May 2008 - arrl-odv - reflector.arrl.org

RE: [arrl-odv:16763] Re:RE: Red Cross letter
by K8JE 19 May '08

19 May '08

I certainly agree with Bill regarding sending premature and unproven messages of the war is over to our folks. In the present case, I suggest that we shouldnt leave the impression that all is well between ARRL and RC when my read of the most recent exchange on ODV is that we dont really know what is and what isnt fixed at the moment. Lest it be misunderstood that I have shifted 180 degrees and am saying we should not have made any announcement about the RC letter, this is not the case. I still encourage and applaud early communication with members on major issues; however, we need to be cautious that the communication accurately reflects the situation. As it currently stands, the takeaway from the Dayton release as Ive heard it is that all is well in the world and that RC and ARRL are again on the same page as loving brothers and sisters. So far as I now understand, we remain unsure as to whether or not the sky is still falling. Jim Jim Weaver, K8JE, Director ARRL Great Lakes Division 5065 Bethany Rd. Mason, OH 45040 E-mail: <mailto:k8je@arrl.org> k8je(a)arrl.org; Tel.: 513-459-0142 ARRL - The Reason Amateur Radio Is! Members - The Reason ARRL Is! _____ From: Bill Edgar [mailto:n3llr@earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 1:16 PM To: arrl-odv Cc: 'Dura,Dennis, K2DCD' Subject: RE: [arrl-odv:16763] Re:RE: Red Cross letter Then why were we in such a rush that we couldnt wait to verify that what Mascellis letter offered actually did meet the resolution passed by the board last year, and why did we have to announce to our members at Dayton, lead story on our website, and in an email to our section managers this morning, pointing out the story on our website that: With the background check issue apparently resolved, the ARRL will be working with the ARC in the negotiation and creation of a draft for a new Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) or similar document to replace the one which expired last year; Dura and Keith Robertory of the ARC will be leading the effort. In my opinion, the only comment to have been made at Dayton and on our website, should have been, that we had just received an answer from Red Cross on Saturday and that we were reviewing it. In light of Chriss comments, it appears that the announcement is not only misleading to our members, but premature. Personally, I dont consider the background check issue resolved at this time, and until so I dont think that working on an MOU at this time is appropriate. What I find offensive with ARCs new policy as that it does not limit what the Red Cross has access to once given permission. I believe the website posting needs corrected or withdrawn, and a notice sent to the section managers letting them know of that action. - Bill N3LLR From: Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ [mailto:dsumner@arrl.org] Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 12:18 PM To: arrl-odv Cc: Dura,Dennis, K2DCD Subject: [arrl-odv:16763] Re:RE: Red Cross letter Joel was careful to say that the Red Cross had addressed some of our concerns. Dave From: w3kd(a)aol.com [mailto:w3kd@aol.com] Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 12:08 PM To: arrl-odv Cc: Dura,Dennis, K2DCD Subject: [arrl-odv:16762] Re: Red Cross letter Perhaps I am falling victim to the cynicism that comes to some people with age, or perhaps the Red Cross has created it, but I have some residual concerns here. As of now, these concerns are apparently water under the bridge, but since not misleading members is a fairly high priority with any association and especially with ARRL, it seems to me that we need to be careful not to tell members that all is well necessarily if we aren't sure it is. I for one am not sure it is. I wish the Red Cross had attempted to work with us on the revised consent form. They didn't, however, and it is important for the Board to know that the second paragraph of Mascelli's May 8 letter responding to Joel's November 28, 2007 letter is more than a bit misleading, because it falsely implies that they did. Mascelli claims that after Joel's letter was received, they "started to work" within the ARC to address the concerns in Joel's letter. He says that this effort "included a subsequent