[arrl-odv:30270] A&F Meeting 5/16

All: A meeting of the A&F Committee will be held via Zoom at 11:00 AM EDT on 5/16/2020. I have had varying degrees of success with Zoom meetings over the past couple of months; sometimes they work flawlessly and at other times some attendees intermittently cant be heard, or cant hear the group. Ive been using Zoom for a number of years and the recent swell of users has been noticeable. Im hoping that the time and day (Saturday morning) will move us away from the crush hour of M-F during the standard business hours that most users are working from home and using the platform. Its all about the bandwidth! We will see what happens. 73, Jeff, KØRM

Jeff We should consider NOT starting on the hour or half-hour — that is when EVERYONE tries to connect. Perhaps we should consider 11:10, 11: 20, etc.? _______________________________________ John Robert Stratton N5AUS Director West Gulf Division Office:512-445-6262 Cell:512-426-2028 P.O. Box 2232 Austin, Texas 78768-2232 *_______________________________________*** ** On 5/11/20 10:53 AM, k0rm@comcast.net wrote:
All:
A meeting of the A&F Committee will be held via Zoom at 11:00 AM EDT on 5/16/2020.
I have had varying degrees of success with Zoom meetings over the past couple of months; sometimes they work flawlessly and at other times some attendees intermittently can’t be heard, or can’t hear the group. I’ve been using Zoom for a number of years and the recent swell of users has been noticeable. I’m hoping that the time and day (Saturday morning) will move us away from the ‘crush hour’ of M-F during the standard business hours that most users are working from home and using the platform. It’s all about the bandwidth! We will see what happens.
73,
Jeff, KØRM
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The only issue I've found with Zoom is related to the internet bandwidth capabilities of the attendees. People with poor bandwidth (DSL, for example), will appear lower resolution on the screen, and their voices may cut in and out. One can certainly tell the difference between those with high bandwidth, and those with low bandwidth. People using a cell phone and having a low bandwidth tower connection has also been an issue. I wouldn't want to try that here at my house, I live in a "one-bar" at most cell phone area! Most of my Zoom meetings have been in the late afternoon/evenings Pacific time, and Zoom itself has had no issues. I've never tried it early in the morning though. 73; Mike W7VO
On May 11, 2020 at 8:53 AM k0rm@comcast.net wrote:
All:
A meeting of the A&F Committee will be held via Zoom at 11:00 AM EDT on 5/16/2020.
I have had varying degrees of success with Zoom meetings over the past couple of months; sometimes they work flawlessly and at other times some attendees intermittently can’t be heard, or can’t hear the group. I’ve been using Zoom for a number of years and the recent swell of users has been noticeable. I’m hoping that the time and day (Saturday morning) will move us away from the ‘crush hour’ of M-F during the standard business hours that most users are working from home and using the platform. It’s all about the bandwidth! We will see what happens.
73,
Jeff, KØRM
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I use Zoom 10-12 hours per week at all times of day and never have a problem with professional colleagues because they have sufficient bandwidth. Club meetings are variable because of exactly what Mike explains - the bandwidth to certain users or the performance of computers/cameras with certain users. A robust Internet connection and a recent, well performing computer works fine with audio and HD video. All bets are off with cellular or satellite connections from rural endpoints! Mickey Baker, N4MB Palm Beach Gardens, FL *“The servant-leader is servant first… It begins with the natural feeling that one wants to serve, to serve first. Then conscious choice brings one to aspire to lead." Robert K. Greenleaf* On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 2:54 PM Michael Ritz <w7vo@comcast.net> wrote:
The only issue I've found with Zoom is related to the internet bandwidth capabilities of the attendees. People with poor bandwidth (DSL, for example), will appear lower resolution on the screen, and their voices may cut in and out. One can certainly tell the difference between those with high bandwidth, and those with low bandwidth. People using a cell phone and having a low bandwidth tower connection has also been an issue. I wouldn't want to try that here at my house, I live in a "one-bar" at most cell phone area!
Most of my Zoom meetings have been in the late afternoon/evenings Pacific time, and Zoom itself has had no issues. I've never tried it early in the morning though.
73; Mike W7VO
On May 11, 2020 at 8:53 AM k0rm@comcast.net wrote:
All:
A meeting of the A&F Committee will be held via Zoom at 11:00 AM EDT on 5/16/2020.
