[arrl-odv:28701] Addition of Mr. Siddall to ODV
At the direction of President Roderick, I have added Mr. Siddall to the ODV reflector. Thanks and 73 Dan Henderson, N1ND Assistant Secretary - American Radio Relay League, Inc. Regulatory Information Manager ARRL, the national association for Amateur Radio (r) 860-594-0236 dhenderson@arrl.org<mailto:dhenderson@arrl.org>
"In accordance with Standing Order 89-1.43, I hope that newly elected Southwestern Division Vice Director Mark Weiss, K6FG, is added to the ODV list as soon as possible. 73, Dick Norton, N6AA" Question: Did Mark Weiss, K6FG, ever get added to the ODV reflector? 73; Mike W7VO
On September 4, 2019 at 12:19 PM "Henderson, Dan N1ND" <dhenderson@arrl.org> wrote:
At the direction of President Roderick, I have added Mr. Siddall to the ODV reflector.
Thanks and 73
Dan Henderson, N1ND
Assistant Secretary – American Radio Relay League, Inc.
Regulatory Information Manager
ARRL, the national association for Amateur Radio ®
860-594-0236
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I also want to know. And while I respect Mr. Siddall, I have to look back into my board book in January to see if we even allowed our counsel to be added to ODV. I do know Imlay was here but I thought that practice was now ended. Need some clarity please. Let’s get this right. Ria N2RJ On Wed, Sep 4, 2019 at 4:55 PM Michael Ritz <w7vo@comcast.net> wrote:
"In accordance with Standing Order 89-1.43, I hope that newly elected Southwestern Division Vice Director Mark Weiss, K6FG, is added to the ODV list as soon as possible.
73,
Dick Norton, N6AA"
Question: Did Mark Weiss, K6FG, ever get added to the ODV reflector?
73; Mike
W7VO
On September 4, 2019 at 12:19 PM "Henderson, Dan N1ND" < dhenderson@arrl.org> wrote:
At the direction of President Roderick, I have added Mr. Siddall to the ODV reflector.
Thanks and 73
Dan Henderson, N1ND
Assistant Secretary – American Radio Relay League, Inc.
Regulatory Information Manager
ARRL, the national association for Amateur Radio ®
860-594-0236
dhenderson@arrl.org
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I seem to recall that discussion as well however do not recall the outcome. IMHO I think we can include counsel via direct email and re-posts if necessary. As with Ria, I mean no disrespect to Mr. Siddall, but the ODV should be that, ODV. Just the opinion of a back seat driver. :) Mark, KB7HDX VD NW Div. On Wed, Sep 4, 2019 at 1:58 PM rjairam@gmail.com <rjairam@gmail.com> wrote:
I also want to know.
And while I respect Mr. Siddall, I have to look back into my board book in January to see if we even allowed our counsel to be added to ODV. I do know Imlay was here but I thought that practice was now ended.
Need some clarity please. Let’s get this right.
Ria N2RJ
On Wed, Sep 4, 2019 at 4:55 PM Michael Ritz <w7vo@comcast.net> wrote:
"In accordance with Standing Order 89-1.43, I hope that newly elected Southwestern Division Vice Director Mark Weiss, K6FG, is added to the ODV list as soon as possible.
73,
Dick Norton, N6AA"
Question: Did Mark Weiss, K6FG, ever get added to the ODV reflector?
73; Mike
W7VO
On September 4, 2019 at 12:19 PM "Henderson, Dan N1ND" < dhenderson@arrl.org> wrote:
At the direction of President Roderick, I have added Mr. Siddall to the ODV reflector.
Thanks and 73
Dan Henderson, N1ND
Assistant Secretary – American Radio Relay League, Inc.
Regulatory Information Manager
ARRL, the national association for Amateur Radio ®
860-594-0236
dhenderson@arrl.org
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OK, we will take him off pending more discussion on ODV of what everyone wants to do. Also, let's see what Howard, Dan and the HQ team can find on any precedence or procedures on this. Howard, please check. 73Rick - K5UR -----Original Message----- From: Mark J Tharp <kb7hdx@gmail.com> To: rjairam@gmail.com <rjairam@gmail.com> Cc: arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org>; Michael Ritz <w7vo@comcast.net> Sent: Wed, Sep 4, 2019 7:11 pm Subject: [arrl-odv:28704] Re: Addition of Mr. Siddall to ODV I seem to recall that discussion as well however do not recall the outcome. IMHO I think we can include counsel via direct email and re-posts if necessary. As with Ria, I mean no disrespect to Mr. Siddall, but the ODV should be that, ODV. Just the opinion of a back seat driver. :) Mark, KB7HDXVD NW Div. On Wed, Sep 4, 2019 at 1:58 PM rjairam@gmail.com <rjairam@gmail.com> wrote: I also want to know. And while I respect Mr. Siddall, I have to look back into my board book in January to see if we even allowed our counsel to be added to ODV. I do know Imlay was here but I thought that practice was now ended. Need some clarity please. Let’s get this right. RiaN2RJ On Wed, Sep 4, 2019 at 4:55 PM Michael Ritz <w7vo@comcast.net> wrote: "In accordance with Standing Order 89-1.43, I hope that newly elected Southwestern Division Vice Director Mark Weiss, K6FG, is added to the ODV list as soon as possible. 73, Dick Norton, N6AA" Question: Did Mark Weiss, K6FG, ever get added to the ODV reflector? 73; MikeW7VO On September 4, 2019 at 12:19 PM "Henderson, Dan N1ND" <dhenderson@arrl.org> wrote: At the direction of President Roderick, I have added Mr. Siddall to the ODV reflector. Thanks and 73 Dan Henderson, N1ND Assistant Secretary – American Radio Relay League, Inc. Regulatory Information Manager ARRL, the national association for Amateur Radio ®860-594-0236 dhenderson@arrl.org _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv
Here is my take on adding Mr. Siddall, K3ZJ to the ODV list: While as an insightful resource it'd be great to get his perspective on things, I have two considerations: 1. Mr. Siddall is essentially a highly paid consultant to the Board. I don't know what we have in the form of a contract with his firm, and don't know whether or not he's on any form of a retainer. If he's not on a retainer, he charges by the hour. Those hours are not inexpensive, and could potentially add up quickly if he's tasked with, or believes he is tasked with, researching a random question that comes up on ODV. 2. As a highly paid consultant, we probably should limit points of contact. Right now it's only select members of the EC that he's working with, on specific tasks related to the FCC filings. Would ODV be a distraction? Just my two watts. 73; Mike W7VO
On September 4, 2019 at 5:10 PM Mark J Tharp <kb7hdx@gmail.com> wrote:
I seem to recall that discussion as well however do not recall the outcome.
IMHO I think we can include counsel via direct email and re-posts if necessary. As with Ria, I mean no disrespect to Mr. Siddall, but the ODV should be that, ODV.
Just the opinion of a back seat driver. :)
Mark, KB7HDX VD NW Div.
On Wed, Sep 4, 2019 at 1:58 PM rjairam@gmail.com mailto:rjairam@gmail.com < rjairam@gmail.com mailto:rjairam@gmail.com > wrote:
> > I also want to know.
And while I respect Mr. Siddall, I have to look back into my board book in January to see if we even allowed our counsel to be added to ODV. I do know Imlay was here but I thought that practice was now ended.
Need some clarity please. Let’s get this right.
Ria N2RJ
On Wed, Sep 4, 2019 at 4:55 PM Michael Ritz < w7vo@comcast.net mailto:w7vo@comcast.net > wrote:
> > >
"In accordance with Standing Order 89-1.43, I hope that newly elected Southwestern Division Vice Director Mark Weiss, K6FG, is added to the ODV list as soon as possible.
73,
Dick Norton, N6AA"
Question: Did Mark Weiss, K6FG, ever get added to the ODV reflector?
73; Mike
W7VO
> > > > On September 4, 2019 at 12:19 PM "Henderson, Dan N1ND" < dhenderson@arrl.org mailto:dhenderson@arrl.org > wrote:
At the direction of President Roderick, I have added Mr. Siddall to the ODV reflector.
Thanks and 73
Dan Henderson, N1ND
Assistant Secretary – American Radio Relay League, Inc.
