May 2008 - arrl-odv - reflector.arrl.org

[arrl-odv:16724] RE: [arrl-odv:16719] Headline: Broadband over power lines plan is dead in Dallas
by Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ 03 May '08

03 May '08

Jim, The BPL database lists Duke Energy in several Zip codes in the Charlotte area. These have been small trials to evaluate different vendors. According to Ambient, they have a contract to supply hardware to Duke Energy but the news releases about it have talked about Smart Grid network management, not consumer broadband. Dave K1ZZ ________________________________ From: K8JE [mailto:K8JE@arrl.org] Sent: Sat 5/3/2008 1:23 AM To: arrl-odv Subject: RE: [arrl-odv:16719] Headline: Broadband over power lines plan is dead in Dallas Dave, Dave, With no apparent publicity about BPL by Duke Energy (they bought Cinergy) in Cincinnati, I keep waiting for the we're-shutting-down shoe to drop here as well. Am I correct that Duke does have consumer-oriented BPL elsewhere in the corporation? Jim Jim Weaver, K8JE, Director ARRL Great Lakes Division 5065 Bethany Rd. Mason, OH 45040 E-mail: k8je(a)arrl.org <mailto:k8je@arrl.org> ; Tel.: 513-459-0142 ARRL - The Reason Amateur Radio Is! Members - The Reason ARRL Is! ________________________________ From: Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ [mailto:dsumner@arrl.org] Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 10:25 AM To: arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:16719] Headline: Broadband over power lines plan is dead in Dallas We're trying to get more information. Dave http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/bus/stories/DN-current_02bus.AR… <http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/bus/stories/DN-current_02bus.AR…>

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RE: [arrl-odv:16719] Headline: Broadband over power lines plan is dead in Dallas
by K8JE 03 May '08

03 May '08

Dave, Dave, With no apparent publicity about BPL by Duke Energy (they bought Cinergy) in Cincinnati, I keep waiting for the we're-shutting-down shoe to drop here as well. Am I correct that Duke does have consumer-oriented BPL elsewhere in the corporation? Jim Jim Weaver, K8JE, Director ARRL Great Lakes Division 5065 Bethany Rd. Mason, OH 45040 E-mail: <mailto:k8je@arrl.org> k8je(a)arrl.org; Tel.: 513-459-0142 ARRL - The Reason Amateur Radio Is! Members - The Reason ARRL Is! _____ From: Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ [mailto:dsumner@arrl.org] Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 10:25 AM To: arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:16719] Headline: Broadband over power lines plan is dead in Dallas We're trying to get more information. Dave <http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/bus/stories/DN-current_02bus.AR T.State.Edition1.460d413.html> http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/bus/stories/DN-current_02bus.ART .State.Edition1.460d413.html

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[arrl-odv:16722] Re: RE: Headline: Broadband over power lines plan is dead in Dallas
by Frank Fallon 02 May '08

02 May '08

Dave, What about BPL in Crawford? The devil made me ask that. I simply could not resist. Frank....N2FF...... Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ wrote: > Our Web story will be up shortly. We're highlighting this "latest > marketplace failure" of BPL and using it to recap the Court of Appeals > decision and to link to a very pessimistic report about BPL from the > City of Austin, Texas, while giving Current due credit for not > interfering with hams. > > Dave K1ZZ

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Telecomweb.com - World's Biggest BPL Project Converted To Utility Use Only - May 2, 2008
by Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ 02 May '08

02 May '08

This story has a bit more detail on the Dallas situation. http://www.telecomweb.com/tnd/260493.html Dave ________________________________ From: sumner(a)snet.net [mailto:sumner@snet.net] Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 3:34 PM To: Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ Subject: Telecomweb.com - World's Biggest BPL Project Converted To Utility Use Only - May 2, 2008 World's Biggest BPL Project Converted To Utility Use Only - May 2, 2008 Click here to access the sent link <http://www.telecomweb.com/tnd/260493.html>

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[arrl-odv:16720] RE: [arrl-odv:16719] Headline: Broadband over power lines plan is dead in Dallas
by Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ 02 May '08

02 May '08

Our Web story will be up shortly. We're highlighting this "latest marketplace failure" of BPL and using it to recap the Court of Appeals decision and to link to a very pessimistic report about BPL from the City of Austin, Texas, while giving Current due credit for not interfering with hams. Dave K1ZZ

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[arrl-odv:16719] Headline: Broadband over power lines plan is dead in Dallas
by Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ 02 May '08

02 May '08

We're trying to get more information. Dave > http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/bus/stories/DN-current_02b > us.ART.State.Edition1.460d413.html > >

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Bill of Cost - ARRL -vs- FCC
by Joel Harrison 02 May '08

