[arrl-odv:31683] Director's Motion to Subsidize Under 18 FCC
I've spoken to a couple of you about this. I propose that we fund 1,000 young people under 18 to pay their FCC Licensing Fee. As many of you know, I've been under the weather for a month... so I'm sorry for the last minute drop. I'd like to do this at this meeting - a couple of Boy Scout Council might drop these programs based on the fee. Mickey Baker, N4MB Palm Beach Gardens, FL *“The servant-leader is servant first… It begins with the natural feeling that one wants to serve, to serve first. Then conscious choice brings one to aspire to lead." Robert K. Greenleaf*
I like this idea, and will second it if you don't have a second already. 73 Ria, N2RJ On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 6:12 PM Mickey Baker <fishflorida@gmail.com> wrote:
I've spoken to a couple of you about this.
I propose that we fund 1,000 young people under 18 to pay their FCC Licensing Fee.
As many of you know, I've been under the weather for a month... so I'm sorry for the last minute drop.
I'd like to do this at this meeting - a couple of Boy Scout Council might drop these programs based on the fee.
Mickey Baker, N4MB Palm Beach Gardens, FL “The servant-leader is servant first… It begins with the natural feeling that one wants to serve, to serve first. Then conscious choice brings one to aspire to lead." Robert K. Greenleaf _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv
I agree and will second if one is needed. Maybe we could also consider a fund under the foundation to support new hams -- especially young hams. It's something I'd donate to. 73, Art K0AIZ Arthur I. Zygielbaum, K0AIZ ARRL Midwest Division Director On 1/14/2021 5:12 PM, Mickey Baker wrote:
I've spoken to a couple of you about this.
I propose that we fund 1,000 young people under 18 to pay their FCC Licensing Fee.
As many of you know, I've been under the weather for a month... so I'm sorry for the last minute drop.
I'd like to do this at this meeting - a couple of Boy Scout Council might drop these programs based on the fee.
Mickey Baker, N4MB Palm Beach Gardens, FL /“The servant-leader is servant first… It begins with the natural feeling that one wants to serve, to serve first. Then conscious choice brings one to aspire to lead." Robert K. Greenleaf/
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I've just spoken to ARDC President, Phil Karn, KA9Q, about this idea, and he indicated that ARDC might likely fund it or a part of it. He suggested having the ARRL file a grant application, which is explained on https://www.ampr.org/giving/ Remember that ARDC received over $100million for the sale of some of their IP addresses to Amazon, and will be funding Amateur Radio and other activities at over $5million per year. There is no need for us to contribute or mount any extensive fundraising effort. One of our first places to look for funding activity that benefits Amateur Radio is ARDC. You can read more about them, and see exactly what grants they have made in the last two years on their web-site, https://www.ampr.org/giving/ 73, Dick, N6AA On Thursday, January 14, 2021, 03:50:28 PM PST, Arthur I. Zygielbaum, K0AIZ <k0aiz@arrl.org> wrote: I agree and will second if one is needed. Maybe we could also consider a fund under the foundation to support new hams -- especially young hams. It's something I'd donate to. 73, Art K0AIZ Arthur I. Zygielbaum, K0AIZ ARRL Midwest Division Director On 1/14/2021 5:12 PM, Mickey Baker wrote: I've spoken to a couple of you about this. I propose that we fund 1,000 young people under 18 to pay their FCC Licensing Fee. As many of you know, I've been under the weather for a month... so I'm sorry for the last minute drop. I'd like to do this at this meeting - a couple of Boy Scout Council might drop these programs based on the fee. Mickey Baker, N4MB Palm Beach Gardens, FL “The servant-leader is servant first… It begins with the natural feeling that one wants to serve, to serve first. Then conscious choice brings one to aspire to lead." Robert K. Greenleaf ______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv
Hi Dick, I am wondering if instead of them subsidizing the 1000, how about they provide a matching grant? This way we can double the number. 1000 may not be a lot, nationwide. 73 Ria, N2RJ On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 10:28 PM Richard Norton via arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> wrote:
I've just spoken to ARDC President, Phil Karn, KA9Q, about this idea, and he indicated that ARDC might likely fund it or a part of it. He suggested having the ARRL file a grant application, which is explained on https://www.ampr.org/giving/
Remember that ARDC received over $100million for the sale of some of their IP addresses to Amazon, and will be funding Amateur Radio and other activities at over $5million per year.
There is no need for us to contribute or mount any extensive fundraising effort. One of our first places to look for funding activity that benefits Amateur Radio is ARDC.
