[arrl-odv:32259] NSF Grant
This is an FYI. David Siddall was approached by Michael Marcus, N3JMM with regards to a large grant from NSF that Northeastern University is applying for. Part of what they're looking to do involves SDR's and students. Michael asked for ARRL to provide a letter stating: NASCE will collaborate with the ARRL, in introducing students to spectrum sharing issues by developing software for a commercial SDR model to make it operate as a cognitive radio in Amateur Radio Service allocations with several parameters under user control. NASCE will lend several of these units to high school and university amateur radio clubs with suggested experiments to test spectrum sharing under real world conditions. It is my intention to provide NASCE with such a letter. Note: There is a serious time crunch on getting them the response. If we decide later that this is not going in a direction that we support, we can back out. However, it is my view that we would not want to miss the opportunity to support the grant with simply a letter. I suspect that members would take this as being lazy on our behalf. Thoughts before I pull the trigger? David
I see it as a good opportunity. It fits in with so many things including spectrum sharing which is in our future if we want to keep access to our secondary allocations. It also shows members that we are once again interested in serious radio science. 73 Ria N2RJ On Mon, Apr 19, 2021 at 3:03 PM Minster, David NA2AA (CEO) < dminster@arrl.org> wrote:
This is an FYI.
David Siddall was approached by Michael Marcus, N3JMM with regards to a large grant from NSF that Northeastern University is applying for.
Part of what they’re looking to do involves SDR’s and students. Michael asked for ARRL to provide a letter stating:
*NASCE will collaborate with the ARRL, in introducing students to spectrum sharing issues by developing software for a commercial SDR model to make it operate as a cognitive radio in Amateur Radio Service allocations with several parameters under user control. NASCE will lend several of these units to high school and university amateur radio clubs with suggested experiments to test spectrum sharing under real world conditions.*
It is my intention to provide NASCE with such a letter. Note: There is a serious time crunch on getting them the response.
If we decide later that this is not going in a direction that we support, we can back out. However, it is my view that we would not want to miss the opportunity to support the grant with simply a letter. I suspect that members would take this as being lazy on our behalf.
Thoughts before I pull the trigger?
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David, Is this an extension of their current $175,000 grant which is due to expire in June? It really looks interesting and if we have the option to withdraw it gives us an out. As a matter of curiosity, it would be nice to see the current report on their research, I do support the League providing the letter. 73, Dale WA8EFK On 4/19/2021 3:02 PM, Minster, David NA2AA (CEO) wrote:
This is an FYI.
David Siddall was approached by Michael Marcus, N3JMM with regards to a large grant from NSF that Northeastern University is applying for.
Part of what they’re looking to do involves SDR’s and students. Michael asked for ARRL to provide a letter stating:
/NASCE will collaborate with the ARRL, in introducing students to spectrum sharing issues by developing software for a commercial SDR model to make it operate as a cognitive radio in Amateur Radio Service allocations with several parameters under user control. NASCE will lend several of these units to high school and university amateur radio clubs with suggested experiments to test spectrum sharing under real world conditions./
It is my intention to provide NASCE with such a letter. Note: There is a serious time crunch on getting them the response.
If we decide later that this is not going in a direction that we support, we can back out. However, it is my view that we would not want to miss the opportunity to support the grant with simply a letter. I suspect that members would take this as being lazy on our behalf.
Thoughts before I pull the trigger?
David
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Having been on the receiving end of NSF grants, this is a great way of getting good visibility. If we can provide the people to provide the support, this is a really good thing to do. Art On 4/19/2021 2:02 PM, Minster, David NA2AA (CEO) wrote:
This is an FYI.
David Siddall was approached by Michael Marcus, N3JMM with regards to a large grant from NSF that Northeastern University is applying for.
Part of what they’re looking to do involves SDR’s and students. Michael asked for ARRL to provide a letter stating:
/NASCE will collaborate with the ARRL, in introducing students to spectrum sharing issues by developing software for a commercial SDR model to make it operate as a cognitive radio in Amateur Radio Service allocations with several parameters under user control. NASCE will lend several of these units to high school and university amateur radio clubs with suggested experiments to test spectrum sharing under real world conditions./
It is my intention to provide NASCE with such a letter. Note: There is a serious time crunch on getting them the response.
