May 2005 - arrl-odv - reflector.arrl.org

[arrl-odv:12254] Bandwidth Information
by k8je＠earthlink.net Mail Account 03 May '05

03 May '05

Kay, You are correct regarding the number of members who would have received the information. Now, l would like to ask how much you would like to bet that 75% of these actually read and digested the notice? How much on the number who went to the FAQ, and read and digested it? Like it or not, a high percentage of people skim over information sent to them. This is a fact that is well known by commercial and non-commercial ad folks. This, of course is the reason ads are run again and again ad nauseum. Jim W

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[arrl-odv:12253] Re: Bandplan Proposal & Marketing
by Kay Craigie 03 May '05

03 May '05

The ARRL Letter, whose April 15 edition contained a story and the URL to the FAQ's on the proposal, went to over 65,000 members. That's not a trivial percentage of the membership. I am curious about the fact that the Division-wide e-mail bulletin capability has been used in only one Division (if I'm reading the stats correctly) to provide facts to members about the proposal via text bulletins or direct URL's to relevant pages on the ARRL web site. Regardless of one's opinion about entering the thread wars on QRZ, et al., we do have this unused capability to reach members and counterbalance the misinformation and distortions that they may be reading in the threads, rants, blogs, soapboxes, and other fertilizer bins. 73 - Kay N3KN

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Donor Reception in Dayton
by Richard J. Norton 03 May '05

03 May '05

I do not expect to arrive in Dayton until later, Thursday night. Consequently, I will not be able to make the reception. 73, Dick Norton, N6AA On 5/3/05, Hobart, Mary K1MMH <mhobart(a)arrl.org> wrote: > Good afternoon, > > We are putting the finishing touches on plans for the 2005 Donor Reception at Wright State University on Thursday evening, May 19. I've reviewed the guest list which has now reached 96 donors, guests and Board members....the biggest reception we've thus far! > > If you have not yet responded, please let us know this week if you will join us, if you will bring a guest, and if you will need transportation to and from the event via motor coach. > > Thank you. > > 73, > > Mary K1MMH >

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[arrl-odv:12251] Re: Donor Reception in Dayton
by Hobart, Mary K1MMH 03 May '05

03 May '05

Good afternoon, We are putting the finishing touches on plans for the 2005 Donor Reception at Wright State University on Thursday evening, May 19. I've reviewed the guest list which has now reached 96 donors, guests and Board members....the biggest reception we've thus far! If you have not yet responded, please let us know this week if you will join us, if you will bring a guest, and if you will need transportation to and from the event via motor coach. Thank you. 73, Mary K1MMH

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[arrl-odv:12250] Re: Bandplan Proposal & Marketing
by Andy Oppel 03 May '05

03 May '05

It must have been those sedatives in the local water supply... At 09:09 AM 5/3/2005, you wrote: > Frank: > >I bet that was refreshing! > ><<The event was attended by 80 plus members and significant others. It was >a nice evening. And....no one had a thing to say about regulation by >bandwidth.>> > >Nobody had anything to say? No complaints? And I thought that some Dirs >think we are not doing such a poor job communicating. Hum..... I'll have >to go ponder. > >73, >K5UR > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Frank Fallon - N2FF <n2ff(a)optonline.net> >To: arrl-odv <arrl-odv(a)reflector.arrl.org> >Sent: Tue, 03 May 2005 11:53:05 +0000 >Subject: [arrl-odv:12244] Re: Bandplan Proposal & Marketing > >I think Dick has it right here. While we don't have to wade in and fight >the suckers, we do have to answer or parry some of the misinformation. If >we retreat to the bunker, we are going to loose on this one. > >As distasteful as it might be, we have to do it. > >As other have pointed out previously, we need to explain convincingly the >reasons why we are doing this. > >BTW: I drove 412 miles yesterday to attend the seventy-fifth anniversary >dinner of the Schenectady Amateur Radio Association. (That's about as far >as I can go in this division, but I only do it once in seventy-five >years.) This is the club that gave us the money for the Broughton >Scholarship. The event was attended by 80 plus members and significant >others. It was a nice evening. And....no one had a thing to say about >regulation by bandwidth. That is both significant and refr! eshing. > >Frank...N2FF..... > ><mailto:dick%40pobox.com>dick(a)pobox.com wrote: > > 2 MAY, 2005 - 1505 CST > > > Hello Joel... > > > Perhaps you call it a disagreement... maybe it is, or maybe it's a > > difference in perception. I do not propose that we enter into active > > reflector exchanges with these folks. However, I think it's a very > > good idea to spread the unbiased facts by posting FAQs to as many ham > > radio reflectors as possible. With embedded references to more > > information on the ARRL web site, those with open minds will do the > > research. To limit dissemination of the facts to only ARRL outlets is > > to limit our out-reach to a great number of hams. > > > Yes, we will receive some BS emails from the venomous few. That's what > > our email trash bins are for. However, if I recei! ve thoughtful comments > > or honest questions from some peo ple - in the Central division - I will > > then respond to them. > > > There is no way in hell I'm going to take on parrying all the angry BS > > on a public, or even a closed, Internet reflector. I admire Jim > > Haynie's efforts in this regard over the past several years. In my > pre-ARRL > > official past, I've been there, done that, and don't have the tee shirt > > to prove it. :) > > > 73 - Dick, W9GIG > > > > >

