[arrl-odv:32700] Fwd: ARLB021 FCC Application Fees Unlikely to Go into Effect Until 2022
The below came out from the ARRL this morning, and inquiring minds want to know: Does anybody know what happens to the $35 sent in for vanity callsign applications that are denied? Is there still a mechanism still in place for those to apply for reimbursement? Some people apply for 1X2 or 2X1 callsigns where there is competition for those callsign. If the call(s) they want goes to somebody else they have to keep trying for new available callsigns and paying the $35 fees for each application until they win one. Will they be able to apply to get their money back for the ones they lose out on, (as it was before), or does the FCC now get to keep the money? 73; Mike w7VO
---------- Original Message ---------- From: ARRL Web site <memberlist@www.arrl.org> To: w7vo@comcast.net Date: 08/17/2021 9:47 AM Subject: ARLB021 FCC Application Fees Unlikely to Go into Effect Until 2022
SB QST @ ARL $ARLB021 ARLB021 FCC Application Fees Unlikely to Go into Effect Until 2022
ZCZC AG21 QST de W1AW ARRL Bulletin 21 ARLB021 From ARRL Headquarters Newington CT August 17, 2021 To all radio amateurs
SB QST ARL ARLB021 ARLB021 FCC Application Fees Unlikely to Go into Effect Until 2022
The schedule of FCC amateur radio application fees likely will not go into effect before 2022. FCC staff confirmed during a recent virtual meeting with Volunteer Examiner Coordinators (VECs) that the agency is still working on the necessary changes to the Universal Licensing System (ULS) software and other processes and procedures that must be in place before it starts collecting fees from amateur applicants. Earlier this year, the FCC said it would not start collecting fees from amateur applicants before this Summer. The new estimate is that the fees won't go into effect until early next year.
Once it's effective, the $35 application fee will apply to new, modification (upgrade and sequential call sign change), renewal, and vanity call sign applications. All fees will be per application. Administrative update applications, such as those to change a licensee's name, mailing, or email address, will be exempt from fees. ARRL VEC manager Maria Somma, AB1FM, said Volunteer Examiner (VE) teams will not face the burden of collecting the $35 fee.
"Once the FCC application fee takes effect, new and upgrade applicants will pay the exam session fee to the VE team as usual, but they'll pay the $35 application fee directly to the FCC using the FCC Pay Fees system," she explained. When the FCC receives the examination information from the VEC, it will email a link with payment instructions to each successful candidate who then will have 10 days from the date of the email to pay.
The FCC Pay Fees system can be accessed at, https://apps2.fcc.gov/Batch_Filer/login.cfm .
After the fee is paid and the FCC has processed an application, examinees will receive a second email from the FCC with a link to their official license. The link will be good for 30 days. Licensees also will be able to view, download, and print official license copies by logging into their FCC ULS account. The FCC no longer provides printed licenses.
Licensees can log into the ULS with their 10-digit FRN (FCC Registration Number) and password at any time to view and manage their license and application, print their license, and update anything in their FCC license record, including adding an email address.
FEE SCHEDULE:
INDIVIDUALS -
$35 FEE: New, modification (upgrade and sequential call sign change), renewal, and vanity call sign applications. All fees will be per application.
NO FEE: Administrative updates, such as a change of name, mailing or email address, or license cancellation.
AMATEUR RADIO CLUBS -
$35 FEE: New, renewal, trustee change, and vanity call sign applications. All fees will be per application.
NO FEE: Administrative updates, such as a change of name, mailing or email address, or license cancellation. NNNN /EX
That’s a good question but not uncharted territory. When we had the $20 vanity fee, was it collected if you were unsuccessful? That may be the same scenario. 73 Ria N2RJ/W4 On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 2:36 PM Michael Ritz <w7vo@comcast.net> wrote:
The below came out from the ARRL this morning, and inquiring minds want to know:
Does anybody know what happens to the $35 sent in for vanity callsign applications that are denied? Is there still a mechanism still in place for those to apply for reimbursement?
Some people apply for 1X2 or 2X1 callsigns where there is competition for those callsign. If the call(s) they want goes to somebody else they have to keep trying for new available callsigns and paying the $35 fees for each application until they win one. Will they be able to apply to get their money back for the ones they lose out on, (as it was before), or does the FCC now get to keep the money?