meeting between our attorneys to fully explore each issue and implications for both organizations." They say that following this "session" they routinely kept Dennis Dura informed of their progress. In fact, there was no meeting subsequent to Joel's letter that involved my office at all, of course. The "between our attorneys" reference simply means apparently that their in-house counsel at ARC discussed the issues internally among themselves. There were initial conversations between my office and the GC's office at the ARC about the problem more than a year ago, but those stopped long before Joel's letter to Mascelli, as the Ad Hoc Background Check committee told the Board at the last two Board meetings. All that aside, they didn't HAVE to work with us to solve the problems identified in Joel's letter; we didn't ask them to specifically. We just wanted the problem of the background check consent form solved. It would have been nice if they had worked with us on this, though. Here's why: The new consent form (which I hope is complete as-sent and doesn't include other language; the language that I saw that was attached to the Mascelli letter isn't a complete consent form; it appears to be an excerpt from a consent form) is better by a long shot than the old language, which was very misleading, and which should have been fixed a year ago. But it still raises questions. It surely enough itemizes the information that "may be obtained" which includes basic criminal background check information. So far, so good, although nowhere does it say that the information that "may be obtained" is limited to that. And that is a problem, because at the last paragraph, before "steps for ARRL members", the consent form says that the consenter acknowledges that "a background check report is a consumer report which is covered under the Fair Credit Reporting Act ("FCRA")". Indeed, it is. Here is the definition of a "consumer report" under 15 U.S.C. § 1681(a) (part of the FCRA) dealing with credit reporting agencies: it means "any written, oral or other communication of any information by a consumer reporting agency bearing on a consumers credit worthiness, credit standing, credit capacity, character, general reputation, personal characteristics, or mode of living which is used or expected to be used or collected in whole or in part for the purpose of serving as a factor in establishing the consumers eligibility for [credit or insurance, employment purposes, or any other purpose authorized by 15 U.S.C. § 1681b. So, we are in the position of having first sounded a cautionary signal to our members about the old consent form, and now telling them that all is well. But the background check consent form still says that the background check is a "consumer report which is covered under the federal Fair Credit Reporting Act..." I really don't want to prolong this tedious dispute, and I certainly understand why Dave and Joel and Kay decided to make noise about Mascelli's long-awaited letter at Dayton, but unfortunately, I don't have a good comfort level about the consent form revision, and it seems we are in a difficult position if anything goes wrong with one of our members hereafter. I will look forward to possibly fixing this problem in the new SOU being negotiated. 73, Chris W3KD -----Original Message----- From: Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ <dsumner(a)arrl.org> To: arrl-odv <arrl-odv(a)reflector.arrl.org> Sent: Mon, 19 May 2008 10:45 am Subject: [arrl-odv:16761] Red Cross letter On Saturday morning we received the attached copy of a letter that had been sent to President Harrison about a week earlier by Armond T. Mascelli, Vice President, Disaster Services, Response, American Red Cross. With the Dayton Hamvention ARES forum imminent, Joel, Kay Craigie and I reviewed the letter and determined that it was sufficiently responsive to our concerns that we should not miss the opportunity to announce this at the forum, and Dennis Dura did so to applause. So as not to be scooped on our own announcement, staff onsite at ARRL Expo put together the story that was posted on the ARRL Web site. I apologize for not getting the actual letter into your hands a bit sooner. Dave Sumner, K1ZZ _____ Plan your next roadtrip with MapQuest.com <http://www.mapquest.com/?ncid=mpqmap00030000000004> : America's #1 Mapping Site.