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[arrl-odv:12249] Re: Bandplan Proposal & Marketing
by Jim Fenstermaker, K9JF 03 May '05

03 May '05

Ladies and Gentlemen, So, I hear there is a controversy about the ARRL band plan and digital modes. Boy, "THEY" are doing "IT" to us again? Let's see, there was incentive licensing, no code, and now "THIS." I whip to the ARRL web site to see what is up. Alas, I don't see anything on the home page...no article, no FAQ, no nothing. Egad, "THEY" must be trying to hide something. Maybe the ARRL vile on the QRZ.com is not altogether false. But, I am an ARRL supporter. And, being a resourceful guy, I finally locate the search area and type in some words. With the term, bandwidth, I finally get a page showing the results of the search and come up with the FAQ link. I wonder if the ordinary ham will go this far or am I missing a critical element on our home page? - (Editorial Remark) BTW, I remember seeing something in QST a year or so ago, but I just glanced through the magazine and threw it on the heap of other magazines to really read someday. Where was that antenna article I remember from 73 Magazine? Oh yes, there it is on top of the QSTs and CQs. I really should sort the dang magazines so I can find something when I need it. What about the nets that I like...county hunters on 40 cw, FISTS on 40 and others. Looks like the 3 KHz proposal might cause a lot of QRM. Why oh why are THEY doing this to us? We have been here for a long time...before these digital modes! Fellow Board Members...these are the things I hear when I visit clubs and hamfests. Although there aren't many comments, we need all the friends we can get (or keep) right now. 73 Jim K9JF VD - Northwestern Division

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[arrl-odv:12248] Re: Bandplan Proposal & Marketing
by dick＠pobox.com 03 May '05

03 May '05

3 MAY, 2005 - 1310 CDT Here is another twist on the comments I am receiving. This one is from a strong ARRL supporter. - Dick, W9GIG ======================================================================== From: "William Aspinwall" <billw9ugt(a)earthlink.net> To: w9gig(a)arrl.org Subject: Hold up on WinLink expansion request - Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 00:20:41 -0500 OM, I am interested in setting up on WinLink to handle e-mail while travelling in my RV. From my reading of QST articles it seems that the message formats/settings are causing users to step on their own toes. I don't believe that allowing more band space will solve the current problem without causing problems for other users. Any decision on expansion should be withheld until a fair hearing is given to all users. 73' Bill Aspinwall billw9ugt(a)earthlink.net ========================================================================= Delivered-To: dick(a)pobox.com Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 13:03:29 -0500 To: Bill Aspinwall W9UGT <billw9ugt(a)earthlink.net> From: dick(a)pobox.com Subject: Re: Hold up on WinLink expansion request - Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed 3 MAY, 2005 - 1300 CDT William H Aspinwall, W9UGT P.O. Box 261 Lodi, WI 53555-0261 Dear Mr. Aspinwall... Thank you for your comment, which is a bit unusual since it comes from an RV user that I would expect to support WinLink 2000. The ARRL proposal to regulate HF sub-bands by signal bandwidth has nothing to do with supporting or suppressing WinLink expansion. The purposes for the ARRL proposal are to rationalize the use of amateur radio spectrum in the face of growing digital signal use and to enable the amateur radio community to be able to accommodate to technology change without having to take many years and dollars to obtain FCC approval. It so happens that WinLink use would be allowed in more parts of our HF bands if the ARRL proposal were to be eventually be approved intact by the FCC. Other 3 KHz wide digital communications systems would probably also appear. However this approval (in any form) will probably take several years, based on the speed of response by the FCC to two other filed ARRL petitions: Novice Sub-Band Re-Farming and License Restructuring. If our proposal was already before the FCC, I doubt if it would be approved as it now stands because of numerous negative comments arising from the entire amateur radio community. As of this date, we have not done a thorough job in getting out information on, and the rationale for, this proposal. This is my personal view, not an ARRL board view. 73 - George R. Isely, W9GIG ARRL Central Div. Director w9gig(a)arrl.org dick(a)pobox.com