02 May '08

Dileep Srihari from WilmerHale called Chris today and asked if we wanted WilmerHale to prepare a bill of costs against the United States. This is provided for by Rule 39, Federal Rules of Appellate Procedure. We are not exactly entitled, but are likely to be awarded costs of copying the Joint Appendix, because we substantially prevailed in the case, and got the remand. Dileep thinks that we have a very good shot at being awarded costs of copying, which ran well over $7K, because we got the remand from the Court. Dileep asked Jon Frankel if we should be entitled to an award even though the decision was split on the issues remanded. Jon thinks that we should be able to get a Bill of Costs granted and Chris does as well. Dave and I have given Chris approval to have WilmerHale prepare one. 73 Joel W5ZN

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RE: [arrl-odv:16709] Visalia Report - Part 1, Revenge of the Righteous
by Joel Harrison 02 May '08

02 May '08

Being that this year's convention was sponsored by Southern California DX Club, Dick was the "approving" director. It would have really made things bad if Dick had stepped in this year. I think he did the right thing by just standing down and taking the lumps with a smile. Next year the Northern Cal group will be the sponsoring club and Bob Vallio will be the "approving" director. I don't expect the same situation next year, or at least would hope they wouldn't become involved in such petty activity. -----Original Message----- From: Bill Edgar [mailto:n3llr@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 7:53 PM To: arrl-odv Subject: RE: [arrl-odv:16709] Visalia Report - Part 1, Revenge of the Righteous Dick, Not much can be done for this year's convention, but if they seek convention status next year, approval is needed from the division director and the EC. Nothing says that the director has to approve it and the division director has the right to be as involved in the convention as he/she feels is necessary. Additionally, approval may be rescinded at any time by the division director for any purpose. We had a convention in our division that a long time hamfest/convention chairman thought he would try to bully the division director about how the sponsor was going to run the convention. The convention status was refused for a year and then the division director, a division assistant director met with the hamfest chairman, club president and vice president. A copy of the hamfest/convention packet was provided to each party and the rights, duties and obligations of each party was covered and agreed upon. The hamfest/potential convention sponsor representatives were shown in the ARRL hamfest/convention packet that the approval for the convention could be rescinded at any time. Fortunately, the sponsor representatives took that to heart and for 2007 and 2008, the convention was approved and worked out to everyone's benefit. Dick, you were treated shamefully and there is absolutely no excuse for that. - Bill N3LLR -----Original Message----- From: Joel Harrison [mailto:w5zn@arrl.org] Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 8:23 PM To: arrl-odv Subject: RE: [arrl-odv:16709] Visalia Report - Part 1, Revenge of the Righteous Hi Dick, Thanks for the reports from Visalia. Maybe we should look at enforcing, changing or better clarifying what the mandatory responsibilities of being designated as an "ARRL convention" are. I don't believe the responsible individuals gain any support for this type of activity. Thanks for hanging in there under some extreme conditions. 73 Joel W5ZN -----Original Message----- From: Richard J. Norton [mailto:richardjnorton@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 3:38 PM To: arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:16709] Visalia Report - Part 1, Revenge of the Righteous Just thought that since some of you were involved with last fall's Director election, you might be interested in this. I'm not sure what, if anything, should be done. ----------------------------------- Last fall insiders of the national Amateur Radio association conspired to deny due process to the most qualified candidate for Southwestern Division Director. In doing so, they kept their unpopular, boot-licking buddy in the office for three more years, where he will no doubt allow them to continue their mismanagement of League affairs. The "International DX Convention," sponsored by the Southern California DX Club this year, and held in Visalia, California this past weekend was chaired by the aggrieved potential director, and his acolytes were significant players on the convention committee. This presented an opportunity to show the bullies from Newington what happens when you mess with the good guys, and that opportunity was certainly exploited. ---------------------------------- The convention applied for and received recognition as an ARRL specialty convention. The League provided the convention with publicity in QST and on the web, a package of books for prizes or other convention use, and paid expenses for Ward Silver, N0AX, to be the Headquarters representative. In return, after a history of 20 or more years where the ARRL table was just inside the main entrance to the exhibit area, this year the ARRL was provided with a table in a hallway outside the exhibit area, away from traffic.A friend commented that he didn't think ARRL had a presence at the convention at all. Note that among others, the convention did provide an exhibit hall table the to the Northern California Contest Club, probably also for the first time in history. ARRL affiliation was not mentioned at all in the 60 page convention booklet. In the list of 40 prize donors, ARRL was not listed at all, although it appears that the books were indeed used as raffle prizes. On the posted lists of prize winners, ARRL provided prizes were identified only as, "book," not something like "ARRL Antenna Book." There was no indication that "book" even came from ARRL. In the box containing the books, was the usual kit of ARRL handouts. These handouts were never given to the ARRL exhibit, nor displayed elsewhere. The box was sent from Newington to Chairman Carl Gardenias, WU6D. The convention has characteristically reserved a table near the front center for ARRL people at the banquet. This year, a table was provided in the right field bleachers. There was an introduction of DX visitors and ARRL people at the start of Saturday's program. After individually announcing the callsigns of all non-USA attendees, 80 percent who were not in the room, the SCDXC president said something like, "I don't know who is here from the ARRL, but would you all please stand? You may all sit down now." At the banquet, special verbal recognition was given to both Worldradio and CQ Magazine for support. No mention was made of the League. Ironically, the two California ARRL Directors received significant face time with the audience at the DX Forum (see part 2, coming soon) and during a quiz-show-like game during Sunday's breakfast. Some convention committee members were apparently unaware of the need for total ARRL suppression. And, sadly the nefarious Southwestern Director, since he sits not at the ARRL table, but with a group of his long-term cronies, ended up seated at one of the best seats at the banquet. ------------------------- In case it wasn't evident, the first two paragraphs are worded sarcastically, and can be used to start a thread on QRZ.COM. 73, Dick, N6AA