Regulatory Information Manager
ARRL, the national association for Amateur Radio ®
860-594-0236
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Mike’s points are well taken. At the same time, if Mr. Siddall were “reading the mail”, he would encounter issues where his advice, provided early on, could help the Board avoid mistakes or become aware of superior alternatives that they were not aware of. If our counsel is good, in the long run having him along for the ride should be valuable and cost effective. Also, though I can’t find the e-mail in a quick search, I believe that Mr. Siddall has stated that he does not charge for time reading the mail, just as he has said he doesn’t charge for time to accept phone calls of reasonable length. A final point—if Mr. Siddall rides along, whenever members of the Board feel that advice of counsel is appropriate, it will take him minimal time to get up to speed and provide that advice. If he is not on ODV, he will need to catch up (and I presume that time will be billable). Just my comments on the other sideband. ;-) 73, Greg, K0GW On Saturday, September 7, 2019, Michael Ritz <w7vo@comcast.net> wrote:
Here is my take on adding Mr. Siddall, K3ZJ to the ODV list: While as an insightful resource it'd be great to get his perspective on things, I have two considerations:
1. Mr. Siddall is essentially a highly paid consultant to the Board. I don't know what we have in the form of a contract with his firm, and don't know whether or not he's on any form of a retainer. If he's not on a retainer, he charges by the hour. Those hours are not inexpensive, and could potentially add up quickly if he's tasked with, or believes he is tasked with, researching a random question that comes up on ODV.
2. As a highly paid consultant, we probably should limit points of contact. Right now it's only select members of the EC that he's working with, on specific tasks related to the FCC filings. Would ODV be a distraction?
Just my two watts.
73;
Mike
W7VO
On September 4, 2019 at 5:10 PM Mark J Tharp <kb7hdx@gmail.com> wrote:
I seem to recall that discussion as well however do not recall the outcome.
IMHO I think we can include counsel via direct email and re-posts if necessary. As with Ria, I mean no disrespect to Mr. Siddall, but the ODV should be that, ODV.
Just the opinion of a back seat driver. :)
Mark, KB7HDX VD NW Div.
On Wed, Sep 4, 2019 at 1:58 PM rjairam@gmail.com < rjairam@gmail.com> wrote:
I also want to know.
And while I respect Mr. Siddall, I have to look back into my board book in January to see if we even allowed our counsel to be added to ODV. I do know Imlay was here but I thought that practice was now ended.
Need some clarity please. Let’s get this right.
Ria N2RJ
On Wed, Sep 4, 2019 at 4:55 PM Michael Ritz < w7vo@comcast.net> wrote:
"In accordance with Standing Order 89-1.43, I hope that newly elected Southwestern Division Vice Director Mark Weiss, K6FG, is added to the ODV list as soon as possible.
73,
Dick Norton, N6AA"
Question: Did Mark Weiss, K6FG, ever get added to the ODV reflector?
73; Mike
W7VO
On September 4, 2019 at 12:19 PM "Henderson, Dan N1ND" < dhenderson@arrl.org> wrote:
At the direction of President Roderick, I have added Mr. Siddall to the ODV reflector.
Thanks and 73
Dan Henderson, N1ND
Assistant Secretary – American Radio Relay League, Inc.
Regulatory Information Manager
ARRL, the national association for Amateur Radio ®
860-594-0236
dhenderson@arrl.org
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As long as Mr. Siddall agrees that ODV time does not result in billable hours, I have no other issues with him being on this reflector. Greg is correct in that his insight and experience would be a valuable asset. I just don't know what his contract stipulates as to what constitutes billable hours. 73; Mike W7VO
On September 7, 2019 at 12:17 PM G Widin <gpwidin@comcast.net> wrote:
Mike’s points are well taken. At the same time, if Mr. Siddall were “reading the mail”, he would encounter issues where his advice, provided early on, could help the Board avoid mistakes or become aware of superior alternatives that they were not aware of.
If our counsel is good, in the long run having him along for the ride should be valuable and cost effective. Also, though I can’t find the e-mail in a quick search, I believe that Mr. Siddall has stated that he does not charge for time reading the mail, just as he has said he doesn’t charge for time to accept phone calls of reasonable length.
A final point—if Mr. Siddall rides along, whenever members of the Board feel that advice of counsel is appropriate, it will take him minimal time to get up to speed and provide that advice. If he is not on ODV, he will need to catch up (and I presume that time will be billable).
Just my comments on the other sideband. ;-) 73, Greg, K0GW
On Saturday, September 7, 2019, Michael Ritz < w7vo@comcast.net mailto:w7vo@comcast.net > wrote:
> >
Here is my take on adding Mr. Siddall, K3ZJ to the ODV list: While as an insightful resource it'd be great to get his perspective on things, I have two considerations:
1. Mr. Siddall is essentially a highly paid consultant to the Board. I don't know what we have in the form of a contract with his firm, and don't know whether or not he's on any form of a retainer. If he's not on a retainer, he charges by the hour. Those hours are not inexpensive, and could potentially add up quickly if he's tasked with, or believes he is tasked with, researching a random question that comes up on ODV.
2. As a highly paid consultant, we probably should limit points of contact. Right now it's only select members of the EC that he's working with, on specific tasks related to the FCC filings. Would ODV be a distraction?
Just my two watts.
73;
Mike
W7VO
> > > On September 4, 2019 at 5:10 PM Mark J Tharp < kb7hdx@gmail.com mailto:kb7hdx@gmail.com > wrote:
I seem to recall that discussion as well however do not recall the outcome.
IMHO I think we can include counsel via direct email and re-posts if necessary. As with Ria, I mean no disrespect to Mr. Siddall, but the ODV should be that, ODV.
Just the opinion of a back seat driver. :)
Mark, KB7HDX VD NW Div.
On Wed, Sep 4, 2019 at 1:58 PM rjairam@gmail.com mailto:rjairam@gmail.com < rjairam@gmail.com mailto:rjairam@gmail.com > wrote:
> > > > I also want to know.
And while I respect Mr. Siddall, I have to look back into my board book in January to see if we even allowed our counsel to be added to ODV. I do know Imlay was here but I thought that practice was now ended.
Need some clarity please. Let’s get this right.
Ria N2RJ
On Wed, Sep 4, 2019 at 4:55 PM Michael Ritz < w7vo@comcast.net mailto:w7vo@comcast.net > wrote:
> > > > >
"In accordance with Standing Order 89-1.43, I hope that newly elected Southwestern Division Vice Director Mark Weiss, K6FG, is added to the ODV list as soon as possible.
73,
Dick Norton, N6AA"
Question: Did Mark Weiss, K6FG, ever get added to the ODV reflector?
73; Mike
W7VO
> > > > > > On September 4, 2019 at 12:19 PM "Henderson, Dan N1ND" < dhenderson@arrl.org mailto:dhenderson@arrl.org > wrote:
At the direction of President Roderick, I have added Mr. Siddall to the ODV reflector.
Thanks and 73
Dan Henderson, N1ND
Assistant Secretary – American Radio Relay League, Inc.
Regulatory Information Manager
ARRL, the national association for Amateur Radio ®
860-594-0236
dhenderson@arrl.org mailto:dhenderson@arrl.org
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To be clear, my concern only was with adhering to any resolutions we agreed on. I have no problems with adding him either, provided we aren’t going against a previous resolution. Ria, N2RJ On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 6:20 PM Michael Ritz <w7vo@comcast.net> wrote:
As long as Mr. Siddall agrees that ODV time does not result in billable hours, I have no other issues with him being on this reflector. Greg is correct in that his insight and experience would be a valuable asset. I just don't know what his contract stipulates as to what constitutes billable hours.
73;
Mike
W7VO
On September 7, 2019 at 12:17 PM G Widin <gpwidin@comcast.net> wrote:
Mike’s points are well taken. At the same time, if Mr. Siddall were “reading the mail”, he would encounter issues where his advice, provided early on, could help the Board avoid mistakes or become aware of superior alternatives that they were not aware of.
If our counsel is good, in the long run having him along for the ride should be valuable and cost effective. Also, though I can’t find the e-mail in a quick search, I believe that Mr. Siddall has stated that he does not charge for time reading the mail, just as he has said he doesn’t charge for time to accept phone calls of reasonable length.
A final point—if Mr. Siddall rides along, whenever members of the Board feel that advice of counsel is appropriate, it will take him minimal time to get up to speed and provide that advice. If he is not on ODV, he will need to catch up (and I presume that time will be billable).
Just my comments on the other sideband. ;-) 73, Greg, K0GW
On Saturday, September 7, 2019, Michael Ritz < w7vo@comcast.net> wrote:
Here is my take on adding Mr. Siddall, K3ZJ to the ODV list: While as an insightful resource it'd be great to get his perspective on things, I have two considerations:
1. Mr. Siddall is essentially a highly paid consultant to the Board. I don't know what we have in the form of a contract with his firm, and don't know whether or not he's on any form of a retainer. If he's not on a retainer, he charges by the hour. Those hours are not inexpensive, and could potentially add up quickly if he's tasked with, or believes he is tasked with, researching a random question that comes up on ODV.
