May 2009 - arrl-odv - reflector.arrl.org

RE: [arrl-odv:17734] RE: [arrl-odv:17731] Clubs in PA14?
by K8JE 11 May '09

11 May '09

Dave, The following questions relates to the reason that we do not make positions in the Legislative Action Program available to non-ARRL members. Affiliated clubs are loosely required to have no fewer than 51% percent of their members belong to ARRL. If one assumes that all clubs have no more than 51% of members as ARR: members, would there be a concern that sending requests for support of our legislative activities to all affiliated clubs represent a risk of the League promoting these activities to an excessive number of nonmembers? Would we need to be sure to send these requests only to clubs that have a minimal percent (to be defined) of ARRL members rather than to send them to all affiliated clubs? Jim Jim Weaver, K8JE, Director ARRL Great Lakes Division 5065 Bethany Rd. Mason, OH 45040 E-mail: k8je(a)arrl.org, Tel.: 513-459-1661 ARRL - The national association for Amateur Radio -----Original Message----- From: Bill Edgar [mailto:n3llr@earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 6:01 PM To: arrl-odv Subject: RE: [arrl-odv:17734] RE: [arrl-odv:17731] Clubs in PA14? Dave, Thanks for your reply. I agree with you that some clubs will have membership overlap with congressional districts, but I don't think all of them do. A DX club would undoubtedly have memberships in multiple congressional districts, but we have some local affiliated clubs that membership would be in a single congressional district. I would think a representative or senator getting a letter from a club with their constituents as members would get more attention. What would it hurt for a club to send a letter advocating a position to a representative? Would it be easier to run the affiliated club address through the same database that we got the congressional districts for our members and then add the club mailing and email addresses to the list so as to make it easier for our legislative action volunteers to solicit member action? Thanks! - Bill N3LLR -----Original Message----- From: Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ [mailto:dsumner@arrl.org] Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 10:49 AM To: arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:17734] RE: [arrl-odv:17731] Clubs in PA14? Bill, in many if not most cases a club's membership is going to overlap into multiple Congressional districts. A targeted approach to affiliated clubs based on the club's mailing address is likely to generate a lot of confusion. Clubs certainly can be included in a general call to contact Congress. That said, it only took me a couple of minutes to pull the list of communities in PA-14 off the House Web site, compare it to the list of affiliated clubs in WPA, and determine that the only club addresses that are potentially in the district are those in Pittsburgh itself. Dave K1ZZ -----Original Message----- From: n3llr(a)earthlink.net [mailto:n3llr@earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 10:02 AM To: arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:17731] Clubs in PA14? Please understand this is in no way a complaint with Dan Henderson. Both our DLAC and I see tremendous opportunity here. I received the attached note from our division's DLAC. What would it take to add affiliated clubs to the grass roots member listing by congressional districts so the clubs are included in legislative action bulletins and requests? - Bill N3LLR -----Original Message----- From: David Prestel Subj: Clubs in PA14? Date: Mon May 11, 2009 8:27 am To: n3llr(a)arrl.org Bill: I have sent out messages regarding House Bill HR2160 to all 100 of the 140 members in PA14 for whom we have email addresses. I asked Mr. Henderson if we had any way of identifying clubs in PA14 and he said that there was no way to do that. Something to think about for the future: Get lists of clubs for each of the House and Senate districts in the Atlantic Division. While our 501(c)3 status prevents the League from lobbying folks who are not members, nothing would prevent Joe or Jane Ham from speaking up about legislation at their local club meeting. Dave

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RE: [arrl-odv:17734] RE: [arrl-odv:17731] Clubs in PA14?
by Bill Edgar 11 May '09