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RE: [arrl-odv:16709] Visalia Report - Part 1, Revenge of the Righteous
by Bill Edgar 02 May '08

02 May '08

Dick, Not much can be done for this year's convention, but if they seek convention status next year, approval is needed from the division director and the EC. Nothing says that the director has to approve it and the division director has the right to be as involved in the convention as he/she feels is necessary. Additionally, approval may be rescinded at any time by the division director for any purpose. We had a convention in our division that a long time hamfest/convention chairman thought he would try to bully the division director about how the sponsor was going to run the convention. The convention status was refused for a year and then the division director, a division assistant director met with the hamfest chairman, club president and vice president. A copy of the hamfest/convention packet was provided to each party and the rights, duties and obligations of each party was covered and agreed upon. The hamfest/potential convention sponsor representatives were shown in the ARRL hamfest/convention packet that the approval for the convention could be rescinded at any time. Fortunately, the sponsor representatives took that to heart and for 2007 and 2008, the convention was approved and worked out to everyone's benefit. Dick, you were treated shamefully and there is absolutely no excuse for that. - Bill N3LLR -----Original Message----- From: Joel Harrison [mailto:w5zn@arrl.org] Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 8:23 PM To: arrl-odv Subject: RE: [arrl-odv:16709] Visalia Report - Part 1, Revenge of the Righteous Hi Dick, Thanks for the reports from Visalia. Maybe we should look at enforcing, changing or better clarifying what the mandatory responsibilities of being designated as an "ARRL convention" are. I don't believe the responsible individuals gain any support for this type of activity. Thanks for hanging in there under some extreme conditions. 73 Joel W5ZN -----Original Message----- From: Richard J. Norton [mailto:richardjnorton@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 3:38 PM To: arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:16709] Visalia Report - Part 1, Revenge of the Righteous Just thought that since some of you were involved with last fall's Director election, you might be interested in this. I'm not sure what, if anything, should be done. ----------------------------------- Last fall insiders of the national Amateur Radio association conspired to deny due process to the most qualified candidate for Southwestern Division Director. In doing so, they kept their unpopular, boot-licking buddy in the office for three more years, where he will no doubt allow them to continue their mismanagement of League affairs. The "International DX Convention," sponsored by the Southern California DX Club this year, and held in Visalia, California this past weekend was chaired by the aggrieved potential director, and his acolytes were significant players on the convention committee. This presented an opportunity to show the bullies from Newington what happens when you mess with the good guys, and that opportunity was certainly exploited. ---------------------------------- The convention applied for and received recognition as an ARRL specialty convention. The League provided the convention with publicity in QST and on the web, a package of books for prizes or other convention use, and paid expenses for Ward Silver, N0AX, to be the Headquarters representative. In return, after a history of 20 or more years where the ARRL table was just inside the main entrance to the exhibit area, this year the ARRL was provided with a table in a hallway outside the exhibit area, away from traffic.A friend commented that he didn't think ARRL had a presence at the convention at all. Note that among others, the convention did provide an exhibit hall table the to the Northern California Contest Club, probably also for the first time in history. ARRL affiliation was not mentioned at all in the 60 page convention booklet. In the list of 40 prize donors, ARRL was not listed at all, although it appears that the books were indeed used as raffle prizes. On the posted lists of prize winners, ARRL provided prizes were identified only as, "book," not something like "ARRL Antenna Book." There was no indication that "book" even came from ARRL. In the box containing the books, was the usual kit of ARRL handouts. These handouts were never given to the ARRL exhibit, nor displayed elsewhere. The box was sent from Newington to Chairman Carl Gardenias, WU6D. The convention has characteristically reserved a table near the front center for ARRL people at the banquet. This year, a table was provided in the right field bleachers. There was an introduction of DX visitors and ARRL people at the start of Saturday's program. After individually announcing the callsigns of all non-USA attendees, 80 percent who were not in the room, the SCDXC president said something like, "I don't know who is here from the ARRL, but would you all please stand? You may all sit down now." At the banquet, special verbal recognition was given to both Worldradio and CQ Magazine for support. No mention was made of the League. Ironically, the two California ARRL Directors received significant face time with the audience at the DX Forum (see part 2, coming soon) and during a quiz-show-like game during Sunday's breakfast. Some convention committee members were apparently unaware of the need for total ARRL suppression. And, sadly the nefarious Southwestern Director, since he sits not at the ARRL table, but with a group of his long-term cronies, ended up seated at one of the best seats at the banquet. ------------------------- In case it wasn't evident, the first two paragraphs are worded sarcastically, and can be used to start a thread on QRZ.COM. 73, Dick, N6AA