2. As a highly paid consultant, we probably should limit points of contact. Right now it's only select members of the EC that he's working with, on specific tasks related to the FCC filings. Would ODV be a distraction?
Just my two watts.
73;
Mike
W7VO
On September 4, 2019 at 5:10 PM Mark J Tharp < kb7hdx@gmail.com> wrote:
I seem to recall that discussion as well however do not recall the outcome.
IMHO I think we can include counsel via direct email and re-posts if necessary. As with Ria, I mean no disrespect to Mr. Siddall, but the ODV should be that, ODV.
Just the opinion of a back seat driver. :)
Mark, KB7HDX VD NW Div.
On Wed, Sep 4, 2019 at 1:58 PM rjairam@gmail.com < rjairam@gmail.com> wrote:
I also want to know.
And while I respect Mr. Siddall, I have to look back into my board book in January to see if we even allowed our counsel to be added to ODV. I do know Imlay was here but I thought that practice was now ended.
Need some clarity please. Let’s get this right.
Ria N2RJ
On Wed, Sep 4, 2019 at 4:55 PM Michael Ritz < w7vo@comcast.net> wrote:
"In accordance with Standing Order 89-1.43, I hope that newly elected Southwestern Division Vice Director Mark Weiss, K6FG, is added to the ODV list as soon as possible.
73,
Dick Norton, N6AA"
Question: Did Mark Weiss, K6FG, ever get added to the ODV reflector?
73; Mike
W7VO
On September 4, 2019 at 12:19 PM "Henderson, Dan N1ND" < dhenderson@arrl.org> wrote:
At the direction of President Roderick, I have added Mr. Siddall to the ODV reflector.
Thanks and 73
Dan Henderson, N1ND
Assistant Secretary – American Radio Relay League, Inc.
Regulatory Information Manager
ARRL, the national association for Amateur Radio ®
860-594-0236
dhenderson@arrl.org
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To Ria's question, Dan researched it and can find nothing in the minutes or elsewhere stating counsel should not be added to reflectors. By precedent, Atty Imlay was on ODV and the EC reflectors. Regarding charges, in January Atty Siddall told me he would not charge for reading short emails, but I don't have anything in writing, or exact details about what constitutes "short." His contract specifies that he will not charge for phone calls of five minutes or less. When Atty Siddall was first contracted, he wasn’t sure whether it would be helpful for him to be on ODV. Since then he has reached out to Dan, me and I believe Rick saying that it would be helpful to have a better understanding of the Board's thinking when he is writing filings, etc. I think the above answers the open questions. Rick, I don't think you need a formal motion or a vote, but as a courtesy to the Board, you should confirm there are no other objections to adding Atty Siddall to ODV. 73, Howard On 9/7/2019 7:17 PM, rjairam@gmail.com<mailto:rjairam@gmail.com> wrote: To be clear, my concern only was with adhering to any resolutions we agreed on. I have no problems with adding him either, provided we aren’t going against a previous resolution. Ria, N2RJ On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 6:20 PM Michael Ritz <w7vo@comcast.net<mailto:w7vo@comcast.net>> wrote: As long as Mr. Siddall agrees that ODV time does not result in billable hours, I have no other issues with him being on this reflector. Greg is correct in that his insight and experience would be a valuable asset. I just don't know what his contract stipulates as to what constitutes billable hours. 73; Mike W7VO On September 7, 2019 at 12:17 PM G Widin <gpwidin@comcast.net<mailto:gpwidin@comcast.net>> wrote: Mike’s points are well taken. At the same time, if Mr. Siddall were “reading the mail”, he would encounter issues where his advice, provided early on, could help the Board avoid mistakes or become aware of superior alternatives that they were not aware of. If our counsel is good, in the long run having him along for the ride should be valuable and cost effective. Also, though I can’t find the e-mail in a quick search, I believe that Mr. Siddall has stated that he does not charge for time reading the mail, just as he has said he doesn’t charge for time to accept phone calls of reasonable length. A final point—if Mr. Siddall rides along, whenever members of the Board feel that advice of counsel is appropriate, it will take him minimal time to get up to speed and provide that advice. If he is not on ODV, he will need to catch up (and I presume that time will be billable). Just my comments on the other sideband. ;-) 73, Greg, K0GW On Saturday, September 7, 2019, Michael Ritz < w7vo@comcast.net<mailto:w7vo@comcast.net>> wrote: Here is my take on adding Mr. Siddall, K3ZJ to the ODV list: While as an insightful resource it'd be great to get his perspective on things, I have two considerations: 1. Mr. Siddall is essentially a highly paid consultant to the Board. I don't know what we have in the form of a contract with his firm, and don't know whether or not he's on any form of a retainer. If he's not on a retainer, he charges by the hour. Those hours are not inexpensive, and could potentially add up quickly if he's tasked with, or believes he is tasked with, researching a random question that comes up on ODV. 2. As a highly paid consultant, we probably should limit points of contact. Right now it's only select members of the EC that he's working with, on specific tasks related to the FCC filings. Would ODV be a distraction? Just my two watts. 73; Mike W7VO On September 4, 2019 at 5:10 PM Mark J Tharp < kb7hdx@gmail.com<mailto:kb7hdx@gmail.com>> wrote: I seem to recall that discussion as well however do not recall the outcome. IMHO I think we can include counsel via direct email and re-posts if necessary. As with Ria, I mean no disrespect to Mr. Siddall, but the ODV should be that, ODV. Just the opinion of a back seat driver. :) Mark, KB7HDX VD NW Div. On Wed, Sep 4, 2019 at 1:58 PM rjairam@gmail.com<mailto:rjairam@gmail.com> < rjairam@gmail.com<mailto:rjairam@gmail.com>> wrote: I also want to know. And while I respect Mr. Siddall, I have to look back into my board book in January to see if we even allowed our counsel to be added to ODV. I do know Imlay was here but I thought that practice was now ended. Need some clarity please. Let’s get this right. Ria N2RJ On Wed, Sep 4, 2019 at 4:55 PM Michael Ritz < w7vo@comcast.net<mailto:w7vo@comcast.net>> wrote: "In accordance with Standing Order 89-1.43, I hope that newly elected Southwestern Division Vice Director Mark Weiss, K6FG, is added to the ODV list as soon as possible. 73, Dick Norton, N6AA" Question: Did Mark Weiss, K6FG, ever get added to the ODV reflector? 73; Mike W7VO On September 4, 2019 at 12:19 PM "Henderson, Dan N1ND" < dhenderson@arrl.org<mailto:dhenderson@arrl.org>> wrote: At the direction of President Roderick, I have added Mr. Siddall to the ODV reflector. Thanks and 73 Dan Henderson, N1ND Assistant Secretary – American Radio Relay League, Inc. 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No objection. -Fred K1VR From: arrl-odv [mailto:arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org] On Behalf Of Michel, Howard, WB2ITX (CEO) Sent: Monday, September 09, 2019 4:43 PM To: Jairam, Ria, N2RJ, (Dir, HD); Ritz, Mike, W7VO, (Dir, NW) Cc: arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:28728] Re: Addition of Mr. Siddall to ODV To Ria's question, Dan researched it and can find nothing in the minutes or elsewhere stating counsel should not be added to reflectors. By precedent, Atty Imlay was on ODV and the EC reflectors. Regarding charges, in January Atty Siddall told me he would not charge for reading short emails, but I don't have anything in writing, or exact details about what constitutes "short." His contract specifies that he will not charge for phone calls of five minutes or less. When Atty Siddall was first contracted, he wasn't sure whether it would be helpful for him to be on ODV. Since then he has reached out to Dan, me and I believe Rick saying that it would be helpful to have a better understanding of the Board's thinking when he is writing filings, etc. I think the above answers the open questions. Rick, I don't think you need a formal motion or a vote, but as a courtesy to the Board, you should confirm there are no other objections to adding Atty Siddall to ODV. 73, Howard On 9/7/2019 7:17 PM, rjairam@gmail.com wrote: To be clear, my concern only was with adhering to any resolutions we agreed on. I have no problems with adding him either, provided we aren't going against a previous resolution. Ria, N2RJ On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 6:20 PM Michael Ritz <w7vo@comcast.net> wrote: As long as Mr. Siddall agrees that ODV time does not result in billable hours, I have no other issues with him being on this reflector. Greg is correct in that his insight and experience would be a valuable asset. I just don't know what his contract stipulates as to what constitutes billable hours. 