I have had varying degrees of success with Zoom meetings over the past couple of months; sometimes they work flawlessly and at other times some attendees intermittently can’t be heard, or can’t hear the group. I’ve been using Zoom for a number of years and the recent swell of users has been noticeable. I’m hoping that the time and day (Saturday morning) will move us away from the ‘crush hour’ of M-F during the standard business hours that most users are working from home and using the platform. It’s all about the bandwidth! We will see what happens.
73,
Jeff, KØRM _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv
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Jeff: Is this upcoming A&F meeting an open meeting, or the one you didn't want any visitors attending that was canceled a few weeks ago? If you will allow visitors to attend this time, can we be provided the Zoom log-in information? On a side note, and addressed to the many honorable lawyers on the Board: It seems to me that by Director Ryan providing the "place and time" for the upcoming virtual standing committee meeting, he is technically in compliance with Standing Order 90-1.63 (below). This Standing Order needs to be updated for modern technology, since "place" could now be virtual, utilizing a website such as Zoom that requires a password and a log-in to access. There is no requirement to disclose the password or log-in information for the meeting in the SO, just the "place and time". Can the EC take this on as an action item for July, or should I? "90-1.63) Promptly after the calling of a meeting of a Standing Committee, its Chairman shall ensure that the remaining Board members are notified of the place and time of the meeting. The meeting notes of any Standing Committee meeting shall be published to the full Board within 30 days of that meeting." 73; Mike W7VO
On May 11, 2020 at 8:53 AM k0rm@comcast.net wrote:
All:
A meeting of the A&F Committee will be held via Zoom at 11:00 AM EDT on 5/16/2020.
I have had varying degrees of success with Zoom meetings over the past couple of months; sometimes they work flawlessly and at other times some attendees intermittently can’t be heard, or can’t hear the group. I’ve been using Zoom for a number of years and the recent swell of users has been noticeable. I’m hoping that the time and day (Saturday morning) will move us away from the ‘crush hour’ of M-F during the standard business hours that most users are working from home and using the platform. It’s all about the bandwidth! We will see what happens.
73,
Jeff, KØRM
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ODV: The A&F Committee will be holding a meeting via Zoom this coming Saturday. In response to Director Ritz’s query: it isn’t a question of an “open” or “closed” meeting: It is quite simply a meeting of a standing committee of the ARRL. Due to extenuating circumstances we are attempting to conduct business in a manner that is different than what has been traditional. As this would be the first such committee meeting held at which the attendees will not all be in the same room, my goal is to approach— to the greatest extent possible—conditions which allow attendees to see and hear each other in real-time, without interruption, using the current state of the technology. Having worked in the telecom/Internet business all of my adult life, I am very conversant and comfortable with this technology. I have very good Internet bandwidth/speeds in my home office. What I can’t control is the bandwidth available to other committee members. I also can’t control the platform being used nor the experience with using the technology at the ‘other end’ of the QSO. As the date of the previously scheduled meeting approached, I started receiving requests for non-committee members to attend. Since everyone was ‘stuck at home’ I suppose there was nothing better going on and folks may as well stop by the A&F!! Sure: why not? That scenario was just a bit concerning in that all of a sudden I’m thinking about trying manage a meeting with 40 participants…. people coming and going throughout the meeting which would in and of itself be disruptive. I imagined myself spending time walking committee members through their Zoom settings so they can select the right views, turn off non-video participants, etc. and who knows how much additional time dealing with other tech issues. Every additional participant adds bandwidth that gets distributed to every other participant. It became more about managing the technology than managing the meeting. In the wake of those concerns, I cancelled the previously scheduled meeting rather than excluding anyone. I’ve subsequently spoken one-on-one with committee members and the consensus is we should hold a meeting. If a non-committee member wishes to listen in to the A&F Meeting they can do so by dialing in with a phone, audio only. Send me a personal email (k0rm@comcast.net <mailto:k0rm@comcast.net> ) and include the phone number from which you will be dialing in. I will forward the invite to you. Please dial in prior to 8:50AM Mountain Time and I will admit visitors in listen-only mode. (Make sure your caller ID isn’t blocked!) After 8:50 AM I will not be monitoring the waiting room as I will be busy with the meeting. Thank you es 73, Jeff, KØRM
participants (4)
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John Robert Stratton
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k0rm@comcast.net
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Michael Ritz
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Mickey Baker