Bylaw changes, I don't believe we need any to hold interim meetings. The Board has held electronic meetings — in accordance with CT law — to discuss and decide specific issues before; so, as to non-January/July Board meetings we are on solid ground in holding online meetings, whether by conference bridge (audio only), Zoom, Skype or mind meld. We should, as Fred suggests, verify our ability to conduct the July meeting fully online, if we need to. But, by then we should be back to normal and be able to meet in person.
The suggestion as to the preparation of a how-to paper has merit, but that may depend on staff availability in the next few weeks. Those of us who "know how'' can assist everyone else in one-on-sessions.
_______________________________________
John Robert Stratton
N5AUS
Director
West Gulf Division
Office: 512-445-6262
Cell: 512-426-2028
P.O. Box 2232
Austin, Texas 78768-2232
*_______________________________________* On 3/22/20 2:30 PM, Michael Ritz wrote:
I purchased a Zoom Pro account for my Division earlier this month that can be used by anybody that needs it. Several of the clubs and ARES groups here are using it for their virtual meetings, one just this morning. Just let me know and I can set up a meeting any time.
73; Mike W7VO
On March 22, 2020 at 12:22 PM hopengarten@post.harvard.edu wrote:
Colleagues,
The world has changed. In the next 10-15 weeks, we will hold a lot of video teleconferences, some/many replacing face-to-face meetings. For example, the Executive Committee meeting scheduled to follow the Dayton HamVention is not going to happen at the Dayton Marriott.
I propose that:
· We do what we must to permit Zoom/WebEx/Skype videoconference meetings under our bylaws.
· In my life, Zoom seems to be winning these days. But I have no religious preference. Pick one and proceed.
· We solicit from someone we trust information on a standardized package of camera, headset and backdrop that we can buy in bulk for $200.
--The camera should self-focus and follow (K3RF has one and it is really nice to watch).
--The headset should deliver decent audio through its microphone, and eliminate the hollow/echo sounds of some cameras with built-in microphones in some rooms. It might also quiet down the sounds of barking children and crying dogs (or vice versa).
--The backdrops should be cheap, and easy to set up, but prevent the camera from being blinded by reflection off windows, and the like, as well as the distraction of trying to figure out what is going on behind the person then speaking
·
W e force the CFO to allow payment for each “studio” set up for these meetings to come out of each Division budget (i.e., no additional budget, but, as this is going to substitute for travel, it seems like a perfectly reasonable substitution)
· I’m suggesting a standardized package to permit our IT and technical people to be better positioned to help out when problems arise.
· It seems to me that this is a matter that should be routed through the A&F Committee. But, as described in the immediately preceding bullet, it should not change any Division budget.
· If we buy in bulk, purchasing 30-35 of these packages, we should be get the price down below $200 per studio. I would remind all that the $6000-7000 cost is less than the cost of one in-person EC meeting.
· When we are ready to implement, I suggest the technical team prepare a two page memo on how to set up the camera, headset and backdrop, as well as how to initiate and join (just a URL for a good YouTube video).
As we are all now enjoying a new reality, and the greatest need is within the next 10 weeks, I urge fast action.
*Fred Hopengarten, Esq. K1VR hopengarten@post.harvard.edu <hopengarten@post.harvard.edu> *
*Six Willarch Road <https://www.google.com/maps/search/Willarch+Road++%0D%0A+++++++++++Lincoln,+MA%0D%0A++++++++++++++++01773?entry=gmail&source=g>*
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Use go to webinar for larger presentations. I had the same issue but find Gotowebinar had much better crowd control. On Mon, Mar 23, 2020, 9:43 AM rjairam@gmail.com <rjairam@gmail.com> wrote:
I tried to use GTM and it did not have enough capacity for attendees. I think our account is limited to 30.