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RE: [arrl-odv:16763] Re:RE: Red Cross letter
by Bill Edgar 19 May '08

19 May '08

Then why were we in such a rush that we couldn’t wait to verify that what Mascelli’s letter offered actually did meet the resolution passed by the board last year, and why did we have to announce to our members at Dayton, lead story on our website, and in an email to our section managers this morning, pointing out the story on our website that: ‘With the background check issue apparently resolved, the ARRL will be working with the ARC in the negotiation and creation of a draft for a new Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) or similar document to replace the one which expired last year; Dura and Keith Robertory of the ARC will be leading the effort.’ In my opinion, the only comment to have been made at Dayton and on our website, should have been, that we had just received an answer from Red Cross on Saturday and that we were reviewing it. In light of Chris’s comments, it appears that the announcement is not only misleading to our members, but premature. Personally, I don’t consider the background check issue resolved at this time, and until so I don’t think that working on an MOU at this time is appropriate. What I find offensive with ARC’s new policy as that it does not limit what the Red Cross has access to once given permission. I believe the website posting needs corrected or withdrawn, and a notice sent to the section managers letting them know of that action. - Bill N3LLR From: Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ [mailto:dsumner@arrl.org] Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 12:18 PM To: arrl-odv Cc: Dura,Dennis, K2DCD Subject: [arrl-odv:16763] Re:RE: Red Cross letter Joel was careful to say that the Red Cross had addressed “some” of our concerns. Dave From: w3kd(a)aol.com [mailto:w3kd@aol.com] Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 12:08 PM To: arrl-odv Cc: Dura,Dennis, K2DCD Subject: [arrl-odv:16762] Re: Red Cross letter Perhaps I am falling victim to the cynicism that comes to some people with age, or perhaps the Red Cross has created it, but I have some residual concerns here. As of now, these concerns are apparently water under the bridge, but since not misleading members is a fairly high priority with any association and especially with ARRL, it seems to me that we need to be careful not to tell members that all is well necessarily if we aren't sure it is. I for one am not sure it is. I wish the Red Cross had attempted to work with us on the revised consent form. They didn't, however, and it is important for the Board to know that the second paragraph of Mascelli's May 8 letter responding to Joel's November 28, 2007 letter is more than a bit misleading, because it falsely implies that they did. Mascelli claims that after Joel's letter was received, they "started to work" within the ARC to address the concerns in Joel's letter. He says that this effort "included a subsequent meeting between our attorneys to fully explore each issue and implications for both organizations." They say that following this "session" they routinely kept Dennis Dura informed of their progress. In fact, there was no meeting subsequent to Joel's letter that involved my office at all, of course. The "between our attorneys" reference simply means apparently that their in-house counsel at ARC discussed the issues internally among themselves. There were initial conversations between my office and the GC's office at the ARC about the problem more than a year ago, but those stopped long before Joel's letter to Mascelli, as the Ad Hoc Background Check committee told the Board at the last two Board meetings. All that aside, they didn't HAVE to work with us to solve the problems identified in Joel's letter; we didn't ask them to specifically. We just wanted the problem of the background check consent form solved. It would have been nice if they had worked with us on this, though. Here's why: The new consent form (which I hope is complete as-sent and doesn't include other language; the language that I saw that was attached to the Mascelli letter isn't a complete consent form; it appears to be an excerpt from a consent form) is better by a long shot than the old language, which was very misleading, and which should have been fixed a year ago. But it still raises questions. It surely enough itemizes the information that "may be obtained" which includes basic criminal background check information. So far, so good, although nowhere does it say that the information that "may be obtained" is limited to that. And that is a problem, because at the last paragraph, before "steps for ARRL members", the consent form says that the consenter acknowledges that "a background check report is a consumer report which is covered under the Fair Credit Reporting Act ("FCRA")". Indeed, it is. Here is the definition of a "consumer report" under 15 U.S.C. § 1681(a) (part of the FCRA) dealing with credit reporting agencies: it means "any written, oral or other communication of any information by a consumer reporting agency bearing on a consumer’s credit worthiness, credit standing, credit capacity, character, general reputation, personal characteristics, or mode of living which is used or expected to be used or collected in whole or in part for the purpose of serving as a factor in establishing the consumer’s eligibility for [credit or insurance, employment purposes, or any other purpose authorized by 15 U.S.C. § 1681b. So, we are in the position of having first sounded a cautionary signal to our members about the old consent form, and now telling them that all is well. But the background check consent form still says that the background check is a "consumer report which is covered under the federal Fair Credit Reporting Act..." I really don't want to prolong this tedious dispute, and I certainly understand why Dave and Joel and Kay decided to make noise about Mascelli's long-awaited letter at Dayton, but unfortunately, I don't have a good comfort level about the consent form revision, and it seems we are in a difficult position if anything goes wrong with one of our members hereafter. I will look forward to possibly fixing this problem in the new SOU being negotiated. 73, Chris W3KD -----Original Message----- From: Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ <dsumner(a)arrl.org> To: arrl-odv <arrl-odv(a)reflector.arrl.org> Sent: Mon, 19 May 2008 10:45 am Subject: [arrl-odv:16761] Red Cross letter On Saturday morning we received the attached copy of a letter that had been sent to President Harrison about a week earlier by Armond T. Mascelli, Vice President, Disaster Services, Response, American Red Cross. With the Dayton Hamvention ARES forum imminent, Joel, Kay Craigie and I reviewed the letter and determined that it was sufficiently responsive to our concerns that we should not miss the opportunity to announce this at the forum, and Dennis Dura did so to applause. So as not to be scooped on our own announcement, staff onsite at ARRL Expo put together the story that was posted on the ARRL Web site. I apologize for not getting the actual letter into your hands a bit sooner. Dave Sumner, K1ZZ _____ Plan your next roadtrip with MapQuest.com <http://www.mapquest.com/?ncid=mpqmap00030000000004> : America's #1 Mapping Site.

