July 2004 - arrl-odv - reflector.arrl.org

[ARRL-ODV:10995] Re: ARES COPYRIGHT
by Art Goddard 25 Jul '04

25 Jul '04

Jim, I have one "unfavorable" message, from a REACT person. Maybe he's just being REACTionary. I'm sure Chris (who authored the motion) can shed some light on the questions being raised. 73, Art W6XD ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim K8JE" <K8JE(a)arrl.org> To: "arrl-odv" <arrl-odv(a)reflector.arrl.org> Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 3:19 PM Subject: [ARRL-ODV:10987] ARES COPYRIGHT > Is anyone else getting flack over the motion we passed about ARES, > displaying the copyright mark and ownership of materials? I'm getting > it from some very hotheaded folks around Lexington, KY who appear to > have gotten each other into a feeding frenzy. > > I'm considering driving down there to meet with them and am just > wondering if I'm the only person lucky enough to have a fomenting > revolution at hand. Other than this hot spot, I've fielded a couple of > benign, curiosity-stimulated questions as to "why now?" from outside of > KY. > > Tnx > > Jim Weaver, K8JE > Director, Great Lakes Division ARRL > 5065 Bethany Rd., Mason, OH 45040 > Tel.: 513-459-0142; E-mail: k8je(a)arrl.org > ARRL: The reason Amateur Radio Is! > MEMBERS: The reason ARRL Is! > >

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[ARRL-ODV:10994] Re: ARES Copyright/Trademark
by dick＠pobox.com 25 Jul '04

25 Jul '04

25 JUL, 2004 - 1500 CDT I'm sure one or more of the attorneys on this reflector will provide in depth discussion about defending materials that are either copyrighted or trademarked. The basic element is defend it or lose it. Over the years, ARRL has been very sloppy in this regard and we are now belatedly realizing that we must take a more proactive stance. Jim Weaver asks if there are any other pockets of discontent in other divisions over our latest pronouncement. So far I have received only one curious question, but I expect there will be some flack coming from one or two ARES organizations in Wisconsin that have been using this term in their official club name. One of them has asked for ARRL affiliation and their application is on hold until this issue is resolved. I expect this will be a hot issue for a few of the emergency communications groups around the country, but I expect the majority of the hams will not pay any attention since it does not concern them. 73 - Dick, W9GIG

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[ARRL-ODV:10991] Re: ARES COPYRIGHT
by n5ok.ok＠att.net 25 Jul '04

25 Jul '04

Jim, As I said before, I've had a few questions. So far they aren't too up in arms. Coy -- ARRL West Gulf Division Director Coy Day, N5OK 20685 SW 29th St Union City, OK 73090-9726 n5ok(a)arrl.org 405-483-5632 -------------- Original message from "Jim K8JE" : -------------- Is anyone else getting flack over the motion we passed about ARES, displaying the copyright mark and ownership of materials? Im getting it from some very hotheaded folks around Lexington, KY who appear to have gotten each other into a feeding frenzy. Im considering driving down there to meet with them and am just wondering if Im the only person lucky enough to have a fomenting revolution at hand. Other than this hot spot, Ive fielded a couple of benign, curiosity-stimulated questions as to why now? from outside of KY. Tnx Jim Weaver, K8JE Director, Great Lakes Division ARRL 5065 Bethany Rd., Mason, OH 45040 Tel.: 513-459-0142; E-mail: k8je(a)arrl.org ARRL: The reason Amateur Radio Is! MEMBERS: The reason ARRL Is!

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[ARRL-ODV:10990] The Trademark
by Andy Oppel 25 Jul '04

25 Jul '04

I think it would be useful if we had legal staff publish some guidelines for the use of that trademark. When I worked at Levi Strauss & Co., they had such a document to guide people on what practices had to be followed so that the trademark was not compromised. Apparently, if you publish the trademark without the trademark symbol, the courts can rule that you no longer own it because you did not identify it as a trademark. However, I don't know how much that applies to internal e-mails. At Levi's, we were permitted to write "Levi's" without the symbol in internal documents, but anytime it appeared a product or anything printed externally, the mark had to be there. The other question is whether we trade-marked the name or just the logo for that program. By the way, you'll notice I have avoided naming the program (the one about amateur emergency services). I use Eudora as an e-mail client and have not, as yet, been able to get it to insert the trademark symbol into a note. The ASCII code numbers -- when you hold down the Alt key and type numbers does not work, nor does copying and pasting the symbol from Microsoft Word. SO, if we really have to put that symbol on the name of that program every time we use it (which seems extreme to me), it looks like I can only do so using Microsoft Word attachments. By the way, Levi's had a trademark on that little tab that is sewn into the back pocket of their pants. To protect their trademark, they sometimes made them different sizes and colors, and once in a while did some without the Levi's name on them (just the tab with the trademark symbol). I remember the attorneys telling us that if you always produce the item that is trademarked in exactly the same way, others can skirt the law by slightly altering the item. I'd sure like to hear something more solid on this, particularly on whether they trade-marked the name as well as the logo. -- Andy Oppel, N6AJO Andy Oppel andy(a)andyoppel.com andy_oppel(a)earthlink.net andy_oppel(a)comcast.net

