[arrl-odv:28868] Re: update on the Repeater Directory
Then in that case it will always be inaccurate as many uncoordinated repeaters are going up now and many of these are widely used. What burns me about the current coordination system is that someone can apply for a pair only to be turned down while one of their friends gets 3 and 4 pairs easily for linked repeaters. So some people just give up and don’t bother with coordinators. There may be good coordinators but some are rife with corruption and politics. Clean that up and coordinators will be a reliable source once more since people will be encouraged to use them rather than just go rogue. There must be a clear, transparent, non-bureaucratic process with clearly defined standards of fairness and no preferential treatment for friends and family. Additionally some coordinators appear to be inactive. Metrocor hasn’t updated their website since 2012 and they only take coordination requests via snail mail. I’m not defending RFFinder in any way but the coordination system is clearly broken. RIa N2RJ On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 8:34 AM Greg Sarratt <gsarratt@att.net> wrote:
Sounds like we are going back to the way it was before rf finder (when the process worked well and we had accurate listings and it was a trusted book) except rf finder is still in the loop.
Southeastern repeater coordinators and repeater owners will not work with rf finder because, rf finder will not protect repeater coordinates, reconginse established coordination groups and compensate for the information.
Many site owners have requirements and agreements with repeater owners to not publish coordinates.
Two coordinators told me they were told by rf finder. If you dont give us your data we will steal it.
Many hams tell me they stopped buying the repeater directory.
Crowd sourcing for repeaters doesn't work. People are inventing pairs, taking over pairs, etc..
I think the solution is to go back to the way we use to do it without rf finder.
73, Greg, W4OZK
-------- Original message -------- From: John Robert Stratton <N5AUS@n5aus.com> Date: 10/10/19 12:26 PM (GMT-06:00) To: arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org Subject: [arrl-odv:28859] Re: update on the Repeater Directory
None of the Texas/Oklahoma coordinators will work with RF Finder due to the staggering inaccuracies. Their past attempts, according to them, to do so were rebuffed.
They consider the Directory to be trash and our agreement with RF Finder to be slap in their face on their efforts to maintain coordination. Unless we wish to assume responsibility for coordination and unless we make peace with the coordinators, the problems will remain.
_______________________________________
John Robert Stratton
N5AUS
Director
West Gulf Division
Office: 512-445-6262
Cell: 512-426-2028
P.O. Box 2232
Austin, Texas 78768-2232
*_______________________________________* On 10/10/19 11:53 AM, Bob Famiglio, K3RF via arrl-odv wrote:
When we stopped sourcing information from the repeater coordinators and went to crowd sourcing, the quality of the listings dropped considerably.
From my own experience in SE Pennsylvania regarding the greater tristate area, the book is , maybe, 65% accurate at best. Moreover, some repeater owners seem to think they can change their location or PL or power without re-coordinating again because they just upload their new information to the RF Finder. Then they lose their coordination when that comes to light and the wars start. Been involved in those recently. It is going to get worse too unless we support coordination and coordinators.
*Bob Famiglio, K3RF*
*Vice Director - ARRL Atlantic Division*
*610-359-7300*
www.QRZ.com/db/K3RF
*From:* arrl-odv *On Behalf Of *Rod Blocksome *Sent:* Thursday, October 10, 2019 9:21 AM *To:* Michel, Howard, WB2ITX (CEO) <wb2itx@arrl.org> <wb2itx@arrl.org> *Cc:* Ford, Steve, WB8IMY <sford@arrl.org> <sford@arrl.org>; Inderbitzen, Bob, NQ1R <rinderbitzen@arrl.org> <rinderbitzen@arrl.org>; arrl-odv <arrl-odv@arrl.org> <arrl-odv@arrl.org> *Subject:* [arrl-odv:28854] Re: update on the Repeater Directory
Thanks for the update Howard. These actions should make the Repeater Directory worthy of the ARRL "brand".
In general, ARRL publications have a reputation of high quality and accuracy which we need to maintain continuously.
