[arrl-odv:24864] Update on WRC-19 agenda items
In an all-night Plenary meeting that was extraordinary for many reasons beyond the fact that it lasted all night, it became apparent that a space operations service item made the WRC-19 agenda, but some confusion reigned about what bands were actually in play in the end. I am happy to report that the Editorial Committee (the last step before final adoption) has just cleared a Resolution limiting the scope of the agenda item to 150.05-174 MHz and 400.15-420 MHz. Nothing is ever final at a WRC until it clears two readings at Plenary, but something almost unprecedented would have to happen for this outcome to change at this point. IARU Vice President Ole Garpestad, LA2RR, and former IARU Region 1 President Hans Blondeel Timmerman, PB2T, led the effort to minimize the impact of an agenda item that at one point during the Conference included the whole of our 144-148 MHz and 420-450 MHz allocations within its contemplated scope. With their leadership, we were able to persuade those making the final decision that the normalization of patently non-amateur ventures operating in amateur bands is untenable. Things looked really bleak on this for a little while, with Dave appropriately referring to the matter as "Son of Little LEO". We're incredibly relieved. The agenda for WRC-19 still presents challenges. Our 5.7 GHz band is within the range under consideration for global harmonization of RLANs in the mobile service, and our allocations at 47-47.2 GHz and 81-81.5 GHz (allocated by footnote in the ITU Radio Regulations, but not domestically) have been identified for study for implementation of 5G IMT. Our efforts on that front start on Monday, when the first CPM for WRC-19 convenes. This WRC is now working overtime to complete its work by tomorrow's scheduled closing ceremony. We were supposed to be done by noon. We will be lucky to conclude by 5. Happy Thanksgiving, all. Brennan T. Price, N4QX Chief Technology Officer American Radio Relay League PO Box 3470 Oakton VA 22124-9470 Tel +1 860 594-0247 ________________________________________ From: arrl-odv [arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org] on behalf of Price, Brennan, N4QX Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 17:02 To: Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ; Lisenco, Mike (DIR, Hudson); arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:24863] Re: WRC-15 update The proceedings on the WRC-19 agenda are not efficiently progressing. At this stage, the three most likely outcomes on the Space Operations Service item are: 1) Removal of the 420-450 MHz band from consideration at WRC-19, 2) Retention of the 420-450 MHz band for further consideration, but not until WRC-23, and 3) Removal of the 420-450 MHz band from consideration, AND deferral until 2023. That's two out of three clear wins, and a third outcome to which my wife's philosophy of litigation would apply: Justice delayed is justice. This is unlikely to be resolved until tomorrow Geneva time. We have moved on to IMT in the UHF television band. That this is now considered a simpler topic than the WRC-19 agenda speaks volumes about how complex the future agenda is. Brennan T. Price, N4QX Chief Technology Officer American Radio Relay League PO Box 3470 Oakton VA 22124-9470 Tel +1 860 594-0247 ________________________________________ From: Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 12:00 To: Price, Brennan, N4QX; Lisenco, Mike (DIR, Hudson); arrl-odv Subject: RE: [arrl-odv:24859] Re: WRC-15 update Brennan is closer to the action so I will defer to his slightly more cautious characterization of the state of play on 420-450 MHz being included in the space operations service agenda item (which is itself, as of earlier today, not absolutely certain of inclusion in the WRC-19 agenda). Either way, we will soon know. Dave -----Original Message----- From: arrl-odv [mailto:arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org] On Behalf Of Price, Brennan, N4QX Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 11:57 AM To: Lisenco, Mike (DIR, Hudson); arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:24859] Re: WRC-15 update Mike, I should have done a better job differentiating the two classes of defensive items. The agenda for each WRC is set by the previous WRC. In addition to dealing with the existing agenda, we are in the final stages of setting the 2019 agenda. The 2015 items are on their way to satisfactory conclusions. The space ops item is contemplated for 2019, and we have been trying to minimize or eliminate our exposure. This item for 2019 is still in flux, and I can't report responsibly on a likely outcome at this time. I can report that we've been working closely with DOD and other friendly interests to get 420-450 excluded, and have some hope, but no certainty, of success. --Brennan Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the Verizon Wireless 4G LTE network. Original Message From: Lisenco, Mike (DIR, Hudson) Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 17:44 To: Price, Brennan, N4QX; arrl-odv Subject: Re: [arrl-odv:24855] WRC-15 update Brennan, Thanks for the update. I wonder if you could address a point you made in your previous update to the ODV. In [arrl-odv:24843], you mention in point #2 that the 70 cm band may be in jeopardy due to "(C)onsideration of new space operations service allocations for commercial small satellites at VHF and UHF." Furthermore you say that while "our 2 meter allocation seems to be safe, but 70 cm may be affected," Could you please clarify this? You say in your current email that "all of the defensive items " you've faced have "either been resolved satisfactorily or are irreversibly on their way to that state." Does that include the issue of 70 cm? As you know, the 70 cm band is critical to our members. 