[arrl-odv:31705] Concept Paper Attached
To the Board: I attach a concept paper that reflects ideas discussed yesterday, Friday, outside of the Board meeting. This is NOT A MOTION, nor do I anticipate it will become a motion until further discussion has occurred, including consideration by the Administration and Finance Committee, and Staff (so as to consider how we may handle comments from the membership). You will note that I am a strong believer in providing examples, hoping that some examples will survive into the ultimate document so that new Board members will have an idea of Board expectations. Comments and edits welcome anytime. Fred Hopengarten, Esq. K1VR Six Willarch Road Lincoln, MA 01773 781.259.0088, k1vr@arrl.org New England Director cid:a4a12f0b-0468-4a39-b953-31b2a3da8564 Serving ME, NH, VT, MA, RI and CT -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
The idea of the summary is a good one. State legislatures use the same concept for ballot questions, however it has been abused somewhat. But if we don’t abuse it and be truthful as to what our motions are I’m all for it. Ria N2RJ On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 10:11 PM <hopengarten@post.harvard.edu> wrote:
To the Board:
I attach a concept paper that reflects ideas discussed yesterday, Friday, outside of the Board meeting. This is NOT A MOTION, nor do I anticipate it will become a motion until further discussion has occurred, including consideration by the Administration and Finance Committee, and Staff (so as to consider how we may handle comments from the membership).
You will note that I am a strong believer in providing examples, hoping that some examples will survive into the ultimate document so that new Board members will have an idea of Board expectations.
Comments and edits welcome anytime.
*Fred Hopengarten, Esq. K1VR *
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*781.259.0088, k1vr@arrl.org <k1vr@arrl.org>*
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Nice job in much less than 16 hours. A second summary might be appropriate after the motion is passed or not passed to indicate how it was modified, if it was, or why it was denied. Thanks for this, 73, Art K0AIZ Arthur I. Zygielbaum, K0AIZ ARRL Midwest Division Director On 1/15/2021 9:11 PM, hopengarten@post.harvard.edu wrote:
To the Board:
I attach a concept paper that reflects ideas discussed yesterday, Friday, outside of the Board meeting. This is NOT A MOTION, nor do I anticipate it will become a motion until further discussion has occurred, including consideration by the Administration and Finance Committee, and Staff (so as to consider how we may handle comments from the membership).
You will note that I am a strong believer in providing examples, hoping that some examples will survive into the ultimate document so that new Board members will have an idea of Board expectations.
Comments and edits welcome anytime.
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Fred, Would it be your intention to share both the “Director’s Summary” and the “Directors Estimate of Costs” with membership , or just the “Director’s Summary” ? Thanks for putting this together so quickly ! Dave Dave Propper, K2DP ARRL Midwest Division Vice Director
On Jan 15, 2021, at 9:11 PM, <hopengarten@post.harvard.edu> <hopengarten@post.harvard.edu> wrote:
To the Board:
I attach a concept paper that reflects ideas discussed yesterday, Friday, outside of the Board meeting. This is NOT A MOTION, nor do I anticipate it will become a motion until further discussion has occurred, including consideration by the Administration and Finance Committee, and Staff (so as to consider how we may handle comments from the membership).
You will note that I am a strong believer in providing examples, hoping that some examples will survive into the ultimate document so that new Board members will have an idea of Board expectations.
Comments and edits welcome anytime.
