September 2005 - arrl-odv - reflector.arrl.org

[arrl-odv:13016] Re: test
by Bernard E. Fuller 08 Sep '05

08 Sep '05

yup, Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Edgar" <wedgar(a)verizon.net> To: "arrl-odv" <arrl-odv(a)reflector.arrl.org> Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 11:30 AM Subject: [arrl-odv:13014] test > Working? > > > >

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[arrl-odv:13015] Re: Membership info released to private company?
by Joel Harrison 08 Sep '05

08 Sep '05

Thanks info, Barry. Joel -----Original Message----- From: Shelley, Barry, N1VXY [mailto:bshelley@arrl.org] Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 10:08 AM To: arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:13012] Re: Membership info released to private company? Joel: I don't have any problem with changing our policy. I was just stating the current policy and how we've been operating. In practice, the number of times we may have sold our list to a company outside of the Amateur Radio industry in my experience is very limited. In fact, I can't come up with a specific name. And yes, our contract with US Bank specifies the confidentiality of our mailing list and prohibits them from using it for other purposes or selling it. And we can't use their confidential information we might gain through the relationship either. 73, Barry, N1VXY ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- From: Joel Harrison [mailto:w5zn@arrl.org] Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 10:06 AM To: arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:13010] Re: Membership info released to private company? Barry, It was my understanding we sold our membership list only to companies that provided amateur radio related products and services. From your statement below, that is not always the case. I don't like that idea and I believe it is BAD policy to sell or otherwise provide our mailing list to a non-amateur related company (actually I don't even like selling it to amateur related companies, but that is another topic) With all of the fraud that is occurring these days, I believe we should stop giving our lists to non-amateur companies, unless it is something like the credit card thing the board has approved (which I don't even like that) Do we have anything that says the credit card company is not permitted to pass our list on to others??? Joel -----Original Message----- From: Shelley, Barry, N1VXY [mailto:bshelley@arrl.org] Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 8:59 AM To: arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:13007] Re: Membership info released to private company? Greg: We did enter into a partnership with US Bank to offer an ARRL affinity credit card. This was reported in January and the debut of the card was at the National Convention. And, as you pointed out, we do benefit financially from our members applying for and using the card. As part of this partnership we provided US Bank with the names and addresses of those members who have not prohibited us from doing so. I view this as being no different than our long standing arrangement with Marsh Affinity Group Services for the ARRL Equipment Insurance Program. They've been sending solicitations to our members for over 20 years. In addition, we've always sold our mailing list of members' postal addresses to companies who requested it, with the caveat of the use of the addresses being "in good taste". Most have been Amateur Radio related but not all. As for our current policy (which is also pretty much unchanged over time), the following is excerpted from the "Privacy Policy" page of the ARRL web site: ".....User names, addresses (including email addresses) and other personal information shall not be supplied to any third party with the following exception: Lists of ARRL member names and postal mailing addresses (but not email addresses) may be supplied to third parties. Each member will be given the opportunity to opt out of such mailings when submitting a membership application (new or renewal). A member may opt out of such mailings at any time by contacting the ARRL Circulation Department. ....." I believe we give members the opportunity to opt out each time they join and/or renew. I hope this answers your questions. If not, please let me know. 73, Barry, N1VXY ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Greg Milnes [mailto:w7oz@comcast.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 5:11 PM To: arrl-odv Cc: arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:13004] Membership info released to private company? Jim I appreciate all the efforts that we're making in the Katrina situation but I'm upset in another area. I understand from two of our members that they received by snail mail FROM U.S. BANK directly, a solicitation for our ARRL affinity credit card. It was my understanding that we did not and would not release membership lists to private companies. Has this somehow changed? Did well sell our membership list to US BANK? Did we "give it away" with the excuse that it can benefit us financially through our cut in the action? What's going on here? 73/Greg W7OZ

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[arrl-odv:13014] test
by Bill Edgar 08 Sep '05

08 Sep '05

Working?

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[arrl-odv:13012] Re: Membership info released to private company?
by Shelley, Barry, N1VXY 08 Sep '05