73, Mike - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mike Lisenco, N2YBB Director, Hudson Division ARRL - The national association for Amateur Radio™ 917-865-3538 n2ybb@arrl.org -----Original Message----- From: Price, Brennan, N4QX Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 10:04 AM To: arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:24855] WRC-15 update We are at most twenty hours away from the end of substantive proceedings at WRC-15, and all of the defensive items we have faced at this conference have either been resolved satisfactorily or are irreversibly on their way to that state. Within the last hour, several items for the WRC-19 agenda were formally approved. Among them is an effort to globally harmonize the 50-54 MHz allocation to the amateur service, and it appears this item will come first on the agenda, being numbered 1.1. Not that the numbering makes the work required any easier, but those that made the decision apparently did so consciously and with positive sentiment. We will likely face several defensive items on the WRC-19 agenda, all of which remain to be finalized. The IARU team remaining here has worked hard to minimize the potential impact. I will report further when the outcome is clearer. 73 de Brennan HB9/N4QX Brennan T. Price, N4QX Chief Technology Officer American Radio Relay League PO Box 3470 Oakton VA 22124-9470 Tel +1 860 594-0247 _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv
Brennan, Thanks from all of us for your diligent work on this. It's a nice Thanksgiving present to hear that some challenges are off the table for the next WRC. Especial thanks for spending today working for us, when I'm sure you'd much rather be home with your family on Thanksgiving. 73, Greg, K0GW On Thu, Nov 26, 2015 at 6:51 AM, Price, Brennan, N4QX <bprice@arrl.org> wrote:
In an all-night Plenary meeting that was extraordinary for many reasons beyond the fact that it lasted all night, it became apparent that a space operations service item made the WRC-19 agenda, but some confusion reigned about what bands were actually in play in the end.
I am happy to report that the Editorial Committee (the last step before final adoption) has just cleared a Resolution limiting the scope of the agenda item to 150.05-174 MHz and 400.15-420 MHz. Nothing is ever final at a WRC until it clears two readings at Plenary, but something almost unprecedented would have to happen for this outcome to change at this point.
IARU Vice President Ole Garpestad, LA2RR, and former IARU Region 1 President Hans Blondeel Timmerman, PB2T, led the effort to minimize the impact of an agenda item that at one point during the Conference included the whole of our 144-148 MHz and 420-450 MHz allocations within its contemplated scope. With their leadership, we were able to persuade those making the final decision that the normalization of patently non-amateur ventures operating in amateur bands is untenable.
Things looked really bleak on this for a little while, with Dave appropriately referring to the matter as "Son of Little LEO". We're incredibly relieved.
The agenda for WRC-19 still presents challenges. Our 5.7 GHz band is within the range under consideration for global harmonization of RLANs in the mobile service, and our allocations at 47-47.2 GHz and 81-81.5 GHz (allocated by footnote in the ITU Radio Regulations, but not domestically) have been identified for study for implementation of 5G IMT. Our efforts on that front start on Monday, when the first CPM for WRC-19 convenes.
This WRC is now working overtime to complete its work by tomorrow's scheduled closing ceremony. We were supposed to be done by noon. We will be lucky to conclude by 5.
Happy Thanksgiving, all.
Brennan T. Price, N4QX Chief Technology Officer American Radio Relay League PO Box 3470 Oakton VA 22124-9470 Tel +1 860 594-0247
________________________________________ From: arrl-odv [arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org] on behalf of Price, Brennan, N4QX Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 17:02 To: Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ; Lisenco, Mike (DIR, Hudson); arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:24863] Re: WRC-15 update
The proceedings on the WRC-19 agenda are not efficiently progressing.
At this stage, the three most likely outcomes on the Space Operations Service item are:
1) Removal of the 420-450 MHz band from consideration at WRC-19, 2) Retention of the 420-450 MHz band for further consideration, but not until WRC-23, and 3) Removal of the 420-450 MHz band from consideration, AND deferral until 2023.
That's two out of three clear wins, and a third outcome to which my wife's philosophy of litigation would apply: Justice delayed is justice.
This is unlikely to be resolved until tomorrow Geneva time. We have moved on to IMT in the UHF television band. That this is now considered a simpler topic than the WRC-19 agenda speaks volumes about how complex the future agenda is.