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[arrl-odv:16763] Re:RE: Red Cross letter
by Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ 19 May '08

19 May '08

Joel was careful to say that the Red Cross had addressed “some” of our concerns. Dave From: w3kd(a)aol.com [mailto:w3kd@aol.com] Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 12:08 PM To: arrl-odv Cc: Dura,Dennis, K2DCD Subject: [arrl-odv:16762] Re: Red Cross letter Perhaps I am falling victim to the cynicism that comes to some people with age, or perhaps the Red Cross has created it, but I have some residual concerns here. As of now, these concerns are apparently water under the bridge, but since not misleading members is a fairly high priority with any association and especially with ARRL, it seems to me that we need to be careful not to tell members that all is well necessarily if we aren't sure it is. I for one am not sure it is. I wish the Red Cross had attempted to work with us on the revised consent form. They didn't, however, and it is important for the Board to know that the second paragraph of Mascelli's May 8 letter responding to Joel's November 28, 2007 letter is more than a bit misleading, because it falsely implies that they did. Mascelli claims that after Joel's letter was received, they "started to work" within the ARC to address the concerns in Joel's letter. He says that this effort "included a subsequent meeting between our attorneys to fully explore each issue and implications for both organizations." They say that following this "session" they routinely kept Dennis Dura informed of their progress. In fact, there was no meeting subsequent to Joel's letter that involved my office at all, of course. The "between our attorneys" reference simply means apparently that their in-house counsel at ARC discussed the issues internally among themselves. There were initial conversations between my office and the GC's office at the ARC about the problem more than a year ago, but those stopped long before Joel's letter to Mascelli, as the Ad Hoc Background Check committee told the Board at the last two Board meetings. All that aside, they didn't HAVE to work with us to solve the problems identified in Joel's letter; we didn't ask them to specifically. We just wanted the problem of the background check consent form solved. It would have been nice if they had worked with us on this, though. Here's why: The new consent form (which I hope is complete as-sent and doesn't include other language; the language that I saw that was attached to the Mascelli letter isn't a complete consent form; it appears to be an excerpt from a consent form) is better by a long shot than the old language, which was very misleading, and which should have been fixed a year ago. But it still raises questions. It surely enough itemizes the information that "may be obtained" which includes basic criminal background check information. So far, so good, although nowhere does it say that the information that "may be obtained" is limited to that. And that is a problem, because at the last paragraph, before "steps for ARRL members", the consent form says that the consenter acknowledges that "a background check report is a consumer report which is covered under the Fair Credit Reporting Act ("FCRA")". Indeed, it is. Here is the definition of a "consumer report" under 15 U.S.C. § 1681(a) (part of the FCRA) dealing with credit reporting agencies: it means "any written, oral or other communication of any information by a consumer reporting agency bearing on a consumer’s credit worthiness, credit standing, credit capacity, character, general reputation, personal characteristics, or mode of living which is used or expected to be used or collected in whole or in part for the purpose of serving as a factor in establishing the consumer’s eligibility for [credit or insurance, employment purposes, or any other purpose authorized by 15 U.S.C. § 1681b. So, we are in the position of having first sounded a cautionary signal to our members about the old consent form, and now telling them that all is well. But the background check consent form still says that the background check is a "consumer report which is covered under the federal Fair Credit Reporting Act..." I really don't want to prolong this tedious dispute, and I certainly understand why Dave and Joel and Kay decided to make noise about Mascelli's long-awaited letter at Dayton, but unfortunately, I don't have a good comfort level about the consent form revision, and it seems we are in a difficult position if anything goes wrong with one of our members hereafter. I will look forward to possibly fixing this problem in the new SOU being negotiated. 73, Chris W3KD -----Original Message----- From: Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ <dsumner(a)arrl.org> To: arrl-odv <arrl-odv(a)reflector.arrl.org> Sent: Mon, 19 May 2008 10:45 am Subject: [arrl-odv:16761] Red Cross letter On Saturday morning we received the attached copy of a letter that had been sent to President Harrison about a week earlier by Armond T. Mascelli, Vice President, Disaster Services, Response, American Red Cross. With the Dayton Hamvention ARES forum imminent, Joel, Kay Craigie and I reviewed the letter and determined that it was sufficiently responsive to our concerns that we should not miss the opportunity to announce this at the forum, and Dennis Dura did so to applause. So as not to be scooped on our own announcement, staff onsite at ARRL Expo put together the story that was posted on the ARRL Web site. I apologize for not getting the actual letter into your hands a bit sooner. Dave Sumner, K1ZZ ________________________________ Plan your next roadtrip with MapQuest.com <http://www.mapquest.com/?ncid=mpqmap00030000000004> : America's #1 Mapping Site.