Fred Hopengarten, Esq. K1VR Six Willarch Road Lincoln, MA 01773 781.259.0088, k1vr@arrl.org <mailto:k1vr@arrl.org>
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What I wrote was that the Director’s Summary is not confidential. But I’m open to the opinions of others as to whether the “Estimate of Costs” should be confidential. What do you think? Note: I failed to include a rationale in the Director’s Summary to answer the question, “What illness is this motion designed to cure?” Version 2 will include that . -Fred K1VR From: David Propper [mailto:k2dp@charter.net] Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2021 9:51 AM To: Fred Hopengarten Cc: ARRL ODV Mailing List Subject: Re: [arrl-odv:31705] Concept Paper Attached Fred, Would it be your intention to share both the “Director’s Summary” and the “Directors Estimate of Costs” with membership , or just the “Director’s Summary” ? Thanks for putting this together so quickly ! Dave Dave Propper, K2DP ARRL Midwest Division Vice Director On Jan 15, 2021, at 9:11 PM, <hopengarten@post.harvard.edu> <hopengarten@post.harvard.edu> wrote: To the Board: I attach a concept paper that reflects ideas discussed yesterday, Friday, outside of the Board meeting. This is NOT A MOTION, nor do I anticipate it will become a motion until further discussion has occurred, including consideration by the Administration and Finance Committee, and Staff (so as to consider how we may handle comments from the membership). You will note that I am a strong believer in providing examples, hoping that some examples will survive into the ultimate document so that new Board members will have an idea of Board expectations. Comments and edits welcome anytime. Fred Hopengarten, Esq. K1VR Six Willarch Road Lincoln, MA 01773 781.259.0088, <mailto:k1vr@arrl.org> k1vr@arrl.org New England Director <image001.png> Serving ME, NH, VT, MA, RI and CT <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=icon> Virus-free. <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=link> www.avast.com <Concept Paper for Greater Transparency for Motions Coming Before the Board.doc>_______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list <mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org <https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv> https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
Re: “What illness is this motion designed to cure?” Overnight I concluded that there are issues with the “Director’s Summary” that also need to be addressed. Specifically, how do we (the League) prevent the Director’s Summary from being a one-sided exposition of the need for the Motion? Or, more accurately, the need for changes to whatever we’re currently doing that the Motion claims to improve or cure? There are at least two sides to every story or proposed Board action. How do we prevent a potentially unwarranted flood of only pro-Motion comments from the membership if the only comments accompanying the Motion are those of its sponsor(s)? It seems to me that in the absence of a Supreme Arbiter capable of assuring a neutral Summary, a brief “Director’s Summary” coupled with no feedback mechanism (return e-mail, counting of “Like”s, etc.) might be the simplest implementation for now. Unless the Motion is a strawman, the sponsoring Director is obviously in favor of the Motion; but just as obviously, if there were no countervailing opinions, we wouldn’t need a Board of Directors. Bud, W2RU From: arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org> on behalf of "hopengarten@post.harvard.edu" <hopengarten@post.harvard.edu> Reply-To: "hopengarten@post.harvard.edu" <hopengarten@post.harvard.edu> Date: Saturday, January 16, 2021 at 10:06 AM To: "Propper, David, K2DP (VD, MW)" <k2dp@charter.net>, 'Fred Hopengarten' <hopengarten@post.harvard.edu> Cc: arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> Subject: [arrl-odv:31714] Re: Concept Paper Attached What I wrote was that the Director’s Summary is not confidential. But I’m open to the opinions of others as to whether the “Estimate of Costs” should be confidential. What do you think? Note: I failed to include a rationale in the Director’s Summary to answer the question, “What illness is this motion designed to cure?” Version 2 will include that . -Fred K1VR From: David Propper [mailto:k2dp@charter.net] Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2021 9:51 AM To: Fred Hopengarten Cc: ARRL ODV Mailing List Subject: Re: [arrl-odv:31705] Concept Paper Attached Fred, Would it be your intention to share both the “Director’s Summary” and the “Directors Estimate of Costs” with membership , or just the “Director’s Summary” ? Thanks for putting this together so quickly ! Dave Dave Propper, K2DP ARRL Midwest Division Vice Director On Jan 15, 2021, at 9:11 PM, <hopengarten@post.harvard.edu<mailto:hopengarten@post.harvard.edu>> <hopengarten@post.harvard.edu<mailto:hopengarten@post.harvard.edu>> wrote: To the Board: I attach a concept paper that reflects ideas discussed yesterday, Friday, outside of the Board meeting. This is NOT A MOTION, nor do I anticipate it will become a motion until further discussion has occurred, including consideration by the Administration and Finance Committee, and Staff (so as to consider how we may handle comments from the membership). You will note that I am a strong believer in providing examples, hoping that some examples will survive into the ultimate document so that new Board members will have an idea of Board expectations. Comments and edits welcome anytime. Fred Hopengarten, Esq. K1VR Six Willarch Road Lincoln, MA 01773 781.259.0088, k1vr@arrl.org<mailto:k1vr@arrl.org> New England Director <image001.png> Serving ME, NH, VT, MA, RI and CT [Image removed by sender.]<https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=icon> Virus-free. www.avast.com<https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=link> <Concept Paper for Greater Transparency for Motions Coming Before the Board.doc>_______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org<mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv
Anything financial should be confidential, so I assume just the summary would be included in the agenda. 73; Mike W7VO
On 01/16/2021 7:06 AM hopengarten@post.harvard.edu wrote:
What I wrote was that the Director’s Summary is not confidential.
