January 2007 - arrl-odv - reflector.arrl.org

[arrl-odv:15070] Re: QST Delivery Problem in the Pacific Section
by Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ 04 Jan '07

04 Jan '07

We've been around and around on this over the years. Not all members in the Pacific Section agree that QST delivery is a problem the ARRL should be expected to do something about. At least some of them recognize that it's their choice to live on an island thousands of miles from the mainland, that doing so involves some tradeoffs, and they shouldn't be annoyed with the ARRL when their mainland buddies talk about a QST article they haven't seen yet. At the risk of sounding insensitive, I believe this has more to do with Bob Schneider wanting to be perceived as going to bat for "his" members than with any real issue. In any event, if it was an issue in the past it is less so today. QST is mailed to everyone earlier now than was the case a few years ago. I have been told by KH6 amateurs that it often arrives before the first of the cover month. Even when it doesn't, members have electronic access to virtually all of the time-sensitive contents. It's impossible to be precise because of all the military addresses and all the non-resident licensees with "accommodation addresses" in Pacific locations (mainly Japanese and "boat people"), but the percentage of licensees in Hawaii who are ARRL members does not appear to me to be dramatically different from the mainland western states. Dick Flanagan wasn't saying we have an image problem. He was gently pointing out to Bob that by emphasizing QST delivery as an issue, Bob was being part of the membership recruitment problem, not part of the solution. Dave K1ZZ -----Original Message----- From: Karl Bullock [mailto:karl@bullock.org] Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 2:39 PM To: arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:15067] Re: QST Delivery Problem in the Pacific Section I know by now everyone's seen this thread, since they sent it to everyone on the Board. This goes right back to the "image" issue I alluded to in a previous thread. We have an image issue, I don't think that's news to anyone. The question is, what do we need to do about it? I agree that poor delivery if QST is not the only issue. 73, Karl, WA5TMC Dick Flanagan wrote: At 09:14 PM 1/3/2007, bob Schneider wrote: QST delivery to the Pacific Section, especially Hawaii, has been an issue for many years. It is probably the major reason membership numbers are low. It looks like we may have a bigger problem than magazine delivery. Perhaps someone should remind the Pacific Section membership that joining ARRL provides much more than just a magazine subscription. I have been an ARRL Life Member for over thirty-five years and during that entire time I have felt that my QST subscription was just a small part of the benefits I received. If untimely receipt of QST is enough to discourage membership, then perhaps we have a lot more to worry about. 73, Dick -- Dick Flanagan K7VC NV SM k7vc(a)arrl.org

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W0EJ shack
by Bruce Frahm K0BJ 04 Jan '07

04 Jan '07

Folks, I had a recent email exchange with N0SM, who is a pal of Iowa SM N0JL in the Ottumwa area, south of Cedar Rapids. He passed along some info re W0EJ, and Wade's good friend (and ARRL's BPL posterboy) W0SR. I am taking the liberty of copying part of Steve's email FYI. 73 Bruce K0BJ de N0SM: I've been communicating with Jim Spencer (W0SR) who is among a group who are determining prices and selling Wade's equipment. I think Jim said there were 70+ items on the list. By the time all of the equipment is sold, Solveig should be able to sail around the world several times. It appears she is doing well....still it must be tough after having him there all of these years. Good to hear from you!! Take good care and a very Happy Healthy Prosperous and RF Filled Year to you and your family, Bruce!! 73 Steve

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FW: QST Delivery Problem in the Pacific Section
by John Bellows 04 Jan '07