You can read more about them, and see exactly what grants they have made in the last two years on their web-site, https://www.ampr.org/giving/
73,
Dick, N6AA
On Thursday, January 14, 2021, 03:50:28 PM PST, Arthur I. Zygielbaum, K0AIZ <k0aiz@arrl.org> wrote:
I agree and will second if one is needed.
Maybe we could also consider a fund under the foundation to support new hams -- especially young hams. It's something I'd donate to.
73, Art K0AIZ
Arthur I. Zygielbaum, K0AIZ ARRL Midwest Division Director On 1/14/2021 5:12 PM, Mickey Baker wrote:
I've spoken to a couple of you about this.
I propose that we fund 1,000 young people under 18 to pay their FCC Licensing Fee.
As many of you know, I've been under the weather for a month... so I'm sorry for the last minute drop.
I'd like to do this at this meeting - a couple of Boy Scout Council might drop these programs based on the fee.
Mickey Baker, N4MB Palm Beach Gardens, FL “The servant-leader is servant first… It begins with the natural feeling that one wants to serve, to serve first. Then conscious choice brings one to aspire to lead." Robert K. Greenleaf
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Ria, If we think 1000 is too small a number, I suggest asking for funding of 2000. An alternative is get funding for 1000, and then ask for more if needed. I do not have knowledge of exactly what is in the minds of the ARDC grant committee, but I think the proposed idea is likely to resonate positively with any radio ham, not just the ARRL or ARDC Boards. There is no guarantee of exactly what they may or may not approve. Although there are some under the age of 18 joining our ranks, my observation is there are not that many of them, and in many cases, their new licenses do not result in them becoming active hams. There have been efforts at schools where reasonably large numbers of students passed the technician exam. One was at a middle school in a town next to mine, Calabasas. One year they licensed 60 or 70 students. I asked the driving force behind the effort a few years later about how many were on the air. The answer was, unfortunately zero. Would this have been worth $3150? I don't know. 73, Dick On Thursday, January 14, 2021, 07:47:01 PM PST, rjairam@gmail.com <rjairam@gmail.com> wrote: Hi Dick, I am wondering if instead of them subsidizing the 1000, how about they provide a matching grant? This way we can double the number. 1000 may not be a lot, nationwide. 73 Ria, N2RJ On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 10:28 PM Richard Norton via arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> wrote:
I've just spoken to ARDC President, Phil Karn, KA9Q, about this idea, and he indicated that ARDC might likely fund it or a part of it. He suggested having the ARRL file a grant application, which is explained on https://www.ampr.org/giving/
Remember that ARDC received over $100million for the sale of some of their IP addresses to Amazon, and will be funding Amateur Radio and other activities at over $5million per year.
There is no need for us to contribute or mount any extensive fundraising effort. One of our first places to look for funding activity that benefits Amateur Radio is ARDC.
You can read more about them, and see exactly what grants they have made in the last two years on their web-site, https://www.ampr.org/giving/
73,
Dick, N6AA
On Thursday, January 14, 2021, 03:50:28 PM PST, Arthur I. Zygielbaum, K0AIZ <k0aiz@arrl.org> wrote:
I agree and will second if one is needed.
Maybe we could also consider a fund under the foundation to support new hams -- especially young hams. It's something I'd donate to.
73, Art K0AIZ
Arthur I. Zygielbaum, K0AIZ ARRL Midwest Division Director On 1/14/2021 5:12 PM, Mickey Baker wrote:
I've spoken to a couple of you about this.
I propose that we fund 1,000 young people under 18 to pay their FCC Licensing Fee.
As many of you know, I've been under the weather for a month... so I'm sorry for the last minute drop.
I'd like to do this at this meeting - a couple of Boy Scout Council might drop these programs based on the fee.