If we decide later that this is not going in a direction that we support, we can back out. However, it is my view that we would not want to miss the opportunity to support the grant with simply a letter. I suspect that members would take this as being lazy on our behalf.
Thoughts before I pull the trigger?
David
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Does our participation create a potential conflict with our advertisers who develop and market, through our advertising mediums, software defined radios? John Robert Stratton N5AUS Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 19, 2021, at 3:12 PM, Arthur I. Zygielbaum <aiz@ctwsoft.com> wrote:
Having been on the receiving end of NSF grants, this is a great way of getting good visibility. If we can provide the people to provide the support, this is a really good thing to do.
Art
On 4/19/2021 2:02 PM, Minster, David NA2AA (CEO) wrote:
This is an FYI.
David Siddall was approached by Michael Marcus, N3JMM with regards to a large grant from NSF that Northeastern University is applying for.
Part of what they’re looking to do involves SDR’s and students. Michael asked for ARRL to provide a letter stating:
NASCE will collaborate with the ARRL, in introducing students to spectrum sharing issues by developing software for a commercial SDR model to make it operate as a cognitive radio in Amateur Radio Service allocations with several parameters under user control. NASCE will lend several of these units to high school and university amateur radio clubs with suggested experiments to test spectrum sharing under real world conditions.
It is my intention to provide NASCE with such a letter. Note: There is a serious time crunch on getting them the response.
If we decide later that this is not going in a direction that we support, we can back out. However, it is my view that we would not want to miss the opportunity to support the grant with simply a letter. I suspect that members would take this as being lazy on our behalf.
Thoughts before I pull the trigger?
David
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John, I do not think so. This is about software that doesn’t exist yet in the desired form, not hardware. And most likely the hardware itself would be lent the participating amateurs by one of the cooperating universities if a grant is made. I would think that the project could employ any generic SDR (depending upon development frequency) – of which there are many – and see how far one can get creating a new and better “listen-before-talk” (LBT) protocol. A little simplistic, but in the commercial world, LBT on steroids and dressed up = “cognitive radio”. There has been a lot of work on so-called cognitive radio, a lot of literature, consideration in multiple FCC proceedings, and even actual radios put into use in certain services. (If you have the misfortune to be hospitalized, if you are connected to a Philips wireless monitor, that device uses some basic LBT/cognitive radio techniques to monitor for and select the best channel within the hospital environment at 1.4 or 2.3 GHz.) But so far, the FCC and NTIA have found most of the proposals for LBT/cognitive radio to be unable, for example, to provide sufficient protection to a primary user from a secondary user. So any useful developments in this project would be leading edge and significant. But it is software-focused, not hardware. And the likes of Google, Microsoft, Philips, and others have already tried – or may still be trying. From David’s description, the amateur role would be testing the effectiveness of software developed by others under “real world conditions”, i.e., in the ham bands somewhere. 73, Dave K3ZJ From: arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org> on behalf of N5AUS <N5AUS@n5aus.com> Date: Monday, April 19, 2021 at 4:19 PM To: "Arthur I. Zygielbaum" <aiz@ctwsoft.com> Cc: arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> Subject: [arrl-odv:32264] Re: NSF Grant Does our participation create a potential conflict with our advertisers who develop and market, through our advertising mediums, software defined radios? John Robert Stratton N5AUS Sent from my iPhone On Apr 19, 2021, at 3:12 PM, Arthur I. Zygielbaum <aiz@ctwsoft.com> wrote: Having been on the receiving end of NSF grants, this is a great way of getting good visibility. If we can provide the people to provide the support, this is a really good thing to do. Art On 4/19/2021 2:02 PM, Minster, David NA2AA (CEO) wrote: This is an FYI. David Siddall was approached by Michael Marcus, N3JMM with regards to a large grant from NSF that Northeastern University is applying for. Part of what they’re looking to do involves SDR’s and students. Michael asked for ARRL to provide a letter stating: NASCE will collaborate with the ARRL, in introducing students to spectrum sharing issues by developing software for a commercial SDR model to make it operate as a cognitive radio in Amateur Radio Service allocations with several parameters under user control. NASCE will lend several of these units to high school and university amateur radio clubs with suggested experiments to test spectrum sharing under real world conditions. It is my intention to provide NASCE with such a letter. Note: There is a serious time crunch on getting them the response. If we decide later that this is not going in a direction that we support, we can back out. However, it is my view that we would not want to miss the opportunity to support the grant with simply a letter. I suspect that members would take this as being lazy on our behalf. Thoughts before I pull the trigger? David _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org<mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv
On a short break from meeting, so excuse any typos on the cell phone. David, I know you are very acquainted with Mike Marcus, N3JMM, but I want to make sure that others on here recall who he is and make sure there is no issue. Mike was part of the group very involved in opposing our symbol rate petition, docket 16-239. I do not have a problem with the grant. Sounds like something positive that we’d want to support. David, I assume there is no potential issue with how you described the grant work and our petition, even if by mere appearance with N3JMM involvement. Rick Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS On Monday, April 19, 2021, 3:49 PM, david davidsiddall-law. com <david@davidsiddall-law.com> wrote: #yiv9873906809 #yiv9873906809 -- _filtered {} _filtered {} _filtered {}#yiv9873906809 #yiv9873906809 p.yiv9873906809MsoNormal, #yiv9873906809 li.yiv9873906809MsoNormal, #yiv9873906809 div.yiv9873906809MsoNormal {margin:0in;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv9873906809 a:link, #yiv9873906809 span.yiv9873906809MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv9873906809 pre {margin:0in;font-size:10.0pt;}#yiv9873906809 span.yiv9873906809HTMLPreformattedChar {font-family:serif;}#yiv9873906809 span.yiv9873906809EmailStyle22 {font-family:sans-serif;color:windowtext;}#yiv9873906809 .yiv9873906809MsoChpDefault {font-size:10.0pt;} _filtered {}#yiv9873906809 div.yiv9873906809WordSection1 {}#yiv9873906809 John, I do not think so. This is about software that doesn’t exist yet in the desired form, not hardware. And most likely the hardware itself would be lent the participating amateurs by one of the cooperating universities if a grant is made. I would think that the project could employ any generic SDR (depending upon development frequency) – of which there are many – and see how far one can get creating a new and better “listen-before-talk” (LBT) protocol. A little simplistic, but in the commercial world, LBT on steroids and dressed up = “cognitive radio”. There has been a lot of work on so-called cognitive radio, a lot of literature, consideration in multiple FCC proceedings, and even actual radios put into use in certain services. (If you have the misfortune to be hospitalized, if you are connected to a Philips wireless monitor, that device uses some basic LBT/cognitive radio techniques to monitor for and select the best channel within the hospital environment at 1.4 or 2.3 GHz.) But so far, the FCC and NTIA have found most of the proposals for LBT/cognitive radio to be unable, for example, to provide sufficient protection to a primary user from a secondary user. So any useful developments in this project would be leading edge and significant. But it is software-focused, not hardware. And the likes of Google, Microsoft, Philips, and others have already tried – or may still be trying. From David’s description, the amateur role would be testing the effectiveness of software developed by others under “real world conditions”, i.e., in the ham bands somewhere. 73, Dave K3ZJ From: arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org> on behalf of N5AUS <N5AUS@n5aus.com> Date: Monday, April 19, 2021 at 4:19 PM To: "Arthur I. Zygielbaum" <aiz@ctwsoft.com> Cc: arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> Subject: [arrl-odv:32264] Re: NSF Grant Does our participation create a potential conflict with our advertisers who develop and market, through our advertising mediums, software defined radios? John Robert Stratton N5AUS Sent from my iPhone On Apr 19, 2021, at 3:12 PM, Arthur I. Zygielbaum <aiz@ctwsoft.com> wrote: Having been on the receiving end of NSF grants, this is a great way of getting good visibility. If we can provide the people to provide the support, this is a really good thing to do. Art On 4/19/2021 2:02 PM, Minster, David NA2AA (CEO) wrote: This is an FYI. David Siddall was approached by Michael Marcus, N3JMM with regards to a large grant from NSF that Northeastern University is applying for. Part of what they’re looking to do involves SDR’s and students. Michael asked for ARRL to provide a letter stating: NASCE will collaborate with the ARRL, in introducing students to spectrum sharing issues by developing software for a commercial SDR model to make it operate as a cognitive radio in Amateur Radio Service allocations with several parameters under user control. NASCE will lend several of these units to high school and university amateur radio clubs with suggested experiments to test spectrum sharing under real world conditions. It is my intention to provide NASCE with such a letter. Note: There is a serious time crunch on getting them the response. If we decide later that this is not going in a direction that we support, we can back out. However, it is my view that we would not want to miss the opportunity to support the grant with simply a letter. I suspect that members would take this as being lazy on our behalf. Thoughts before I pull the trigger? 