June 2004 - arrl-odv - reflector.arrl.org

[ARRL-ODV:10785] Very Informative Anti-BPL Web Site
by dick＠pobox.com 27 Jun '04

27 Jun '04

26 JUN, 2004 - 2220 CDT I came home from our local radio club's Field Day site this evening to find a message in my email in-box giving me the following URL: http://www.gobpl.com/ I just finished looking at this very slickly executed anti-BPL web site. It probably does not contain much information that you have not already read. But it's very well organized and presented. I recommend this web site to anyone who wants to quickly learn about the multitude of problems inherent in the BPL technology being pushed by the FCC and its corporate enthusiasts. 73 - Dick, W9GIG

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[ARRL-ODV:10783] Rejoinder to UPLC
by Kay Craigie 26 Jun '04

26 Jun '04

Nick Roscoe N3NR (ARRL member from Glen Mills, PA) sent the following message to the PR dweeb for the UPLC. He posted it on the reflector of a contest club I belong to. It's a good read. 73 - Kay N3KN -----Original Message----- Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 11:01 PM To: mary.patterson(a)utc.org Subject: [FRC] Re: UPLC Sets the Record Straight on BPL Interference Dear Ms. Patterson, As a practicing RF design engineer with experience in the design of terrestrial military radio and RADAR systems, military space communication and navigation systems, and NASA space communication systems, as well as a licensed amateur radio operator, I would like to take exception to several statements in your organization's press release dated June 22, 2004 titled "UPLC Sets the Record Straight on BPL Interference". In paragraph three of the above referenced press release your organization made the following statement: "UPLC also commented on amateur radio opposition to the technology, urging the Commission to ignore "armchair amateurs that still use vacuum tube transmitters" and listen to the reputable companies and entrepreneurs who are the real experts on BPL and who have overcome enormous technical obstacles to make BPL a reality in the U.S." I would like to bring to your attention the fact that many currently fielded military radio and RADAR systems, as well as several military satellite systems, still employ various vacuum tube technologies. These include systems in the HF frequency range as well as the EHF and SHF frequency ranges. In fact, vacuum tube technology is still the most cost effective means to develop the required high radio frequency power levels that allows these systems to operate. Companies who have fielded vacuum technology in recent years include such names as Northrop Grumman, Lockheed Martin, L3 Communications, The Boeing Company, Rockwell Collins, Harris Corporation, ITT Industries, and Raytheon. While your organization may be of the opinion that there is little competent technical expertise in the amateur radio community I would suggest that the same statement cannot be made for the numerous highly competent engineers that have and currently are working for the aforementioned reputable companies. Your organization is mistaken if it is trying to equate vacuum tube technology with out-of-date technology. It is also a great mistake to underestimate the technical capability of the amateur radio community. Also in paragraph three of the above referenced press release your organization states "All the field trials over the years in various parts of the country have shown that the risk of interference from BPL is extraordinarily low, because it produces only minimal radio frequency energy at a few points in the system. Moreover, these systems will incorporate adaptive interference mitigation capabilities that will effectively remedy any interference that might result to fixed and mobile operations in the High Frequency (HF) band (1.7-80 MHz)." This is clearly an erroneous statement. I would refer you, as an example, to the current state of BPL system trials in the Cedar Rapids, Iowa area where amateur radio operators have documented high levels of interference from a system fielded by Alliant Energy. For over a month now Alliant Energy, in conjunction with the BPL equipment provider Amperion, has been trying to employ adaptive interference mitigation techniques without success. For further information I would refer you to the following web link: http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2004/06/15/2/?nc=1 Additionally, while your organization claims that BPL systems only produce minimal radio frequency energy at a few points in the BPL system, I would note that it only takes a few RF sources to turn the whole system into a RF radiator. This phenomena has been noted in the NTIA's April 2004 Phase 1 Report on Potential Interference From BPL Systems to Federal Government Radiocommunications. Finally I would like to note that the amateur radio community in certainly not opposed to BPL technology per se. Our community is opposed to poorly designed systems that operate in the congested HF radio spectrum. BPL systems that operate in the middle microwave bands (such as S Band or C Band) that employ techniques that excite surface waves along power line media are a viable alternative to HF systems with regard to both technological considerations and economic considerations. Sincerely, Nicholas P. Roscoe, Jr. (amateur radio licensee N3NR) Senior RF Design Engineer Northrop Grumman Electronic Systems High Power RF/Power Generation Systems -- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com) Version: 7.0.253 / Virus Database: 263.3.6 - Release Date: 6/25/2004

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[ARRL-ODV:10782] Re: UPLC's BPL Assininity
by Jim K8JE 26 Jun '04

26 Jun '04

I'm not certain whether it ought to be called "pounding" the BS. Regardless of whether one pounds it or just lets it flow, it smells the same! Jim Weaver, K8JE Director, Great Lakes Division ARRL ARRL, The reason Amateur Radio Is! -----Original Message----- From: Joel Harrison [mailto:w5zn@arrl.org] Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 5:42 PM To: arrl-odv Subject: [ARRL-ODV:10781] Re: UPLC's BPL Assininity Kay - That's the best suggestion I heard all day. Jay - I thought when lawyers had neither the law or facts with them they pounded the BS ?? 73 Joel W5ZN 2A AR -----Original Message----- From: Kay Craigie [mailto:wt3p@comcast.net] Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 8:00 PM To: arrl-odv Subject: [ARRL-ODV:10780] Re: UPLC's BPL Assininity Jay wrote: "When the law is with you pound on the law, when the facts are with you pound on the facts, when NEITHER the law or facts are with you pound on the table." How about these guys go pound sand? 73 - Kay N3KN