Brennan T. Price, N4QX Chief Technology Officer American Radio Relay League PO Box 3470 Oakton VA 22124-9470 Tel +1 860 594-0247
________________________________________ From: Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 12:00 To: Price, Brennan, N4QX; Lisenco, Mike (DIR, Hudson); arrl-odv Subject: RE: [arrl-odv:24859] Re: WRC-15 update
Brennan is closer to the action so I will defer to his slightly more cautious characterization of the state of play on 420-450 MHz being included in the space operations service agenda item (which is itself, as of earlier today, not absolutely certain of inclusion in the WRC-19 agenda). Either way, we will soon know.
Dave
-----Original Message----- From: arrl-odv [mailto:arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org] On Behalf Of Price, Brennan, N4QX Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 11:57 AM To: Lisenco, Mike (DIR, Hudson); arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:24859] Re: WRC-15 update
Mike,
I should have done a better job differentiating the two classes of defensive items.
The agenda for each WRC is set by the previous WRC. In addition to dealing with the existing agenda, we are in the final stages of setting the 2019 agenda.
The 2015 items are on their way to satisfactory conclusions. The space ops item is contemplated for 2019, and we have been trying to minimize or eliminate our exposure.
This item for 2019 is still in flux, and I can't report responsibly on a likely outcome at this time. I can report that we've been working closely with DOD and other friendly interests to get 420-450 excluded, and have some hope, but no certainty, of success.
--Brennan
Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the Verizon Wireless 4G LTE network. Original Message From: Lisenco, Mike (DIR, Hudson) Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 17:44 To: Price, Brennan, N4QX; arrl-odv Subject: Re: [arrl-odv:24855] WRC-15 update
Brennan,
Thanks for the update. I wonder if you could address a point you made in your previous update to the ODV. In [arrl-odv:24843], you mention in point #2 that the 70 cm band may be in jeopardy due to "(C)onsideration of new space operations service allocations for commercial small satellites at VHF and UHF." Furthermore you say that while "our 2 meter allocation seems to be safe, but 70 cm may be affected,"
Could you please clarify this? You say in your current email that "all of the defensive items " you've faced have "either been resolved satisfactorily or are irreversibly on their way to that state." Does that include the issue of 70 cm? As you know, the 70 cm band is critical to our members.
73, Mike - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mike Lisenco, N2YBB Director, Hudson Division ARRL - The national association for Amateur Radio™ 917-865-3538 n2ybb@arrl.org
-----Original Message----- From: Price, Brennan, N4QX Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 10:04 AM To: arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:24855] WRC-15 update
We are at most twenty hours away from the end of substantive proceedings at WRC-15, and all of the defensive items we have faced at this conference have either been resolved satisfactorily or are irreversibly on their way to that state.
Within the last hour, several items for the WRC-19 agenda were formally approved. Among them is an effort to globally harmonize the 50-54 MHz allocation to the amateur service, and it appears this item will come first on the agenda, being numbered 1.1. Not that the numbering makes the work required any easier, but those that made the decision apparently did so consciously and with positive sentiment.
We will likely face several defensive items on the WRC-19 agenda, all of which remain to be finalized. The IARU team remaining here has worked hard to minimize the potential impact. I will report further when the outcome is clearer.
73 de Brennan HB9/N4QX
Brennan T. Price, N4QX Chief Technology Officer American Radio Relay League PO Box 3470 Oakton VA 22124-9470 Tel +1 860 594-0247 _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv
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Brennan is being a bit modest. the role he played personally was somewhat greater than you might deduce from his description. In any case, assuming that it holds through the two readings in Plenary we have avoided a battle that could have sapped a lot of resources from now until 2019. Dave K1ZZ ________________________________________ From: Price, Brennan, N4QX Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2015 7:51 AM To: Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ; Lisenco, Mike (DIR, Hudson); arrl-odv Subject: Update on WRC-19 agenda items In an all-night Plenary meeting that was extraordinary for many reasons beyond the fact that it lasted all night, it became apparent that a space operations service item made the WRC-19 agenda, but some confusion reigned about what bands were actually in play in the end. I am happy to report that the Editorial Committee (the last step before final adoption) has just cleared a Resolution limiting the scope of the agenda item to 150.05-174 MHz and 400.15-420 MHz. Nothing is ever final at a WRC until it clears two readings at Plenary, but something almost unprecedented would have to happen for this outcome to change at this point. IARU Vice President Ole Garpestad, LA2RR, and former IARU Region 1 President Hans Blondeel Timmerman, PB2T, led the effort to minimize the impact of an agenda item that at one point during the Conference included the whole of our 144-148 MHz and 420-450 MHz allocations within its contemplated scope. With their leadership, we were able to persuade those making the final decision that the normalization of patently non-amateur ventures operating in amateur bands is untenable. Things looked really bleak on this for a little while, with Dave appropriately referring to the matter