Best 73's,
Rod, K0DAS
On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 7:47 PM Michel, Howard, WB2ITX (CEO) < wb2itx@arrl.org> wrote:
Dear Officers, Directors and Vice Directors,
At the April A&F meeting, an issue was raised about the quality of listings in the Repeater Directory. At that meeting, we committed to study the issues in detail and report back to the A&F in July with a recommendation.
At the July A&F meeting, we committed to work with RFinder to find additional ways to improve the repeater listings which ultimately get published annually in the Repeater Directory. Since that meeting we’ve taken the following steps.
(1) Publication Manager Steve Ford, WB8IMY has taken-on additional editing of the Repeater Directory to correct obvious and glaring errors. For example, frequency coordinators contributing data to RFinder will sometimes include city-name spelling errors, inconsistent naming, and incorrect state abbreviations. To the extent possible, Steve has already corrected over one thousand errors. The corrections are carried into RFinder’s online database and will be reflected in the next edition of the Directory.
(2) We have assigned Member Services Representative Jon Faasen, AA1EZ to serve as liaison to RFinder, supporting anyone who contacts us for assistance with correcting listings in the Repeater Directory. RFinder will work with Jon to ensure the corrections are made, and Jon will reach out to frequency coordinators and Section Managers for any instances requiring additional verification of repeater information.
As we reported at the A&F meeting, the landscape for repeaters has changed significantly in recent years. A proliferation of digital repeaters and related communities maintaining lists of active repeaters has introduced new challenges to the previous single-source model. Repeater users increasingly turn to online services such as RFinder for more-regularly-updated sources of repeater listings, and where listings are contributed and maintained by frequency coordinators, digital network databases, repeater owners, and users. I’m hopeful the additional effort we are making to review and correct listings will contribute to an even better annual Repeater Directory.
73, Howard, WB2ITX
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Some of the criticism is unfair, some of it is accurate. The problem with giving a user-requested pair to someone who askes for it when it is not in use is that pair may better suit a future system which has a position on a 500 foot tower, not an 80 foot tower in a given area. Assigning any requested “clear-channel” frequency regardless of this consideration creates a lot of white space on the map that cannot be well used. Those of you involved in Part 90 Public Safety (or business/industrial) allocations know what happens. I get involved for volunteer fire company radio operations. The ham coordination groups are bad at explaining this because they have no resources and can barely keep up with demand. By using up a given pair in a given area, then, 3 more available pairs nearby are not available. But again, Ria has a point about some coordinators. Results and experiences vary. The troops usually never have access to the coverage maps the better coordinators have. I have been hip deep in repeater wars for the ARCC for EPA/SNJ and it is getting nasty. Combine the bad, inaccurate applications filed by some hams with little technical skills and the coordinators have to do the work to fix some really bad applications. I have been shown some of those poorly drafted applications when lawyer letters get sent to the coordinators as things escalate. Yes, that does happen. This is going to be the next issue for hams, especially these days when most newer hams seem to stay on VHF/UHF repeaters for the whole time and everyone wants their own repeater. I think the League may want to think about accreditation of groups on a national basis so that they feel the need to stay current or hand the baton to another group with better skills. That is a third rail to avoid, but I believe we need to face it and decide whether we need to help, or not. I think it is useful to share a recent experience that resulted from FCC inquiries to the ARCC. The attached letter is typical of a situation we face here several times a year. It was sent to the FCC and also made public otherwise and the ARCC granted release permission generally. We got a lot of pushback and threats of lawsuits as the perpetrator’s false narratives about this matter and ARCC’s actions spread. Knowing the PA/NJ/DE repeater scene, I anticipate more of this in the years to come as newcomers are firing up their own repeaters based on “I don’t hear anybody on this channel so I’m using it and coordination is out of style. This attitude is either innocent or more belligerent