Ria N2RJ
On Mon, 23 Mar 2020 at 10:07, Matt Holden <mtholde@gmail.com> wrote:
I've been using the ARRL's license for GoToWebinar and GoToMeeting to host Dakota Division meetings. It has worked very well and with no additional expenditure required. Reservations as handled by Ken Bailey. I plan to use this for PSC meetings. 73, Matt Holden KØBBC Director, Dakota Division, American Radio Relay League Director, Association of Emergency Radio Organizations President, Bloomington Amateur Radio Association Deputy Director, Bloomington AUXCOMM
On Sun, Mar 22, 2020 at 10:30 PM Mickey Baker <fishflorida@gmail.com> wrote:
I had an executive briefing in Redmond last year where they told us that personal Skype would be “bug fix only’ by EOY 2020 and Skype Hyperservers will be retired. Of course that may change, they originally said Skype for Biz was done Q1, now it’s October.
Personal Skype becomes basically peer-to-peer, not secure, wide open to every security agency and many hackers on the planet. Microsoft will tell you that Skype should not be used for secure communication.
Research what Edward Snowden wrote about Skype. Teams (and Zoom and others) have endpoint strong encryption.
Mickey
On Sun, Mar 22, 2020 at 10:39 PM rjairam@gmail.com <rjairam@gmail.com> wrote:
"Unfortunately, Skype is being discontinued and replaced with Microsoft Teams. "
Just to clarify - this is skype for business, not personal skype, unless you've heard differently.
Ria N2RJ
On Sun, 22 Mar 2020 at 21:54, Mickey Baker <fishflorida@gmail.com> wrote:
Unfortunately, Skype is being discontinued and replaced with Microsoft Teams. In a non-Microsoft integrated environment, Teams is a pain to use because of the groups login issue.
I bought a Zoom license and intend to expense it. Zoom is a nextgen teleconference company that the original offers of Webex started after they left Cisco. The product goal is performance, low cost and ease of use. It is so simple and eliminates the device setup nightmares of Webex, GotoMeeting and Skype. Zoom stock is up over 100% since IPO, so they're doing something right.
I usually use a standard Win10 PC a $70 Logitech C920 HD camera and a $12 LED light. License, $150/year, so all-in, I'm at $220 for up to 100 people at a meeting that could run 24 hours/day.
There are too many clubs in the almost 15,000 members in the Southeastern division to loan out the license, so the SMs and clubs are buying their own. Since we're avoiding more that 400 miles drive time and airfare for meetings, there is a clear financial case to do this both for the Board and for the field organization to stay in touch with members.
Mickey Baker, N4MB Palm Beach Gardens, FL *“The servant-leader is servant first… It begins with the natural feeling that one wants to serve, to serve first. Then conscious choice brings one to aspire to lead." Robert K. Greenleaf*
On Sun, Mar 22, 2020 at 4:06 PM John Robert Stratton <N5AUS@n5aus.com> wrote:
* Future Meetings and Equipment*
Fred and I discussed this last night and as a member of A&F, it is a matter I will bring the subject before the Committee when we meet this week (We currently have meetings scheduled on two different days).
A polite observation:
Diane and Barry (and others at HQ) are, and have been, working like rented mules for the past two weeks to plan for the expected and now ordered closing of HQ.
Fred's comment regarding forcing the "CFO to allow payment" —because I have known Fred for a long time and there isn't, despite his being an East Coast lawyer, a mean bone in his body—should not be misinterpreted; he was not speaking ill of Diane, but I am certain merely attempting to underscore the importance of ensuring all of us are able to communicate on an equal footing during these unexpected times.
A number of us with experience are discussing the best equipment to recommend and will get back to everyone this week.
Skype can be as useful as Zoom; we will have to try out both and use what works best for each circumstance.
As to Bylaw changes, I don't believe we need any to hold interim meetings. The Board has held electronic meetings — in accordance with CT law — to discuss and decide specific issues before; so, as to non-January/July Board meetings we are on solid ground in holding online meetings, whether by conference bridge (audio only), Zoom, Skype or mind meld. We should, as Fred suggests, verify our ability to conduct the July meeting fully online, if we need to. But, by then we should be back to normal and be able to meet in person.