11 May '09

Dave, Thanks for your reply. I agree with you that some clubs will have membership overlap with congressional districts, but I don't think all of them do. A DX club would undoubtedly have memberships in multiple congressional districts, but we have some local affiliated clubs that membership would be in a single congressional district. I would think a representative or senator getting a letter from a club with their constituents as members would get more attention. What would it hurt for a club to send a letter advocating a position to a representative? Would it be easier to run the affiliated club address through the same database that we got the congressional districts for our members and then add the club mailing and email addresses to the list so as to make it easier for our legislative action volunteers to solicit member action? Thanks! - Bill N3LLR -----Original Message----- From: Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ [mailto:dsumner@arrl.org] Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 10:49 AM To: arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:17734] RE: [arrl-odv:17731] Clubs in PA14? Bill, in many if not most cases a club's membership is going to overlap into multiple Congressional districts. A targeted approach to affiliated clubs based on the club's mailing address is likely to generate a lot of confusion. Clubs certainly can be included in a general call to contact Congress. That said, it only took me a couple of minutes to pull the list of communities in PA-14 off the House Web site, compare it to the list of affiliated clubs in WPA, and determine that the only club addresses that are potentially in the district are those in Pittsburgh itself. Dave K1ZZ -----Original Message----- From: n3llr(a)earthlink.net [mailto:n3llr@earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 10:02 AM To: arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:17731] Clubs in PA14? Please understand this is in no way a complaint with Dan Henderson. Both our DLAC and I see tremendous opportunity here. I received the attached note from our division's DLAC. What would it take to add affiliated clubs to the grass roots member listing by congressional districts so the clubs are included in legislative action bulletins and requests? - Bill N3LLR -----Original Message----- From: David Prestel Subj: Clubs in PA14? Date: Mon May 11, 2009 8:27 am To: n3llr(a)arrl.org Bill: I have sent out messages regarding House Bill HR2160 to all 100 of the 140 members in PA14 for whom we have email addresses. I asked Mr. Henderson if we had any way of identifying clubs in PA14 and he said that there was no way to do that. Something to think about for the future: Get lists of clubs for each of the House and Senate districts in the Atlantic Division. While our 501(c)3 status prevents the League from lobbying folks who are not members, nothing would prevent Joe or Jane Ham from speaking up about legislation at their local club meeting. Dave

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[arrl-odv:17734] RE: [arrl-odv:17731] Clubs in PA14?
by Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ 11 May '09

11 May '09

Bill, in many if not most cases a club's membership is going to overlap into multiple Congressional districts. A targeted approach to affiliated clubs based on the club's mailing address is likely to generate a lot of confusion. Clubs certainly can be included in a general call to contact Congress. That said, it only took me a couple of minutes to pull the list of communities in PA-14 off the House Web site, compare it to the list of affiliated clubs in WPA, and determine that the only club addresses that are potentially in the district are those in Pittsburgh itself. Dave K1ZZ -----Original Message----- From: n3llr(a)earthlink.net [mailto:n3llr@earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 10:02 AM To: arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:17731] Clubs in PA14? Please understand this is in no way a complaint with Dan Henderson. Both our DLAC and I see tremendous opportunity here. I received the attached note from our division's DLAC. What would it take to add affiliated clubs to the grass roots member listing by congressional districts so the clubs are included in legislative action bulletins and requests? - Bill N3LLR -----Original Message----- From: David Prestel Subj: Clubs in PA14? Date: Mon May 11, 2009 8:27 am To: n3llr(a)arrl.org Bill: I have sent out messages regarding House Bill HR2160 to all 100 of the 140 members in PA14 for whom we have email addresses. I asked Mr. Henderson if we had any way of identifying clubs in PA14 and he said that there was no way to do that. Something to think about for the future: Get lists of clubs for each of the House and Senate districts in the Atlantic Division. While our 501(c)3 status prevents the League from lobbying folks who are not members, nothing would prevent Joe or Jane Ham from speaking up about legislation at their local club meeting. Dave

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RE: Congressman John Larson's Visit to Newington........
by Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ 11 May '09