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RE: [arrl-odv:16709] Visalia Report - Part 1, Revenge of the Righteous
by Joel Harrison 02 May '08

02 May '08

Hi Dick, Thanks for the reports from Visalia. Maybe we should look at enforcing, changing or better clarifying what the mandatory responsibilities of being designated as an "ARRL convention" are. I don't believe the responsible individuals gain any support for this type of activity. Thanks for hanging in there under some extreme conditions. 73 Joel W5ZN -----Original Message----- From: Richard J. Norton [mailto:richardjnorton@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 3:38 PM To: arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:16709] Visalia Report - Part 1, Revenge of the Righteous Just thought that since some of you were involved with last fall's Director election, you might be interested in this. I'm not sure what, if anything, should be done. ----------------------------------- Last fall insiders of the national Amateur Radio association conspired to deny due process to the most qualified candidate for Southwestern Division Director. In doing so, they kept their unpopular, boot-licking buddy in the office for three more years, where he will no doubt allow them to continue their mismanagement of League affairs. The "International DX Convention," sponsored by the Southern California DX Club this year, and held in Visalia, California this past weekend was chaired by the aggrieved potential director, and his acolytes were significant players on the convention committee. This presented an opportunity to show the bullies from Newington what happens when you mess with the good guys, and that opportunity was certainly exploited. ---------------------------------- The convention applied for and received recognition as an ARRL specialty convention. The League provided the convention with publicity in QST and on the web, a package of books for prizes or other convention use, and paid expenses for Ward Silver, N0AX, to be the Headquarters representative. In return, after a history of 20 or more years where the ARRL table was just inside the main entrance to the exhibit area, this year the ARRL was provided with a table in a hallway outside the exhibit area, away from traffic.A friend commented that he didn't think ARRL had a presence at the convention at all. Note that among others, the convention did provide an exhibit hall table the to the Northern California Contest Club, probably also for the first time in history. ARRL affiliation was not mentioned at all in the 60 page convention booklet. In the list of 40 prize donors, ARRL was not listed at all, although it appears that the books were indeed used as raffle prizes. On the posted lists of prize winners, ARRL provided prizes were identified only as, "book," not something like "ARRL Antenna Book." There was no indication that "book" even came from ARRL. In the box containing the books, was the usual kit of ARRL handouts. These handouts were never given to the ARRL exhibit, nor displayed elsewhere. The box was sent from Newington to Chairman Carl Gardenias, WU6D. The convention has characteristically reserved a table near the front center for ARRL people at the banquet. This year, a table was provided in the right field bleachers. There was an introduction of DX visitors and ARRL people at the start of Saturday's program. After individually announcing the callsigns of all non-USA attendees, 80 percent who were not in the room, the SCDXC president said something like, "I don't know who is here from the ARRL, but would you all please stand? You may all sit down now." At the banquet, special verbal recognition was given to both Worldradio and CQ Magazine for support. No mention was made of the League. Ironically, the two California ARRL Directors received significant face time with the audience at the DX Forum (see part 2, coming soon) and during a quiz-show-like game during Sunday's breakfast. Some convention committee members were apparently unaware of the need for total ARRL suppression. And, sadly the nefarious Southwestern Director, since he sits not at the ARRL table, but with a group of his long-term cronies, ended up seated at one of the best seats at the banquet. ------------------------- In case it wasn't evident, the first two paragraphs are worded sarcastically, and can be used to start a thread on QRZ.COM. 73, Dick, N6AA

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