04 Jan '07

Something to think about. God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, Courage to change the things I can, and wisdom to know the difference. (Old Irish Prayer) Jay, KØQB -----Original Message----- From: bob Schneider [mailto:ah6j@hawaii.rr.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 11:14 PM To: n3llr(a)arrl.org; w3tom(a)arrl.org; w9gig(a)arrl.org; k9km(a)arrl.org; k0qb(a)arrl.org; n0jph(a)arrl.org; wd4q(a)arrl.org; wa5tmc(a)arrl.org; k8je(a)arrl.org; ki4la(a)arrl.org; n2ff(a)arrl.org; ka2anf(a)arrl.org; k0bj(a)arrl.org; k0ca(a)arrl.org; k1ki(a)arrl.org; k1twf(a)arrl.org; k9jf(a)arrl.org; k7zm(a)arrl.org; w4pwf(a)arrl.org; k4nk(a)arrl.org; ws7w(a)arrl.org; n5zgt(a)arrl.org; w4rh(a)arrl.org; w4ru(a)arrl.org; n6aa(a)arrl.org; aa7a(a)arrl.org; n5ok(a)arrl.org; k5rav(a)arrl.org; w5zn(a)arrl.org; n3kn(a)arrl.org; k5ur(a)arrl.org; w6rod(a)arrl.org; Dave Sumner; K1mmh(a)arrl.org; w4ri(a)arrl.org Cc: kh6gjv(a)arrl.org; w6rff(a)lanset.com; k7vc(a)arrl.org; w6dpd(a)arrl.org; 'Andy Oppel'; gnace(a)pahv.xerox.com; ke6rs(a)arrl.net; k6jeb(a)arrl.net; nj6t(a)arrl.org; fallcamp77(a)aol.com; n2rhv(a)arrl.org; davis(a)gotnet.net; k6rau(a)arrl.net; n6ajo(a)arrl.org; wb6w(a)arrl.net; jthomas7571(a)aol.com; mborkon(a)earthlink.net; ki6oy(a)arrl.net; w7por(a)arrl.net; n6qiy(a)arrl.net; w7ib(a)arrl.org; w6vv(a)arrl.net; wb6lpj(a)arrl.net; w6rgg(a)arrl.org Subject: QST Delivery Problem in the Pacific Section Importance: High Aloha ARRL Official, I am sending this to all directors, vice directors and BOD members because I want to make sure the QST delivery issue is addressed at the upcoming BOD meeting. On December 2, 2006, there was a meeting of the Pacific Division SMs and club officials called by the Pacific Division Director. Director Vallio is to be commended on seeking input on the issues. Here is a quote from the minutes of the December second meeting. Dean, KH6B, wrote an e-mail asking that QST be mailed first class to a subset of members (e.g. Life Members, New Members [1st year], etc.) It was noted that members can pay an additional annual fee to get first class postage. Bob, W6RGG noted that the people in Alaska complained to their congressional representatives about slow mail speed and it was much improved thereafter. The hams in Hawaii have not expressed interest in approaching their congressional representatives. The majority in the room felt this issue was a non-starter. Needless to say this response is totally unacceptable. I want to make sure this feeling is not passed on to the BOD. Deans e-mail was an attempt to bring up this issue along with some possible solutions. I believe that if a person complains, they should offer solutions. I think Dean does too. Incidentally Dean is a former Pacific SM and a good friend. QST delivery to the Pacific Section, especially Hawaii, has been an issue for many years. It is probably the major reason membership numbers are low. Many ARRL officials including at least the three last Pacific Division Directors claim that this issue has been studied and that the problem is with USPS. In an effort to improve the situation QST publication dates have been pushed back and that seems to help. Thank you for that. This month with the holiday mail rush the average delivery date for the December issue is the end of December or start of January 2007. I get my issue by first class and it arrived around mid November which is at least 6 weeks before anyone else. One member just sent me a complaint that October, November, December and of course January has not arrived. This member is on the island of Oahu which is the main population center. I am on the Island of Hawaii which is considered and outer island. As for Bob Vallios comment that we have not complained enough to our congressional representatives, that is absolutely untrue. Over the years there has been a constant string of complaints to the congress people, USPS and of course ARRL. Bob is just simply wrong on that issue which is another reason I am writing directly to you. I dont want that untruth propagated. Thank you for taking the time to read this. 73, Bob Schneider, AH6J Pacific Section Manager

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[arrl-odv:15067] Re: QST Delivery Problem in the Pacific Section
by Karl Bullock 04 Jan '07

04 Jan '07

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[arrl-odv:15066] Re: On Youth in Amateur Radio - not short :)
by Henry R. Leggette 04 Jan '07

