[arrl-odv:28408] Centenarian hams
I'm so glad that we could recognize these truly senior hams. Ted, K2JMY in particular is a treasure in the Hudson Division and the Eastern New York section. He is also a WW2 Veteran and was interviewed at West Point about his services. So now that the motions are passed, what's next? I want to ensure that I can make it worth their while. Is there a plaque, and if not, can I have one made anyway and present it? Or even just a certificate? My understanding is that there are some benefits to turning 100 as a long time league member. There is another ham in ENY (have to figure out their secret in that section) who will be turning 100 soon. I'll present that one in January. 73 Ria, N2RJ
Colleagues, May I suggest that, at the next meeting of the Board, motions of congratulations for individuals or organizations, whether for age, excellence, or other factors justifying a motion, should be presented in advance so that they may be included in the consent agenda? In addition, motions presented in advance can be edited for typos and format by the Secretary, reducing the need for "on the fly" error correction during the meeting? This process will allow us to engage in such activity almost without limit, while at the same time freeing up time for more substantive motions. I think we can do both honors and substance. Fred Hopengarten, Esq. K1VR Six Willarch Road Lincoln, MA 01773 781.259.0088, k1vr@arrl.org New England Director cid:a4a12f0b-0468-4a39-b953-31b2a3da8564 Serving ME, NH, VT, MA, RI and CT --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
Fred, I do agree. However i didn’t know we could celebrate the centenarians that way. Therefore I’ll have mine in advance next time. 73 Ria, N2RJ On Sun, Jul 21, 2019 at 11:43 PM Fred Hopengarten <k1vr@arrl.org> wrote:
Colleagues,
May I suggest that, at the next meeting of the Board, motions of congratulations for individuals or organizations, whether for age, excellence, or other factors justifying a motion, should be presented in advance so that they may be included in the consent agenda?
In addition, motions presented in advance can be edited for typos and format by the Secretary, reducing the need for "on the fly" error correction during the meeting?
This process will allow us to engage in such activity almost without limit, while at the same time freeing up time for more substantive motions. I think we can do both honors and substance.
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I agree with Fred’s desire to free up more time for “more substantive” motions, BUT … Perhaps the process we agree upon for attaining centenarian status or other honors could be designed to allow those items to be listed in the published Minutes as individual motions with applause at the end of each meeting. If we could “pull” these honors from the Consent Agenda (or wherever / however they might be initially brought to the meeting) and with a single action have them all approved and recorded as individual motions we could meet Fred’s time-saving objectives and still give each worthy individual or group the permanent recognition in the Minutes that s/he or it deserves. Perhaps Dan Henderson and/or Vice Director Raisbeck can devise an acceptable protocol. Down the road, when there are many more centenarians to be honored at each meeting, the Board could decide to switch to a single listing for all. But for now, I would prefer to stay with the Minutes showing individual motions as suggested above. Bud, W2RU
On Jul 21, 2019, at 11:43 PM, Fred Hopengarten <k1vr@arrl.org> wrote:
Colleagues,
May I suggest that, at the next meeting of the Board, motions of congratulations for individuals or organizations, whether for age, excellence, or other factors justifying a motion, should be presented in advance so that they may be included in the consent agenda?
In addition, motions presented in advance can be edited for typos and format by the Secretary, reducing the need for "on the fly" error correction during the meeting?
This process will allow us to engage in such activity almost without limit, while at the same time freeing up time for more substantive motions. I think we can do both honors and substance.
Fred Hopengarten, Esq. K1VR Six Willarch Road Lincoln, MA 01773 781.259.0088, k1vr@arrl.org
New England Director
I tend to agree with what Bud states here. We might consider handling this as a single agenda item at each meeting with a protocol similar to how the EC confirms life memberships. Good seeing everyone at the meeting! 73 David A. Norris, K5UZ Director, Delta Division Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 22, 2019, at 6:44 AM, W2RU - ARRL <W2RU@arrl.org> wrote:
I agree with Fred’s desire to free up more time for “more substantive” motions, BUT …
Perhaps the process we agree upon for attaining centenarian status or other honors could be designed to allow those items to be listed in the published Minutes as individual motions with applause at the end of each meeting. If we could “pull” these honors from the Consent Agenda (or wherever / however they might be initially brought to the meeting) and with a single action have them all approved and recorded as individual motions we could meet Fred’s time-saving objectives and still give each worthy individual or group the permanent recognition in the Minutes that s/he or it deserves.
Perhaps Dan Henderson and/or Vice Director Raisbeck can devise an acceptable protocol.
Down the road, when there are many more centenarians to be honored at each meeting, the Board could decide to switch to a single listing for all. But for now, I would prefer to stay with the Minutes showing individual motions as suggested above.