as the case a few months ago detailed in the attached letter. The FCC ordered, well, more like “directed” or “recommended” the bad guy stop operations. He did immediately when getting called out. He had filed the complaint against the coordinators to begin with. Some say we have far too much on our plate to worry about such trivial matters as encouraging or supporting coordination, that it is not our business and there is nothing ARRL can do anyway. Is that right? P.S. BTW, I recall that by not noticing RF Finder by January 2019 to cancel, we are in for another three years autorenewal of the contract. Is that observation correct? Was someone monitoring this? I do not have a copy of the agreement. Bob Famiglio, K3RF Vice Director - ARRL Atlantic Division 610-359-7300 www.QRZ.com/db/K3RF From: arrl-odv On Behalf Of rjairam@gmail.com Sent: Friday, October 11, 2019 9:16 AM To: Greg Sarratt <gsarratt@att.net> Cc: arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org Subject: [arrl-odv:28868] Re: update on the Repeater Directory Then in that case it will always be inaccurate as many uncoordinated repeaters are going up now and many of these are widely used. What burns me about the current coordination system is that someone can apply for a pair only to be turned down while one of their friends gets 3 and 4 pairs easily for linked repeaters. So some people just give up and don’t bother with coordinators. There may be good coordinators but some are rife with corruption and politics. Clean that up and coordinators will be a reliable source once more since people will be encouraged to use them rather than just go rogue. There must be a clear, transparent, non-bureaucratic process with clearly defined standards of fairness and no preferential treatment for friends and family Additionally some coordinators appear to be inactive. Metrocor hasn’t updated their website since 2012 and they only take coordination requests via snail mail. I’m not defending RFFinder in any way but the coordination system is clearly broken. RIa N2RJ On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 8:34 AM Greg Sarratt <gsarratt@att.net <mailto:gsarratt@att.net> > wrote: Sounds like we are going back to the way it was before rf finder (when the process worked well and we had accurate listings and it was a trusted book) except rf finder is still in the loop. Southeastern repeater coordinators and repeater owners will not work with rf finder because, rf finder will not protect repeater coordinates, reconginse established coordination groups and compensate for the information. Many site owners have requirements and agreements with repeater owners to not publish coordinates. Two coordinators told me they were told by rf finder. If you dont give us your data we will steal it. Many hams tell me they stopped buying the repeater directory. Crowd sourcing for repeaters doesn't work. People are inventing pairs, taking over pairs, etc.. I think the solution is to go back to the way we use to do it without rf finder. 73, Greg, W4OZK -------- Original message -------- From: John Robert Stratton <N5AUS@n5auscom <mailto:N5AUS@n5aus.com> > Date: 10/10/19 12:26 PM (GMT-06:00) To: arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org <mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> Subject: [arrl-odv:28859] Re: update on the Repeater Directory None of the Texas/Oklahoma coordinators will work with RF Finder due to the staggering inaccuracies. Their past attempts, according to them, to do so were rebuffed. They consider the Directory to be trash and our agreement with RF Finder to be slap in their face on their efforts to maintain coordination. Unless we wish to assume responsibility for coordination and unless we make peace with the coordinators, the problems will remain. _______________________________________ John Robert Stratton N5AUS Director West Gulf Division Office: 512-445-6262 Cell: 512-426-2028 P.O. Box 2232 Austin, Texas 78768-2232 _______________________________________ On 10/10/19 11:53 AM, Bob Famiglio, K3RF via arrl-odv wrote: When we stopped sourcing information from the repeater coordinators and went to crowd sourcing, the quality of the listings dropped considerably. >From my own experience in SE Pennsylvania regarding the greater tristate area, the book is , maybe, 65% accurate at best. Moreover, some repeater owners seem to think they can change their location or PL or power without re-coordinating again because they just upload their new information to the RF Finder. Then they lose their coordination when that comes to light and the wars start. Been involved in those recently. It is going to get worse too unless we support coordination and coordinators. Bob Famiglio, K3RF Vice Director - ARRL Atlantic Division 610-359-7300 <http://www.QRZ.com/db/K3RF> www.QRZ.com/db/K3RF From: arrl-odv On Behalf Of Rod Blocksome Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2019 9:21 AM To: Michel, Howard, WB2ITX (CEO) <mailto:wb2itx@arrl.org> <wb2itx@arrl.org> Cc: Ford, Steve, WB8IMY <mailto:sford@arrl.org> <sford@arrl.org>; Inderbitzen, Bob, NQ1R <mailto:rinderbitzen@arrl.org> <rinderbitzen@arrl.org>; arrl-odv <mailto:arrl-odv@arrl.org> <arrl-odv@arrl.org> Subject: [arrl-odv:28854] Re: update on the Repeater Directory Thanks for the update Howard. These actions should make the Repeater Directory worthy of the ARRL "brand". In general, ARRL publications have a reputation of high quality and accuracy which we need to maintain continuously. Best 73's, Rod, K0DAS On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 7:47 PM Michel, Howard, WB2ITX (CEO) <wb2itx@arrl.org <mailto:wb2itx@arrl.org> > wrote: Dear Officers, Directors and Vice Directors, At the April A&F meeting, an issue was raised about the quality of listings in the Repeater Directory. At that meeting, we committed to study the issues in detail and report back to the A&F in July with a recommendation. At the July A&F meeting, we committed to work with RFinder to find additional ways to improve the repeater listings which ultimately get published annually in the Repeater Directory. Since that meeting we’ve taken the following steps. (1) Publication Manager Steve Ford, WB8IMY has taken-on additional editing of the Repeater Directory to correct obvious and glaring errors. For example, frequency coordinators contributing data to RFinder will sometimes include city-name spelling errors, inconsistent naming, and incorrect state abbreviations. To the extent possible, Steve has already corrected over one thousand errors. The corrections are carried into RFinder’s online database and will be reflected in the next edition of the Directory. (2) We have assigned Member Services Representative Jon Faasen, AA1EZ to serve as liaison to RFinder, supporting anyone who contacts us for assistance with correcting listings in the Repeater Directory. RFinder will work with Jon to ensure the corrections are made, and Jon will reach out to frequency coordinators and Section Managers for any instances requiring additional verification of repeater information. As we reported at the A&F meeting, the landscape for repeaters has changed significantly in recent years. A proliferation of digital repeaters and related communities maintaining lists of active repeaters has introduced new challenges to the previous single-source model. Repeater users increasingly turn to online services such as RFinder for more-regularly-updated sources of repeater listings, and where listings are contributed and maintained by frequency coordinators, digital network databases, repeater owners, and users. I’m hopeful the additional effort we are making to review and correct listings will contribute to an even better annual Repeater Directory. 73, Howard, WB2ITX -- Howard E. Michel, WB2ITX Chief Executive Officer ARRL, The National Association for Amateur Radio® 225 Main Street, Newington, CT 06111 <https://www.google.com/maps/search/225+Main+Street,+Newington,+CT+06111?entry=gmail&source=g> -1494 USA Telephone: +1 860-594-0404 email: hmichel@arrl.org <mailto:hmichel@arrl.org> _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org <mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org <mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org <mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv
The person I know here who had to deal with them and decided in the end not to coordinate after getting the runaround has access to public safety sites on a mountaintop, which is where his (now uncoordinated) repeater sits. But either way now you understand why uncoordinated repeaters go online and why the coordinators are becoming irrelevant. Ria N2RJ On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 1:10 PM Bob Famiglio, K3RF <RBFamiglio@verizon.net> wrote:
Some of the criticism is unfair, some of it is accurate. The problem with giving a user-requested pair to someone who askes for it when it is not in use is that pair may better suit a future system which has a position on a 500 foot tower, not an 80 foot tower in a given area. Assigning any requested “clear-channel” frequency regardless of this consideration creates a lot of white space on the map that cannot be well used. Those of you involved in Part 90 Public Safety (or business/industrial) allocations know what happens. I get involved for volunteer fire company radio operations. The ham coordination groups are bad at explaining this because they have no resources and can barely keep up with demand. By using up a given pair in a given area, then, 3 more available pairs nearby are not available. But again, Ria has a point about some coordinators. Results and experiences vary.