73; Mike w7VO
---------- Original Message ---------- From: ARRL Web site <memberlist@www.arrl.org> To: w7vo@comcast.net Date: 08/17/2021 9:47 AM Subject: ARLB021 FCC Application Fees Unlikely to Go into Effect Until 2022
SB QST @ ARL $ARLB021 ARLB021 FCC Application Fees Unlikely to Go into Effect Until 2022
ZCZC AG21 QST de W1AW ARRL Bulletin 21 ARLB021 From ARRL Headquarters Newington CT August 17, 2021 To all radio amateurs
SB QST ARL ARLB021 ARLB021 FCC Application Fees Unlikely to Go into Effect Until 2022
The schedule of FCC amateur radio application fees likely will not go into effect before 2022. FCC staff confirmed during a recent virtual meeting with Volunteer Examiner Coordinators (VECs) that the agency is still working on the necessary changes to the Universal Licensing System (ULS) software and other processes and procedures that must be in place before it starts collecting fees from amateur applicants. Earlier this year, the FCC said it would not start collecting fees from amateur applicants before this Summer. The new estimate is that the fees won't go into effect until early next year.
Once it's effective, the $35 application fee will apply to new, modification (upgrade and sequential call sign change), renewal, and vanity call sign applications. All fees will be per application. Administrative update applications, such as those to change a licensee's name, mailing, or email address, will be exempt from fees. ARRL VEC manager Maria Somma, AB1FM, said Volunteer Examiner (VE) teams will not face the burden of collecting the $35 fee.
"Once the FCC application fee takes effect, new and upgrade applicants will pay the exam session fee to the VE team as usual, but they'll pay the $35 application fee directly to the FCC using the FCC Pay Fees system," she explained. When the FCC receives the examination information from the VEC, it will email a link with payment instructions to each successful candidate who then will have 10 days from the date of the email to pay.
The FCC Pay Fees system can be accessed at, https://apps2.fcc.gov/Batch_Filer/login.cfm .
After the fee is paid and the FCC has processed an application, examinees will receive a second email from the FCC with a link to their official license. The link will be good for 30 days. Licensees also will be able to view, download, and print official license copies by logging into their FCC ULS account. The FCC no longer provides printed licenses.
Licensees can log into the ULS with their 10-digit FRN (FCC Registration Number) and password at any time to view and manage their license and application, print their license, and update anything in their FCC license record, including adding an email address.
FEE SCHEDULE:
INDIVIDUALS -
$35 FEE: New, modification (upgrade and sequential call sign change), renewal, and vanity call sign applications. All fees will be per application.
NO FEE: Administrative updates, such as a change of name, mailing or email address, or license cancellation.
AMATEUR RADIO CLUBS -
$35 FEE: New, renewal, trustee change, and vanity call sign applications. All fees will be per application.
NO FEE: Administrative updates, such as a change of name, mailing or email address, or license cancellation. NNNN /EX
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It was refundable if you were unsuccessful. Another form, several weeks wait… The way I understand this is that the fee will only be presented to the applicant if the license is otherwise ready to issue. That way=, there’s no refunds. This is “word of mouth” from another VEC. Maria Somma is the ultimate authority at ARRL. -- Mickey Baker Director, Southeastern Division ARRL Phone (561) 320-2775 Email: n4mb@arrl.org From: arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org> on behalf of rjairam@gmail.com <rjairam@gmail.com> Date: Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 2:50 PM To: Ritz, Mike, W7VO, (Dir, NW) <w7vo@comcast.net> Cc: arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> Subject: [arrl-odv:32701] Re: Fwd: ARLB021 FCC Application Fees Unlikely to Go into Effect Until 2022 That’s a good question but not uncharted territory. When we had the $20 vanity fee, was it collected if you were unsuccessful? That may be the same scenario. 73 Ria N2RJ/W4 On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 2:36 PM Michael Ritz <w7vo@comcast.net<mailto:w7vo@comcast.net>> wrote: The below came out from the ARRL this morning, and inquiring minds want to know: Does anybody know what happens to the $35 sent in for vanity callsign applications that are denied? Is there still a mechanism still in place for those to apply for reimbursement? Some people apply for 1X2 or 2X1 callsigns where there is competition for those callsign. If the call(s) they want goes to somebody else they have to keep trying for new available callsigns and paying the $35 fees for each application until they win one. Will they be able to apply to get their money back for the ones they lose out on, (as it was before), or does the FCC now get to keep the money? 73; Mike w7VO
---------- Original Message ---------- From: ARRL Web site <memberlist@www.arrl.org<mailto:memberlist@www.arrl.org>> To: w7vo@comcast.net<mailto:w7vo@comcast.net> Date: 08/17/2021 9:47 AM Subject: ARLB021 FCC Application Fees Unlikely to Go into Effect Until 2022
SB QST @ ARL $ARLB021 ARLB021 FCC Application Fees Unlikely to Go into Effect Until 2022
ZCZC AG21 QST de W1AW ARRL Bulletin 21 ARLB021 From ARRL Headquarters Newington CT August 17, 2021 To all radio amateurs
SB QST ARL ARLB021 ARLB021 FCC Application Fees Unlikely to Go into Effect Until 2022
The schedule of FCC amateur radio application fees likely will not go into effect before 2022. FCC staff confirmed during a recent virtual meeting with Volunteer Examiner Coordinators (VECs) that the agency is still working on the necessary changes to the Universal Licensing System (ULS) software and other processes and procedures that must be in place before it starts collecting fees from amateur applicants. Earlier this year, the FCC said it would not start collecting fees from amateur applicants before this Summer. The new estimate is that the fees won't go into effect until early next year.
