Hi Rick, Well, I'm still not certain how the licensing business can be done by the FCC and the sub band regulation can be done independently by the ARRL without some sort of intimate collaboration. But if you all think that is worked out then I'm good with that. However, here's my point. ARRL's petition in March 2002 was for the Novice and coded Techs to be given CW privileges in the CW/RTTY/data sub bands on the bands which currently have the old novice bands (according to a new set of frequencies suggested in that petition). So if the FCC were to amaze us all an move out on a change as suggested in the March 2002 proposal, on forty meters, the Novice and coded techs could operate CW from 7000 to 7125 KHz. However, this new regulation by bandwidth proposal would be a little weird since you probably would not want to encourage CW from 7100 and up. I gather one could work CW on any part of the forty meter band, but as you know, if you venture much into the phone band operating CW, then you would most likely get a ration of Super High Intensity Training (or SHIT as we say out here). So, the definition of where the Novice and coded techs should operate might be from 7125 and down from the 2002 proposal or it might be from 7100 and down from the current one. Once the FCC chisels the frequencies for HF operation by coded techs in limestone, then it might have some influence on where the 3 KHz bandwidth sub bands might need to be. If a non-ARRL member, no-coded tech had a piece of paper from the FCC that said he could operate CW on 7105 KHz and an ARRL-regulated band plan said that WINLINK 2000 robots will likely pounce your frequency on 7105 all day long, then I would expect some conflict to arise. Again, some corroboration would be needed for this to work. Back to 2 meter EME where I understand what I'm doing. Ned ----- Original Message ----- From: K5ur@aol.com To: arrl-odv Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2005 11:55 PM Subject: [arrl-odv:12210] Re: More bandwidth confusion Yep, what Tom said, Ned. Your first post on ODV? Good grief..... I've never know you to be that quiet! (hi) 73, K5UR In a message dated 4/30/2005 4:58:25 PM Central Standard Time, aa7a@cox.net writes: Hello all. First posting to this reflector. I finally feel like I know a little bit about something. I was briefing the Southern AZ DX Association on the most recent EC proposed regulation by bandwidth plan. I was questioned by an astute listener as what happens to the CW-only sub bands for the Technician (P) class operators on the HF bands. Even if the ARRL or other entity is authorized to define HF band plans, the FCC surely must still regulate the frequency authorizations for license classes. How does sub band plans regulated by an entity other than the FCC remain de-conflicted from FCC licensing privileges? Does the amateur radio-based regulator recommend and coordinate adjustments to FCC license frequency bands as part of the process? Ned Stearns AA7A Southwestern Division Vice Director