04 Jan '07

Hi Karl, You are exactly correct! Very good observation of the way things are these days. As you know I was out of town as we talk on my way on the return trip. I am catching up on my e-mail this morning. 73, Henry - WD4Q ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karl Bullock" <karl(a)bullock.org> To: "arrl-odv" <arrl-odv(a)reflector.arrl.org> Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 5:08 PM Subject: [arrl-odv:15034] Re: On Youth in Amateur Radio - not short :) > Greetings all! > > Chris, what a timely and excellent article! I appreciate you're starting > this discussion, because it speaks to exactly where Ham Radio is right > now; and it's not just Ham Radio, but the nature of our society in > general. Dick and Brian in their responses were both correct. Our > society has placed an emphasis on better living through litigation, and > the lifestyles we have adopted are too geared on making things easier. > We're so much into "fun" that we don't have any, and curiosity is now > punished rather than celebrated. Some of the stuff I did as a kid would > result in legal problems today (and I guess a couple of them probably > should have - but we won't go there!!!). > > I've been reading Thomas Friedman's excellent book "The World is Flat" > lately, and he makes the point that our entire society is set up for us to > lose in the developing global economy, so the problems we face with our > own hobby just mirrors those problems we face as a society. Our [Ham > Radio's] dilemma is twofold: How do we preserve, and promote, the > experimental and innovative nature of our hobby until our society corrects > itself, and is that "correction" actually coming? What can we do as an > organization to help foster that curiosity and willingness to get our > hands dirty when we've spent the last 30 years in our society getting away > from just that mindset? > > I remember when the term "appliance operator" was coined, and the > discussion in the pages of QST predicting exactly what we have become. > While I agree that exponential advances in micro-miniaturization have > surpassed our ability to duplicate some commercial offerings, there is > still room for much innovation, particularly in the areas of digital (SDR > and HSMM come immediately to mind). Still, there's no reason not to "build > our own" to keep our skills sharp and our tools rust-free (I just ordered > a kit from NORCAL just to have something to build this month). > > I monitor (and sometimes contribute to) several other email lists, and one > of the threads on another list the other day, where the discussion was on > new technologies, contained the statement: "...the ARRL is not a > technical organization...so you must go to AMSAT, TAPR, ARBA, etc....to > meet a need", and other respondents agreed. Are we "the place" for > technical innovation? If not, should we be? If so, is there a perception > problem we need to spend time changing? If we don't reverse the > still-ongoing trend, what will Amateur Radio look like 20 years from now? > What can we do to set that agenda? > > Here we face both a new year and a different Amateur Radio than we had 30 > days ago. I don't like completely where things are, but there is much > opportunity for us as a technical avocation to help not only in the change > our society must embrace, but to add to the richness of our hobby at the > same time. Is the League ready for this challenge, or am I just > completely off my nut? > > 73 and Happy New Year, > > Karl, WA5TMC > > > w3kd(a)aol.com wrote: >> Some reflections on a New Years' Day (and I realize that I am outside my >> job description here): >> Before I was a ham, I was a "car guy" and still am, to some extent. My >> two favorite monthly publications are QST and Road and Track, in that >> order. In Road and Track, I like Peter Egan's column. He writes a folksy >> column every month, from his home in Wisconsin. He restored an E-type >> Jaguar, my favorite car ever, so I think very highly of him. >> I got back from Christmas vacation and found the attached article in my >> new Road & Track. I haven't any copyright authority to reprint this, so >> PLEASE don't send it anywhere, but I thought you would be interested in >> reading it; it has some strong parallels to Amateur Radio today. It is >> about soap box derby cars, and how there isn't enough of the three T's in >> kids today to build them the way they used to. The three Ts are "Time, >> Tools and Talent". >> This article really hit me. Two months ago, when I drove my son Ashton >> and his two friends home from a soccer game, one of the boys had an old >> BMW in the school parking lot. It was a real wreck, and when we got back, >> he realized that he had left the lights on in his car. I had jumper >> cables in my Tahoe, as I always do, so I knew this would be no problem at >> all, but I didn't say anything, because I wanted to see how the three >> boys, all smart prep school kids, would solve the problem, working >> together. They failed _miserably_. And I realized at that moment that I >> had failed as a parent, also, because all three boys, including my own, >> _had no idea how to jump a battery, much less jump start a car!_ I had to >> explain the entire process to them, because their best plan was to call a >> tow truck. Since then, I have given Ashton a crash course (no pun >> intended) in auto mechanics. >> A few weeks ago, I was in Delaware at the Punkin Chunkin' competition, >> with the Sandy Spring Friends' School team. They had a trebouchet which >> launched a 5 pound pumpkin about 480 feet. The year before, the team >> (mostly different students) had built a very competitive one that >> launched the pumpkin about 690 feet. The students designed and built it. >> I talked to the Physics teacher most of the day, and he lamented that >> none of the kids knew how to use tools. They were OK at designing the >> device and calculating thrust, etc. using computers and formulas, but >> they couldn't build the darn thing because they didn't know how to use >> tools anymore. He had to coach them in the use of the tools. This was an >> extracurricular activity, but the "time" limitations were dealt with for >> this team by incorporating the design of the trebouchet in the applied >> physics class curriculum. >> Anyway, I am beginning to think that the problem that Amateur Radio has >> with growth, at least among young people, is due to the missing three Ts. >> Note that, in the attached article, the solution that the Soap Box Derby >> arrived at was to offer a car kit that can be assembled in 4 1/2 hours or >> less, because kids now don't have time for hobbies anymore, or a "slow, >> evolving craft project", and because suburban garages no longer have >> tools in them, or people who know how to use them. This seems their >> equivalent to our concern about "dumbing down" Amateur Radio. But it >> works for them, because it is a matter of survival, and they don't seem >> to have any other solutions. >> Perhaps there are other solutions for us, less drastic. >> 73, Chris >> W3KD ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *Check out the new AOL* >> <http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/1615326657x4311227241x4298082137/aol?redir=ht…>. >> Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to >> millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and >> more. >