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[arrl-odv:16762] Re: Red Cross letter
by w3kd＠aol.com 19 May '08

19 May '08

Perhaps I am falling victim to the cynicism that comes to some people with age, or perhaps the Red Cross has created it, but I have some residual concerns here. As of now, these concerns are apparently water under the bridge, but since not misleading members is a fairly high priority with any association and especially with ARRL, it seems to me that we need to be careful not to tell members that all is well necessarily if we aren't sure it is. I for one am not sure it is. I wish the Red Cross had attempted to work with us on the revised consent form. They didn't, however, and it is important for the Board to know that the second paragraph of Mascelli's May 8 letter responding to Joel's November 28, 2007 letter is more than a bit misleading, because it falsely implies that they did. Mascelli claims that after Joel's letter was received, they "started to work" within the ARC to address the concerns in Joel's letter. He says that this effort "included a subsequent meeting between our attorneys to fully explore each issue and implications for both organizations." They say that following this "session" they routinely kept Dennis Dura informed of their progress. In fact, there was no meeting subsequent to Joel's letter that involved my office at all, of course. The "between our attorneys" reference simply means apparently that their in-house counsel at ARC discussed the issues internally among themselves. There were initial conversations between my office and the GC's office at the ARC about the problem more than a year ago, but those stopped long before Joel's letter to Mascelli, as the Ad Hoc Background Check committee told the Board at the last two Board meetings. All that aside, they didn't HAVE to work with us to solve the problems identified in Joel's letter; we didn't ask them to specifically. We just wanted the problem of the background check consent form solved. It would have been nice if they had worked with us on this, though. Here's why: The new consent form (which I hope is complete as-sent and doesn't include other language; the language that I saw that was attached to the Mascelli letter isn't a complete consent form; it appears to be an excerpt from a consent form) is better by a long shot than the old language, which was very misleading, and which should have been fixed a year ago. But it still raises questions. It surely enough itemizes the information that "may be obtained" which includes basic criminal background check information. So far, so good, although nowhere does it say that the information that "may be obtained" is limited to that. And that is a problem, because at the last paragraph, before "steps for ARRL members", the consent form says that the consenter acknowledges that "a background check report is a consumer report which is covered under the Fair Credit Reporting Act ("FCRA")". Indeed, it is. Here is the definition of a "consumer report" under 15 U.S.C. § 1681(a) (part of the FCRA) dealing with credit reporting agencies: it means "any written, oral or other communication of any information by a consumer reporting agency bearing on a consumer’s credit worthiness, credit standing, credit capacity, character, general reputation, personal characteristics, or mode of living which is used or expected to be used or collected in whole or in part for the purpose of serving as a factor in establishing the consumer’s eligibility for [credit or insurance, employment purposes, or any other purpose authorized by 15 U.S.C. § 1681b. So, we are in the position of having first sounded a cautionary signal to our members about the old consent form, and now telling them that all is well. But the background check consent form still says that the background check is a "consumer report which is covered under the federal Fair Credit Reporting Act..." I really don't want to prolong this tedious dispute, and I certainly understand why Dave and Joel and Kay decided to make noise about Mascelli's long-awaited letter at Dayton, but unfortunately, I don't have a good comfort level about the consent form revision, and it seems we are in a difficult position if anything goes wrong with one of our members hereafter. I will look forward to possibly fixing this problem in the new SOU being negotiated. 73, Chris W3KD -----Original Message----- From: Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ <dsumner(a)arrl.org> To: arrl-odv <arrl-odv(a)reflector.arrl.org> Sent: Mon, 19 May 2008 10:45 am Subject: [arrl-odv:16761] Red Cross letter On Saturday morning we received the attached copy of a letter that had been sent o President Harrison about a week earlier by Armond T. Mascelli, Vice resident, Disaster Services, Response, American Red Cross. With the Dayton Hamvention ARES forum imminent, Joel, Kay Craigie and I reviewed he letter and determined that it was sufficiently responsive to our concerns hat we should not miss the opportunity to announce this at the forum, and ennis Dura did so to applause. So as not to be scooped on our own announcement, staff onsite at ARRL Expo put ogether the story that was posted on the ARRL Web site. I apologize for not getting the actual letter into your hands a bit sooner. Dave Sumner, K1ZZ