Once it's effective, the $35 application fee will apply to new, modification (upgrade and sequential call sign change), renewal, and vanity call sign applications. All fees will be per application. Administrative update applications, such as those to change a licensee's name, mailing, or email address, will be exempt from fees. ARRL VEC manager Maria Somma, AB1FM, said Volunteer Examiner (VE) teams will not face the burden of collecting the $35 fee.
"Once the FCC application fee takes effect, new and upgrade applicants will pay the exam session fee to the VE team as usual, but they'll pay the $35 application fee directly to the FCC using the FCC Pay Fees system," she explained. When the FCC receives the examination information from the VEC, it will email a link with payment instructions to each successful candidate who then will have 10 days from the date of the email to pay.
The FCC Pay Fees system can be accessed at, https://apps2.fcc.gov/Batch_Filer/login.cfm .
After the fee is paid and the FCC has processed an application, examinees will receive a second email from the FCC with a link to their official license. The link will be good for 30 days. Licensees also will be able to view, download, and print official license copies by logging into their FCC ULS account. The FCC no longer provides printed licenses.
Licensees can log into the ULS with their 10-digit FRN (FCC Registration Number) and password at any time to view and manage their license and application, print their license, and update anything in their FCC license record, including adding an email address.
FEE SCHEDULE:
INDIVIDUALS -
$35 FEE: New, modification (upgrade and sequential call sign change), renewal, and vanity call sign applications. All fees will be per application.
NO FEE: Administrative updates, such as a change of name, mailing or email address, or license cancellation.
AMATEUR RADIO CLUBS -
$35 FEE: New, renewal, trustee change, and vanity call sign applications. All fees will be per application.
NO FEE: Administrative updates, such as a change of name, mailing or email address, or license cancellation. NNNN /EX
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When I first moved from CA to OR in 2007 I wanted to trade in my old 6 land call for a 7 land call, so I had to try to win one of the "FCC Callsign Lotteries". It took seven attempts with different callsigns until I finally "won" my present call. The FCC charged me $20 (in advance), for each attempt, successful or not, so it ended up actually costing me $140 for this callsign. (But worth it!) ;-) I could have asked for a refunds for each those failed attempts, but my understanding was that it was not an easy process, nor necessarily timely in actually getting your money back. At the time I was working and making good money so it wasn't worth $20 of my time to deal with it. The FCC got some extra revenue out of my failed attempts, but I'm sure there are many others that are not so fortunate though. I have posed the question to Maria. I'll let you know what I find out. 73; Mike W7VO On 08/17/2021 2:25 PM Baker, Mickey, N4MB (Dir, SE) <mbaker@arrl.org> wrote:
It was refundable if you were unsuccessful. Another form, several weeks wait…
The way I understand this is that the fee will only be presented to the applicant if the license is otherwise ready to issue. That way=, there’s no refunds.
This is “word of mouth” from another VEC. Maria Somma is the ultimate authority at ARRL.