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[arrl-odv:15065] Re: On Youth in Amateur Radio
by Henry R. Leggette 04 Jan '07

04 Jan '07

Chris, Brian & Dick, Excellent observation! I am catching up on e-mail as I have been out of town a few days. It is so very much out there and a kid can become steered down to incorrect path by peer pressure. I appreciate reading you all comments. Thanks! 73, Henry - WD4Q ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Mileshosky" <n5zgt(a)swcp.com> To: "arrl-odv" <arrl-odv(a)reflector.arrl.org> Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 2:43 PM Subject: [arrl-odv:15032] Re: On Youth in Amateur Radio > Chris -- > > Excellent email. I can't agree more, and I base this off of my own > experience as well as my longtime experience in Scouting, both as a youth > and now as an adult. And now as a brand new parent. > > To an extent parents are largely to blame for this issue that you raise. > Drawing from my involvement in Scouting, I'm surprised every week when I > see parents boot their boy out of the car (with a DVD playing in the > backseat or the kid riding along with his I-Pod surgically implanted in > his ears) at a Scout meeting before it stops rolling and tear out of the > parking lot for a few hours of whatever it is that the parents do each > week. "Baby Sitters of America (BSA)" we must be, to them. They haven't > the "time" to give to their growing son, not even to enjoy the vast array > of adventures and activities offered to their son by BSA. They haven't > the "time" to attent Courts of Honor to witness their sons being > presented rank or other achievement (in exchange for the "talent" they've > demonstrated). They haven't the "time" to hike the Grand Canyon or camp > with their son on the Troop's annual family campout to learn of the > "tools" he uses to survive and enjoy his outings. Yet when that son gets > into some kind of discliplinary trouble in the Troop, guess who's the > first to arrive at the meeting? And guess who's he first to blame > everybody else but their own son? The parent who's MIA otherwise. I hope > (then again I don't, so it doesn't hit them like a ton of bricks) they > one day realize what an opportunity they wasted when their son gets > older. > > I'm taking a big leap here, but it's not hard for me to wonder how much > else (in the way of activities, perhaps school, and other means of > development) the parent is missing out either because of their careers, or > perhaps the parent is simply not interested like those certain parents who > have sons in my Troop. > > Parenting is not only instilling manners and discipline (which seems to > have taken a back seat because many parents find it easier to be their > kids' "best friend" and cave in rather than appear "mean" and put a foot > down on occasion), but also to provide involvement and encouragement for > development, at least the "tools" and "talent" aspects. Raising the child > to be a better, more capable person than the parent him/herself when the > child grows up, everything else still important but a lesser priority. > My opinion based on my own observations and philosophy, especially now > that I've joined the ranks of parenthood in our present day society. > > Off my soap box, as I'm speaking to the choir big time I'm sure! > > Speaking about Ham Radio now, kids lacking the "three T's" is one > impediment to getting them into our hobby, but another -- again, my > opinion -- is our present Ham community itself. Many of our own are > unwilling to offer the "three T's" to aspiring hams, new hams or kids. > Perhaps they themselves don't possess the "three T's" to become elmers. > > Susan Swiderski, Georgia's section manager, offered some food for > thought in one of her section columns: "Sure, it's always easier to > lament that ham radio can't compete with everything that is going on in > our children's lives; it is much harder to do something about it. So how > do you compete? Try a little magic. The same "magic" that got you > interested in ham radio is still magic; the only difference is that now it > is your turn to be the magician." > > Part of the problem may be the kids' lack of time, talent and tools. The > lion's share is our willingness as a Ham community to provide our time, > talent and tools if we are truly interested in recruiting our future. > Maybe easier said than done, but that's what it comes down to. > > 73, > Brian, N5ZGT > > On Mon, 1 Jan 2007 w3kd(a)aol.com wrote: > >> Some reflections on a New Years' Day (and I realize that I am outside my >> job description here): >> >> Before I was a ham, I was a "car guy" and still am, to some extent. My >> two favorite monthly publications are QST and Road and Track, in that >> order. In