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[arrl-odv:16761] Red Cross letter
by Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ 19 May '08

19 May '08

On Saturday morning we received the attached copy of a letter that had been sent to President Harrison about a week earlier by Armond T. Mascelli, Vice President, Disaster Services, Response, American Red Cross. With the Dayton Hamvention ARES forum imminent, Joel, Kay Craigie and I reviewed the letter and determined that it was sufficiently responsive to our concerns that we should not miss the opportunity to announce this at the forum, and Dennis Dura did so to applause. So as not to be scooped on our own announcement, staff onsite at ARRL Expo put together the story that was posted on the ARRL Web site. I apologize for not getting the actual letter into your hands a bit sooner. Dave Sumner, K1ZZ

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[arrl-odv:16760] Re: RE: FW: PR Campaign preview for BoD and SM
by Henry R. Leggette 15 May '08

15 May '08

Thanks Dave! I will probably hear from Steve. 73, Henry - WD4Q ----- Original Message ----- From: Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ To: arrl-odv Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 9:28 AM Subject: [arrl-odv:16754] RE: [arrl-odv:16750] FW: PR Campaign preview for BoD and SM If you have had a chance to visit WeDoThat-Radio.org you may have noticed that there is a section of the blog devoted to NBEMS and Skip Teller, KH6TY. This, coupled with the absence of Winlink, may generate some unhappiness among Winlink devotees. Back in January, Allen Pitts invited Steve Waterman, K4CJX to contribute a couple of pages to the Web site. Allen has not yet received anything, but the offer is still open. So if you happen to field a complaint about this, please assure the complainant that Winlink has not been excluded and additional material can be added at any time. Dave K1ZZ

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[arrl-odv:16759] Re: NBEMS
by Marty Woll 14 May '08

14 May '08

Thanks, Dave and Steve. I'd heard comments from others about the demo screens, so I thought it was worth checking into. 73, Marty N6VI ----- Original Message ----- From: Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ To: arrl-odv Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 1:42 PM Subject: [arrl-odv:16758] Re:RE: RE: RE: FW: PR Campaign preview for BoD and SM Marty, here are Steve Ford's comments. Dave K1ZZ I have not had a chance to play with NBEMS recently. I'm still waiting for it to incorporate a new HF system known as "DEX." I assume he is referring to the VBDigi screens that appear on the NBEMS site, which links off Allen's site. Those images show only standard PSK QSOs, so they do contain errors. When NBEMS operates in ARQ mode using the FLARQ application, it is error free. For whatever reason, they don't show FLARQ screens. The site in question is not an ARRL site--this is the NBEMS site, so we have little control over what they display. Steve

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[arrl-odv:16758] Re:RE: RE: RE: FW: PR Campaign preview for BoD and SM
by Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ 14 May '08