But I’m open to the opinions of others as to whether the “Estimate of Costs” should be confidential. What do you think?
Note: I failed to include a rationale in the Director’s Summary to answer the question, “What illness is this motion designed to cure?” Version 2 will include that .
-Fred K1VR
From: David Propper [mailto:k2dp@charter.net] Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2021 9:51 AM To: Fred Hopengarten Cc: ARRL ODV Mailing List Subject: Re: [arrl-odv:31705] Concept Paper Attached
Fred,
Would it be your intention to share both the “Director’s Summary” and the “Directors Estimate of Costs” with membership , or just the “Director’s Summary” ?
Thanks for putting this together so quickly !
Dave
Dave Propper, K2DP
ARRL Midwest Division Vice Director
On Jan 15, 2021, at 9:11 PM, <hopengarten@post.harvard.edu mailto:hopengarten@post.harvard.edu > <hopengarten@post.harvard.edu mailto:hopengarten@post.harvard.edu > wrote:
To the Board:
I attach a concept paper that reflects ideas discussed yesterday, Friday, outside of the Board meeting. This is NOT A MOTION, nor do I anticipate it will become a motion until further discussion has occurred, including consideration by the Administration and Finance Committee, and Staff (so as to consider how we may handle comments from the membership).
You will note that I am a strong believer in providing examples, hoping that some examples will survive into the ultimate document so that new Board members will have an idea of Board expectations.
Comments and edits welcome anytime.
Fred Hopengarten, Esq. K1VR
Six Willarch Road
Lincoln, MA 01773
781.259.0088, k1vr@arrl.org mailto:k1vr@arrl.org
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Fred, first, thanks for the extra minutes last night on the phone after we "timed out" ZOOM :) Would this apply to ALL motions, or select motions, and who decides which? Example.. The motion thanking staff for outstanding work during the pandemic. Would we publish that? If so, staff would know, and some of the emotion from the "surprise" come Monday morning would be lost. Feel good motions that come up occasionally from the Directors, intended to be a surprise should still be a surprise. Example.. A motion to make someone an honorary official should be dropped at the last minute in my opinion with no advanced notice other than the motion makers and other BOD members "on the sly" ?? Mark, HDX On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 7:11 PM <hopengarten@post.harvard.edu> wrote:
To the Board:
I attach a concept paper that reflects ideas discussed yesterday, Friday, outside of the Board meeting. This is NOT A MOTION, nor do I anticipate it will become a motion until further discussion has occurred, including consideration by the Administration and Finance Committee, and Staff (so as to consider how we may handle comments from the membership).
You will note that I am a strong believer in providing examples, hoping that some examples will survive into the ultimate document so that new Board members will have an idea of Board expectations.
Comments and edits welcome anytime.