The troops usually never have access to the coverage maps the better coordinators have. I have been hip deep in repeater wars for the ARCC for EPA/SNJ and it is getting nasty. Combine the bad, inaccurate applications filed by some hams with little technical skills and the coordinators have to do the work to fix some really bad applications. I have been shown some of those poorly drafted applications when lawyer letters get sent to the coordinators as things escalate. Yes, that does happen.
This is going to be the next issue for hams, especially these days when most newer hams seem to stay on VHF/UHF repeaters for the whole time and everyone wants their own repeater. I think the League may want to think about accreditation of groups on a national basis so that they feel the need to stay current or hand the baton to another group with better skills. That is a third rail to avoid, but I believe we need to face it and decide whether we need to help, or not.
I think it is useful to share a recent experience that resulted from FCC inquiries to the ARCC. The attached letter is typical of a situation we face here several times a year. It was sent to the FCC and also made public otherwise and the ARCC granted release permission generally. We got a lot of pushback and threats of lawsuits as the perpetrator’s false narratives about this matter and ARCC’s actions spread. Knowing the PA/NJ/DE repeater scene, I anticipate more of this in the years to come as newcomers are firing up their own repeaters based on “I don’t hear anybody on this channel so I’m using it and coordination is out of style. This attitude is either innocent or more belligerent as the case a few months ago detailed in the attached letter. The FCC ordered, well, more like “directed” or “recommended” the bad guy stop operations. He did immediately when getting called out. He had filed the complaint against the coordinators to begin with.
Some say we have far too much on our plate to worry about such trivial matters as encouraging or supporting coordination, that it is not our business and there is nothing ARRL can do anyway. Is that right?
*P.S. BTW, I recall that by not noticing RF Finder by January 2019 to cancel, we are in for another three years autorenewal of the contract. Is that observation correct? Was someone monitoring this? I do not have a copy of the agreement.*
*Bob Famiglio, K3RF*
*Vice Director - ARRL Atlantic Division*
*610-359-7300*
www.QRZ.com/db/K3RF
*From:* arrl-odv *On Behalf Of *rjairam@gmail.com *Sent:* Friday, October 11, 2019 9:16 AM *To:* Greg Sarratt <gsarratt@att.net> *Cc:* arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org *Subject:* [arrl-odv:28868] Re: update on the Repeater Directory
Then in that case it will always be inaccurate as many uncoordinated repeaters are going up now and many of these are widely used.
What burns me about the current coordination system is that someone can apply for a pair only to be turned down while one of their friends gets 3 and 4 pairs easily for linked repeaters. So some people just give up and don’t bother with coordinators.
There may be good coordinators but some are rife with corruption and politics. Clean that up and coordinators will be a reliable source once more since people will be encouraged to use them rather than just go rogue. There must be a clear, transparent, non-bureaucratic process with clearly defined standards of fairness and no preferential treatment for friends and family
Additionally some coordinators appear to be inactive. Metrocor hasn’t updated their website since 2012 and they only take coordination requests via snail mail.
I’m not defending RFFinder in any way but the coordination system is clearly broken.
RIa
N2RJ
On Fri, Oct 11, 2019 at 8:34 AM Greg Sarratt <gsarratt@att.net> wrote:
Sounds like we are going back to the way it was before rf finder (when the process worked well and we had accurate listings and it was a trusted book) except rf finder is still in the loop.
Southeastern repeater coordinators and repeater owners will not work with rf finder because, rf finder will not protect repeater coordinates, reconginse established coordination groups and compensate for the information.
Many site owners have requirements and agreements with repeater owners to not publish coordinates.
Two coordinators told me they were told by rf finder. If you dont give us your data we will steal it.
Many hams tell me they stopped buying the repeater directory.
Crowd sourcing for repeaters doesn't work. People are inventing pairs, taking over pairs, etc..
I think the solution is to go back to the way we use to do it without rf finder.
73,
Greg, W4OZK
-------- Original message --------
From: John Robert Stratton <N5AUS@n5auscom <N5AUS@n5aus.com>>
Date: 10/10/19 12:26 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org
Subject: [arrl-odv:28859] Re: update on the Repeater Directory
None of the Texas/Oklahoma coordinators will work with RF Finder due to the staggering inaccuracies. Their past attempts, according to them, to do so were rebuffed.