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I don’t believe so. This is intended to develop new capabilities within SDR client software to support new functionality leading up to and possibly including spread spectrum. From: N5AUS <N5AUS@n5aus.com> Sent: Monday, April 19, 2021 4:19 PM To: Zygielbaum, Art, K0AIZ (D,MW) <aiz@ctwsoft.com> Cc: Minster, David NA2AA (CEO) <dminster@arrl.org>; arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> Subject: Re: [arrl-odv:32263] Re: NSF Grant Does our participation create a potential conflict with our advertisers who develop and market, through our advertising mediums, software defined radios? John Robert Stratton N5AUS Sent from my iPhone On Apr 19, 2021, at 3:12 PM, Arthur I. Zygielbaum <aiz@ctwsoft.com<mailto:aiz@ctwsoft.com>> wrote: Having been on the receiving end of NSF grants, this is a great way of getting good visibility. If we can provide the people to provide the support, this is a really good thing to do. Art On 4/19/2021 2:02 PM, Minster, David NA2AA (CEO) wrote: This is an FYI. David Siddall was approached by Michael Marcus, N3JMM with regards to a large grant from NSF that Northeastern University is applying for. Part of what they’re looking to do involves SDR’s and students. Michael asked for ARRL to provide a letter stating: NASCE will collaborate with the ARRL, in introducing students to spectrum sharing issues by developing software for a commercial SDR model to make it operate as a cognitive radio in Amateur Radio Service allocations with several parameters under user control. NASCE will lend several of these units to high school and university amateur radio clubs with suggested experiments to test spectrum sharing under real world conditions. It is my intention to provide NASCE with such a letter. Note: There is a serious time crunch on getting them the response. If we decide later that this is not going in a direction that we support, we can back out. However, it is my view that we would not want to miss the opportunity to support the grant with simply a letter. I suspect that members would take this as being lazy on our behalf. Thoughts before I pull the trigger? David _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org<mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org<mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv
Spread spectrum on the ham bands? There goes your wide-band noise floor even higher, and wait until the "if I can't decode it, it's illegal" guys get ahold of it. 73; Mike W7VO
On 04/19/2021 3:34 PM Minster, David NA2AA (CEO) <dminster@arrl.org> wrote:
I don’t believe so. This is intended to develop new capabilities within SDR client software to support new functionality leading up to and possibly including spread spectrum.
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Does our participation create a potential conflict with our advertisers who develop and market, through our advertising mediums, software defined radios?
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Having been on the receiving end of NSF grants, this is a great way of getting good visibility. If we can provide the people to provide the support, this is a really good thing to do.
Art
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This is an FYI.
David Siddall was approached by Michael Marcus, N3JMM with regards to a large grant from NSF that Northeastern University is applying for.
Part of what they’re looking to do involves SDR’s and students. Michael asked for ARRL to provide a letter stating:
NASCE will collaborate with the ARRL, in introducing students to spectrum sharing issues by developing software for a commercial SDR model to make it operate as a cognitive radio in Amateur Radio Service allocations with several parameters under user control. NASCE will lend several of these units to high school and university amateur radio clubs with suggested experiments to test spectrum sharing under real world conditions.
It is my intention to provide NASCE with such a letter. Note: There is a serious time crunch on getting them the response.
If we decide later that this is not going in a direction that we support, we can back out. However, it is my view that we would not want to miss the opportunity to support the grant with simply a letter. I suspect that members would take this as being lazy on our behalf.
Thoughts before I pull the trigger?