Bud, W2RU
On Jul 21, 2019, at 11:43 PM, Fred Hopengarten <k1vr@arrl.org> wrote:
Colleagues,
May I suggest that, at the next meeting of the Board, motions of congratulations for individuals or organizations, whether for age, excellence, or other factors justifying a motion, should be presented in advance so that they may be included in the consent agenda?
In addition, motions presented in advance can be edited for typos and format by the Secretary, reducing the need for "on the fly" error correction during the meeting?
This process will allow us to engage in such activity almost without limit, while at the same time freeing up time for more substantive motions. I think we can do both honors and substance.
Fred Hopengarten, Esq. K1VR Six Willarch Road Lincoln, MA 01773 781.259.0088, k1vr@arrl.org
New England Director
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If I may offer my perspective... When the Centurion Award was passed by the Board, it was never intended for each of those individual awards to come to the Board for approval. Because we have no way at HQ to track age, it was decided that when a Director became aware of a constituent that qualified, they would contact HQ with the pertinent information. At that point, HQ would issue an appropriate certificate to be presented to the recipient in a manner determined by the Director. The very first Centurion award was just presented last week to one of the gentlemen recognized by a Board motion. The Board can certainly bring forth a congratulatory motion as they desire, but perhaps it would be more efficient if, as necessary, the list of recipients could be in a report already made to the Board - perhaps as part of the PSC report - so it is in the record and a single motion made to recognize the individuals in that report so it appears in the minutes. This would require Directors to be proactive in getting the names of qualified amateurs to HQ in a timely manner. Along those same lines, a few years ago there was a motion to acknowledge an affiliated club for having reached what the director deemed was a significant milestone. That motion prompted a series of what I respectfully would call "me too" motions at the last minute. If the Board wishes to acknowledge the clubs individually that is again certainly their prerogative, but it could also be done as part of a listing in a report, perhaps again from the PSC. It would also require a director to be proactive in getting the club name and accomplishment to HQ before the board meeting in a timely manner. This is similar to how Silent Keys are gathered and reported in the minutes. An initial list is provided to me by the QST production department, and then I add in the various names provided by directors - either emailed to me during the year as they occur or given to me at the Board meeting... 73 Dan Henderson, N1ND Assistant Secretary, the American Radio Relay League, Inc. Regulatory Information Manager ARRL - the national association for Amateur Radio Phone: 860-594-0236 ________________________________ From: arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org> on behalf of David Norris via arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> Sent: Monday, July 22, 2019 8:25 AM To: Hippisley, George (Bud), W2RU, (Dir, RK) <Bud@W2RU.net> Cc: arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> Subject: [arrl-odv:28412] Re: Centenarian hams I tend to agree with what Bud states here. We might consider handling this as a single agenda item at each meeting with a protocol similar to how the EC confirms life memberships. Good seeing everyone at the meeting! 73 David A. Norris, K5UZ Director, Delta Division Sent from my iPhone On Jul 22, 2019, at 6:44 AM, W2RU - ARRL <W2RU@arrl.org<mailto:W2RU@arrl.org>> wrote: I agree with Fred’s desire to free up more time for “more substantive” motions, BUT … Perhaps the process we agree upon for attaining centenarian status or other honors could be designed to allow those items to be listed in the published Minutes as individual motions with applause at the end of each meeting. If we could “pull” these honors from the Consent Agenda (or wherever / however they might be initially brought to the meeting) and with a single action have them all approved and recorded as individual motions we could meet Fred’s time-saving objectives and still give each worthy individual or group the permanent recognition in the Minutes that s/he or it deserves. Perhaps Dan Henderson and/or Vice Director Raisbeck can devise an acceptable protocol. Down the road, when there are many more centenarians to be honored at each meeting, the Board could decide to switch to a single listing for all. But for now, I would prefer to stay with the Minutes showing individual motions as suggested above. Bud, W2RU On Jul 21, 2019, at 11:43 PM, Fred Hopengarten <k1vr@arrl.org<mailto:k1vr@arrl.org>> wrote: Colleagues, May I suggest that, at the next meeting of the Board, motions of congratulations for individuals or organizations, whether for age, excellence, or other factors justifying a motion, should be presented in advance so that they may be included in the consent agenda? In addition, motions presented in advance can be edited for typos and format by the Secretary, reducing the need for "on the fly" error correction during the meeting? This process will allow us to engage in such activity almost without limit, while at the same time freeing up time for more substantive motions. I think we can do both honors and substance. Fred Hopengarten, Esq. K1VR Six Willarch Road Lincoln, MA 01773 781.259.0088, k1vr@arrl.org<mailto:k1vr@arrl.org> New England Director _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org<mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv
The motion I brought forth could be called a “me too” motion. However, K2JMY’s milestone was alerted to HQ several times and several members asked QST to feature him. Eventually I hadn’t heard anything other than “we will look into it.” When Bud offered the two motions, I decided that rather than keep waiting for a response from HQ I would also offer one as a means to celebrate what is viewed as a pretty big deal in the section and division. Members would ask, why them and not us, we are the forgotten children. Then I get criticized for being inattentive to their needs. Yes, that does happen. I hadn’t any idea that centenarians were celebrated officially by the league, until now. (I also never got any real introduction to other “ceremonial” things or even a tutorial on how to use the ODV website portal, or even that it existed, as I discovered it by accident, but that’s a different story). But as officials we are expected to officially commemorate significant items relating to well loved and famous hams in our divisions. Bear in mind that my predecessor took his ball and went home, cut off all contact and never helped to get me started so we could have a smooth transition of leadership. So even if he did this I never would have known. So it’s not really as insignificant as it’s being made out to be here. I raised concern about the “we are aware of the 2 meters issue and will act when appropriate” motion which was covered in the IAVP report. But I decided to go along with it as it is good PR for our members and took very little time. We still got out by 5pm on Saturday, maybe a bit before. But I would more than welcome a collective commemoration mechanism as long as it is officially acknowledged and we can then go back to the clubs where said persons are celebrated and tell them that yes, we recognize your senior member’s contribution. I would also suggest that this be a report of the Historical committee rather than the P&SC. 73 Ria, N2RJ On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 8:57 AM Henderson, Dan N1ND <dhenderson@arrl.org> wrote:
If I may offer my perspective...
When the Centurion Award was passed by the Board, it was never intended for each of those individual awards to come to the Board for approval. Because we have no way at HQ to track age, it was decided that when a Director became aware of a constituent that qualified, they would contact HQ with the pertinent information. At that point, HQ would issue an appropriate certificate to be presented to the recipient in a manner determined by the Director. The very first Centurion award was just presented last week to one of the gentlemen recognized by a Board motion. The Board can certainly bring forth a congratulatory motion as they desire, but perhaps it would be more efficient if, as necessary, the list of recipients could be in a report already made to the Board - perhaps as part of the PSC report - so it is in the record and a single motion made to recognize the individuals in that report so it appears in the minutes. This would require Directors to be proactive in getting the names of qualified amateurs to HQ in a timely manner. Along those same lines, a few years ago there was a motion to acknowledge an affiliated club for having reached what the director deemed was a significant milestone. That motion prompted a series of what I respectfully would call "me too" motions at the last minute. If the Board wishes to acknowledge the clubs individually that is again certainly their prerogative, but it could also be done as part of a listing in a report, perhaps again from the PSC. It would also require a director to be proactive in getting the club name and accomplishment to HQ before the board meeting in a timely manner. This is similar to how Silent Keys are gathered and reported in the minutes. An initial list is provided to me by the QST production department, and then I add in the various names provided by directors - either emailed to me during the year as they occur or given to me at the Board meeting...
73
Dan Henderson, N1ND Assistant Secretary, the American Radio Relay League, Inc. Regulatory Information Manager ARRL - the national association for Amateur Radio Phone: 860-594-0236
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I tend to agree with what Bud states here. We might consider handling this as a single agenda item at each meeting with a protocol similar to how the EC confirms life memberships.
Good seeing everyone at the meeting!
73
David A. Norris, K5UZ Director, Delta Division
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 22, 2019, at 6:44 AM, W2RU - ARRL <W2RU@arrl.org> wrote:
I agree with Fred’s desire to free up more time for “more substantive” motions, BUT …
Perhaps the process we agree upon for attaining centenarian status or other honors could be designed to allow those items to be listed in the published Minutes as individual motions *with applause* at the end of each meeting. If we could “pull” these honors from the Consent Agenda (or wherever / however they might be initially brought to the meeting) and with a single action have them all approved and recorded as individual motions we could meet Fred’s time-saving objectives and still give each worthy individual or group the permanent recognition in the Minutes that s/he or it deserves.
Perhaps Dan Henderson and/or Vice Director Raisbeck can devise an acceptable protocol.
Down the road, when there are many more centenarians to be honored at each meeting, the Board could decide to switch to a single listing for all. But for now, I would prefer to stay with the Minutes showing individual motions as suggested above.