Mickey Baker, N4MB Palm Beach Gardens, FL “The servant-leader is servant first… It begins with the natural feeling that one wants to serve, to serve first. Then conscious choice brings one to aspire to lead." Robert K. Greenleaf
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Let's try this from another angle. Let's assume we want to cover everyone's $35 in eternity - young or old How much per year? Let's look at that number and then work backwards. Perhaps it could be a membership perk? We pay your $35 as part of your membership. For the moment, let's not worry about how big the number is. We can backtrack later MikeK1TWF -----Original Message----- From: Richard Norton via arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> To: rjairam@gmail.com <rjairam@gmail.com> Cc: Arthur I. Zygielbaum, K0AIZ <k0aiz@arrl.org>; arrl-odv <arrl-odv@arrl.org> Sent: Thu, Jan 14, 2021 11:03 pm Subject: [arrl-odv:31698] Re: Director's Motion to Subsidize Under 18 FCC Ria, If we think 1000 is too small a number, I suggest asking for funding of 2000. An alternative is get funding for 1000, and then ask for more if needed. I do not have knowledge of exactly what is in the minds of the ARDC grant committee, but I think the proposed idea is likely to resonate positively with any radio ham, not just the ARRL or ARDC Boards. There is no guarantee of exactly what they may or may not approve. Although there are some under the age of 18 joining our ranks, my observation is there are not that many of them, and in many cases, their new licenses do not result in them becoming active hams. There have been efforts at schools where reasonably large numbers of students passed the technician exam. One was at a middle school in a town next to mine, Calabasas. One year they licensed 60 or 70 students. I asked the driving force behind the effort a few years later about how many were on the air. The answer was, unfortunately zero. Would this have been worth $3150? I don't know. 73, Dick On Thursday, January 14, 2021, 07:47:01 PM PST, rjairam@gmail.com <rjairam@gmail.com> wrote: Hi Dick, I am wondering if instead of them subsidizing the 1000, how about they provide a matching grant? This way we can double the number. 1000 may not be a lot, nationwide. 73 Ria, N2RJ On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 10:28 PM Richard Norton via arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> wrote:
I've just spoken to ARDC President, Phil Karn, KA9Q, about this idea, and he indicated that ARDC might likely fund it or a part of it. He suggested having the ARRL file a grant application, which is explained on https://www.ampr.org/giving/
Remember that ARDC received over $100million for the sale of some of their IP addresses to Amazon, and will be funding Amateur Radio and other activities at over $5million per year.
There is no need for us to contribute or mount any extensive fundraising effort. One of our first places to look for funding activity that benefits Amateur Radio is ARDC.
You can read more about them, and see exactly what grants they have made in the last two years on their web-site, https://www.ampr.org/giving/
73,
Dick, N6AA
On Thursday, January 14, 2021, 03:50:28 PM PST, Arthur I. Zygielbaum, K0AIZ <k0aiz@arrl.org> wrote:
I agree and will second if one is needed.
Maybe we could also consider a fund under the foundation to support new hams -- especially young hams. It's something I'd donate to.
73, Art K0AIZ
Arthur I. Zygielbaum, K0AIZ ARRL Midwest Division Director On 1/14/2021 5:12 PM, Mickey Baker wrote:
I've spoken to a couple of you about this.
I propose that we fund 1,000 young people under 18 to pay their FCC Licensing Fee.
As many of you know, I've been under the weather for a month... so I'm sorry for the last minute drop.
I'd like to do this at this meeting - a couple of Boy Scout Council might drop these programs based on the fee.
Mickey Baker, N4MB Palm Beach Gardens, FL “The servant-leader is servant first… It begins with the natural feeling that one wants to serve, to serve first. Then conscious choice brings one to aspire to lead." Robert K. Greenleaf
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Make the math easy. Let's look at (200,000 members * $35) divided by 10 years, so that's $700k/year. We would need to grow by 14,000 members to pay for it. A $700k annuity would cost us $8M+, one time. I believe we could invest $100k in a lobbying effort to get the RAYBAUMS legislation modified to exclude amateur radio completely. This was obviously an oversight by Congress - they excluded us on the regulatory side, but not the admin side... but that's the legislative committee's call. Mickey Baker, N4MB Palm Beach Gardens, FL *“The servant-leader is servant first… It begins with the natural feeling that one wants to serve, to serve first. Then conscious choice brings one to aspire to lead." Robert K. Greenleaf* On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 7:46 AM Mike Raisbeck via arrl-odv < arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> wrote:
Let's try this from another angle.
Let's assume we want to cover everyone's $35 in eternity - young or old
How much per year?
Let's look at that number and then work backwards.
Perhaps it could be a membership perk? We pay your $35 as part of your membership.
For the moment, let's not worry about how big the number is. We can backtrack later
Mike K1TWF
-----Original Message----- From: Richard Norton via arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> To: rjairam@gmail.com <rjairam@gmail.com> Cc: Arthur I. Zygielbaum, K0AIZ <k0aiz@arrl.org>; arrl-odv < arrl-odv@arrl.org> Sent: Thu, Jan 14, 2021 11:03 pm Subject: [arrl-odv:31698] Re: Director's Motion to Subsidize Under 18 FCC
Ria,
If we think 1000 is too small a number, I suggest asking for funding of 2000.