The suggestion as to the preparation of a how-to paper has merit, but that may depend on staff availability in the next few weeks. Those of us who "know how'' can assist everyone else in one-on-sessions.
_______________________________________
John Robert Stratton
N5AUS
Director
West Gulf Division
Office: 512-445-6262
Cell: 512-426-2028
P.O. Box 2232
Austin, Texas 78768-2232
*_______________________________________* On 3/22/20 2:30 PM, Michael Ritz wrote:
I purchased a Zoom Pro account for my Division earlier this month that can be used by anybody that needs it. Several of the clubs and ARES groups here are using it for their virtual meetings, one just this morning. Just let me know and I can set up a meeting any time.
73; Mike W7VO
On March 22, 2020 at 12:22 PM hopengarten@post.harvard.edu wrote:
Colleagues,
The world has changed. In the next 10-15 weeks, we will hold a lot of video teleconferences, some/many replacing face-to-face meetings. For example, the Executive Committee meeting scheduled to follow the Dayton HamVention is not going to happen at the Dayton Marriott.
I propose that:
· We do what we must to permit Zoom/WebEx/Skype videoconference meetings under our bylaws.
· In my life, Zoom seems to be winning these days. But I have no religious preference. Pick one and proceed.
· We solicit from someone we trust information on a standardized package of camera, headset and backdrop that we can buy in bulk for $200.
--The camera should self-focus and follow (K3RF has one and it is really nice to watch).
--The headset should deliver decent audio through its microphone, and eliminate the hollow/echo sounds of some cameras with built-in microphones in some rooms. It might also quiet down the sounds of barking children and crying dogs (or vice versa).
--The backdrops should be cheap, and easy to set up, but prevent the camera from being blinded by reflection off windows, and the like, as well as the distraction of trying to figure out what is going on behind the person then speaking
·
W e force the CFO to allow payment for each “studio” set up for these meetings to come out of each Division budget (i.e., no additional budget, but, as this is going to substitute for travel, it seems like a perfectly reasonable substitution)
· I’m suggesting a standardized package to permit our IT and technical people to be better positioned to help out when problems arise.
· It seems to me that this is a matter that should be routed through the A&F Committee. But, as described in the immediately preceding bullet, it should not change any Division budget.
· If we buy in bulk, purchasing 30-35 of these packages, we should be get the price down below $200 per studio. I would remind all that the $6000-7000 cost is less than the cost of one in-person EC meeting.
· When we are ready to implement, I suggest the technical team prepare a two page memo on how to set up the camera, headset and backdrop, as well as how to initiate and join (just a URL for a good YouTube video).
As we are all now enjoying a new reality, and the greatest need is within the next 10 weeks, I urge fast action.