11 May '09

Frank, I know you are trying to be helpful and constructive. I do need to correct some misapprehensions. It is not true that John Larson "has never heard from us." Post-Katrina we worked with him and his staff to introduce a $500,000 earmark for ARRL for emergency communications training. He took a personal interest and did introduce it in March 2006, but earmarks fell out of favor that year and it died (along with many others). I agree that it is time for a followup with his staff about a possible visit, and will do so. Obviously, with his new responsibilities he has had a lot on his plate in the opening months of the new Congress and new administration and it would be inappropriate (not to mention counterproductive) for us to take umbrage at the lack of an immediate response to our invitation. It is important for us to have his support (and even more important for us not to stimulate his opposition). However, Congressman Larson's interests and committee assignments do not point toward his becoming another Barry Goldwater for us. If you or anyone else on ODV wants to discuss a PAC you must do it offline. ARRL resources, including the email reflector, cannot be used. 73, Dave K1ZZ -----Original Message----- From: Frank Fallon [mailto:n2ff@optonline.net] Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 8:43 AM To: arrl-odv Subject: Congressman John Larson's Visit to Newington........ Dave, To focus on John Larson's eventual visit to Newington HQ, and how we might bring that about, a bit closer --- Larson is, as you know, the number four legislator in the House, and not the caucus as I said in my last e-mail. He is chairman of the Democratic Caucus and a very good friend of Rahm Emmanuel. This is an important guy in Washington who has the potential to become the Speaker of the House. The bottom line is that he could become a second Barry Goldwater for ham radio in Washington. Yes, he would be in the congress and he has no ham ticket. It would be nice to have him visit our Newington HQ and have him on our side before you are both retired. What's really important here with respect to John Larsen is to not simply ask him to support our bill. That would be an _insult to him_ considering that a "low level" not too well liked representative from Texas has introduced this bill. I am not worried about what a few Texas voters think of our sponsor. I am more concerned about how her colleagues in other states feel about her; can she get support for her bill. I think it is important that board members be aware that our sponsor has some baggage which we are going to have to deal with. going forward. Full disclosure and transparency are the new watchwords in DC these days. At this point as we have.a potential prime backer from Newington and he has never heard from us before this bill was introduced. Now it starts to get tacky in working with Larsen. We should have had a relationship with him in place and working "before" the bill was introduced. It's a bit sad that after four months we have not heard back from Larson's office. Perhaps the letter went astray or was received by a total incompetent volunteer in his office and wound up in the bit bin. It is obviously time for a few additional moves. Might I suggest a three pronged effort - fax, phone and letter - to his local and DC office From my experience the DC offices are run much more professionally. That may be where his scheduler resides. Now that Larson is a new Washington star he may have new gatekeepers who are keeping our message from him. The movie "Turk 182" comes to mind here as it deals with getting the attention of a local politician. The movie shows some over the top ideas but it is out of the box. But that may be what is needed in this case. Perhaps what we need here is some "negative" persuasion. Some of us might form a state PAC such as "CT Ham PAC" and run our own candidate in the next district Democrat primary election. While K1KI is not in Larson's district, Mary Hobart is. That would certainly get Larson's attention and he might be more willing to view our "mom and pop operation" in his home area. As Dayton is only a few days away I am willing to help out there by alerting hams nationwide of our inability to get Larson to visit HQ. I still have time to develop a model letter which I can slip under the door of any room at the Crowne Plaza that has a QSL card on the door. The letter would begin, "ARRL CEO, Dave Sumner, K1ZZ needs your help in getting Congressman John Larson to visit Newington HQ......" I'll let the guys in YCCC, the Antenna Forum, the RTTY Forum and in the Contest Suite and NJDXA suite know what a terrible time we are having getting Larson to visit. I am also willing on my own dime to help organize information picketing of Larson's district office in CT. I am sure that you and Harold can work out a schedule so that we can have between three and five staff show up outside his office during prime commute time with placards that say things like, "Congressman Larson Ignores Homeland Security." In less than four months we would have some local TV coverage and a number of videos up on You Tube drawing attention to our plight. I am sure his office would return your calls very quickly. But perhaps we will not have to go this "negative" strident route. 73 de Frank....N2FF......