73; Mike W7VO On September 7, 2019 at 12:17 PM G Widin <gpwidin@comcast.net> wrote: Mike's points are well taken. At the same time, if Mr. Siddall were "reading the mail", he would encounter issues where his advice, provided early on, could help the Board avoid mistakes or become aware of superior alternatives that they were not aware of. If our counsel is good, in the long run having him along for the ride should be valuable and cost effective. Also, though I can't find the e-mail in a quick search, I believe that Mr. Siddall has stated that he does not charge for time reading the mail, just as he has said he doesn't charge for time to accept phone calls of reasonable length. A final point-if Mr. Siddall rides along, whenever members of the Board feel that advice of counsel is appropriate, it will take him minimal time to get up to speed and provide that advice. If he is not on ODV, he will need to catch up (and I presume that time will be billable). Just my comments on the other sideband. ;-) 73, Greg, K0GW On Saturday, September 7, 2019, Michael Ritz < w7vo@comcast.net> wrote: Here is my take on adding Mr. Siddall, K3ZJ to the ODV list: While as an insightful resource it'd be great to get his perspective on things, I have two considerations: 1. Mr. Siddall is essentially a highly paid consultant to the Board. I don't know what we have in the form of a contract with his firm, and don't know whether or not he's on any form of a retainer. If he's not on a retainer, he charges by the hour. Those hours are not inexpensive, and could potentially add up quickly if he's tasked with, or believes he is tasked with, researching a random question that comes up on ODV. 2. As a highly paid consultant, we probably should limit points of contact. Right now it's only select members of the EC that he's working with, on specific tasks related to the FCC filings. Would ODV be a distraction? Just my two watts. 73; Mike W7VO On September 4, 2019 at 5:10 PM Mark J Tharp < kb7hdx@gmail.com> wrote: I seem to recall that discussion as well however do not recall the outcome. IMHO I think we can include counsel via direct email and re-posts if necessary. As with Ria, I mean no disrespect to Mr. Siddall, but the ODV should be that, ODV. Just the opinion of a back seat driver. :) Mark, KB7HDX VD NW Div. On Wed, Sep 4, 2019 at 1:58 PM rjairam@gmail.com < rjairam@gmail.com> wrote: I also want to know. And while I respect Mr. Siddall, I have to look back into my board book in January to see if we even allowed our counsel to be added to ODV. I do know Imlay was here but I thought that practice was now ended. Need some clarity please. Let's get this right. Ria N2RJ On Wed, Sep 4, 2019 at 4:55 PM Michael Ritz < w7vo@comcast.net> wrote: "In accordance with Standing Order 89-1.43, I hope that newly elected Southwestern Division Vice Director Mark Weiss, K6FG, is added to the ODV list as soon as possible. 73, Dick Norton, N6AA" Question: Did Mark Weiss, K6FG, ever get added to the ODV reflector? 73; Mike W7VO On September 4, 2019 at 12:19 PM "Henderson, Dan N1ND" < dhenderson@arrl.org> wrote: At the direction of President Roderick, I have added Mr. Siddall to the ODV reflector. Thanks and 73 Dan Henderson, N1ND Assistant Secretary - American Radio Relay League, Inc. 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Thanks info, Howard. What say folks? "Yes" or "no" to adding Dave to ODV. 73Rick - K5UR -----Original Message----- From: Michel, Howard, WB2ITX (CEO) <wb2itx@arrl.org> To: Jairam, Ria, N2RJ, (Dir, HD) <rjairam@gmail.com>; Ritz, Mike, W7VO, (Dir, NW) <w7vo@comcast.net> Cc: arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> Sent: Mon, Sep 9, 2019 3:43 pm Subject: [arrl-odv:28728] Re: Addition of Mr. Siddall to ODV To Ria's question, Dan researched it and can find nothing in the minutes or elsewhere stating counsel should not be added to reflectors. By precedent, Atty Imlay was on ODV and the EC reflectors.Regarding charges, in January Atty Siddall told me he would not charge for reading short emails, but I don't have anything in writing, or exact details about what constitutes "short." His contract specifies that he will not charge for phone calls of five minutes or less.When Atty Siddall was first contracted, he wasn’t sure whether it would be helpful for him to be on ODV. Since then he has reached out to Dan, me and I believe Rick saying that it would be helpful to have a better understanding of the Board's thinking when he is writing filings, etc.I think the above answers the open questions. Rick, I don't think you need a formal motion or a vote, but as a courtesy to the Board, you should confirm there are no other objections to adding Atty Siddall to ODV. 73, Howard On 9/7/2019 7:17 PM, rjairam@gmail.com wrote: To be clear, my concern only was with adhering to any resolutions we agreed on. I have no problems with adding him either, provided we aren’t going against a previous resolution. Ria, N2RJ On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 6:20 PM Michael Ritz <w7vo@comcast.net> wrote: As long as Mr. Siddall agrees that ODV time does not result in billable hours, I have no other issues with him being on this reflector. Greg is correct in that his insight and experience would be a valuable asset. I just don't know what his contract stipulates as to what constitutes billable hours. 73;MikeW7VO On September 7, 2019 at 12:17 PM G Widin <gpwidin@comcast.net> wrote: Mike’s points are well taken.At the same time, if Mr. Siddall were “reading the mail”, he would encounter issues where his advice, provided early on, could help the Board avoid mistakes or become aware of superior alternatives that they were not aware of. If our counsel is good, in the long run having him along for the ride should be valuable and cost effective. Also, though I can’t find the e-mail in a quick search, I believe that Mr. Siddall has stated that he does not charge for time reading the mail, just as he has said he doesn’t charge for time to accept phone calls of reasonable length. A final point—if Mr. Siddall rides along, whenever members of the Board feel that advice of counsel is appropriate, it will take him minimal time to get up to speed and provide that advice. If he is not on ODV, he will need to catch up (and I presume that time will be billable). Just my comments on the other sideband. ;-)73, Greg, K0GW On Saturday, September 7, 2019, Michael Ritz < w7vo@comcast.net> wrote: Here is my take on adding Mr. Siddall, K3ZJ to the ODV list: While as an insightful resource it'd be great to get his perspective on things, I have two considerations: 1. Mr. Siddall is essentially a highly paid consultant to the Board. I don't know what we have in the form of a contract with his firm, and don't know whether or not he's on any form of a retainer. If he's not on a retainer, he charges by the hour. Those hours are not inexpensive, and could potentially add up quickly if he's tasked with, or believes he is tasked with, researching a random question that comes up on ODV. 2. As a highly paid consultant, we probably should limit points of contact. Right now it's only select members of the EC that he's working with, on specific tasks related to the FCC filings. Would ODV be a distraction? Just my two watts. 73;MikeW7VO On September 4, 2019 at 5:10 PM Mark J Tharp < kb7hdx@gmail.com> wrote: I seem to recall that discussion as well however do not recall the outcome. IMHO I think we can include counsel via direct email and re-posts if necessary. As with Ria, I mean no disrespect to Mr. Siddall, but the ODV should be that, ODV. Just the opinion of a back seat driver. :) Mark, KB7HDXVD NW Div. On Wed, Sep 4, 2019 at 1:58 PM rjairam@gmail.com < rjairam@gmail.com> wrote: I also want to know. And while I respect Mr. Siddall, I have to look back into my board book in January to see if we even allowed our counsel to be added to ODV. I do know Imlay was here but I thought that practice was now ended. Need some clarity please. Let’s get this right. RiaN2RJ On Wed, Sep 4, 2019 at 4:55 PM Michael Ritz < w7vo@comcast.net> wrote: "In accordance with Standing Order 89-1.43, I hope that newly elected Southwestern Division Vice Director Mark Weiss, K6FG, is added to the ODV list as soon as possible. 73, Dick Norton, N6AA" Question: Did Mark Weiss, K6FG, ever get added to the ODV reflector? 73; MikeW7VO On September 4, 2019 at 12:19 PM "Henderson, Dan N1ND" < dhenderson@arrl.org> wrote: At the direction of President Roderick, I have added Mr. Siddall to the ODV reflector. 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I vote yes. 73 Ria, N2RJ On Mon, 9 Sep 2019 at 22:04, <k5ur@aol.com> wrote:
Thanks info, Howard.
What say folks? "Yes" or "no" to adding Dave to ODV.