David
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Mike, Spread Spectrum is allowed under Part 97 on 222 MHz and higher. A nice historical article by NK6K in a 1995 QEX is here: https://www.qsl.net/n9zia/ss.qexss.html. Dave K3ZJ From: arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org> on behalf of Michael Ritz <w7vo@comcast.net> Date: Monday, April 19, 2021 at 7:46 PM To: arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> Subject: [arrl-odv:32270] Re: NSF Grant Spread spectrum on the ham bands? There goes your wide-band noise floor even higher, and wait until the "if I can't decode it, it's illegal" guys get ahold of it. 73; Mike W7VO On 04/19/2021 3:34 PM Minster, David NA2AA (CEO) <dminster@arrl.org> wrote: I don’t believe so. This is intended to develop new capabilities within SDR client software to support new functionality leading up to and possibly including spread spectrum. From: N5AUS <N5AUS@n5aus.com> Sent: Monday, April 19, 2021 4:19 PM To: Zygielbaum, Art, K0AIZ (D,MW) <aiz@ctwsoft.com> Cc: Minster, David NA2AA (CEO) <dminster@arrl.org>; arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> Subject: Re: [arrl-odv:32263] Re: NSF Grant Does our participation create a potential conflict with our advertisers who develop and market, through our advertising mediums, software defined radios? John Robert Stratton N5AUS Sent from my iPhone On Apr 19, 2021, at 3:12 PM, Arthur I. Zygielbaum <aiz@ctwsoft.com<mailto:aiz@ctwsoft.com>> wrote: Having been on the receiving end of NSF grants, this is a great way of getting good visibility. If we can provide the people to provide the support, this is a really good thing to do. Art On 4/19/2021 2:02 PM, Minster, David NA2AA (CEO) wrote: This is an FYI. David Siddall was approached by Michael Marcus, N3JMM with regards to a large grant from NSF that Northeastern University is applying for. Part of what they’re looking to do involves SDR’s and students. Michael asked for ARRL to provide a letter stating: NASCE will collaborate with the ARRL, in introducing students to spectrum sharing issues by developing software for a commercial SDR model to make it operate as a cognitive radio in Amateur Radio Service allocations with several parameters under user control. NASCE will lend several of these units to high school and university amateur radio clubs with suggested experiments to test spectrum sharing under real world conditions. It is my intention to provide NASCE with such a letter. Note: There is a serious time crunch on getting them the response. If we decide later that this is not going in a direction that we support, we can back out. However, it is my view that we would not want to miss the opportunity to support the grant with simply a letter. I suspect that members would take this as being lazy on our behalf. Thoughts before I pull the trigger? David _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org<mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org<mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv
Before I would sign anything like this, I would learn: Who are we dealing with? What is NASCE? Google suggests North American Society for Comparative Endocrinology and Network of Accredited Skills Centres in Europe. Maybe its something else? What is the relationship between NASCE and Northeastern University? Who would be the prime? What relation is the sub? Is this an advertised, competitive bid contract, or an unsolicited submission? Who is N3JMM (lives in MD), and what is his relation to either Northeastern University (in Boston) or NASCE (wherever they are)? N3JMM does not appear to be that active a ham by QRZ lookups, and the ARRL President just gave us some information that gives me great concern about getting involved with him? What is expected of us? Who is going to do the work? Staff? Volunteers? Why are we expected to react so quickly? This doesn't come across well in my opinion. There are other groups doing work on cognitive radio, such as GNU Radio, the GNU Foundation, and Open Research Institute. If this is a competitive procurement, are we aligned with the best (whatever that means) group. By the way, if the ARRL were to agree with something like this, the text of the recommended message should be reworded. The ARRL does not commit NASCE to do anything. Some times it may be useful to look before you leap. 73, Dick, N6AA On Monday, April 19, 2021, 12:03:02 PM P-DT, Minster, David NA2AA (CEO) <dminster@arrl.org> wrote: This is an FYI. David Siddall was approached by Michael Marcus, N3JMM with regards to a large grant from NSF that Northeastern University is applying for. Part of what they’re looking to do involves SDR’s and students. Michael asked for ARRL