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RE: Congressman John Larson's Visit to Newington........
by John Bellows 11 May '09

11 May '09

I'm sure Frank's suggestion is the product of his zeal to press our agenda in Congress and in particular with Congressman Larson. There are a number of ways to get someone's attention, even busy politicians. Two examples are a "nudge" and a "two by four upside the head." My experience is that the nudge is more likely to get the desired support, particularly if repeated frequently. We want to develop friends of Amateur Radio not someone who views us as a threat. In an ideal world Representative Tubbs-Jones may not have been my first choice as primary sponsor of our bill, but she was willing to take up that step and has gathered a number of co-sponsors. So far so good. As they say in Texas "you 'gotta' dance with them that brought you." (Reference source provided upon request) Perhaps we can work on convincing Representatives from our Divisions to Co-Sponsor the bill at the appropriate time. As of now the strategy of working through those Members of Congress who are on the committees seems to make sense. 73, Jay, KØQB -----Original Message----- From: Frank Fallon [mailto:n2ff@optonline.net] Sent: Monday, May 11, 2009 7:43 AM To: arrl-odv Subject: Congressman John Larson's Visit to Newington........ Dave, To focus on John Larson's eventual visit to Newington HQ, and how we might bring that about, a bit closer --- Larson is, as you know, the number four legislator in the House, and not the caucus as I said in my last e-mail. He is chairman of the Democratic Caucus and a very good friend of Rahm Emmanuel. This is an important guy in Washington who has the potential to become the Speaker of the House. The bottom line is that he could become a second Barry Goldwater for ham radio in Washington. Yes, he would be in the congress and he has no ham ticket. It would be nice to have him visit our Newington HQ and have him on our side before you are both retired. What's really important here with respect to John Larsen is to not simply ask him to support our bill. That would be an _insult to him_ considering that a "low level" not too well liked representative from Texas has introduced this bill. I am not worried about what a few Texas voters think of our sponsor. I am more concerned about how her colleagues in other states feel about her; can she get support for her bill. I think it is important that board members be aware that our sponsor has some baggage which we are going to have to deal with. going forward. Full disclosure and transparency are the new watchwords in DC these days. At this point as we have.a potential prime backer from Newington and he has never heard from us before this bill was introduced. Now it starts to get tacky in working with Larsen. We should have had a relationship with him in place and working "before" the bill was introduced. It's a bit sad that after four months we have not heard back from Larson's office. Perhaps the letter went astray or was received by a total incompetent volunteer in his office and wound up in the bit bin. It is obviously time for a few additional moves. Might I suggest a three pronged effort - fax, phone and letter - to his local and DC office From my experience the DC offices are run much more professionally. That may be where his scheduler resides. Now that Larson is a new Washington star he may have new gatekeepers who are keeping our message from him. The movie "Turk 182" comes to mind here as it deals with getting the attention of a local politician. The movie shows some over the top ideas but it is out of the box. But that may be what is needed in this case. Perhaps what we need here is some "negative" persuasion. Some of us might form a state PAC such as "CT Ham PAC" and run our own candidate in the next district Democrat primary election. While K1KI is not in Larson's district, Mary Hobart is. That would certainly get Larson's attention and he might be more willing to view our "mom and pop operation" in his home area. As Dayton is only a few days away I am willing to help out there by alerting hams nationwide of our inability to get Larson to visit HQ. I still have time to develop a model letter which I can slip under the door of any room at the Crowne Plaza that has a QSL card on the door. The letter would begin, "ARRL CEO, Dave Sumner, K1ZZ needs your help in getting Congressman John Larson to visit Newington HQ......" I'll let the guys in YCCC, the Antenna Forum, the RTTY Forum and in the Contest Suite and NJDXA suite know what a terrible time we are having getting Larson to visit. I am also willing on my own dime to help organize information picketing of Larson's district office in CT. I am sure that you and Harold can work out a schedule so that we can have between three and five staff show up outside his office during prime commute time with placards that say things like, "Congressman Larson Ignores Homeland Security." In less than four months we would have some local TV coverage and a number of videos up on You Tube drawing attention to our plight. I am sure his office would return your calls very quickly. But perhaps we will not have to go this "negative" strident route. 73 de Frank....N2FF......