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[ARRL-ODV:10989] Re: ARES COPYRIGHT
by Andy Oppel 25 Jul '04

25 Jul '04

Just ask them if they'd mind if it appeared on a T-shirt that promoted BPL. Without registering it as a trademark, we have very thin legal protection. (At least Lexington is pretty country... I went to college there). -- Andy Oppel, N6AJO At 03:19 PM 7/25/2004, you wrote: >Is anyone else getting flack over the motion we passed about ARES, >displaying the copyright mark and ownership of materials? I'm getting it >from some very hotheaded folks around Lexington, KY who appear to have >gotten each other into a feeding frenzy. > >I'm considering driving down there to meet with them and am just wondering >if I'm the only person lucky enough to have a fomenting revolution at >hand. Other than this hot spot, I've fielded a couple of benign, >curiosity-stimulated questions as to "why now?" from outside of KY. > >Tnx > >Jim Weaver, K8JE >Director, Great Lakes Division ARRL >5065 Bethany Rd., Mason, OH 45040 >Tel.: 513-459-0142; E-mail: <mailto:k8je@arrl.org>k8je(a)arrl.org >ARRL: The reason Amateur Radio Is! >MEMBERS: The reason ARRL Is! >

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[ARRL-ODV:10988] Re: McGann Award
by Andy Oppel 25 Jul '04

25 Jul '04

Definitely disgruntled. Ever notice that we never use the word "gruntled" (to make happy) and only the negative form "disgruntled". I guess "gruntled" doesn't sound happy. -- Andy Oppel, N6AJO At 04:24 AM 7/25/2004, you wrote: > I think he is unhappy about NOT winning 73 Sandy, W4RU >----- Original Message ----- >From: <mailto:nz6t@arrl.org>Tuck Miller >To: <mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org>arrl-odv >Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2004 10:57 PM >Subject: [ARRL-ODV:10979] McGann Award > >I gather this guy is not happy about winning.......... > >Subj: Re: [arrl_prez] Club News > > > Date: 7/23/2004 10:43:30 PM Eastern Standard Time > > > > > > > From: <mailto:leewalt@powerbank.net>leewalt(a)powerbank.net > > > Reply-to: <mailto:arrl_prez@yahoogroups.com>arrl_prez(a)yahoogroups.com > > > To: <mailto:arrl_prez@yahoogroups.com>arrl_prez(a)yahoogroups.com > > > Sent from the Internet (Details) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If the silver antenna award is to go to someone ³who demonstrates > > > outstanding public relations success², I say something stinks here ! I got > > > Paul Harvey to talk about ham radio on his news program for one minute and > > > four seconds, the arrl could NEVER buy that kind of time and when I called > > > his office they told me he talks to 42 MILLOIN people every day. WHO had > > > MORE outstanding success than that ? > >************************************************ > >ARRL > >The national association for Amateur Radio > >Remember, Helping Others....Always Worthwhile!! > >Southwestern Division Vice Director > >Are you a member yet? If not, please join! > >Check out the Convention web site at: > >http://www.hamradio2004.com/swdc2004/ > >Personal Web Page: http://www.qsl.net/nz6t >

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[ARRL-ODV:10985] Re: McGann Award
by Tuck Miller 25 Jul '04

25 Jul '04

Yes, I should re-word this.... I gather this guy is upset that he did not win the award. From: Tuck Miller [mailto:nz6t@arrl.org] Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2004 7:58 PM To: arrl-odv Subject: [ARRL-ODV:10979] McGann Award I gather this guy is not happy about winning.......... Subj: Re: [arrl_prez] Club News > Date: 7/23/2004 10:43:30 PM Eastern Standard Time > From: leewalt(a)powerbank.net > Reply-to: arrl_prez(a)yahoogroups.com > To: arrl_prez(a)yahoogroups.com > Sent from the Internet (Details) > > > > > > If the silver antenna award is to go to someone ³who demonstrates > outstanding public relations success², I say something stinks here ! I got > Paul Harvey to talk about ham radio on his news program for one minute and > four seconds, the arrl could NEVER buy that kind of time and when I called > his office they told me he talks to 42 MILLOIN people every day. WHO had > MORE outstanding success than that ? ************************************************ARRLThe national association for Amateur Radio Remember, Helping Others....Always Worthwhile!!Southwestern Division Vice DirectorAre you a member yet? If not, please join!Check out the Convention web site at:http://www.hamradio2004.com/swdc2004/Personal Web Page: http://www.qsl.net/nz6t

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[ARRL-ODV:10984] Re: McGann Award
by Tuck Miller 25 Jul '04