to provide a letter stating: NASCE will collaborate with the ARRL, in introducing students to spectrum sharing issues by developing software for a commercial SDR model to make it operate as a cognitive radio in Amateur Radio Service allocations with several parameters under user control. NASCE will lend several of these units to high school and university amateur radio clubs with suggested experiments to test spectrum sharing under real world conditions. It is my intention to provide NASCE with such a letter. Note: There is a serious time crunch on getting them the response. If we decide later that this is not going in a direction that we support, we can back out. However, it is my view that we would not want to miss the opportunity to support the grant with simply a letter. I suspect that members would take this as being lazy on our behalf. Thoughts before I pull the trigger? David _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv
An explanation of who NASCE is is explained here: https://www.nsf.gov/awardsearch/showAward?AWD_ID=2037896&HistoricalAwards=fa... Dr. Michael Marcus is: https://www.marcus-spectrum.com/ Don't read too much into his involvement with Rappaport et al. That was more of a professional consulting engagement than anything. Despite not having any contest plaques or DXCC certificates, he is an expert on spectrum issues, regulations and lobbying. He should be someone that we want on our side, as he is an expert in those areas. He's also a former staff engineer from the FCC. "There are other groups doing work on cognitive radio, such as GNU Radio, the GNU Foundation, and Open Research Institute" - and this is why people ask, "why join the ARRL? They don't provide any value." We should be showing potential members that we are actively involved in the future of radio, as a leader, not a follower. I believe that supporting this will give us not only good PR but also a seat at the table in future spectrum policy at a high level, which we desperately need at this point. 73 Ria, N2RJ On Mon, Apr 19, 2021 at 9:04 PM Richard Norton via arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> wrote:
Before I would sign anything like this, I would learn:
Who are we dealing with?
What is NASCE? Google suggests North American Society for Comparative Endocrinology and Network of Accredited Skills Centres in Europe. Maybe its something else?
What is the relationship between NASCE and Northeastern University? Who would be the prime? What relation is the sub? Is this an advertised, competitive bid contract, or an unsolicited submission?
Who is N3JMM (lives in MD), and what is his relation to either Northeastern University (in Boston) or NASCE (wherever they are)? N3JMM does not appear to be that active a ham by QRZ lookups, and the ARRL President just gave us some information that gives me great concern about getting involved with him?
What is expected of us?
Who is going to do the work? Staff? Volunteers?
Why are we expected to react so quickly? This doesn't come across well in my opinion.
There are other groups doing work on cognitive radio, such as GNU Radio, the GNU Foundation, and Open Research Institute. If this is a competitive procurement, are we aligned with the best (whatever that means) group.
By the way, if the ARRL were to agree with something like this, the text of the recommended message should be reworded. The ARRL does not commit NASCE to do anything.
Some times it may be useful to look before you leap.
73,
Dick, N6AA
On Monday, April 19, 2021, 12:03:02 PM P-DT, Minster, David NA2AA (CEO) <dminster@arrl.org> wrote:
This is an FYI.
David Siddall was approached by Michael Marcus, N3JMM with regards to a large grant from NSF that Northeastern University is applying for.
Part of what they’re looking to do involves SDR’s and students. Michael asked for ARRL to provide a letter stating:
NASCE will collaborate with the ARRL, in introducing students to spectrum sharing issues by developing software for a commercial SDR model to make it operate as a cognitive radio in Amateur Radio Service allocations with several parameters under user control. NASCE will lend several of these units to high school and university amateur radio clubs with suggested experiments to test spectrum sharing under real world conditions.
It is my intention to provide NASCE with such a letter. Note: There is a serious time crunch on getting them the response.
If we decide later that this is not going in a direction that we support, we can back out. However, it is my view that we would not want to miss the opportunity to support the grant with simply a letter. I suspect that members would take this as being lazy on our behalf.
Thoughts before I pull the trigger?