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[ARRL-ODV:10784] FD
by Bruce Frahm K0BJ 26 Jun '04

26 Jun '04

Look for W0WOB 2A KS I'll be mostly cw Worked an N7/p last night using 2W and driven el. of a wire beam. His club has use of a decommissioned fire lookout nr. Mt. Hood and will be K7AW in FD. Sounds like FUN -- y'all do the same. 73

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[ARRL-ODV:10781] Re: UPLC's BPL Assininity
by Joel Harrison 26 Jun '04

26 Jun '04

Kay - That's the best suggestion I heard all day. Jay - I thought when lawyers had neither the law or facts with them they pounded the BS ?? 73 Joel W5ZN 2A AR -----Original Message----- From: Kay Craigie [mailto:wt3p@comcast.net] Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 8:00 PM To: arrl-odv Subject: [ARRL-ODV:10780] Re: UPLC's BPL Assininity Jay wrote: "When the law is with you pound on the law, when the facts are with you pound on the facts, when NEITHER the law or facts are with you pound on the table." How about these guys go pound sand? 73 - Kay N3KN

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[ARRL-ODV:10780] Re: UPLC's BPL Assininity
by Kay Craigie 26 Jun '04

26 Jun '04

Jay wrote: "When the law is with you pound on the law, when the facts are with you pound on the facts, when NEITHER the law or facts are with you pound on the table." How about these guys go pound sand? 73 - Kay N3KN

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[ARRL-ODV:10779] Re: UPLC's BPL Assininity
by JBellows 26 Jun '04

26 Jun '04

Remember the old legal saw -- "When the law is with you pound on the law, when the facts are with you pound on the facts, when NEITHER the law or facts are with you pound on the table." Jay -----Original Message----- From: dick(a)pobox.com [mailto:dick@pobox.com] Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 2:52 PM To: arrl-odv Subject: [ARRL-ODV:10771] UPLC's BPL Assininity 25 JUN, 2004 - 1440 CDT The United Power Line Council (UPLC) has filed it's BPL reply comments. Below is the UPLC URL page that describes in this organizations' own words what it thinks about Amateur Radio and the other groups that are opposing the FCC's BPL proposal. http://www.uplc.org/?cbr_v=dcb&nt=true&cbr_eid=25276&p=admin&ct=contentb rowser Excerpted Quote: "UPLC also commented on amateur radio opposition to the technology, urging the Commission to ignore 'armchair amateurs that still use vacuum tube transmitters' and listen to the reputable companies and entrepreneurs who are the real experts on BPL..." What a bunch of unmitigated, ignorant, self-seeking, lying, BS! Happy Field Day everyone... 73 - Dick, W9GIG

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[ARRL-ODV:10778] Re: UPLC's BPL Assininity
by Wade Walstrom 25 Jun '04

25 Jun '04

Dick, don't try to sugar coat it, tell us what you really think! 73, Wade W0EJ dick(a)pobox.com wrote: > 25 JUN, 2004 - 1440 CDT > > The United Power Line Council (UPLC) has filed it's BPL reply comments. > Below is the UPLC URL page that describes in this organizations' own > words what it thinks about Amateur Radio and the other groups that are > opposing the FCC's BPL proposal. > > http://www.uplc.org/?cbr_v=dcb&nt=true&cbr_eid=25276&p=admin&ct=contentbrow… > > Excerpted Quote: > > "UPLC also commented on amateur radio opposition to the technology, urging > the Commission to ignore 'armchair amateurs that still use vacuum tube > transmitters' and listen to the reputable companies and entrepreneurs who > are the real experts on BPL..." > > What a bunch of unmitigated, ignorant, self-seeking, lying, BS! > > Happy Field Day everyone... > > 73 - Dick, W9GIG

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[ARRL-ODV:10777] Re: Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 15:15:18 -0400
by Joel Harrison 25 Jun '04

25 Jun '04

We'll be on the lookout for fried chicken.....but in the mess tent, not on the bands!! If you work W5ZN Saturday night, I'll more than likely be at the rig. I'll be on CW through the night with K5UZ and my old Novice buddy WB5FDP. One the operating highlights of the year for me is to team up with him agn & burn up the airways! 73 Joel W5ZN 2A AR -----Original Message----- From: W5JBP(a)aol.com [mailto:W5JBP@aol.com] Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 3:46 PM To: arrl-odv Subject: [ARRL-ODV:10774] Re: Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 15:15:18 -0400 Well, look for W5FC as well. Whisky five Fried Chicken. Jim Haynie

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[ARRL-ODV:10776] Re: Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 15:15:18 -0400
by Tuck Miller 25 Jun '04

25 Jun '04

I will be operating 40 meters with the Amateur Radio Club of El Cajon, probably in the evening hours. Will see how many broadcasters I can dodge. Call will be WA6BGS (Big Green Spider) It is usually a 6 or 7A station. We will be operating in the beautiful Laguna Mountains. Have fun all. 73, Tuck NZ6T -----Original Message----- From: dick(a)pobox.com [mailto:dick@pobox.com] Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 12:57 PM To: arrl-odv Subject: [ARRL-ODV:10772] Re: Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 15:15:18 -0400 25 JUN, 2004 - 1550 CDT I will be participating in Field Day with the Fox River Radio League at Jericho Lake Park just southwest of Aurora, IL. The FRRL will be operating 5-A plus a GOTA and satellite stations. Call signs are W9CEQ and W9NE for the GOTA station. 73 - Dick, W9GIG

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