14 May '08

Marty, here are Steve Ford's comments. Dave K1ZZ I have not had a chance to play with NBEMS recently. I'm still waiting for it to incorporate a new HF system known as "DEX." I assume he is referring to the VBDigi screens that appear on the NBEMS site, which links off Allen's site. Those images show only standard PSK QSOs, so they do contain errors. When NBEMS operates in ARQ mode using the FLARQ application, it is error free. For whatever reason, they don't show FLARQ screens. The site in question is not an ARRL site--this is the NBEMS site, so we have little control over what they display. Steve ________________________________ From: Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ [mailto:dsumner@arrl.org] Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 3:40 PM To: arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:16757] Re:RE: RE: FW: PR Campaign preview for BoD and SM Beats me, Marty. I'll ask, but the answer may come post-Dayton. Dave ________________________________ From: Marty Woll [mailto:n6vi@socal.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 3:36 PM To: arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:16756] Re: RE: FW: PR Campaign preview for BoD and SM Hi, Dave. Every sample screen of NBEMS I've seen is full of errors. I can't tell whether this is the result of careless inputting or an indication that the error-correction feature does not work very well. Has anyone within ARRL participated in beta-testing or QC'ing this product? Enjoy Dayton! 73, Marty Marty Woll N6VI Vice-Director, ARRL Southwestern Division ADEC, ARES-LAX-NW BCUL 15, LAFD ACS CERT ----- Original Message ----- From: Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ <mailto:dsumner@arrl.org> To: arrl-odv <mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 7:28 AM Subject: [arrl-odv:16754] RE: [arrl-odv:16750] FW: PR Campaign preview for BoD and SM If you have had a chance to visit WeDoThat-Radio.org you may have noticed that there is a section of the blog devoted to NBEMS and Skip Teller, KH6TY. This, coupled with the absence of Winlink, may generate some unhappiness among Winlink devotees. Back in January, Allen Pitts invited Steve Waterman, K4CJX to contribute a couple of pages to the Web site. Allen has not yet received anything, but the offer is still open. So if you happen to field a complaint about this, please assure the complainant that Winlink has not been excluded and additional material can be added at any time. Dave K1ZZ

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[arrl-odv:16757] Re:RE: RE: FW: PR Campaign preview for BoD and SM
by Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ 14 May '08

14 May '08

Beats me, Marty. I'll ask, but the answer may come post-Dayton. Dave ________________________________ From: Marty Woll [mailto:n6vi@socal.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 3:36 PM To: arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:16756] Re: RE: FW: PR Campaign preview for BoD and SM Hi, Dave. Every sample screen of NBEMS I've seen is full of errors. I can't tell whether this is the result of careless inputting or an indication that the error-correction feature does not work very well. Has anyone within ARRL participated in beta-testing or QC'ing this product? Enjoy Dayton! 73, Marty Marty Woll N6VI Vice-Director, ARRL Southwestern Division ADEC, ARES-LAX-NW BCUL 15, LAFD ACS CERT ----- Original Message ----- From: Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ <mailto:dsumner@arrl.org> To: arrl-odv <mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 7:28 AM Subject: [arrl-odv:16754] RE: [arrl-odv:16750] FW: PR Campaign preview for BoD and SM If you have had a chance to visit WeDoThat-Radio.org you may have noticed that there is a section of the blog devoted to NBEMS and Skip Teller, KH6TY. This, coupled with the absence of Winlink, may generate some unhappiness among Winlink devotees. Back in January, Allen Pitts invited Steve Waterman, K4CJX to contribute a couple of pages to the Web site. Allen has not yet received anything, but the offer is still open. So if you happen to field a complaint about this, please assure the complainant that Winlink has not been excluded and additional material can be added at any time. Dave K1ZZ

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[arrl-odv:16756] Re: RE: FW: PR Campaign preview for BoD and SM
by Marty Woll 14 May '08

14 May '08

Hi, Dave. Every sample screen of NBEMS I've seen is full of errors. I can't tell whether this is the result of careless inputting or an indication that the error-correction feature does not work very well. Has anyone within ARRL participated in beta-testing or QC'ing this product? Enjoy Dayton! 73, Marty Marty Woll N6VI Vice-Director, ARRL Southwestern Division ADEC, ARES-LAX-NW BCUL 15, LAFD ACS CERT ----- Original Message ----- From: Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ To: arrl-odv Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 7:28 AM Subject: [arrl-odv:16754] RE: [arrl-odv:16750] FW: PR Campaign preview for BoD and SM If you have had a chance to visit WeDoThat-Radio.org you may have noticed that there is a section of the blog devoted to NBEMS and Skip Teller, KH6TY. This, coupled with the absence of Winlink, may generate some unhappiness among Winlink devotees. Back in January, Allen Pitts invited Steve Waterman, K4CJX to contribute a couple of pages to the Web site. Allen has not yet received anything, but the offer is still open. So if you happen to field a complaint about this, please assure the complainant that Winlink has not been excluded and additional material can be added at any time. Dave K1ZZ

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