An alternative is get funding for 1000, and then ask for more if needed.
I do not have knowledge of exactly what is in the minds of the ARDC grant committee, but I think the proposed idea is likely to resonate positively with any radio ham, not just the ARRL or ARDC Boards.
There is no guarantee of exactly what they may or may not approve.
Although there are some under the age of 18 joining our ranks, my observation is there are not that many of them, and in many cases, their new licenses do not result in them becoming active hams.
There have been efforts at schools where reasonably large numbers of students passed the technician exam. One was at a middle school in a town next to mine, Calabasas. One year they licensed 60 or 70 students. I asked the driving force behind the effort a few years later about how many were on the air. The answer was, unfortunately zero. Would this have been worth $3150? I don't know.
73,
Dick
On Thursday, January 14, 2021, 07:47:01 PM PST, rjairam@gmail.com < rjairam@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Dick,
I am wondering if instead of them subsidizing the 1000, how about they provide a matching grant? This way we can double the number. 1000 may not be a lot, nationwide.
73 Ria, N2RJ
On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 10:28 PM Richard Norton via arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> wrote:
I've just spoken to ARDC President, Phil Karn, KA9Q, about this idea,
and he indicated that ARDC might likely fund it or a part of it. He suggested having the ARRL file a grant application, which is explained on https://www.ampr.org/giving/
Remember that ARDC received over $100million for the sale of some of
their IP addresses to Amazon, and will be funding Amateur Radio and other activities at over $5million per year.
There is no need for us to contribute or mount any extensive fundraising
effort. One of our first places to look for funding activity that benefits Amateur Radio is ARDC.
You can read more about them, and see exactly what grants they have made
in the last two years on their web-site, https://www.ampr.org/giving/
73,
Dick, N6AA
On Thursday, January 14, 2021, 03:50:28 PM PST, Arthur I. Zygielbaum,
K0AIZ <k0aiz@arrl.org> wrote:
I agree and will second if one is needed.
Maybe we could also consider a fund under the foundation to support new
hams -- especially young hams. It's something I'd donate to.
73, Art K0AIZ
Arthur I. Zygielbaum, K0AIZ ARRL Midwest Division Director On 1/14/2021 5:12 PM, Mickey Baker wrote:
I've spoken to a couple of you about this.
I propose that we fund 1,000 young people under 18 to pay their FCC
Licensing Fee.
As many of you know, I've been under the weather for a month... so I'm
sorry for the last minute drop.
I'd like to do this at this meeting - a couple of Boy Scout Council
might drop these programs based on the fee.
Mickey Baker, N4MB Palm Beach Gardens, FL “The servant-leader is servant first… It begins with the natural feeling
that one wants to serve, to serve first. Then conscious choice brings one to aspire to lead." Robert K. Greenleaf
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I would not support this for basic membership. I would support it for premium membership above a certain level. Adults have jobs and can afford $35. Kids in school have an allowance and a parent may just say it’s not worth it. This is the rationale. I saved for 5 years to take my ham radio test in Trinidad. It cost that much - $600TTD or about $80USD. My first job paid $12,000USD per year. Youth licensing rate there is low. We are lucky in the USA to have a system that allows youth to get licensed for more reasonable cost but the $35 fee could be a barrier. Ria N2RJ On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 7:46 AM Mike Raisbeck via arrl-odv < arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> wrote:
Let's try this from another angle.
Let's assume we want to cover everyone's $35 in eternity - young or old
How much per year?
Let's look at that number and then work backwards.
Perhaps it could be a membership perk? We pay your $35 as part of your membership.
For the moment, let's not worry about how big the number is. We can backtrack later
Mike K1TWF
-----Original Message----- From: Richard Norton via arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> To: rjairam@gmail.com <rjairam@gmail.com> Cc: Arthur I. Zygielbaum, K0AIZ <k0aiz@arrl.org>; arrl-odv < arrl-odv@arrl.org> Sent: Thu, Jan 14, 2021 11:03 pm Subject: [arrl-odv:31698] Re: Director's Motion to Subsidize Under 18 FCC
Ria,
If we think 1000 is too small a number, I suggest asking for funding of 2000.
An alternative is get funding for 1000, and then ask for more if needed.