73 Rick - K5UR
-----Original Message----- From: Michel, Howard, WB2ITX (CEO) <wb2itx@arrl.org> To: Jairam, Ria, N2RJ, (Dir, HD) <rjairam@gmail.com>; Ritz, Mike, W7VO, (Dir, NW) <w7vo@comcast.net> Cc: arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> Sent: Mon, Sep 9, 2019 3:43 pm Subject: [arrl-odv:28728] Re: Addition of Mr. Siddall to ODV
To Ria's question, Dan researched it and can find nothing in the minutes or elsewhere stating counsel should not be added to reflectors. By precedent, Atty Imlay was on ODV and the EC reflectors. Regarding charges, in January Atty Siddall told me he would not charge for reading short emails, but I don't have anything in writing, or exact details about what constitutes "short." His contract specifies that he will not charge for phone calls of five minutes or less. When Atty Siddall was first contracted, he wasn’t sure whether it would be helpful for him to be on ODV. Since then he has reached out to Dan, me and I believe Rick saying that it would be helpful to have a better understanding of the Board's thinking when he is writing filings, etc. I think the above answers the open questions. Rick, I don't think you need a formal motion or a vote, but as a courtesy to the Board, you should confirm there are no other objections to adding Atty Siddall to ODV. 73, Howard
On 9/7/2019 7:17 PM, rjairam@gmail.com wrote:
To be clear, my concern only was with adhering to any resolutions we agreed on.
I have no problems with adding him either, provided we aren’t going against a previous resolution.
Ria, N2RJ
On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 6:20 PM Michael Ritz <w7vo@comcast.net> wrote:
As long as Mr. Siddall agrees that ODV time does not result in billable hours, I have no other issues with him being on this reflector. Greg is correct in that his insight and experience would be a valuable asset. I just don't know what his contract stipulates as to what constitutes billable hours.
73; Mike W7VO
On September 7, 2019 at 12:17 PM G Widin <gpwidin@comcast.net> wrote:
Mike’s points are well taken. At the same time, if Mr. Siddall were “reading the mail”, he would encounter issues where his advice, provided early on, could help the Board avoid mistakes or become aware of superior alternatives that they were not aware of.
If our counsel is good, in the long run having him along for the ride should be valuable and cost effective. Also, though I can’t find the e-mail in a quick search, I believe that Mr. Siddall has stated that he does not charge for time reading the mail, just as he has said he doesn’t charge for time to accept phone calls of reasonable length.
A final point—if Mr. Siddall rides along, whenever members of the Board feel that advice of counsel is appropriate, it will take him minimal time to get up to speed and provide that advice. If he is not on ODV, he will need to catch up (and I presume that time will be billable).
Just my comments on the other sideband. ;-) 73, Greg, K0GW
On Saturday, September 7, 2019, Michael Ritz < w7vo@comcast.net> wrote:
Here is my take on adding Mr. Siddall, K3ZJ to the ODV list: While as an insightful resource it'd be great to get his perspective on things, I have two considerations:
1. Mr. Siddall is essentially a highly paid consultant to the Board. I don't know what we have in the form of a contract with his firm, and don't know whether or not he's on any form of a retainer. If he's not on a retainer, he charges by the hour. Those hours are not inexpensive, and could potentially add up quickly if he's tasked with, or believes he is tasked with, researching a random question that comes up on ODV.
2. As a highly paid consultant, we probably should limit points of contact. Right now it's only select members of the EC that he's working with, on specific tasks related to the FCC filings. Would ODV be a distraction?
Just my two watts.
73; Mike W7VO
On September 4, 2019 at 5:10 PM Mark J Tharp < kb7hdx@gmail.com> wrote:
I seem to recall that discussion as well however do not recall the outcome.
IMHO I think we can include counsel via direct email and re-posts if necessary. As with Ria, I mean no disrespect to Mr. Siddall, but the ODV should be that, ODV.
Just the opinion of a back seat driver. :)
Mark, KB7HDX VD NW Div.
On Wed, Sep 4, 2019 at 1:58 PM rjairam@gmail.com < rjairam@gmail.com> wrote:
I also want to know.
And while I respect Mr. Siddall, I have to look back into my board book in January to see if we even allowed our counsel to be added to ODV. I do know Imlay was here but I thought that practice was now ended.
Need some clarity please. Let’s get this right.
Ria N2RJ
On Wed, Sep 4, 2019 at 4:55 PM Michael Ritz < w7vo@comcast.net> wrote:
"In accordance with Standing Order 89-1.43, I hope that newly elected Southwestern Division Vice Director Mark Weiss, K6FG, is added to the ODV list as soon as possible. 73,
Dick Norton, N6AA"
Question: Did Mark Weiss, K6FG, ever get added to the ODV reflector?
73; Mike W7VO
On September 4, 2019 at 12:19 PM "Henderson, Dan N1ND" < dhenderson@arrl.org> wrote:
At the direction of President Roderick, I have added Mr. Siddall to the ODV reflector.
Thanks and 73
Dan Henderson, N1ND Assistant Secretary – American Radio Relay League, Inc. Regulatory Information Manager ARRL, the national association for Amateur Radio ® 860-594-0236 dhenderson@arrl.org
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No issue here, just wanted to make sure it was square from January as Ria and I both seemed to recall a discussion. On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 7:06 PM rjairam@gmail.com <rjairam@gmail.com> wrote:
I vote yes.
73 Ria, N2RJ
On Mon, 9 Sep 2019 at 22:04, <k5ur@aol.com> wrote:
Thanks info, Howard.
What say folks? "Yes" or "no" to adding Dave to ODV.
73 Rick - K5UR
-----Original Message----- From: Michel, Howard, WB2ITX (CEO) <wb2itx@arrl.org> To: Jairam, Ria, N2RJ, (Dir, HD) <rjairam@gmail.com>; Ritz, Mike, W7VO,
(Dir, NW) <w7vo@comcast.net>
Cc: arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> Sent: Mon, Sep 9, 2019 3:43 pm Subject: [arrl-odv:28728] Re: Addition of Mr. Siddall to ODV
To Ria's question, Dan researched it and can find nothing in the minutes or elsewhere stating counsel should not be added to reflectors. By precedent, Atty Imlay was on ODV and the EC reflectors. Regarding charges, in January Atty Siddall told me he would not charge for reading short emails, but I don't have anything in writing, or exact details about what constitutes "short." His contract specifies that he will not charge for phone calls of five minutes or less. When Atty Siddall was first contracted, he wasn’t sure whether it would be helpful for him to be on ODV. Since then he has reached out to Dan, me and I believe Rick saying that it would be helpful to have a better understanding of the Board's thinking when he is writing filings, etc. I think the above answers the open questions. Rick, I don't think you need a formal motion or a vote, but as a courtesy to the Board, you should confirm there are no other objections to adding Atty Siddall to ODV. 73, Howard
On 9/7/2019 7:17 PM, rjairam@gmail.com wrote:
To be clear, my concern only was with adhering to any resolutions we agreed on.
I have no problems with adding him either, provided we aren’t going against a previous resolution.
Ria, N2RJ
On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 6:20 PM Michael Ritz <w7vo@comcast.net> wrote:
As long as Mr. Siddall agrees that ODV time does not result in billable hours, I have no other issues with him being on this reflector. Greg is correct in that his insight and experience would be a valuable asset. I just don't know what his contract stipulates as to what constitutes billable hours.
73; Mike W7VO
On September 7, 2019 at 12:17 PM G Widin <gpwidin@comcast.net> wrote:
Mike’s points are well taken. At the same time, if Mr. Siddall were “reading the mail”, he would encounter issues where his advice, provided early on, could help the Board avoid mistakes or become aware of superior alternatives that they were not aware of.
If our counsel is good, in the long run having him along for the ride should be valuable and cost effective. Also, though I can’t find the e-mail in a quick search, I believe that Mr. Siddall has stated that he does not charge for time reading the mail, just as he has said he doesn’t charge for time to accept phone calls of reasonable length.
A final point—if Mr. Siddall rides along, whenever members of the Board feel that advice of counsel is appropriate, it will take him minimal time to get up to speed and provide that advice. If he is not on ODV, he will need to catch up (and I presume that time will be billable).
Just my comments on the other sideband. ;-) 73, Greg, K0GW
On Saturday, September 7, 2019, Michael Ritz < w7vo@comcast.net> wrote:
Here is my take on adding Mr. Siddall, K3ZJ to the ODV list: While as an insightful resource it'd be great to get his perspective on things, I have two considerations:
1. Mr. Siddall is essentially a highly paid consultant to the Board. I don't know what we have in the form of a contract with his firm, and don't know whether or not he's on any form of a retainer. If he's not on a retainer, he charges by the hour. Those hours are not inexpensive, and could potentially add up quickly if he's tasked with, or believes he is tasked with, researching a random question that comes up on ODV.
2. As a highly paid consultant, we probably should limit points of contact. Right now it's only select members of the EC that he's working with, on specific tasks related to the FCC filings. Would ODV be a distraction?
Just my two watts.
73; Mike W7VO
On September 4, 2019 at 5:10 PM Mark J Tharp < kb7hdx@gmail.com> wrote:
I seem to recall that discussion as well however do not recall the outcome.
IMHO I think we can include counsel via direct email and re-posts if necessary. As with Ria, I mean no disrespect to Mr. Siddall, but the ODV should be that, ODV.