Bud, W2RU
On Jul 21, 2019, at 11:43 PM, Fred Hopengarten <k1vr@arrl.org> wrote:
Colleagues,
May I suggest that, at the next meeting of the Board, motions of congratulations for individuals or organizations, whether for age, excellence, or other factors justifying a motion, should be presented in advance so that they may be included in the consent agenda?
In addition, motions presented in advance can be edited for typos and format by the Secretary, reducing the need for "on the fly" error correction during the meeting?
This process will allow us to engage in such activity almost without limit, while at the same time freeing up time for more substantive motions. I think we can do both honors and substance.
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Good points, Dan. Something for us to consider. 73Rick - K5UR -----Original Message----- From: Henderson, Dan N1ND <dhenderson@arrl.org> To: Hippisley, George (Bud), W2RU, (Dir, RK) <Bud@W2RU.net>; Norris, David, K5UZ (Dir, DL) <k5uz@icloud.com> Cc: arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> Sent: Mon, Jul 22, 2019 7:57 am Subject: [arrl-odv:28413] Re: Centenarian hams #yiv3491345469 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}If I may offer my perspective... When the Centurion Award was passed by the Board, it was never intended for each of those individual awards to come to the Board for approval. Because we have no way at HQ to track age, it was decided that when a Director became aware of a constituent that qualified, they would contact HQ with the pertinent information. At that point, HQ would issue an appropriate certificate to be presented to the recipient in a manner determined by the Director. The very first Centurion award was just presented last week to one of the gentlemen recognized by a Board motion. The Board can certainly bring forth a congratulatory motion as they desire, but perhaps it would be more efficient if, as necessary, the list of recipients could be in a report already made to the Board - perhaps as part of the PSC report - so it is in the record and a single motion made to recognize the individuals in that report so it appears in the minutes. This would require Directors to be proactive in getting the names of qualified amateurs to HQ in a timely manner. Along those same lines, a few years ago there was a motion to acknowledge an affiliated club for having reached what the director deemed was a significant milestone. That motion prompted a series of what I respectfully would call "me too" motions at the last minute. If the Board wishes to acknowledge the clubs individually that is again certainly their prerogative, but it could also be done as part of a listing in a report, perhaps again from the PSC. It would also require a director to be proactive in getting the club name and accomplishment to HQ before the board meeting in a timely manner. This is similar to how Silent Keys are gathered and reported in the minutes. An initial list is provided to me by the QST production department, and then I add in the various names provided by directors - either emailed to me during the year as they occur or given to me at the Board meeting... 73 Dan Henderson, N1ND Assistant Secretary, the American Radio Relay League, Inc. Regulatory Information Manager ARRL - the national association for Amateur Radio Phone: 860-594-0236 From: arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org> on behalf of David Norris via arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> Sent: Monday, July 22, 2019 8:25 AM To: Hippisley, George (Bud), W2RU, (Dir, RK) <Bud@W2RU.net> Cc: arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> Subject: [arrl-odv:28412] Re: Centenarian hams I tend to agree with what Bud states here. We might consider handling this as a single agenda item at each meeting with a protocol similar to how the EC confirms life memberships. Good seeing everyone at the meeting! 73 David A. Norris, K5UZDirector, Delta Division Sent from my iPhone On Jul 22, 2019, at 6:44 AM, W2RU - ARRL <W2RU@arrl.org> wrote: I agree with Fred’s desire to free up more time for “more substantive” motions, BUT … Perhaps the process we agree upon for attaining centenarian status or other honors could be designed to allow those items to be listed in the published Minutes as individual motionswith applause at the end of each meeting. If we could “pull” these honors from the Consent Agenda (or wherever / however they might be initially brought to the meeting) and with a single action have them all approved and recorded as individual motions we could meet Fred’s time-saving objectives and still give each worthy individual or group the permanent recognition in the Minutes that s/he or it deserves. Perhaps Dan Henderson and/or Vice Director Raisbeck can devise an acceptable protocol. Down the road, when there are many more centenarians to be honored at each meeting, the Board could decide to switch to a single listing for all. But for now, I would prefer to stay with the Minutes showing individual motions as suggested above. Bud, W2RU On Jul 21, 2019, at 11:43 PM, Fred Hopengarten <k1vr@arrl.org> wrote: Colleagues, May I suggest that, at the next meeting of the Board, motions of congratulations for individuals or organizations, whether for age, excellence, or other factors justifying a motion, should be presented in advance so that they may be included in the consent agenda? In addition, motions presented in advance can be edited for typos and format by the Secretary, reducing the need for "on the fly" error correction during the meeting? This process will allow us to engage in such activity almost without limit, while at the same time freeing up time for more substantive motions. I think we can do both honors and substance. Fred Hopengarten, Esq. 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