I do not have knowledge of exactly what is in the minds of the ARDC grant committee, but I think the proposed idea is likely to resonate positively with any radio ham, not just the ARRL or ARDC Boards.
There is no guarantee of exactly what they may or may not approve.
Although there are some under the age of 18 joining our ranks, my observation is there are not that many of them, and in many cases, their new licenses do not result in them becoming active hams.
There have been efforts at schools where reasonably large numbers of students passed the technician exam. One was at a middle school in a town next to mine, Calabasas. One year they licensed 60 or 70 students. I asked the driving force behind the effort a few years later about how many were on the air. The answer was, unfortunately zero. Would this have been worth $3150? I don't know.
73,
Dick
On Thursday, January 14, 2021, 07:47:01 PM PST, rjairam@gmail.com < rjairam@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Dick,
I am wondering if instead of them subsidizing the 1000, how about they provide a matching grant? This way we can double the number. 1000 may not be a lot, nationwide.
73 Ria, N2RJ
On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 10:28 PM Richard Norton via arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> wrote:
I've just spoken to ARDC President, Phil Karn, KA9Q, about this idea,
and he indicated that ARDC might likely fund it or a part of it. He suggested having the ARRL file a grant application, which is explained on https://www.ampr.org/giving/
Remember that ARDC received over $100million for the sale of some of
their IP addresses to Amazon, and will be funding Amateur Radio and other activities at over $5million per year.
There is no need for us to contribute or mount any extensive fundraising
effort. One of our first places to look for funding activity that benefits Amateur Radio is ARDC.
You can read more about them, and see exactly what grants they have made
in the last two years on their web-site, https://www.ampr.org/giving/
73,
Dick, N6AA
On Thursday, January 14, 2021, 03:50:28 PM PST, Arthur I. Zygielbaum,
K0AIZ <k0aiz@arrl.org> wrote:
I agree and will second if one is needed.
Maybe we could also consider a fund under the foundation to support new
hams -- especially young hams. It's something I'd donate to.
73, Art K0AIZ
Arthur I. Zygielbaum, K0AIZ ARRL Midwest Division Director On 1/14/2021 5:12 PM, Mickey Baker wrote:
I've spoken to a couple of you about this.
I propose that we fund 1,000 young people under 18 to pay their FCC
Licensing Fee.
As many of you know, I've been under the weather for a month... so I'm
sorry for the last minute drop.
I'd like to do this at this meeting - a couple of Boy Scout Council
might drop these programs based on the fee.
Mickey Baker, N4MB Palm Beach Gardens, FL “The servant-leader is servant first… It begins with the natural feeling
that one wants to serve, to serve first. Then conscious choice brings one to aspire to lead." Robert K. Greenleaf
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Agreed. I was simply doing the math as VP1 Raisbeck requested. The $35 fee will likely reduce the number of renewals of inactive licensees. Quite frankly, many countries' licenses do not expire. My FAA Pilot Certificate does not expire. Mickey Baker, N4MB Palm Beach Gardens, FL *“The servant-leader is servant first… It begins with the natural feeling that one wants to serve, to serve first. Then conscious choice brings one to aspire to lead." Robert K. Greenleaf* On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 9:14 AM rjairam@gmail.com <rjairam@gmail.com> wrote:
I would not support this for basic membership.
I would support it for premium membership above a certain level.
Adults have jobs and can afford $35. Kids in school have an allowance and a parent may just say it’s not worth it. This is the rationale. I saved for 5 years to take my ham radio test in Trinidad. It cost that much - $600TTD or about $80USD. My first job paid $12,000USD per year. Youth licensing rate there is low. We are lucky in the USA to have a system that allows youth to get licensed for more reasonable cost but the $35 fee could be a barrier.
Ria N2RJ
On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 7:46 AM Mike Raisbeck via arrl-odv < arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> wrote:
Let's try this from another angle.
Let's assume we want to cover everyone's $35 in eternity - young or old
How much per year?
Let's look at that number and then work backwards.
Perhaps it could be a membership perk? We pay your $35 as part of your membership.
For the moment, let's not worry about how big the number is. We can backtrack later
Mike K1TWF
-----Original Message----- From: Richard Norton via arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> To: rjairam@gmail.com <rjairam@gmail.com> Cc: Arthur I. Zygielbaum, K0AIZ <k0aiz@arrl.org>; arrl-odv < arrl-odv@arrl.org> Sent: Thu, Jan 14, 2021 11:03 pm Subject: [arrl-odv:31698] Re: Director's Motion to Subsidize Under 18 FCC
Ria,
If we think 1000 is too small a number, I suggest asking for funding of 2000.