Just the opinion of a back seat driver. :)
Mark, KB7HDX VD NW Div.
On Wed, Sep 4, 2019 at 1:58 PM rjairam@gmail.com < rjairam@gmail.com> wrote:
I also want to know.
And while I respect Mr. Siddall, I have to look back into my board book in January to see if we even allowed our counsel to be added to ODV. I do know Imlay was here but I thought that practice was now ended.
Need some clarity please. Let’s get this right.
Ria N2RJ
On Wed, Sep 4, 2019 at 4:55 PM Michael Ritz < w7vo@comcast.net> wrote:
"In accordance with Standing Order 89-1.43, I hope that newly elected Southwestern Division Vice Director Mark Weiss, K6FG, is added to the ODV list as soon as possible. 73,
Dick Norton, N6AA"
Question: Did Mark Weiss, K6FG, ever get added to the ODV reflector?
73; Mike W7VO
On September 4, 2019 at 12:19 PM "Henderson, Dan N1ND" < dhenderson@arrl.org> wrote:
At the direction of President Roderick, I have added Mr. Siddall to the ODV reflector.
Thanks and 73
Dan Henderson, N1ND Assistant Secretary – American Radio Relay League, Inc. Regulatory Information Manager ARRL, the national association for Amateur Radio ® 860-594-0236 dhenderson@arrl.org
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"Regarding charges, in January Atty Siddall told me he would not charge for reading short emails, but I don't have anything in writing, or exact details about what constitutes "short." Only my question as noted above related to potential costs, otherwise "yea". 73; Mike W7VO
On September 9, 2019 at 7:04 PM "Roderick, Rick, K5UR via arrl-odv" <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> wrote:
Thanks info, Howard.
What say folks? "Yes" or "no" to adding Dave to ODV.
73 Rick - K5UR
-----Original Message----- From: Michel, Howard, WB2ITX (CEO) <wb2itx@arrl.org> To: Jairam, Ria, N2RJ, (Dir, HD) <rjairam@gmail.com>; Ritz, Mike, W7VO, (Dir, NW) <w7vo@comcast.net> Cc: arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> Sent: Mon, Sep 9, 2019 3:43 pm Subject: [arrl-odv:28728] Re: Addition of Mr. Siddall to ODV
To Ria's question, Dan researched it and can find nothing in the minutes or elsewhere stating counsel should not be added to reflectors. By precedent, Atty Imlay was on ODV and the EC reflectors. " His contract specifies that he will not charge for phone calls of five minutes or less. When Atty Siddall was first contracted, he wasn’t sure whether it would be helpful for him to be on ODV. Since then he has reached out to Dan, me and I believe Rick saying that it would be helpful to have a better understanding of the Board's thinking when he is writing filings, etc. I think the above answers the open questions. Rick, I don't think you need a formal motion or a vote, but as a courtesy to the Board, you should confirm there are no other objections to adding Atty Siddall to ODV. 73, Howard
On 9/7/2019 7:17 PM, rjairam@gmail.com mailto:rjairam@gmail.com wrote:
> > To be clear, my concern only was with adhering to any resolutions we agreed on.
I have no problems with adding him either, provided we aren’t going against a previous resolution.
Ria, N2RJ
On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 6:20 PM Michael Ritz < w7vo@comcast.net mailto:w7vo@comcast.net > wrote:
> > > As long as Mr. Siddall agrees that ODV time does not result in billable hours, I have no other issues with him being on this reflector. Greg is correct in that his insight and experience would be a valuable asset. I just don't know what his contract stipulates as to what constitutes billable hours.
73; Mike W7VO
> > > > On September 7, 2019 at 12:17 PM G Widin < gpwidin@comcast.net mailto:gpwidin@comcast.net > wrote:
Mike’s points are well taken. At the same time, if Mr. Siddall were “reading the mail”, he would encounter issues where his advice, provided early on, could help the Board avoid mistakes or become aware of superior alternatives that they were not aware of.
If our counsel is good, in the long run having him along for the ride should be valuable and cost effective. Also, though I can’t find the e-mail in a quick search, I believe that Mr. Siddall has stated that he does not charge for time reading the mail, just as he has said he doesn’t charge for time to accept phone calls of reasonable length.
A final point—if Mr. Siddall rides along, whenever members of the Board feel that advice of counsel is appropriate, it will take him minimal time to get up to speed and provide that advice. If he is not on ODV, he will need to catch up (and I presume that time will be billable).
Just my comments on the other sideband. ;-) 73, Greg, K0GW
On Saturday, September 7, 2019, Michael Ritz < w7vo@comcast.net mailto:w7vo@comcast.net > wrote:
> > > > > Here is my take on adding Mr. Siddall, K3ZJ to the ODV list: While as an insightful resource it'd be great to get his perspective on things, I have two considerations:
1. Mr. Siddall is essentially a highly paid consultant to the Board. I don't know what we have in the form of a contract with his firm, and don't know whether or not he's on any form of a retainer. If he's not on a retainer, he charges by the hour. Those hours are not inexpensive, and could potentially add up quickly if he's tasked with, or believes he is tasked with, researching a random question that comes up on ODV.
2. As a highly paid consultant, we probably should limit points of contact. Right now it's only select members of the EC that he's working with, on specific tasks related to the FCC filings. Would ODV be a distraction?
Just my two watts.
73; Mike W7VO
> > > > > > On September 4, 2019 at 5:10 PM Mark J Tharp < kb7hdx@gmail.com mailto:kb7hdx@gmail.com > wrote:
I seem to recall that discussion as well however do not recall the outcome.
IMHO I think we can include counsel via direct email and re-posts if necessary. As with Ria, I mean no disrespect to Mr. Siddall, but the ODV should be that, ODV.
Just the opinion of a back seat driver. :)
Mark, KB7HDX VD NW Div.
On Wed, Sep 4, 2019 at 1:58 PM rjairam@gmail.com mailto:rjairam@gmail.com < rjairam@gmail.com mailto:rjairam@gmail.com > wrote:
> > > > > > > I also want to know. > > And while I respect Mr. Siddall, I have to look back into my board book in January to see if we even allowed our counsel to be added to ODV. I do know Imlay was here but I thought that practice was now ended. > > Need some clarity please. Let’s get this right. > > Ria > N2RJ > > On Wed, Sep 4, 2019 at 4:55 PM Michael Ritz < w7vo@comcast.net mailto:w7vo@comcast.net > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > "In accordance with Standing Order 89-1.43, I hope that newly elected Southwestern Division Vice Director Mark Weiss, K6FG, is added to the ODV list as soon as possible. > > 73, > > > > Dick Norton, N6AA" > > > > > > Question: Did Mark Weiss, K6FG, ever get added to the ODV reflector? > > > > 73; > > Mike > > W7VO > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On September 4, 2019 at 12:19 PM "Henderson, Dan N1ND" < dhenderson@arrl.org mailto:dhenderson@arrl.org > wrote: > > > > > > At the direction of President Roderick, I have added Mr. Siddall to the ODV reflector. > > > > > > Thanks and 73 > > > > > > Dan Henderson, N1ND > > > Assistant Secretary – American Radio Relay League, Inc. > > > Regulatory Information Manager > > > ARRL, the national association for Amateur Radio ® > > > 860-594-0236 > > > dhenderson@arrl.org mailto:dhenderson@arrl.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________ _________________ > > > arrl-odv mailing list > > > arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org > > > https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________ _________________ > > arrl-odv mailing list > > arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org > > https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________ _________________ > arrl-odv mailing list > arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org > https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv > > > > > > > > ______________________________ _________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv
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Mike, my expectation is that he will not charge for reading emails. That is what he's stated before. However, if he gets on ODV and we start engaging him in dialogue of substance more than de minims time and becomes actual work (and I don't know where that line is), then he might charge for that time. That is something A&F can monitor when his bills are received. I'd suggest we try it and see how it goes. 73Rick - K5UR -----Original Message----- From: Michael Ritz <w7vo@comcast.net> To: k5ur <k5ur@aol.com>; Roderick, Rick, K5UR via arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org>; wb2itx <wb2itx@arrl.org>; rjairam <rjairam@gmail.com> Sent: Mon, Sep 9, 2019 9:08 pm Subject: [arrl-odv:28734] Re: Addition of Mr. Siddall to ODV "Regarding charges, in January Atty Siddall told me he would not charge for reading short emails, but I don't have anything in writing, or exact details about what constitutes "short." Only my question as noted above related to potential costs, otherwise "yea". 73;MikeW7VO On September 9, 2019 at 7:04 PM "Roderick, Rick, K5UR via arrl-odv" <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> wrote: Thanks info, Howard. What say folks? "Yes" or "no" to adding Dave to ODV. 73Rick - K5UR -----Original Message----- From: Michel, Howard, WB2ITX (CEO) <wb2itx@arrl.org> To: Jairam, Ria, N2RJ, (Dir, HD) <rjairam@gmail.com>; Ritz, Mike, W7VO, (Dir, NW) <w7vo@comcast.net> Cc: arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> Sent: Mon, Sep 9, 2019 3:43 pm Subject: [arrl-odv:28728] Re: Addition of Mr. Siddall to ODV To Ria's question, Dan researched it and can find nothing in the minutes or elsewhere stating counsel should not be added to reflectors. By precedent, Atty Imlay was on ODV and the EC reflectors." His contract specifies that he will not charge for phone calls of five minutes or less.When Atty Siddall was first contracted, he wasn’t sure whether it would be helpful for him to be on ODV. Since then he has reached out to Dan, me and I believe Rick saying that it would be helpful to have a better understanding of the Board's thinking when he is writing filings, etc.I think the above answers the open questions. Rick, I don't think you need a formal motion or a vote, but as a courtesy to the Board, you should confirm there are no other objections to adding Atty Siddall to ODV. 73, Howard On 9/7/2019 7:17 PM, rjairam@gmail.com wrote: To be clear, my concern only was with adhering to any resolutions we agreed on. I have no problems with adding him either, provided we aren’t going against a previous resolution. Ria, N2RJ On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 6:20 PM Michael Ritz < w7vo@comcast.net> wrote: As long as Mr. Siddall agrees that ODV time does not result in billable hours, I have no other issues with him being on this reflector. Greg is correct in that his insight and experience would be a valuable asset. I just don't know what his contract stipulates as to what constitutes billable hours. 73;MikeW7VO On September 7, 2019 at 12:17 PM G Widin < gpwidin@comcast.net> wrote: Mike’s points are well taken.At the same time, if Mr. Siddall were “reading the mail”, he would encounter issues where his advice, provided early on, could help the Board avoid mistakes or become aware of superior alternatives that they were not aware of. If our counsel is good, in the long run having him along for the ride should be valuable and cost effective. Also, though I can’t find the e-mail in a quick search, I believe that Mr. Siddall has stated that he does not charge for time reading the mail, just as he has said he doesn’t charge for time to accept phone calls of reasonable length. A final point—if Mr. Siddall rides along, whenever members of the Board feel that advice of counsel is appropriate, it will take him minimal time to get up to speed and provide that advice. If he is not on ODV, he will need to catch up (and I presume that time will be billable). Just my comments on the other sideband. ;-)73, Greg, K0GW On Saturday, September 7, 2019, Michael Ritz < w7vo@comcast.net> wrote: Here is my take on adding Mr. Siddall, K3ZJ to the ODV list: While as an insightful resource it'd be great to get his perspective on things, I have two considerations: 1. Mr. Siddall is essentially a highly paid consultant to the Board. I don't know what we have in the form of a contract with his firm, and don't know whether or not he's on any form of a retainer. If he's not on a retainer, he charges by the hour. Those hours are not inexpensive, and could potentially add up quickly if he's tasked with, or believes he is tasked with, researching a random question that comes up on ODV. 2. As a highly paid consultant, we probably should limit points of contact. Right now it's only select members of the EC that he's working with, on specific tasks related to the FCC filings. Would ODV be a distraction? Just my two watts. 73;MikeW7VO On September 4, 2019 at 5:10 PM Mark J Tharp < kb7hdx@gmail.com> wrote: I seem to recall that discussion as well however do not recall the outcome. IMHO I think we can include counsel via direct email and re-posts if necessary. As with Ria, I mean no disrespect to Mr. Siddall, but the ODV should be that, ODV. Just the opinion of a back seat driver. :) Mark, KB7HDXVD NW Div. On Wed, Sep 4, 2019 at 1:58 PM rjairam@gmail.com < rjairam@gmail.com> wrote: I also want to know. And while I respect Mr. Siddall, I have to look back into my board book in January to see if we even allowed our counsel to be added to ODV. I do know Imlay was here but I thought that practice was now ended. Need some clarity please. Let’s get this right. RiaN2RJ On Wed, Sep 4, 2019 at 4:55 PM Michael Ritz < w7vo@comcast.net> wrote: "In accordance with Standing Order 89-1.43, I hope that newly elected Southwestern Division Vice Director Mark Weiss, K6FG, is added to the ODV list as soon as possible. 73, Dick Norton, N6AA" Question: Did Mark Weiss, K6FG, ever get added to the ODV reflector? 73; MikeW7VO On September 4, 2019 at 12:19 PM "Henderson, Dan N1ND" < dhenderson@arrl.org> wrote: At the direction of President Roderick, I have added Mr. Siddall to the ODV reflector. Thanks and 73 Dan Henderson, N1ND Assistant Secretary – American Radio Relay League, Inc. 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Yes, I think it useful for Mr. Siddall to stay in the loop if we are not billed on the short emails as was previously stated. Imlay was on ODV so I see no issues with Mr. Siddall’s addition. 73 David A. Norris, K5UZ Director, Delta Division Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 9, 2019, at 9:04 PM, Roderick, Rick, K5UR via arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> wrote:
Thanks info, Howard.
What say folks? "Yes" or "no" to adding Dave to ODV.
73 Rick - K5UR
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To Ria's question, Dan researched it and can find nothing in the minutes or elsewhere stating counsel should not be added to reflectors. By precedent, Atty Imlay was on ODV and the EC reflectors. Regarding charges, in January Atty Siddall told me he would not charge for reading short emails, but I don't have anything in writing, or exact details about what constitutes "short." His contract specifies that he will not charge for phone calls of five minutes or less. When Atty Siddall was first contracted, he wasn’t sure whether it would be helpful for him to be on ODV. Since then he has reached out to Dan, me and I believe Rick saying that it would be helpful to have a better understanding of the Board's thinking when he is writing filings, etc. I think the above answers the open questions. Rick, I don't think you need a formal motion or a vote, but as a courtesy to the Board, you should confirm there are no other objections to adding Atty Siddall to ODV. 73, Howard
On 9/7/2019 7:17 PM, rjairam@gmail.com wrote: To be clear, my concern only was with adhering to any resolutions we agreed on.
I have no problems with adding him either, provided we aren’t going against a previous resolution.
Ria, N2RJ
On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 6:20 PM Michael Ritz <w7vo@comcast.net> wrote: As long as Mr. Siddall agrees that ODV time does not result in billable hours, I have no other issues with him being on this reflector. Greg is correct in that his insight and experience would be a valuable asset. I just don't know what his contract stipulates as to what constitutes billable hours.
73; Mike W7VO
On September 7, 2019 at 12:17 PM G Widin <gpwidin@comcast.net> wrote:
Mike’s points are well taken. At the same time, if Mr. Siddall were “reading the mail”, he would encounter issues where his advice, provided early on, could help the Board avoid mistakes or become aware of superior alternatives that they were not aware of.
If our counsel is good, in the long run having him along for the ride should be valuable and cost effective. Also, though I can’t find the e-mail in a quick search, I believe that Mr. Siddall has stated that he does not charge for time reading the mail, just as he has said he doesn’t charge for time to accept phone calls of reasonable length.
A final point—if Mr. Siddall rides along, whenever members of the Board feel that advice of counsel is appropriate, it will take him minimal time to get up to speed and provide that advice. If he is not on ODV, he will need to catch up (and I presume that time will be billable).
Just my comments on the other sideband. ;-) 73, Greg, K0GW
On Saturday, September 7, 2019, Michael Ritz < w7vo@comcast.net> wrote: Here is my take on adding Mr. Siddall, K3ZJ to the ODV list: While as an insightful resource it'd be great to get his perspective on things, I have two considerations:
1. Mr. Siddall is essentially a highly paid consultant to the Board. I don't know what we have in the form of a contract with his firm, and don't know whether or not he's on any form of a retainer. If he's not on a retainer, he charges by the hour. Those hours are not inexpensive, and could potentially add up quickly if he's tasked with, or believes he is tasked with, researching a random question that comes up on ODV.
2. As a highly paid consultant, we probably should limit points of contact. Right now it's only select members of the EC that he's working with, on specific tasks related to the FCC filings. Would ODV be a distraction?
Just my two watts.
73; Mike W7VO
On September 4, 2019 at 5:10 PM Mark J Tharp < kb7hdx@gmail.com> wrote:
I seem to recall that discussion as well however do not recall the outcome.
IMHO I think we can include counsel via direct email and re-posts if necessary. As with Ria, I mean no disrespect to Mr. Siddall, but the ODV should be that, ODV.