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[arrl-odv:17731] Clubs in PA14?
by n3llr＠earthlink.net 11 May '09

11 May '09

Please understand this is in no way a complaint with Dan Henderson. Both our DLAC and I see tremendous opportunity here. I received the attached note from our division's DLAC. What would it take to add affiliated clubs to the grass roots member listing by congressional districts so the clubs are included in legislative action bulletins and requests? - Bill N3LLR -----Original Message----- From: David Prestel Subj: Clubs in PA14? Date: Mon May 11, 2009 8:27 am To: n3llr(a)arrl.org Bill: I have sent out messages regarding House Bill HR2160 to all 100 of the 140 members in PA14 for whom we have email addresses. I asked Mr. Henderson if we had any way of identifying clubs in PA14 and he said that there was no way to do that. Something to think about for the future: Get lists of clubs for each of the House and Senate districts in the Atlantic Division. While our 501(c)3 status prevents the League from lobbying folks who are not members, nothing would prevent Joe or Jane Ham from speaking up about legislation at their local club meeting. Dave

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[arrl-odv:17730] 2009 Dayton Reception Guest List
by Hobart, Mary K1MMH 11 May '09

11 May '09

Good morning, Attached is an alphabetical listing of attendees for the 2009 Donor Reception in Dayton on Thursday evening. 73, Mary K1MMH Mary M. Hobart, K1MMH Chief Development Officer ARRL Telephone: 860-594-0397 Fax: 860-594-0259 email: mhobart(a)arrl.org

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Congressman John Larson's Visit to Newington........
by Frank Fallon 11 May '09

11 May '09

Dave, To focus on John Larson's eventual visit to Newington HQ, and how we might bring that about, a bit closer --- Larson is, as you know, the number four legislator in the House, and not the caucus as I said in my last e-mail. He is chairman of the Democratic Caucus and a very good friend of Rahm Emmanuel. This is an important guy in Washington who has the potential to become the Speaker of the House. The bottom line is that he could become a second Barry Goldwater for ham radio in Washington. Yes, he would be in the congress and he has no ham ticket. It would be nice to have him visit our Newington HQ and have him on our side before you are both retired. What's really important here with respect to John Larsen is to not simply ask him to support our bill. That would be an _insult to him_ considering that a "low level" not too well liked representative from Texas has introduced this bill. I am not worried about what a few Texas voters think of our sponsor. I am more concerned about how her colleagues in other states feel about her; can she get support for her bill. I think it is important that board members be aware that our sponsor has some baggage which we are going to have to deal with. going forward. Full disclosure and transparency are the new watchwords in DC these days. At this point as we have.a potential prime backer from Newington and he has never heard from us before this bill was introduced. Now it starts to get tacky in working with Larsen. We should have had a relationship with him in place and working "before" the bill was introduced. It's a bit sad that after four months we have not heard back from Larson's office. Perhaps the letter went astray or was received by a total incompetent volunteer in his office and wound up in the bit bin. It is obviously time for a few additional moves. Might I suggest a three pronged effort - fax, phone and letter - to his local and DC office From my experience the DC offices are run much more professionally. That may be where his scheduler resides. Now that Larson is a new Washington star he may have new gatekeepers who are keeping our message from him. The movie "Turk 182" comes to mind here as it deals with getting the attention of a local politician. The movie shows some over the top ideas but it is out of the box. But that may be what is needed in this case. Perhaps what we need here is some "negative" persuasion. Some of us might form a state PAC such as "CT Ham PAC" and run our own candidate in the next district Democrat primary election. While K1KI is not in Larson's district, Mary Hobart is. That would certainly get Larson's attention and he might be more willing to view our "mom and pop operation" in his home area. As Dayton is only a few days away I am willing to help out there by alerting hams nationwide of our inability to get Larson to visit HQ. I still have time to develop a model letter which I can slip under the door of any room at the Crowne Plaza that has a QSL card on the door. The letter would begin, "ARRL CEO, Dave Sumner, K1ZZ needs your help in getting Congressman John Larson to visit Newington HQ......" I'll let the guys in YCCC, the Antenna Forum, the RTTY Forum and in the Contest Suite and NJDXA suite know what a terrible time we are having getting Larson to visit. I am also willing on my own dime to help organize information picketing of Larson's district office in CT. I am sure that you and Harold can work out a schedule so that we can have between three and five staff show up outside his office during prime commute time with placards that say things like, "Congressman Larson Ignores Homeland Security." In less than four months we would have some local TV coverage and a number of videos up on You Tube drawing attention to our plight. I am sure his office would return your calls very quickly. But perhaps we will not have to go this "negative" strident route. 73 de Frank....N2FF......