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[arrl-odv:12247] Re: Bandplan Proposal & Marketing
by dick＠pobox.com 03 May '05

03 May '05

3 MAY, 2005 - 1230 CST This morning I received an email from a Central Division ham who has not been an ARRL member since 1979. He is 70 years old according to ARRL records. This person asked me to vote NO on any proposal that includes automatic or semi-automatic forwarding on the HF bands. This tells me he has picked up on the anti-Winlink comments but does not even know that both forms of digital message forwarding are already legal (with restrictions) on HF. His message is EXACTLY why we must be very pro-active and post FAQs with links to specific parts of the ARRL web site that discuss our proposal in great detail on non-ARRL outlets. If we fail to do this, I see no reason to file our petition with the FCC and then get buried under an avalanche of negative emails and Comments to the FCC from both our members and non-members which would probably result in this petition being turned down by the Commission. Strange as it seems, I'm willing to bet that the lack of comments and questions at the Schenectady Amateur Radio Association celebration is because very few people in that group have yet to hear about our proposal, either pro or con. Of course it would be great if they all know and understand all the details of our proposal and therefore support it... But I doubt if this is the case. - Dick, W9GIG

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[arrl-odv:12246] Re: Bandplan Proposal & Marketing
by k5ur＠aol.com 03 May '05

03 May '05

Frank: I bet that was refreshing! <<The event was attended by 80 plus members and significant others. It was a nice evening. And....no one had a thing to say about regulation by bandwidth.>> Nobody had anything to say? No complaints? And I thought that some Dirs think we are not doing such a poor job communicating. Hum..... I'll have to go ponder. 73, K5UR -----Original Message----- From: Frank Fallon - N2FF <n2ff(a)optonline.net> To: arrl-odv <arrl-odv(a)reflector.arrl.org> Sent: Tue, 03 May 2005 11:53:05 +0000 Subject: [arrl-odv:12244] Re: Bandplan Proposal & Marketing I think Dick has it right here. While we don't have to wade in and fight the suckers, we do have to answer or parry some of the misinformation. If we retreat to the bunker, we are going to loose on this one. As distasteful as it might be, we have to do it. As other have pointed out previously, we need to explain convincingly the reasons why we are doing this. BTW: I drove 412 miles yesterday to attend the seventy-fifth anniversary dinner of the Schenectady Amateur Radio Association. (That's about as far as I can go in this division, but I only do it once in seventy-five years.) This is the club that gave us the money for the Broughton Scholarship. The event was attended by 80 plus members and significant others. It was a nice evening. And....no one had a thing to say about regulation by bandwidth. That is both significant and refreshing. Frank...N2FF..... dick(a)pobox.com wrote: > 2 MAY, 2005 - 1505 CST > > Hello Joel... > > Perhaps you call it a disagreement... maybe it is, or maybe it's a > difference in perception. I do not propose that we enter into active > reflector exchanges with these folks. However, I think it's a very > good idea to spread the unbiased facts by posting FAQs to as many ham > radio reflectors as possible. With embedded references to more > information on the ARRL web site, those with open minds will do the > research. To limit dissemination of the facts to only ARRL outlets is > to limit our out-reach to a great number of hams. > > Yes, we will receive some BS emails from the venomous few. That's what > our email trash bins are for. However, if I receive thoughtful comments > or honest questions from some people - in the Central division - I will > then respond to them. > > There is no way in hell I'm going to take on parrying all the angry BS > on a public, or even a closed, Internet reflector. I admire Jim > Haynie's efforts in this regard over the past several years. In my > pre-ARRL > official past, I've been there, done that, and don't have the tee shirt > to prove it. :) > > 73 - Dick, W9GIG > > > >

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[arrl-odv:12245] Re: Bandplan Proposal & Marketing
by Frank Fallon - N2FF 03 May '05

03 May '05

Rick, If we retreat to the bunker the organization is going to have a big problem here. We don't have to wade in and do hand to hand combat here but we do have to maintain some visibility on the issue. We make a big mistake if we assume that our members read everything in QST or on our great web site. We never know where they do or don't get their information. I don't think we need a sacrificial point man on which the QRZ flame throwers can exhaust their arrows. (Rick, I have this picture of Jim with arrows sticking out of him. Ugh!) Frank ...... N2FF....

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