25 Jul '04

lol, yep, that is what I meant to type....... -----Original Message----- From: Sandy Donahue [mailto:w4ru@bellsouth.net] Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 4:24 AM To: arrl-odv Subject: [ARRL-ODV:10980] Re: McGann Award I think he is unhappy about NOT winning 73 Sandy, W4RU ----- Original Message ----- From: Tuck Miller To: arrl-odv Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2004 10:57 PM Subject: [ARRL-ODV:10979] McGann Award I gather this guy is not happy about winning.......... Subj: Re: [arrl_prez] Club News > Date: 7/23/2004 10:43:30 PM Eastern Standard Time > From: leewalt(a)powerbank.net > Reply-to: arrl_prez(a)yahoogroups.com > To: arrl_prez(a)yahoogroups.com > Sent from the Internet (Details) > > > > > > If the silver antenna award is to go to someone ³who demonstrates > outstanding public relations success², I say something stinks here ! I got > Paul Harvey to talk about ham radio on his news program for one minute and > four seconds, the arrl could NEVER buy that kind of time and when I called > his office they told me he talks to 42 MILLOIN people every day. WHO had > MORE outstanding success than that ? ************************************************ARRLThe national association for Amateur Radio Remember, Helping Others....Always Worthwhile!!Southwestern Division Vice DirectorAre you a member yet? If not, please join!Check out the Convention web site at:http://www.hamradio2004.com/swdc2004/Personal Web Page: http://www.qsl.net/nz6t

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[ARRL-ODV:10983] Re: McGann Award
by Art Goddard 25 Jul '04

25 Jul '04

Unhhh, shouldn't that be arrl®prez@ ? I know, I know... just kidding 73, Art ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joel Harrison" <w5zn(a)arrl.org> To: "arrl-odv" <arrl-odv(a)reflector.arrl.org> Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 5:13 AM Subject: [ARRL-ODV:10981] Re: McGann Award > What kind of an email reflector is "arrl_prez(a)yahoogroups.com" > > Is that set up by the President or something related to the press?? > > Never heard of that....is that something we set up or is it a renegade > arrangement?? > > Joel > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tuck Miller [mailto:nz6t@arrl.org] > Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2004 9:58 PM > To: arrl-odv > Subject: [ARRL-ODV:10979] McGann Award > > > I gather this guy is not happy about winning.......... > > Subj: Re: [arrl_prez] Club News > > > Date: 7/23/2004 10:43:30 PM Eastern Standard Time > > > > > > > From: leewalt(a)powerbank.net > > > Reply-to: arrl_prez(a)yahoogroups.com > > > To: arrl_prez(a)yahoogroups.com > > > Sent from the Internet (Details) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If the silver antenna award is to go to someone ³who demonstrates > > > outstanding public relations success², I say something stinks here ! I > got > > > Paul Harvey to talk about ham radio on his news program for one minute > and > > > four seconds, the arrl could NEVER buy that kind of time and when I > called > > > his office they told me he talks to 42 MILLOIN people every day. WHO > had > > > MORE outstanding success than that ? > > > ************************************************ARRLThe national association > for Amateur Radio Remember, Helping Others....Always > Worthwhile!!Southwestern Division Vice DirectorAre you a member yet? If not, > please join!Check out the Convention web site > at:http://www.hamradio2004.com/swdc2004/Personal Web Page: > http://www.qsl.net/nz6t >

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[ARRL-ODV:10982] FW: [Moon-net] UHF:My first echo on 47 GHz July 24 2004
by Joel Harrison 25 Jul '04

25 Jul '04

FYI - first 47 GHz EME echoes heard by Sergei. The first ever 47 GHz contact shouldn't be too far away, 6 other stations around the world and in the U.S. are working with Sergei. 73 Joel W5ZN -----Original Message----- From: moon-net-bounces(a)list-serv.davidv.net [mailto:moon-net-bounces@list-serv.davidv.net]On Behalf Of Sergei RW3BP Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 3:44 AM To: moon-net(a)list-serv.davidv.net Subject: [Moon-net] UHF:My first echo on 47 GHz July 24 2004 Hello everyone Yesterday I got my first echo on 47 GHz. I started test at 15.40 UTC when the moon came to limited sector of my dish (moon az 192.0 el 23.6). Very soon I found my echo (thanks to F2TU - his EME Doppler programm is working fine). Echo was weak but visible on Spectran as a cloud one second long and 300 Hz wide. Moon noise was 0.4 dB and falled to 0.2 dB at 18 degrees of elevation when I lost my echo and then lost the moon. Signal was highly diffused by doppler smear and atmosphere turbulence. It was hot and very high humidity. Rig: Dish - 2.4m offset partially illuminated by W2IMU horn (equal to 1.8m) Rx - 12dB LNA + OE9PMJ filter + shottky diode mixer. NF 4.8 dB Tx - TWT , output power more then 100W 73 Sergei RW3BP _______________________________________________ Moon-Net posting and subscription instructions are at http://www.nlsa.com/nets/moon-net-help.html

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