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[arrl-odv:17728] RE: [arrl-odv:17719] Grassroots at Dayton but not at Newington......
by Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ 09 May '09

09 May '09

I don't know where the typo originated, but the headline has been fixed. Dave ________________________________ From: Joel Harrison [mailto:w5zn@arrl.org] Sent: Fri 5/8/2009 5:46 PM To: arrl-odv Subject: RE: [arrl-odv:17719] Grassroots at Dayton but not at Newington...... Neither did I !!!! Joel -----Original Message----- From: Frank Fallon [mailto:n2ff@optonline.net] Sent: Friday, May 08, 2009 11:23 AM To: arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:17719] Grassroots at Dayton but not at Newington...... Hey, I didn't know we still had this committee?????????? "ARRL Grassroots Legislative Action Committee Solicits Member Support for HR 2160"

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[arrl-odv:17725] RE: [arrl-odv:17715] HR 2160 web staory......
by Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ 09 May '09

09 May '09

Frank, I sent an invitation to Congressman Larson back in January. We should not be casting or repeating aspersions about elected officials who are willing to do things for us. We have enjoyed support from the whole range of the political spectrum over the years and we want to continue to do so. Much of Texas is politically more conservative than Rep. Jackson-Lee's Houston district. The first co-sponsor who signed on is a conservative Republican from Cliff Ahrens's district in Missouri. I am out of the office and did not get to read the Web story on HR 2160 before it was posted. Dan was also out today; I don't know if he did or not. In any event, if there's an error we'll correct it. Dave K1ZZ/3 ________________________________ From: Frank Fallon [mailto:n2ff@optonline.net] Sent: Fri 5/8/2009 4:13 PM To: arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:17715] HR 2160 web staory...... Hey, I didn't know we still had this committee?????????? "ARRL Grassroots Legislative Action Committee Solicits Member Support for HR 2160" according to the web lead on our site this morning. http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2009/05/08/10809/?nc=1 I must also note that I have not been cced anything from Henderson to the DLAC's and others. I am not at all clear as to what is being done or expected of the division. I wonder if other directors have been sent that info. I do not know if we have any targets in the division and what, if anything, has been sent to them. BUT..... what, if anything have we about establishing a relationship with Congressman Larson who represents Newington, CT. Has the "red herring" of our sacred 501 c 3 status finally died? For those unaware, Larson is the number four guy in the Democratic caucus. Many o9f our HQ staff are in his district. Years ago we should have invited him and his staff out to Newington and we have not. Even John Chwat has recommended that. Dave, do it, please, ASAP. There is no excuse. Nice quiet talks in your office over the last three years have all lead to nothing. Also, I think we should all be aware of the negative reaction that the sponsor of HR 2160 generates. My local political junkies here in the metro area and friends in Texas do not have good things to say about her. A NY ham who happens to be a BIG contributor to ARRL fund raising efforts sent me the following from Tower Talk this morning. I am almost certain the signer is NOT an ARRL member, but what this shows is that a lot of Texas folk do not have a warm and fuzzy feeling about the congresswoman, and it's probably not because she graduated from Jamaica High School in Queens, NY where I taught evening school for many years in my former life. Think, Larson, please. > 73 de Frank.....N2FF...... >

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