--
Mickey Baker
Director, Southeastern Division
ARRL
Phone (561) 320-2775
Email: n4mb@arrl.org
From: arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org> on behalf of rjairam@gmail.com <rjairam@gmail.com> Date: Tuesday, August 17, 2021 at 2:50 PM To: Ritz, Mike, W7VO, (Dir, NW) <w7vo@comcast.net> Cc: arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> Subject: [arrl-odv:32701] Re: Fwd: ARLB021 FCC Application Fees Unlikely to Go into Effect Until 2022
That’s a good question but not uncharted territory.
When we had the $20 vanity fee, was it collected if you were unsuccessful? That may be the same scenario.
73
Ria
N2RJ/W4
On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 2:36 PM Michael Ritz <w7vo@comcast.net mailto:w7vo@comcast.net > wrote:
> >
The below came out from the ARRL this morning, and inquiring minds want to know:
Does anybody know what happens to the $35 sent in for vanity callsign applications that are denied? Is there still a mechanism still in place for those to apply for reimbursement?
Some people apply for 1X2 or 2X1 callsigns where there is competition for those callsign. If the call(s) they want goes to somebody else they have to keep trying for new available callsigns and paying the $35 fees for each application until they win one. Will they be able to apply to get their money back for the ones they lose out on, (as it was before), or does the FCC now get to keep the money?
73; Mike w7VO
> ---------- Original Message ---------- > From: ARRL Web site <memberlist@www.arrl.org mailto:memberlist@www.arrl.org > > To: w7vo@comcast.net mailto:w7vo@comcast.net > Date: 08/17/2021 9:47 AM > Subject: ARLB021 FCC Application Fees Unlikely to Go into Effect Until 2022 > > > SB QST @ ARL $ARLB021 > ARLB021 FCC Application Fees Unlikely to Go into Effect Until 2022 > > ZCZC AG21 > QST de W1AW > ARRL Bulletin 21 ARLB021 > From ARRL Headquarters > Newington CT August 17, 2021 > To all radio amateurs > > SB QST ARL ARLB021 > ARLB021 FCC Application Fees Unlikely to Go into Effect Until 2022 > > The schedule of FCC amateur radio application fees likely will not > go into effect before 2022. FCC staff confirmed during a recent > virtual meeting with Volunteer Examiner Coordinators (VECs) that the > agency is still working on the necessary changes to the Universal > Licensing System (ULS) software and other processes and procedures > that must be in place before it starts collecting fees from amateur > applicants. Earlier this year, the FCC said it would not start > collecting fees from amateur applicants before this Summer. The new > estimate is that the fees won't go into effect until early next > year. > > Once it's effective, the $35 application fee will apply to new, > modification (upgrade and sequential call sign change), renewal, and > vanity call sign applications. All fees will be per application. > Administrative update applications, such as those to change a > licensee's name, mailing, or email address, will be exempt from > fees. ARRL VEC manager Maria Somma, AB1FM, said Volunteer Examiner > (VE) teams will not face the burden of collecting the $35 fee. > > "Once the FCC application fee takes effect, new and upgrade > applicants will pay the exam session fee to the VE team as usual, > but they'll pay the $35 application fee directly to the FCC using > the FCC Pay Fees system," she explained. When the FCC receives the > examination information from the VEC, it will email a link with > payment instructions to each successful candidate who then will have > 10 days from the date of the email to pay. > > The FCC Pay Fees system can be accessed at, > https://apps2.fcc.gov/Batch_Filer/login.cfm . > > After the fee is paid and the FCC has processed an application, > examinees will receive a second email from the FCC with a link to > their official license. The link will be good for 30 days. Licensees > also will be able to view, download, and print official license > copies by logging into their FCC ULS account. The FCC no longer > provides printed licenses. > > Licensees can log into the ULS with their 10-digit FRN (FCC > Registration Number) and password at any time to view and manage > their license and application, print their license, and update > anything in their FCC license record, including adding an email > address. > > FEE SCHEDULE: > > INDIVIDUALS - > > $35 FEE: New, modification (upgrade and sequential call sign > change), renewal, and vanity call sign applications. All fees will > be per application. > > NO FEE: Administrative updates, such as a change of name, mailing or > email address, or license cancellation. > > AMATEUR RADIO CLUBS - > > $35 FEE: New, renewal, trustee change, and vanity call sign > applications. All fees will be per application. > > NO FEE: Administrative updates, such as a change of name, mailing or > email address, or license cancellation. > NNNN > /EX _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv
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