David
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Thank you for the information. It is a good start. However, it brings up more concern. N3JMM may be a smart, well meaning person. I do not know. But when we are advised that his apparent technical endorsement of Rappaport's position was based on a "professional consulting engagement," it implies that his endorsements can be bought, and may not represent the type of technical endorsement that I would like to be associated with. His web-site shows publications and presentations, and many of the recent ones are related to frequency sharing in microwave bands. He denigrates some users for attempting to restrict others from gaining any access to frequencies they have essential exclusive right to. Some of this may be appropriate. Although there was an earlier authored QST article listed, it was apparently removed from the reference address given. I do not see evidence of concern for Amateur Radio issues, although I admit that I haven't read everything. He may be someone we want to be engaged with or may not be. I do not know at this time. With respect to the referenced NSF contract, it shows that it was awarded in August 2020. Why is there a need eight months later to immediately commit to some undefined obligation. Although we are told that the League can pull out, the language suggested does not show that. Other questions are Is N3JMM paid for his efforts on this contract? Will the ARRL be paid? Will students participating be paid? If so, how much and what will be expected? Sorry. In my personal life, technical life, and business life, I understand what I am signing before doing so. I suggest the ARRL do so as well. 73, Dick On Monday, April 19, 2021, 06:20:23 PM PDT, rjairam@gmail.com <rjairam@gmail.com> wrote: An explanation of who NASCE is is explained here: https://www.nsf.gov/awardsearch/showAward?AWD_ID=2037896&HistoricalAwards=fa... Dr. Michael Marcus is: https://www.marcus-spectrum.com/ Don't read too much into his involvement with Rappaport et al. That was more of a professional consulting engagement than anything. Despite not having any contest plaques or DXCC certificates, he is an expert on spectrum issues, regulations and lobbying. He should be someone that we want on our side, as he is an expert in those areas. He's also a former staff engineer from the FCC. "There are other groups doing work on cognitive radio, such as GNU Radio, the GNU Foundation, and Open Research Institute" - and this is why people ask, "why join the ARRL? They don't provide any value." We should be showing potential members that we are actively involved in the future of radio, as a leader, not a follower. I believe that supporting this will give us not only good PR but also a seat at the table in future spectrum policy at a high level, which we desperately need at this point. 73 Ria, N2RJ On Mon, Apr 19, 2021 at 9:04 PM Richard Norton via arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> wrote:
Before I would sign anything like this, I would learn:
Who are we dealing with?
What is NASCE? Google suggests North American Society for Comparative Endocrinology and Network of Accredited Skills Centres in Europe. Maybe its something else?
What is the relationship between NASCE and Northeastern University? Who would be the prime? What relation is the sub? Is this an advertised, competitive bid contract, or an unsolicited submission?
Who is N3JMM (lives in MD), and what is his relation to either Northeastern University (in Boston) or NASCE (wherever they are)? N3JMM does not appear to be that active a ham by QRZ lookups, and the ARRL President just gave us some information that gives me great concern about getting involved with him?
What is expected of us?
Who is going to do the work? Staff? Volunteers?
Why are we expected to react so quickly? This doesn't come across well in my opinion.
There are other groups doing work on cognitive radio, such as GNU Radio, the GNU Foundation, and Open Research Institute. If this is a competitive procurement, are we aligned with the best (whatever that means) group.
By the way, if the ARRL were to agree with something like this, the text of the recommended message should be reworded. The ARRL does not commit NASCE to do anything.
Some times it may be useful to look before you leap.
73,
Dick, N6AA
On Monday, April 19, 2021, 12:03:02 PM P-DT, Minster, David NA2AA (CEO) <dminster@arrl.org> wrote:
This is an FYI.
David Siddall was approached by Michael Marcus, N3JMM with regards to a large grant from NSF that Northeastern University is applying for.
Part of what they’re looking to do involves SDR’s and students. Michael asked for ARRL to provide a letter stating:
NASCE will collaborate with the ARRL, in introducing students to spectrum sharing issues by developing software for a commercial SDR model to make it operate as a cognitive radio in Amateur Radio Service allocations with several parameters under user control. NASCE will lend several of these units to high school and university amateur radio clubs with suggested experiments to test spectrum sharing under real world conditions.
It is my intention to provide NASCE with such a letter. Note: There is a serious time crunch on getting them the response.
If we decide later that this is not going in a direction that we support, we can back out. However, it is my view that we would not want to miss the opportunity to support the grant with simply a letter. I suspect that members would take this as being lazy on our behalf.
Thoughts before I pull the trigger?
David
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