*Fred Hopengarten, Esq. K1VR *
*Six Willarch Road*
*Lincoln, MA 01773*
*781.259.0088, k1vr@arrl.org <k1vr@arrl.org>*
New England Director
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My opinion is that anything that has a significant impact on policy or spends money would be covered. Simple, ceremonial motions don't need it. Ria N2RJ On Sat, Jan 16, 2021 at 9:58 AM Mark J Tharp <kb7hdx@gmail.com> wrote:
Fred, first, thanks for the extra minutes last night on the phone after we "timed out" ZOOM :)
Would this apply to ALL motions, or select motions, and who decides which?
Example.. The motion thanking staff for outstanding work during the pandemic. Would we publish that? If so, staff would know, and some of the emotion from the "surprise" come Monday morning would be lost.
Feel good motions that come up occasionally from the Directors, intended to be a surprise should still be a surprise.
Example.. A motion to make someone an honorary official should be dropped at the last minute in my opinion with no advanced notice other than the motion makers and other BOD members "on the sly"
?? Mark, HDX
On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 7:11 PM <hopengarten@post.harvard.edu> wrote:
To the Board:
I attach a concept paper that reflects ideas discussed yesterday, Friday, outside of the Board meeting. This is NOT A MOTION, nor do I anticipate it will become a motion until further discussion has occurred, including consideration by the Administration and Finance Committee, and Staff (so as to consider how we may handle comments from the membership).
You will note that I am a strong believer in providing examples, hoping that some examples will survive into the ultimate document so that new Board members will have an idea of Board expectations.
Comments and edits welcome anytime.
*Fred Hopengarten, Esq. K1VR *
*Six Willarch Road*
*Lincoln, MA 01773*
*781.259.0088, k1vr@arrl.org <k1vr@arrl.org>*
New England Director
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Good catch. The Director’s Summary could say: This motion thanks an ARRL member of staff or volunteer for his or her service. We could add such a phrase (I’d be open to other wording) to the standing order and still retain the surprise. Wait for Version 2. -Fred K1VR From: Mark J Tharp [mailto:kb7hdx@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2021 9:58 AM To: Fred Hopengarten Cc: arrl-odv Subject: Re: [arrl-odv:31705] Concept Paper Attached Fred, first, thanks for the extra minutes last night on the phone after we "timed out" ZOOM :) Would this apply to ALL motions, or select motions, and who decides which? Example.. The motion thanking staff for outstanding work during the pandemic. Would we publish that? If so, staff would know, and some of the emotion from the "surprise" come Monday morning would be lost. Feel good motions that come up occasionally from the Directors, intended to be a surprise should still be a surprise. Example.. A motion to make someone an honorary official should be dropped at the last minute in my opinion with no advanced notice other than the motion makers and other BOD members "on the sly" ?? Mark, HDX On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 7:11 PM <hopengarten@post.harvard.edu> wrote: To the Board: I attach a concept paper that reflects ideas discussed yesterday, Friday, outside of the Board meeting. This is NOT A MOTION, nor do I anticipate it will become a motion until further discussion has occurred, including consideration by the Administration and Finance Committee, and Staff (so as to consider how we may handle comments from the membership). You will note that I am a strong believer in providing examples, hoping that some examples will survive into the ultimate document so that new Board members will have an idea of Board expectations. Comments and edits welcome anytime. Fred Hopengarten, Esq. K1VR Six Willarch Road Lincoln, MA 01773 781.259.0088, k1vr@arrl.org New England Director cid:a4a12f0b-0468-4a39-b953-31b2a3da8564 Serving ME, NH, VT, MA, RI and CT <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=icon> Virus-free. <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient&utm_term=link> www.avast.com _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
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Arthur I. Zygielbaum, K0AIZ -
David Propper -
Fred Hopengarten -
Hippisley, George (Bud), W2RU, (Dir, RK) -
hopengarten＠post.harvard.edu
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Mark J Tharp -
Michael Ritz -
rjairam＠gmail.com