as "Son of Little LEO". We're incredibly relieved. The agenda for WRC-19 still presents challenges. Our 5.7 GHz band is within the range under consideration for global harmonization of RLANs in the mobile service, and our allocations at 47-47.2 GHz and 81-81.5 GHz (allocated by footnote in the ITU Radio Regulations, but not domestically) have been identified for study for implementation of 5G IMT. Our efforts on that front start on Monday, when the first CPM for WRC-19 convenes. This WRC is now working overtime to complete its work by tomorrow's scheduled closing ceremony. We were supposed to be done by noon. We will be lucky to conclude by 5. Happy Thanksgiving, all. Brennan T. Price, N4QX Chief Technology Officer American Radio Relay League PO Box 3470 Oakton VA 22124-9470 Tel +1 860 594-0247 ________________________________________ From: arrl-odv [arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org] on behalf of Price, Brennan, N4QX Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 17:02 To: Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ; Lisenco, Mike (DIR, Hudson); arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:24863] Re: WRC-15 update The proceedings on the WRC-19 agenda are not efficiently progressing. At this stage, the three most likely outcomes on the Space Operations Service item are: 1) Removal of the 420-450 MHz band from consideration at WRC-19, 2) Retention of the 420-450 MHz band for further consideration, but not until WRC-23, and 3) Removal of the 420-450 MHz band from consideration, AND deferral until 2023. That's two out of three clear wins, and a third outcome to which my wife's philosophy of litigation would apply: Justice delayed is justice. This is unlikely to be resolved until tomorrow Geneva time. We have moved on to IMT in the UHF television band. That this is now considered a simpler topic than the WRC-19 agenda speaks volumes about how complex the future agenda is. Brennan T. Price, N4QX Chief Technology Officer American Radio Relay League PO Box 3470 Oakton VA 22124-9470 Tel +1 860 594-0247 ________________________________________ From: Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 12:00 To: Price, Brennan, N4QX; Lisenco, Mike (DIR, Hudson); arrl-odv Subject: RE: [arrl-odv:24859] Re: WRC-15 update Brennan is closer to the action so I will defer to his slightly more cautious characterization of the state of play on 420-450 MHz being included in the space operations service agenda item (which is itself, as of earlier today, not absolutely certain of inclusion in the WRC-19 agenda). Either way, we will soon know. Dave -----Original Message----- From: arrl-odv [mailto:arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org] On Behalf Of Price, Brennan, N4QX Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 11:57 AM To: Lisenco, Mike (DIR, Hudson); arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:24859] Re: WRC-15 update Mike, I should have done a better job differentiating the two classes of defensive items. The agenda for each WRC is set by the previous WRC. In addition to dealing with the existing agenda, we are in the final stages of setting the 2019 agenda. The 2015 items are on their way to satisfactory conclusions. The space ops item is contemplated for 2019, and we have been trying to minimize or eliminate our exposure. This item for 2019 is still in flux, and I can't report responsibly on a likely outcome at this time. I can report that we've been working closely with DOD and other friendly interests to get 420-450 excluded, and have some hope, but no certainty, of success. --Brennan Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the Verizon Wireless 4G LTE network. Original Message From: Lisenco, Mike (DIR, Hudson) Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 17:44 To: Price, Brennan, N4QX; arrl-odv Subject: Re: [arrl-odv:24855] WRC-15 update Brennan, Thanks for the update. I wonder if you could address a point you made in your previous update to the ODV. In [arrl-odv:24843], you mention in point #2 that the 70 cm band may be in jeopardy due to "(C)onsideration of new space operations service allocations for commercial small satellites at VHF and UHF." Furthermore you say that while "our 2 meter allocation seems to be safe, but 70 cm may be affected," Could you please clarify this? You say in your current email that "all of the defensive items " you've faced have "either been resolved satisfactorily or are irreversibly on their way to that state." Does that include the issue of 70 cm? As you know, the 70 cm band is critical to our members. 73, Mike - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mike Lisenco, N2YBB Director, Hudson Division ARRL - The national association for Amateur Radio™ 917-865-3538 n2ybb@arrl.org -----Original Message----- From: Price, Brennan, N4QX Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 10:04 AM To: arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:24855] WRC-15 update We are at most twenty hours away from the end of substantive proceedings at WRC-15, and all of the defensive items we have faced at this conference have either been resolved satisfactorily or are irreversibly on their way to that state. Within the last hour, several items for the WRC-19 agenda were formally approved. Among them is an effort to globally harmonize the 50-54 MHz allocation to the amateur service, and it appears this item will come first on the agenda, being numbered 1.1. Not that the numbering makes the work required any easier, but those that made the decision apparently did so consciously and with positive sentiment. We will likely face several defensive items on the WRC-19 agenda, all of which remain to be finalized. The IARU team remaining here has worked hard to minimize the potential impact. I will report further when the outcome is clearer. 73 de Brennan HB9/N4QX Brennan T. 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