They consider the Directory to be trash and our agreement with RF Finder to be slap in their face on their efforts to maintain coordination. Unless we wish to assume responsibility for coordination and unless we make peace with the coordinators, the problems will remain.
_______________________________________
John Robert Stratton
N5AUS
Director
West Gulf Division
Office: 512-445-6262
Cell: 512-426-2028
P.O. Box 2232
Austin, Texas 78768-2232
*_______________________________________*
On 10/10/19 11:53 AM, Bob Famiglio, K3RF via arrl-odv wrote:
When we stopped sourcing information from the repeater coordinators and went to crowd sourcing, the quality of the listings dropped considerably.
From my own experience in SE Pennsylvania regarding the greater tristate area, the book is , maybe, 65% accurate at best. Moreover, some repeater owners seem to think they can change their location or PL or power without re-coordinating again because they just upload their new information to the RF Finder. Then they lose their coordination when that comes to light and the wars start. Been involved in those recently. It is going to get worse too unless we support coordination and coordinators.
*Bob Famiglio, K3RF*
*Vice Director - ARRL Atlantic Division*
*610-359-7300*
www.QRZ.com/db/K3RF
*From:* arrl-odv *On Behalf Of *Rod Blocksome *Sent:* Thursday, October 10, 2019 9:21 AM *To:* Michel, Howard, WB2ITX (CEO) <wb2itx@arrl.org> <wb2itx@arrl.org> *Cc:* Ford, Steve, WB8IMY <sford@arrl.org> <sford@arrl.org>; Inderbitzen, Bob, NQ1R <rinderbitzen@arrl.org> <rinderbitzen@arrl.org>; arrl-odv <arrl-odv@arrl.org> <arrl-odv@arrl.org> *Subject:* [arrl-odv:28854] Re: update on the Repeater Directory
Thanks for the update Howard. These actions should make the Repeater Directory worthy of the ARRL "brand".
In general, ARRL publications have a reputation of high quality and accuracy which we need to maintain continuously.
Best 73's,
Rod, K0DAS
On Wed, Oct 9, 2019 at 7:47 PM Michel, Howard, WB2ITX (CEO) < wb2itx@arrl.org> wrote:
Dear Officers, Directors and Vice Directors,
At the April A&F meeting, an issue was raised about the quality of listings in the Repeater Directory. At that meeting, we committed to study the issues in detail and report back to the A&F in July with a recommendation.
At the July A&F meeting, we committed to work with RFinder to find additional ways to improve the repeater listings which ultimately get published annually in the Repeater Directory. Since that meeting we’ve taken the following steps.
(1) Publication Manager Steve Ford, WB8IMY has taken-on additional editing of the Repeater Directory to correct obvious and glaring errors. For example, frequency coordinators contributing data to RFinder will sometimes include city-name spelling errors, inconsistent naming, and incorrect state abbreviations. To the extent possible, Steve has already corrected over one thousand errors. The corrections are carried into RFinder’s online database and will be reflected in the next edition of the Directory.
(2) We have assigned Member Services Representative Jon Faasen, AA1EZ to serve as liaison to RFinder, supporting anyone who contacts us for assistance with correcting listings in the Repeater Directory. RFinder will work with Jon to ensure the corrections are made, and Jon will reach out to frequency coordinators and Section Managers for any instances requiring additional verification of repeater information.
As we reported at the A&F meeting, the landscape for repeaters has changed significantly in recent years. A proliferation of digital repeaters and related communities maintaining lists of active repeaters has introduced new challenges to the previous single-source model. Repeater users increasingly turn to online services such as RFinder for more-regularly-updated sources of repeater listings, and where listings are contributed and maintained by frequency coordinators, digital network databases, repeater owners, and users. I’m hopeful the additional effort we are making to review and correct listings will contribute to an even better annual Repeater Directory.
73, Howard, WB2ITX
--
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Chief Executive Officer
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