*Fred Hopengarten, Esq. K1VR hopengarten@post.harvard.edu <hopengarten@post.harvard.edu> *
*Six Willarch Road <https://www.google.com/maps/search/Willarch+Road++%0D%0A+++++++++++Lincoln,+MA%0D%0A++++++++++++++++01773?entry=gmail&source=g>*
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We hold Zoom meetings of up to 100 people with nothing more that the cameras on laptops and phones. Works great with no need to spend anything. You can make presentations and share files almost instantly. Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message --------From: hopengarten@post.harvard.edu Date: 3/22/20 2:22 PM (GMT-06:00) To: arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> Subject: [arrl-odv:29915] Zooming Into the Future Colleagues, The world has changed. In the next 10-15 weeks, we will hold a lot of video teleconferences, some/many replacing face-to-face meetings. For example, the Executive Committee meeting scheduled to follow the Dayton HamVention is not going to happen at the Dayton Marriott. I propose that: · We do what we must to permit Zoom/WebEx/Skype videoconference meetings under our bylaws.· In my life, Zoom seems to be winning these days. But I have no religious preference. Pick one and proceed.· We solicit from someone we trust information on a standardized package of camera, headset and backdrop that we can buy in bulk for $200.--The camera should self-focus and follow (K3RF has one and it is really nice to watch).--The headset should deliver decent audio through its microphone, and eliminate the hollow/echo sounds of some cameras with built-in microphones in some rooms. It might also quiet down the sounds of barking children and crying dogs (or vice versa).--The backdrops should be cheap, and easy to set up, but prevent the camera from being blinded by reflection off windows, and the like, as well as the distraction of trying to figure out what is going on behind the person then speaking· W e force the CFO to allow payment for each “studio” set up for these meetings to come out of each Division budget (i.e., no additional budget, but, as this is going to substitute for travel, it seems like a perfectly reasonable substitution)· I’m suggesting a standardized package to permit our IT and technical people to be better positioned to help out when problems arise.· It seems to me that this is a matter that should be routed through the A&F Committee. But, as described in the immediately preceding bullet, it should not change any Division budget.· If we buy in bulk, purchasing 30-35 of these packages, we should be get the price down below $200 per studio. I would remind all that the $6000-7000 cost is less than the cost of one in-person EC meeting. · When we are ready to implement, I suggest the technical team prepare a two page memo on how to set up the camera, headset and backdrop, as well as how to initiate and join (just a URL for a good YouTube video). As we are all now enjoying a new reality, and the greatest need is within the next 10 weeks, I urge fast action. Fred Hopengarten, Esq. K1VR hopengarten@post.harvard.eduSix Willarch RoadLincoln, MA 01773 antennazoning.com781.259.0088 Virus-free. www.avast.com
Hello Fred et al, I have purchased a “pro” level Zoom account that has been used for every CEO Search Committee meeting. I have experienced most every available platform, and Zoom also happens to be the service used by the ‘Lab. It is not expensive in single-off packages and a group of “seats” is actually quite reasonable. The quality and usability is much better than Skype.. and most others. . The League should consider a multiple seat option that can easily be managed through HQ.... and again I would strongly suggest Zoom. 73, Kermit W9XA Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, March 22, 2020, 14:22, hopengarten@post.harvard.edu wrote: <!--#yiv0558624931 _filtered {} _filtered {}#yiv0558624931 #yiv0558624931 p.yiv0558624931MsoNormal, #yiv0558624931 li.yiv0558624931MsoNormal, #yiv0558624931 div.yiv0558624931MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";}#yiv0558624931 a:link, #yiv0558624931 span.yiv0558624931MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv0558624931 a:visited, #yiv0558624931 span.yiv0558624931MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv0558624931 p.yiv0558624931MsoListParagraph, #yiv0558624931 li.yiv0558624931MsoListParagraph, #yiv0558624931 div.yiv0558624931MsoListParagraph {margin-top:0in;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:0in;margin-left:.5in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";}#yiv0558624931 span.yiv0558624931EmailStyle18 {font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";color:windowtext;}#yiv0558624931 .yiv0558624931MsoChpDefault {font-size:10.0pt;} _filtered {}#yiv0558624931 div.yiv0558624931WordSection1 {}#yiv0558624931 _filtered {} _filtered {} _filtered {} _filtered {} _filtered {} _filtered {} _filtered {} _filtered {} _filtered {} _filtered {}#yiv0558624931 ol {margin-bottom:0in;}#yiv0558624931 ul {margin-bottom:0in;}--> Colleagues, The world has changed. In the next 10-15 weeks, we will hold a lot of video teleconferences, some/many replacing face-to-face meetings. For example, the Executive Committee meeting scheduled to follow the Dayton HamVention is not going to happen at the Dayton Marriott. I propose that: · We do what we must to permit Zoom/WebEx/Skype videoconference meetings under our bylaws. · In my life, Zoom seems to be winning these days. But I have no religious preference. Pick one and proceed. · We solicit from someone we trust information on a standardized package of camera, headset and backdrop that we can buy in bulk for $200. --The camera should self-focus and follow (K3RF has one and it is really nice to watch). --The headset should deliver decent audio through its microphone, and eliminate the hollow/echo sounds of some cameras with built-in microphones in some rooms. It might also quiet down the sounds of barking children and crying dogs (or vice versa). --The backdrops should be cheap, and easy to set up, but prevent the camera from being blinded by reflection off windows, and the like, as well as the distraction of trying to figure out what is going on behind the person then speaking · W e force the CFO to allow payment for each “studio” set up for these meetings to come out of each Division budget (i.e., no additional budget, but, as this is going to substitute for travel, it seems like a perfectly reasonable substitution) · I’m suggesting a standardized package to permit our IT and technical people to be better positioned to help out when problems arise. · It seems to me that this is a matter that should be routed through the A&F Committee. But, as described in the immediately preceding bullet, it should not change any Division budget. · If we buy in bulk, purchasing 30-35 of these packages, we should be get the price down below $200 per studio. I would remind all that the $6000-7000 cost is less than the cost of one in-person EC meeting. · When we are ready to implement, I suggest the technical team prepare a two page memo on how to set up the camera, headset and backdrop, as well as how to initiate and join (just a URL for a good YouTube video). As we are all now enjoying a new reality, and the greatest need is within the next 10 weeks, I urge fast action. Fred Hopengarten, Esq. K1VR hopengarten@post.harvard.edu Six Willarch Road Lincoln, MA 01773 antennazoning.com 781.259.0088 | | Virus-free. www.avast.com | _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv
All, I tend to stay out of discussions on ODV, but on this one,let me say something. First, it soundslike I’m tooting my own horn, but I have forty-plus years in thevideo/television/film industry. I thinkI know a few things about this. Ed Hudgens is right. This is not complicated. Fred hasa point that we all need to think about using videoconferencing. The relative costs are small, and will be farless than our usual travel budgets. But we don’t need to purchase anything. At most, individuals may want to upgradetheir webcams. There are goodinstructions out there on how to use the various sites, and if need be, I canwrite up something or do a video for YouTube just for the group on how to setthings up and what to look for. Everyoneshould be able to work a DIY on this, and help could be available for those whoneed it. In the last week I have attended one club meeting (moreattendees than the usual in-person meetings) two other informal radio meetings,and two extended family gatherings. AndI have just been asked to help live-stream church services between now andEaster. It’s all off-the-shelfequipment. Most of it is knowing one ortwo techniques (using computer equipment you already own) to make things lookand sound a little better. I’ll be gladto help. 73, Tom W8WTD On Sunday, March 22, 2020, 04:25:44 PM EDT, Kermit Carlson via arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> wrote: Hello Fred et al, I have purchased a “pro” level Zoom account that has been used for every CEO Search Committee meeting. I have experienced most every available platform, and Zoom also happens to be the service used by the ‘Lab. It is not expensive in single-off packages and a group of “seats” is actually quite reasonable. The quality and usability is much better than Skype.. and most others. . The League should consider a multiple seat option that can easily be managed through HQ.... and again I would strongly suggest Zoom. 73, Kermit W9XA Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, March 22, 2020, 14:22, hopengarten@post.harvard.edu wrote: Colleagues, The world has changed. In the next 10-15 weeks, we will hold a lot of video teleconferences, some/many replacing face-to-face meetings. For example, the Executive Committee meeting scheduled to follow the Dayton HamVention is not going to happen at the Dayton Marriott. I propose that: · We do what we must to permit Zoom/WebEx/Skype videoconference meetings