08 Sep '05

Joel: I don't have any problem with changing our policy. I was just stating the current policy and how we've been operating. In practice, the number of times we may have sold our list to a company outside of the Amateur Radio industry in my experience is very limited. In fact, I can't come up with a specific name. And yes, our contract with US Bank specifies the confidentiality of our mailing list and prohibits them from using it for other purposes or selling it. And we can't use their confidential information we might gain through the relationship either. 73, Barry, N1VXY ________________________________ From: Joel Harrison [mailto:w5zn@arrl.org] Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 10:06 AM To: arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:13010] Re: Membership info released to private company? Barry, It was my understanding we sold our membership list only to companies that provided amateur radio related products and services. >From your statement below, that is not always the case. I don't like that idea and I believe it is BAD policy to sell or otherwise provide our mailing list to a non-amateur related company (actually I don't even like selling it to amateur related companies, but that is another topic) With all of the fraud that is occurring these days, I believe we should stop giving our lists to non-amateur companies, unless it is something like the credit card thing the board has approved (which I don't even like that) Do we have anything that says the credit card company is not permitted to pass our list on to others??? Joel -----Original Message----- From: Shelley, Barry, N1VXY [mailto:bshelley@arrl.org] Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 8:59 AM To: arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:13007] Re: Membership info released to private company? Greg: We did enter into a partnership with US Bank to offer an ARRL affinity credit card. This was reported in January and the debut of the card was at the National Convention. And, as you pointed out, we do benefit financially from our members applying for and using the card. As part of this partnership we provided US Bank with the names and addresses of those members who have not prohibited us from doing so. I view this as being no different than our long standing arrangement with Marsh Affinity Group Services for the ARRL Equipment Insurance Program. They've been sending solicitations to our members for over 20 years. In addition, we've always sold our mailing list of members' postal addresses to companies who requested it, with the caveat of the use of the addresses being "in good taste". Most have been Amateur Radio related but not all. As for our current policy (which is also pretty much unchanged over time), the following is excerpted from the "Privacy Policy" page of the ARRL web site: ".....User names, addresses (including email addresses) and other personal information shall not be supplied to any third party with the following exception: Lists of ARRL member names and postal mailing addresses (but not email addresses) may be supplied to third parties. Each member will be given the opportunity to opt out of such mailings when submitting a membership application (new or renewal). A member may opt out of such mailings at any time by contacting the ARRL Circulation Department <mailto:circulation@arrl.org> . ....." I believe we give members the opportunity to opt out each time they join and/or renew. I hope this answers your questions. If not, please let me know. 73, Barry, N1VXY ________________________________ From: Greg Milnes [mailto:w7oz@comcast.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 5:11 PM To: arrl-odv Cc: arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:13004] Membership info released to private company? Jim I appreciate all the efforts that we're making in the Katrina situation but I'm upset in another area. I understand from two of our members that they received by snail mail FROM U.S. BANK directly, a solicitation for our ARRL affinity credit card. It was my understanding that we did not and would not release membership lists to private companies. Has this somehow changed? Did well sell our membership list to US BANK? Did we "give it away" with the excuse that it can benefit us financially through our cut in the action? What's going on here? 73/Greg W7OZ

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[arrl-odv:13013] Re: Fwd: Fw: Hams and Katrina
by Kay Craigie 08 Sep '05

08 Sep '05

The Wall Street Journal hits -- two articles in the A section of the paper and one mention in another story -- came directly as a result of the efforts of ARRL member Joe Ames W3JY from Delaware County, PA. He has some contacts at the paper from a previous era in his professional life. Joe called me, I put him in touch with Allen Pitts, and they took it from there. 73 - Kay N3KN

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[arrl-odv:13011] Fwd: Fw: Hams and Katrina
by BFITPC＠aol.com 08 Sep '05

08 Sep '05

This was pretty good, sent by our friend Clay Freinwald in Washington State. Chris

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[arrl-odv:13010] Re: Membership info released to private company?
by Joel Harrison 08 Sep '05

08 Sep '05

Barry, It was my understanding we sold our membership list only to companies that provided amateur radio related products and services. >From your statement below, that is not always the case. I don't like that idea and I believe it is BAD policy to sell or otherwise provide our mailing list to a non-amateur related company (actually I don't even like selling it to amateur related companies, but that is another topic) With all of the fraud that is occurring these days, I believe we should stop giving our lists to non-amateur companies, unless it is something like the credit card thing the board has approved (which I don't even like that) Do we have anything that says the credit card company is not permitted to pass our list on to others??? Joel -----Original Message----- From: Shelley, Barry, N1VXY [mailto:bshelley@arrl.org] Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 8:59 AM To: arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:13007] Re: Membership info released to private company? Greg: We did enter into a partnership with US Bank to offer an ARRL affinity credit card. This was reported in January and the debut of the card was at the National Convention. And, as you pointed out, we do benefit financially from our members applying for and using the card. As part of this partnership we provided US Bank with the names and addresses of those members who have not prohibited us from doing so. I view this as being no different than our long standing arrangement with Marsh Affinity Group Services for the ARRL Equipment Insurance Program. They've been sending solicitations to our members for over 20 years. In addition, we've always sold our mailing list of members' postal addresses to companies who requested it, with the caveat of the use of the addresses being "in good taste". Most have been Amateur Radio related but not all. As for our current policy (which is also pretty much unchanged over time), the following is excerpted from the "Privacy Policy" page of the ARRL web site: ".....User names, addresses (including email addresses) and other personal information shall not be supplied to any third party with the following exception: Lists of ARRL member names and postal mailing addresses (but not email addresses) may be supplied to third parties. Each member will be given the opportunity to opt out of such mailings when submitting a membership application (new or renewal). A member may opt out of such mailings at any time by contacting the ARRL Circulation Department. ....." I believe we give members the opportunity to opt out each time they join and/or renew. I hope this answers your questions. If not, please let me know. 73, Barry, N1VXY ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- From: Greg Milnes [mailto:w7oz@comcast.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 5:11 PM To: arrl-odv Cc: arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:13004] Membership info released to private company? Jim I appreciate all the efforts that we're making in the Katrina situation but I'm upset in another area. I understand from two of our members that they received by snail mail FROM U.S. BANK directly, a solicitation for our ARRL affinity credit card. It was my understanding that we did not and would not release membership lists to private companies. Has this somehow changed? Did well sell our membership list to US BANK? Did we "give it away" with the excuse that it can benefit us financially through our cut in the action? What's going on here? 73/Greg W7OZ

