I know I'm not on the Committee, but achieved BPL as a traffic handler in high school, and was a rep for 4RN, a cw relay function. 500 pieces of traffic is a lot in a month! The process then - as is the same 45 years later - was to emulate a telegram. You can see that from this delivery. Most of us have never seen a real telegram ! Modern message delivery is email, across the board, with attachments. Rarely few messages are sent any other way - even WEBEOC generates and posts emails into the incident logs automatically. WINLINK emulates this, but attachments slow everything down. In order to send messages, almost all EOCs have SATPHONES and ground satellite Internet gateways that include VoIP support. If amateur radio wants to remain relevant, we should focus on endpoint and field communication and focus on providing access to gateways - whether amateur or commercial- for messages routed outside the affected area. A past Red Cross president told me that they're not looking for the average ham as a volunteer- they want people who can help set up a PC network with their satellite solution. So a lightweight email solution is the right path - but the handling of email routing via best path is the part we are missing. It is easily doable, but requires talent outside amateur radio. Quite honestly, I believe there should be test questions around TCP/IP, which is a critical component of communication for almost every technology. When we use TCP/IP for email, we should know a little about IP addresses, networks and routing, we we can see where and when messages aren't delivered. There should be an app for that - which exists in WINLINK. One thing you might try is to originate messages to the same recipients email using Winlink email. Respectfully, Mickey N4MB ________________________________ From: arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org> on behalf of Bob Famiglio, K3RF via arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2023 1:48 PM To: Temples, Phil K9HI (VD,NE) <phil@temples.com> Cc: arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> Subject: [arrl-odv:34479] Re: Radiogram greetings Just to close the loop since I am a supporter of NTS revival. I received Phil’s holiday greeting by NTS this morning, 21 days after posting into the system. See attached. I am aware there are issues with the email injection point and some DTS relays with NTS yet to be worked-out. I know the delivering station as well. Good news is that the text looks perfect. The test message from Josh Johnson a while back was significantly garbled – unrecognizable address and an extra STOP (x-ray) placed in the message. That message seemed to be delivered promptly in a day or so by phone. It may have lost a word or two, but Josh has the (corrected) hard copy I received back. I am interested in any updated spreadsheet (Phil or anyone has) as to informal results in that the original reported results was of concern. It was an interesting check. Bob Famiglio, K3RF Director - ARRL Atlantic Division 610-359-7300 [cid:image001.png@01D925C2.69EF3DB0] Serving NNY, WNY, WPA, EPA, SNJ, DE and MD/DC sections www.QRZ.com/db/K3RF<http://www.QRZ.com/db/K3RF> From: RBFamiglio@verizon.net <RBFamiglio@verizon.net> Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2022 10:48 PM To: 'Kristen McIntyre' <kristen@alum.mit.edu>; 'Phil Temples' <phil@temples.com> Cc: arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org Subject: RE: [arrl-odv:34411] Re: Radiogram greetings Nothing here yet as of 22:45 eastern today. Merry Christmas to all. Bob Famiglio, K3RF Vice Director - ARRL Atlantic Division 610-359-7300 [cid:image001.png@01D925C2.69EF3DB0] Serving NNY, WNY, WPA, EPA, SNJ, DE and MD/DC sections www.QRZ.com/db/K3RF<http://www.QRZ.com/db/K3RF> From: arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org<mailto:arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org>> On Behalf Of Kristen McIntyre Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2022 8:24 PM To: Phil Temples <phil@temples.com<mailto:phil@temples.com>> Cc: arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org<mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> Subject: [arrl-odv:34411] Re: Radiogram greetings I got mine yesterday via a Winlink initiated email. On Dec 24, 2022, at 2:39 PM, Phil Temples <phil@temples.com<mailto:phil@temples.com>> wrote: Hi everyone, Just for fun, I arranged for NTS radiograms conveying holiday greetings to be sent to all directors and vice directors using the contact information listed in QST. The radiograms went sometime on Wednesday, December 23 with HXG handling instructions. I'd be curious to know how many of you received them. I realize that this is not a controlled experiment. ;-) 73, and happy holidays, Phil Temples, K9HI -- Phil Temples <phil@temples.com<mailto:phil@temples.com>> _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org<mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv -Kristen (K6WX) "Your eyes ... it's a day's work just looking into them" Laurie Anderson (--... ...-- -.. . -.- -.... .-- -..-)