under our bylaws. · In my life, Zoom seems to be winning these days. But I have no religious preference. Pick one and proceed. · We solicit from someone we trust information on a standardized package of camera, headset and backdrop that we can buy in bulk for $200. --The camera should self-focus and follow (K3RF has one and it is really nice to watch). --The headset should deliver decent audio through its microphone, and eliminate the hollow/echo sounds of some cameras with built-in microphones in some rooms. It might also quiet down the sounds of barking children and crying dogs (or vice versa). --The backdrops should be cheap, and easy to set up, but prevent the camera from being blinded by reflection off windows, and the like, as well as the distraction of trying to figure out what is going on behind the person then speaking · W e force the CFO to allow payment for each “studio” set up for these meetings to come out of each Division budget (i.e., no additional budget, but, as this is going to substitute for travel, it seems like a perfectly reasonable substitution) · I’m suggesting a standardized package to permit our IT and technical people to be better positioned to help out when problems arise. · It seems to me that this is a matter that should be routed through the A&F Committee. But, as described in the immediately preceding bullet, it should not change any Division budget. · If we buy in bulk, purchasing 30-35 of these packages, we should be get the price down below $200 per studio. I would remind all that the $6000-7000 cost is less than the cost of one in-person EC meeting. · When we are ready to implement, I suggest the technical team prepare a two page memo on how to set up the camera, headset and backdrop, as well as how to initiate and join (just a URL for a good YouTube video). As we are all now enjoying a new reality, and the greatest need is within the next 10 weeks, I urge fast action. Fred Hopengarten, Esq. K1VR hopengarten@post.harvard.edu Six Willarch Road Lincoln, MA 01773 antennazoning.com 781.259.0088 | | Virus-free. www.avast.com | _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv
One of my reports at Fox architected and set up the entire zoom infrastructure. They have VC rooms and such with the cameras. It can get fancy and expensive real quick. But I will agree with Ed and others - there is absolutely NO need to over complicate this. My only recommendation is that we each get a headset if we don’t have one. Don’t get the cheap $5 headset from Walmart. Get a Jabra or plantronics. At the bank we have settled on Jabra for absolutely everything including the contact centers (call centers). They aren’t expensive for us to purchase individually. Expense if you must but to be honest I already have a USB Jabra that I use and like as part of my remote work kit. And this is another point - get a USB or Bluetooth headset. This way you aren’t messing with the sound card in your computer. Plug one plug in and play. It’s time tested and absolutely works. I use an evolve 30 but the 40 is the newest and latest wired and is less than $100. It’s engineered for heavy duty use. 73 Ria N2RJ On Sun, Mar 22, 2020 at 3:22 PM <hopengarten@post.harvard.edu> wrote:
Colleagues,
The world has changed. In the next 10-15 weeks, we will hold a lot of video teleconferences, some/many replacing face-to-face meetings. For example, the Executive Committee meeting scheduled to follow the Dayton HamVention is not going to happen at the Dayton Marriott.
I propose that:
· We do what we must to permit Zoom/WebEx/Skype videoconference meetings under our bylaws.
· In my life, Zoom seems to be winning these days. But I have no religious preference. Pick one and proceed.
· We solicit from someone we trust information on a standardized package of camera, headset and backdrop that we can buy in bulk for $200.
--The camera should self-focus and follow (K3RF has one and it is really nice to watch).
--The headset should deliver decent audio through its microphone, and eliminate the hollow/echo sounds of some cameras with built-in microphones in some rooms. It might also quiet down the sounds of barking children and crying dogs (or vice versa).
--The backdrops should be cheap, and easy to set up, but prevent the camera from being blinded by reflection off windows, and the like, as well as the distraction of trying to figure out what is going on behind the person then speaking
·
W e force the CFO to allow payment for each “studio” set up for these meetings to come out of each Division budget (i.e., no additional budget, but, as this is going to substitute for travel, it seems like a perfectly reasonable substitution)
· I’m suggesting a standardized package to permit our IT and technical people to be better positioned to help out when problems arise.
· It seems to me that this is a matter that should be routed through the A&F Committee. But, as described in the immediately preceding bullet, it should not change any Division budget.