An alternative is get funding for 1000, and then ask for more if needed.
I do not have knowledge of exactly what is in the minds of the ARDC grant committee, but I think the proposed idea is likely to resonate positively with any radio ham, not just the ARRL or ARDC Boards.
There is no guarantee of exactly what they may or may not approve.
Although there are some under the age of 18 joining our ranks, my observation is there are not that many of them, and in many cases, their new licenses do not result in them becoming active hams.
There have been efforts at schools where reasonably large numbers of students passed the technician exam. One was at a middle school in a town next to mine, Calabasas. One year they licensed 60 or 70 students. I asked the driving force behind the effort a few years later about how many were on the air. The answer was, unfortunately zero. Would this have been worth $3150? I don't know.
73,
Dick
On Thursday, January 14, 2021, 07:47:01 PM PST, rjairam@gmail.com < rjairam@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Dick,
I am wondering if instead of them subsidizing the 1000, how about they provide a matching grant? This way we can double the number. 1000 may not be a lot, nationwide.
73 Ria, N2RJ
On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 10:28 PM Richard Norton via arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> wrote:
I've just spoken to ARDC President, Phil Karn, KA9Q, about this idea,
and he indicated that ARDC might likely fund it or a part of it. He suggested having the ARRL file a grant application, which is explained on https://www.ampr.org/giving/
Remember that ARDC received over $100million for the sale of some of
their IP addresses to Amazon, and will be funding Amateur Radio and other activities at over $5million per year.
There is no need for us to contribute or mount any extensive
fundraising effort. One of our first places to look for funding activity that benefits Amateur Radio is ARDC.
You can read more about them, and see exactly what grants they have
made in the last two years on their web-site, https://www.ampr.org/giving/
73,
Dick, N6AA
On Thursday, January 14, 2021, 03:50:28 PM PST, Arthur I. Zygielbaum,
K0AIZ <k0aiz@arrl.org> wrote:
I agree and will second if one is needed.
Maybe we could also consider a fund under the foundation to support new
hams -- especially young hams. It's something I'd donate to.
73, Art K0AIZ
Arthur I. Zygielbaum, K0AIZ ARRL Midwest Division Director On 1/14/2021 5:12 PM, Mickey Baker wrote:
I've spoken to a couple of you about this.
I propose that we fund 1,000 young people under 18 to pay their FCC
Licensing Fee.
As many of you know, I've been under the weather for a month... so I'm
sorry for the last minute drop.
I'd like to do this at this meeting - a couple of Boy Scout Council
might drop these programs based on the fee.
Mickey Baker, N4MB Palm Beach Gardens, FL “The servant-leader is servant first… It begins with the natural
feeling that one wants to serve, to serve first. Then conscious choice brings one to aspire to lead." Robert K. Greenleaf
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"Quite frankly, many countries' licenses do not expire. My FAA Pilot Certificate does not expire." The current FCC Commercial Radiotelephone licenses are lifetime, and do not expire until you do. 73; Mike W7VO
On 01/15/2021 6:18 AM Mickey Baker <fishflorida@gmail.com> wrote:
Agreed. I was simply doing the math as VP1 Raisbeck requested.
The $35 fee will likely reduce the number of renewals of inactive licensees.
Quite frankly, many countries' licenses do not expire. My FAA Pilot Certificate does not expire.
Mickey Baker, N4MB Palm Beach Gardens, FL “The servant-leader is servant first… It begins with the natural feeling that one wants to serve, to serve first. Then conscious choice brings one to aspire to lead." Robert K. Greenleaf
On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 9:14 AM rjairam@gmail.com mailto:rjairam@gmail.com < rjairam@gmail.com mailto:rjairam@gmail.com > wrote:
> > I would not support this for basic membership.
I would support it for premium membership above a certain level.
Adults have jobs and can afford $35. Kids in school have an allowance and a parent may just say it’s not worth it. This is the rationale. I saved for 5 years to take my ham radio test in Trinidad. It cost that much - $600TTD or about $80USD. My first job paid $12,000USD per year. Youth licensing rate there is low. We are lucky in the USA to have a system that allows youth to get licensed for more reasonable cost but the $35 fee could be a barrier.
Ria N2RJ
On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 7:46 AM Mike Raisbeck via arrl-odv < arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org > wrote:
> > > Let's try this from another angle.