Road and Track, I like Peter Egan's column. He writes a folksy >> column every month, from his home in Wisconsin. He restored an E-type >> Jaguar, my favorite car ever, so I think very highly of him. >> >> I got back from Christmas vacation and found the attached article in my >> new Road & Track. I haven't any copyright authority to reprint this, so >> PLEASE don't send it anywhere, but I thought you would be interested in >> reading it; it has some strong parallels to Amateur Radio today. It is >> about soap box derby cars, and how there isn't enough of the three T's in >> kids today to build them the way they used to. The three Ts are "Time, >> Tools and Talent". >> >> This article really hit me. Two months ago, when I drove my son Ashton >> and his two friends home from a soccer game, one of the boys had an old >> BMW in the school parking lot. It was a real wreck, and when we got back, >> he realized that he had left the lights on in his car. I had jumper >> cables in my Tahoe, as I always do, so I knew this would be no problem at >> all, but I didn't say anything, because I wanted to see how the three >> boys, all smart prep school kids, would solve the problem, working >> together. They failed miserably. And I realized at that moment that I had >> failed as a parent, also, because all three boys, including my own, had >> no idea how to jump a battery, much less jump start a car! I had to >> explain the entire process to them, because their best plan was to call a >> tow truck. Since then, I have given Ashton a crash course (no pun >> intended) in auto mechanics. >> >> A few weeks ago, I was in Delaware at the Punkin Chunkin' competition, >> with the Sandy Spring Friends' School team. They had a trebouchet which >> launched a 5 pound pumpkin about 480 feet. The year before, the team >> (mostly different students) had built a very competitive one that >> launched the pumpkin about 690 feet. The students designed and built it. >> I talked to the Physics teacher most of the day, and he lamented that >> none of the kids knew how to use tools. They were OK at designing the >> device and calculating thrust, etc. using computers and formulas, but >> they couldn't build the darn thing because they didn't know how to use >> tools anymore. He had to coach them in the use of the tools. This was an >> extracurricular activity, but the "time" limitations were dealt with for >> this team by incorporating the design of the trebouchet in the applied >> physics class curriculum. >> >> Anyway, I am beginning to think that the problem that Amateur Radio has >> with growth, at least among young people, is due to the missing three Ts. >> Note that, in the attached article, the solution that the Soap Box Derby >> arrived at was to offer a car kit that can be assembled in 4 1/2 hours or >> less, because kids now don't have time for hobbies anymore, or a "slow, >> evolving craft project", and because suburban garages no longer have >> tools in them, or people who know how to use them. This seems their >> equivalent to our concern about "dumbing down" Amateur Radio. But it >> works for them, because it is a matter of survival, and they don't seem >> to have any other solutions. >> >> Perhaps there are other solutions for us, less drastic. >> >> 73, Chris W3KD >> ________________________________________________________________________ >> Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and >> security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from >> across the web, free AOL Mail and more. >> > > ARRL Vice-Director, Rocky Mountain Division

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[arrl-odv:15064] K1ZZ back home
by Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ 04 Jan '07

04 Jan '07

As Joel reported on New Year's Day, I have been away from home and generally out of email range since the day after Christmas. The good news is that Linda has an interesting new job. The bad news is that she is based in Sacramento. We left home mid-afternoon on Tuesday the 26th and drove there via the southern route (because of snow in the Rockies), arriving (3300 miles later) late on Friday the 29th. She took possession of her apartment on Saturday and we spent the New Year's weekend outfitting it, assembling furniture, etc. I flew home today (the 3rd) and will be in the office tomorrow. After weeding out the spam there are still several hundred emails awaiting attention, so please be patient while I get on top of them. On future visits to Sacramento I will have high-speed Internet access (and will not be driving there!), so this should not be a recurring problem. 73, Dave K1ZZ

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[arrl-odv:15063] Re: SWA Fares to Hartford
by Brian Mileshosky 03 Jan '07