· If we buy in bulk, purchasing 30-35 of these packages, we should be get the price down below $200 per studio. I would remind all that the $6000-7000 cost is less than the cost of one in-person EC meeting.
· When we are ready to implement, I suggest the technical team prepare a two page memo on how to set up the camera, headset and backdrop, as well as how to initiate and join (just a URL for a good YouTube video).
As we are all now enjoying a new reality, and the greatest need is within the next 10 weeks, I urge fast action.
*Fred Hopengarten, Esq. K1VR hopengarten@post.harvard.edu <hopengarten@post.harvard.edu>*
*Six Willarch Road <https://www.google.com/maps/search/Willarch+Road+Lincoln,+MA+01773?entry=gmail&source=g>*
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Camera in laptop, and phone earbuds/mic seem to work just fine for me. My .03 Mark, HDX On Sun, Mar 22, 2020 at 12:22 PM <hopengarten@post.harvard.edu> wrote:
Colleagues,
The world has changed. In the next 10-15 weeks, we will hold a lot of video teleconferences, some/many replacing face-to-face meetings. For example, the Executive Committee meeting scheduled to follow the Dayton HamVention is not going to happen at the Dayton Marriott.
I propose that:
· We do what we must to permit Zoom/WebEx/Skype videoconference meetings under our bylaws.
· In my life, Zoom seems to be winning these days. But I have no religious preference. Pick one and proceed.
· We solicit from someone we trust information on a standardized package of camera, headset and backdrop that we can buy in bulk for $200.
--The camera should self-focus and follow (K3RF has one and it is really nice to watch).
--The headset should deliver decent audio through its microphone, and eliminate the hollow/echo sounds of some cameras with built-in microphones in some rooms. It might also quiet down the sounds of barking children and crying dogs (or vice versa).
--The backdrops should be cheap, and easy to set up, but prevent the camera from being blinded by reflection off windows, and the like, as well as the distraction of trying to figure out what is going on behind the person then speaking
·
W e force the CFO to allow payment for each “studio” set up for these meetings to come out of each Division budget (i.e., no additional budget, but, as this is going to substitute for travel, it seems like a perfectly reasonable substitution)
· I’m suggesting a standardized package to permit our IT and technical people to be better positioned to help out when problems arise.
· It seems to me that this is a matter that should be routed through the A&F Committee. But, as described in the immediately preceding bullet, it should not change any Division budget.
· If we buy in bulk, purchasing 30-35 of these packages, we should be get the price down below $200 per studio. I would remind all that the $6000-7000 cost is less than the cost of one in-person EC meeting.
· When we are ready to implement, I suggest the technical team prepare a two page memo on how to set up the camera, headset and backdrop, as well as how to initiate and join (just a URL for a good YouTube video).
As we are all now enjoying a new reality, and the greatest need is within the next 10 weeks, I urge fast action.
*Fred Hopengarten, Esq. K1VR hopengarten@post.harvard.edu <hopengarten@post.harvard.edu>*
*Six Willarch Road*
*Lincoln, MA 01773 antennazoning.com <http://antennazoning.com>*
*781.259.0088*
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On 3/22/2020 3:22 PM, hopengarten@post.harvard.edu wrote:
/*--The camera should self-focus and follow (K3RF has one and it is really nice to watch).*/
It is easy to do as many of you already know. I use video for long distance meetings with clients and for long distance depositions. The products are mainstream. The one Fred mentioned is common - a Logitech high end product which I have a number of and recommend them. The current version is shown here, but is out of stock - something I have never seen. *https://www.logitech.com/en-us/product/brio?crid=34* Everyone is doing what we are doing so equipment stocks are low. Cheaper versions will work but do not have the features Fred talks about. Your existing laptop cameras, if you have one, will work fine but the effect is not as natural. Upscale gear is something perhaps for the future but what you already have should work for now. *Bob Famiglio, K3RF* --
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