Let's assume we want to cover everyone's $35 in eternity - young or old
How much per year?
Let's look at that number and then work backwards.
Perhaps it could be a membership perk? We pay your $35 as part of your membership.
For the moment, let's not worry about how big the number is. We can backtrack later
Mike K1TWF
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Ria,
If we think 1000 is too small a number, I suggest asking for funding of 2000.
An alternative is get funding for 1000, and then ask for more if needed.
I do not have knowledge of exactly what is in the minds of the ARDC grant committee, but I think the proposed idea is likely to resonate positively with any radio ham, not just the ARRL or ARDC Boards.
There is no guarantee of exactly what they may or may not approve.
Although there are some under the age of 18 joining our ranks, my observation is there are not that many of them, and in many cases, their new licenses do not result in them becoming active hams.
There have been efforts at schools where reasonably large numbers of students passed the technician exam. One was at a middle school in a town next to mine, Calabasas. One year they licensed 60 or 70 students. I asked the driving force behind the effort a few years later about how many were on the air. The answer was, unfortunately zero. Would this have been worth $3150? I don't know.
73,
Dick
On Thursday, January 14, 2021, 07:47:01 PM PST, rjairam@gmail.com mailto:rjairam@gmail.com < rjairam@gmail.com mailto:rjairam@gmail.com > wrote:
Hi Dick,
I am wondering if instead of them subsidizing the 1000, how about they provide a matching grant? This way we can double the number. 1000 may not be a lot, nationwide.
73 Ria, N2RJ
On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 10:28 PM Richard Norton via arrl-odv < arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org > wrote: > > I've just spoken to ARDC President, Phil Karn, KA9Q, about this idea, and he indicated that ARDC might likely fund it or a part of it. He suggested having the ARRL file a grant application, which is explained on https://www.ampr.org/giving/ > > Remember that ARDC received over $100million for the sale of some of their IP addresses to Amazon, and will be funding Amateur Radio and other activities at over $5million per year. > > There is no need for us to contribute or mount any extensive fundraising effort. One of our first places to look for funding activity that benefits Amateur Radio is ARDC. > > You can read more about them, and see exactly what grants they have made in the last two years on their web-site, https://www.ampr.org/giving/ > > 73, > > Dick, N6AA > > On Thursday, January 14, 2021, 03:50:28 PM PST, Arthur I. Zygielbaum, K0AIZ < k0aiz@arrl.org mailto:k0aiz@arrl.org > wrote: > > I agree and will second if one is needed. > > Maybe we could also consider a fund under the foundation to support new hams -- especially young hams. It's something I'd donate to. > > 73, Art K0AIZ > > Arthur I. Zygielbaum, K0AIZ > ARRL Midwest Division Director > On 1/14/2021 5:12 PM, Mickey Baker wrote: > > I've spoken to a couple of you about this. > > I propose that we fund 1,000 young people under 18 to pay their FCC Licensing Fee. > > As many of you know, I've been under the weather for a month... so I'm sorry for the last minute drop. > > I'd like to do this at this meeting - a couple of Boy Scout Council might drop these programs based on the fee. > > Mickey Baker, N4MB > Palm Beach Gardens, FL > “The servant-leader is servant first… It begins with the natural feeling that one wants to serve, to serve first. Then conscious choice brings one to aspire to lead." Robert K. Greenleaf > > ______________________________________________ > arrl-odv mailing list > arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org > https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv
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While foreign licenses don't expire, most require revalidation. My UK full license requires revalidation every 5 years. I don't get a new document but without that revalidation it goes inactive. FAA certificates are good for life, but you can't fly unless you're current - have a current flight review (BFR), and a medical or basicmed, or in the case of a sport pilot, a valid US driver license. We technically do have lifetime ham radio licenses here because we don't require retesting to renew. 73 Ria, N2RJ On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 10:16 AM Michael Ritz <w7vo@comcast.net> wrote:
"Quite frankly, many countries' licenses do not expire. My FAA Pilot Certificate does not expire."
The current FCC Commercial Radiotelephone licenses are lifetime, and do not expire until you do.
73; Mike W7VO
On 01/15/2021 6:18 AM Mickey Baker <fishflorida@gmail.com> wrote:
Agreed. I was simply doing the math as VP1 Raisbeck requested.
The $35 fee will likely reduce the number of renewals of inactive licensees.
Quite frankly, many countries' licenses do not expire. My FAA Pilot Certificate does not expire.