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[arrl-odv:13007] Re: Membership info released to private company?
by Shelley, Barry, N1VXY 08 Sep '05

08 Sep '05

Greg: We did enter into a partnership with US Bank to offer an ARRL affinity credit card. This was reported in January and the debut of the card was at the National Convention. And, as you pointed out, we do benefit financially from our members applying for and using the card. As part of this partnership we provided US Bank with the names and addresses of those members who have not prohibited us from doing so. I view this as being no different than our long standing arrangement with Marsh Affinity Group Services for the ARRL Equipment Insurance Program. They've been sending solicitations to our members for over 20 years. In addition, we've always sold our mailing list of members' postal addresses to companies who requested it, with the caveat of the use of the addresses being "in good taste". Most have been Amateur Radio related but not all. As for our current policy (which is also pretty much unchanged over time), the following is excerpted from the "Privacy Policy" page of the ARRL web site: ".....User names, addresses (including email addresses) and other personal information shall not be supplied to any third party with the following exception: Lists of ARRL member names and postal mailing addresses (but not email addresses) may be supplied to third parties. Each member will be given the opportunity to opt out of such mailings when submitting a membership application (new or renewal). A member may opt out of such mailings at any time by contacting the ARRL Circulation Department <mailto:circulation@arrl.org> . ....." I believe we give members the opportunity to opt out each time they join and/or renew. I hope this answers your questions. If not, please let me know. 73, Barry, N1VXY ________________________________ From: Greg Milnes [mailto:w7oz@comcast.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 5:11 PM To: arrl-odv Cc: arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:13004] Membership info released to private company? Jim I appreciate all the efforts that we're making in the Katrina situation but I'm upset in another area. I understand from two of our members that they received by snail mail FROM U.S. BANK directly, a solicitation for our ARRL affinity credit card. It was my understanding that we did not and would not release membership lists to private companies. Has this somehow changed? Did well sell our membership list to US BANK? Did we "give it away" with the excuse that it can benefit us financially through our cut in the action? What's going on here? 73/Greg W7OZ

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[arrl-odv:13009] Re: Membership info released to private company?
by Joel Harrison 08 Sep '05

08 Sep '05

Greg, All I can tell you is from my personal experience that members are "automatically" signed up for "amateur related" solicitations unless they specifically indicate they don't want to receive them. I complained about this a couple of years ago when things started arriving here. I asked Dave or Barry about it and I was told the above protocol. For my Family members annual renewal, I started seeing a box to check to stop these, but as a Life Member I did not know such a box existed, or that I had been automatically signed up for such. I have stopped mine. I fight solicitations aggressively here, as I personally don't like them and I'm to the point where I don't receive any (no credit card solicitations, etc) here. My opinion is a person should have to indicate they want such things, not whether they do not want them but hey, if I were a marketing person I probably would think differently ! 73 Joel W5ZN -----Original Message----- From: Greg Milnes [mailto:w7oz@comcast.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 4:11 PM To: arrl-odv Cc: arrl-odv(a)arrl.org Subject: [arrl-odv:13004] Membership info released to private company? Jim I appreciate all the efforts that we're making in the Katrina situation but I'm upset in another area. I understand from two of our members that they received by snail mail FROM U.S. BANK directly, a solicitation for our ARRL affinity credit card. It was my understanding that we did not and would not release membership lists to private companies. Has this somehow changed? Did well sell our membership list to US BANK? Did we "give it away" with the excuse that it can benefit us financially through our cut in the action? What's going on here? 73/Greg W7OZ

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[arrl-odv:13008] Re: Information!!
by Henry R. Leggette 08 Sep '05

08 Sep '05

Hi Harold, I located a retiree from FedEx who is a ham and he maybe able to get us around all the red tape. He wants to go directly to a Vice President or to PR; however, he needs some data. How many packages do you need to ship, weight of each, contents, dimension of each package. Also the To address and the From address will be needed. Will this be a one time shipment or what? It appears to be plenty red tape at FedEx. I am sure it is almost like the federal government or anyway FAA. 73, Henry R. Leggette, WD4Q Vice Director, Delta Division ARRL (901) 757-0444

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