03 Jan '07

Andy, looks like you beat me when considering miles-per-dollar. It must be "global warming"! 73, Brian, N5ZGT On Wed, 3 Jan 2007, Andy Oppel wrote: > Mine is $264 round-trip from Oakland, CA. I never gotten a fare to > Hartford this low before. In 2004, it cost over $400. Write that > one down -- seldom does the price of anything decline over time anymore. > > -- Andy, N6AJO > > At 12:59 PM 1/3/2007, w3kd(a)aol.com wrote: > >I beat you, Brian, but you got a good fare! Mine, on Southwest from > >Baltimore, with the security fees and all, $113.00. I can hardly > >drive that cheaply, really! I love Southwest. > > > >Chris W3KD > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: n5zgt(a)swcp.com > >To: arrl-odv(a)reflector.arrl.org > >Sent: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 2:20 PM > >Subject: [arrl-odv:15057] SWA Fares to Hartford > > > > > >If anyone is still looking for flights to the board meeting, I just > >booked my flight from Albuquerque to Hartford for $220. You might find > >similar fares on flights departing from your neck of the woods. > > > >73, > >Brian, N5ZGT > >ARRL Vice-Director, Rocky Mountain Division > > > > > > > >---------- > ><http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/1615326657x4311227241x4298082137/aol?redir=ht…>Check > >out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security > >tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across > >the web, free AOL Mail and more. > > Andy Oppel > andy(a)andyoppel.com > andy_oppel(a)alamedanet.net ARRL Vice-Director, Rocky Mountain Division

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[arrl-odv:15062] Re: SWA Fares to Hartford
by Andy Oppel 03 Jan '07

03 Jan '07

Mine is $264 round-trip from Oakland, CA. I never gotten a fare to Hartford this low before. In 2004, it cost over $400. Write that one down -- seldom does the price of anything decline over time anymore. -- Andy, N6AJO At 12:59 PM 1/3/2007, w3kd(a)aol.com wrote: >I beat you, Brian, but you got a good fare! Mine, on Southwest from >Baltimore, with the security fees and all, $113.00. I can hardly >drive that cheaply, really! I love Southwest. > >Chris W3KD > > >-----Original Message----- >From: n5zgt(a)swcp.com >To: arrl-odv(a)reflector.arrl.org >Sent: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 2:20 PM >Subject: [arrl-odv:15057] SWA Fares to Hartford > > >If anyone is still looking for flights to the board meeting, I just >booked my flight from Albuquerque to Hartford for $220. You might find >similar fares on flights departing from your neck of the woods. > >73, >Brian, N5ZGT >ARRL Vice-Director, Rocky Mountain Division > > > >---------- ><http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/1615326657x4311227241x4298082137/aol?redir=ht…>Check >out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security >tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across >the web, free AOL Mail and more. Andy Oppel andy(a)andyoppel.com andy_oppel(a)alamedanet.net

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[arrl-odv:15061] Re: SWA Fares to Hartford
by w3kd＠aol.com 03 Jan '07

03 Jan '07

Aye, Frank! Got to squeeze the nickel until the Buffalo poops. That's 4 memberships as it is! W3KD -----Original Message----- From: n2ff(a)optonline.net To: arrl-odv(a)reflector.arrl.org Cc: arrl-odv(a)reflector.arrl.org Sent: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 4:09 PM Subject: [arrl-odv:15060] Re: SWA Fares to Hartford Chris, It looks like you are flying on the Scotsman's Express. Do you have to come aboard playing the bagpipes and wearing your kilt? Frank....N2FF.... w3kd@a ol.com wrote: > I beat you, Brian, but you got a good fare! Mine, on Southwest from > Baltimore, with the security fees and all, $113.00. I can hardly drive > that cheaply, really! I love Southwest. > > Chris W3KD > > > -----Original Message----- > From: n5zgt(a)swcp.com > To: arrl-odv(a)reflector.arrl.org > Sent: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 2:20 PM > Subject: [arrl-odv:15057] SWA Fares to Hartford > >If anyone is still looking for flights to the board meeting, I just >booked my flight from Albuquerque to Hartford for $220. You might find >similar fares on flights departing from your neck of the woods. > >73, >Brian, N5ZGT >ARRL Vice-Director, Rocky Mountain Division > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *Check out the new AOL* > <http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/1615326657x4311227241x4298082137/aol?redir=ht…>. > Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access > to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail > and more. ________________________________________________________________________ Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more.

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