Mickey Baker, N4MB Palm Beach Gardens, FL “The servant-leader is servant first… It begins with the natural feeling that one wants to serve, to serve first. Then conscious choice brings one to aspire to lead." Robert K. Greenleaf
On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 9:14 AM rjairam@gmail.com < rjairam@gmail.com> wrote:
I would not support this for basic membership.
I would support it for premium membership above a certain level.
Adults have jobs and can afford $35. Kids in school have an allowance and a parent may just say it’s not worth it. This is the rationale. I saved for 5 years to take my ham radio test in Trinidad. It cost that much - $600TTD or about $80USD. My first job paid $12,000USD per year. Youth licensing rate there is low. We are lucky in the USA to have a system that allows youth to get licensed for more reasonable cost but the $35 fee could be a barrier.
Ria N2RJ
On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 7:46 AM Mike Raisbeck via arrl-odv < arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> wrote:
Let's try this from another angle.
Let's assume we want to cover everyone's $35 in eternity - young or old
How much per year?
Let's look at that number and then work backwards.
Perhaps it could be a membership perk? We pay your $35 as part of your membership.
For the moment, let's not worry about how big the number is. We can backtrack later
Mike K1TWF
-----Original Message----- From: Richard Norton via arrl-odv < arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> To: rjairam@gmail.com < rjairam@gmail.com> Cc: Arthur I. Zygielbaum, K0AIZ < k0aiz@arrl.org>; arrl-odv < arrl-odv@arrl.org> Sent: Thu, Jan 14, 2021 11:03 pm Subject: [arrl-odv:31698] Re: Director's Motion to Subsidize Under 18 FCC
Ria,
If we think 1000 is too small a number, I suggest asking for funding of 2000.
An alternative is get funding for 1000, and then ask for more if needed.
I do not have knowledge of exactly what is in the minds of the ARDC grant committee, but I think the proposed idea is likely to resonate positively with any radio ham, not just the ARRL or ARDC Boards.
There is no guarantee of exactly what they may or may not approve.
Although there are some under the age of 18 joining our ranks, my observation is there are not that many of them, and in many cases, their new licenses do not result in them becoming active hams.
There have been efforts at schools where reasonably large numbers of students passed the technician exam. One was at a middle school in a town next to mine, Calabasas. One year they licensed 60 or 70 students. I asked the driving force behind the effort a few years later about how many were on the air. The answer was, unfortunately zero. Would this have been worth $3150? I don't know.
73,
Dick
On Thursday, January 14, 2021, 07:47:01 PM PST, rjairam@gmail.com < rjairam@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Dick,
I am wondering if instead of them subsidizing the 1000, how about they provide a matching grant? This way we can double the number. 1000 may not be a lot, nationwide.
73 Ria, N2RJ
On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 10:28 PM Richard Norton via arrl-odv < arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> wrote:
I've just spoken to ARDC President, Phil Karn, KA9Q, about this idea, and he indicated that ARDC might likely fund it or a part of it. He suggested having the ARRL file a grant application, which is explained on https://www.ampr.org/giving/
Remember that ARDC received over $100million for the sale of some of their IP addresses to Amazon, and will be funding Amateur Radio and other activities at over $5million per year.
There is no need for us to contribute or mount any extensive fundraising effort. One of our first places to look for funding activity that benefits Amateur Radio is ARDC.
You can read more about them, and see exactly what grants they have made in the last two years on their web-site, https://www.ampr.org/giving/
73,
Dick, N6AA
On Thursday, January 14, 2021, 03:50:28 PM PST, Arthur I. Zygielbaum, K0AIZ < k0aiz@arrl.org> wrote:
I agree and will second if one is needed.
Maybe we could also consider a fund under the foundation to support new hams -- especially young hams. It's something I'd donate to.
73, Art K0AIZ
Arthur I. Zygielbaum, K0AIZ ARRL Midwest Division Director On 1/14/2021 5:12 PM, Mickey Baker wrote:
I've spoken to a couple of you about this.
I propose that we fund 1,000 young people under 18 to pay their FCC Licensing Fee.
As many of you know, I've been under the weather for a month... so I'm sorry for the last minute drop.
I'd like to do this at this meeting - a couple of Boy Scout Council might drop these programs based on the fee.
Mickey Baker, N4MB Palm Beach Gardens, FL “The servant-leader is servant first… It begins with the natural feeling that one wants to serve, to serve first. Then conscious choice brings one to aspire to lead." Robert K. Greenleaf
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