Just the opinion of a back seat driver. :)
Mark, KB7HDX VD NW Div.
On Wed, Sep 4, 2019 at 1:58 PM rjairam@gmail.com < rjairam@gmail.com> wrote: I also want to know.
And while I respect Mr. Siddall, I have to look back into my board book in January to see if we even allowed our counsel to be added to ODV. I do know Imlay was here but I thought that practice was now ended.
Need some clarity please. Let’s get this right.
Ria N2RJ
On Wed, Sep 4, 2019 at 4:55 PM Michael Ritz < w7vo@comcast.net> wrote: "In accordance with Standing Order 89-1.43, I hope that newly elected Southwestern Division Vice Director Mark Weiss, K6FG, is added to the ODV list as soon as possible. 73,
Dick Norton, N6AA"
Question: Did Mark Weiss, K6FG, ever get added to the ODV reflector?
73; Mike W7VO
On September 4, 2019 at 12:19 PM "Henderson, Dan N1ND" < dhenderson@arrl.org> wrote:
At the direction of President Roderick, I have added Mr. Siddall to the ODV reflector.
Thanks and 73
Dan Henderson, N1ND Assistant Secretary – American Radio Relay League, Inc. Regulatory Information Manager ARRL, the national association for Amateur Radio ® 860-594-0236 dhenderson@arrl.org
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Yea!Jim K6JAT Sent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy S8. -------- Original message --------From: "Roderick, Rick, K5UR via arrl-odv" <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> Date: 9/9/19 7:04 PM (GMT-08:00) To: wb2itx@arrl.org, rjairam@gmail.com, w7vo@comcast.net, arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org Subject: [arrl-odv:28732] Re: Addition of Mr. Siddall to ODV Thanks info, Howard. What say folks? "Yes" or "no" to adding Dave to ODV. 73 Rick - K5UR -----Original Message----- From: Michel, Howard, WB2ITX (CEO) <wb2itx@arrl.org> To: Jairam, Ria, N2RJ, (Dir, HD) <rjairam@gmail.com>; Ritz, Mike, W7VO, (Dir, NW) <w7vo@comcast.net> Cc: arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> Sent: Mon, Sep 9, 2019 3:43 pm Subject: [arrl-odv:28728] Re: Addition of Mr. Siddall to ODV To Ria's question, Dan researched it and can find nothing in the minutes or elsewhere stating counsel should not be added to reflectors. By precedent, Atty Imlay was on ODV and the EC reflectors. Regarding charges, in January Atty Siddall told me he would not charge for reading short emails, but I don't have anything in writing, or exact details about what constitutes "short." His contract specifies that he will not charge for phone calls of five minutes or less. When Atty Siddall was first contracted, he wasn’t sure whether it would be helpful for him to be on ODV. Since then he has reached out to Dan, me and I believe Rick saying that it would be helpful to have a better understanding of the Board's thinking when he is writing filings, etc. I think the above answers the open questions. Rick, I don't think you need a formal motion or a vote, but as a courtesy to the Board, you should confirm there are no other objections to adding Atty Siddall to ODV. 73, Howard On 9/7/2019 7:17 PM, rjairam@gmail.com wrote: To be clear, my concern only was with adhering to any resolutions we agreed on. I have no problems with adding him either, provided we aren’t going against a previous resolution. Ria, N2RJ On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 6:20 PM Michael Ritz <w7vo@comcast.net> wrote: As long as Mr. Siddall agrees that ODV time does not result in billable hours, I have no other issues with him being on this reflector. Greg is correct in that his insight and experience would be a valuable asset. I just don't know what his contract stipulates as to what constitutes billable hours. 73; Mike W7VO On September 7, 2019 at 12:17 PM G Widin <gpwidin@comcast.net> wrote: Mike’s points are well taken. At the same time, if Mr. Siddall were “reading the mail”, he would encounter issues where his advice, provided early on, could help the Board avoid mistakes or become aware of superior alternatives that they were not aware of. If our counsel is good, in the long run having him along for the ride should be valuable and cost effective. Also, though I can’t find the e-mail in a quick search, I believe that Mr. Siddall has stated that he does not charge for time reading the mail, just as he has said he doesn’t charge for time to accept phone calls of reasonable length. A final point—if Mr. Siddall rides along, whenever members of the Board feel that advice of counsel is appropriate, it will take him minimal time to get up to speed and provide that advice. If he is not on ODV, he will need to catch up (and I presume that time will be billable). Just my comments on the other sideband. ;-) 73, Greg, K0GW On Saturday, September 7, 2019, Michael Ritz < w7vo@comcast.net> wrote: Here is my take on adding Mr. Siddall, K3ZJ to the ODV list: While as an insightful resource it'd be great to get his perspective on things, I have two considerations: 1. Mr. Siddall is essentially a highly paid consultant to the Board. I don't know what we have in the form of a contract with his firm, and don't know whether or not he's on any form of a retainer. If he's not on a retainer, he charges by the hour. Those hours are not inexpensive, and could potentially add up quickly if he's tasked with, or believes he is tasked with, researching a random question that comes up on ODV. 2. As a highly paid consultant, we probably should limit points of contact. Right now it's only select members of the EC that he's working with, on specific tasks related to the FCC filings. Would ODV be a distraction? Just my two watts. 73; Mike W7VO On September 4, 2019 at 5:10 PM Mark J Tharp < kb7hdx@gmail.com> wrote: I seem to recall that discussion as well however do not recall the outcome. IMHO I think we can include counsel via direct email and re-posts if necessary. As with Ria, I mean no disrespect to Mr. Siddall, but the ODV should be that, ODV. Just the opinion of a back seat driver. :) Mark, KB7HDX VD NW Div. On Wed, Sep 4, 2019 at 1:58 PM rjairam@gmail.com < rjairam@gmail.com> wrote: I also want to know. And while I respect Mr. Siddall, I have to look back into my board book in January to see if we even allowed our counsel to be added to ODV. I do know Imlay was here but I thought that practice was now ended. Need some clarity please. Let’s get this right. Ria N2RJ On Wed, Sep 4, 2019 at 4:55 PM Michael Ritz < w7vo@comcast.net> wrote: "In accordance with Standing Order 89-1.43, I hope that newly elected Southwestern Division Vice Director Mark Weiss, K6FG, is added to the ODV list as soon as possible. 73, Dick Norton, N6AA" Question: Did Mark Weiss, K6FG, ever get added to the ODV reflector? 73; Mike W7VO On September 4, 2019 at 12:19 PM "Henderson, Dan N1ND" < dhenderson@arrl.org> wrote: At the direction of President Roderick, I have added Mr. Siddall to the ODV reflector. Thanks and 73 Dan Henderson, N1ND Assistant Secretary – American Radio Relay League, Inc. 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I believe that Dave Siddall has the best interests of the ARRL at heart and support adding him to the ODV list. 73, Dick Norton, N6AA On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 7:04 PM Roderick, Rick, K5UR via arrl-odv < arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> wrote:
Thanks info, Howard.
What say folks? "Yes" or "no" to adding Dave to ODV.
73 Rick - K5UR
-----Original Message----- From: Michel, Howard, WB2ITX (CEO) <wb2itx@arrl.org> To: Jairam, Ria, N2RJ, (Dir, HD) <rjairam@gmail.com>; Ritz, Mike, W7VO, (Dir, NW) <w7vo@comcast.net> Cc: arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> Sent: Mon, Sep 9, 2019 3:43 pm Subject: [arrl-odv:28728] Re: Addition of Mr. Siddall to ODV
To Ria's question, Dan researched it and can find nothing in the minutes or elsewhere stating counsel should not be added to reflectors. By precedent, Atty Imlay was on ODV and the EC reflectors. Regarding charges, in January Atty Siddall told me he would not charge for reading short emails, but I don't have anything in writing, or exact details about what constitutes "short." His contract specifies that he will not charge for phone calls of five minutes or less. When Atty Siddall was first contracted, he wasn’t sure whether it would be helpful for him to be on ODV. Since then he has reached out to Dan, me and I believe Rick saying that it would be helpful to have a better understanding of the Board's thinking when he is writing filings, etc. I think the above answers the open questions. Rick, I don't think you need a formal motion or a vote, but as a courtesy to the Board, you should confirm there are no other objections to adding Atty Siddall to ODV. 73, Howard
On 9/7/2019 7:17 PM, rjairam@gmail.com wrote:
To be clear, my concern only was with adhering to any resolutions we agreed on.
I have no problems with adding him either, provided we aren’t going against a previous resolution.
Ria, N2RJ
On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 6:20 PM Michael Ritz <w7vo@comcast.net> wrote:
As long as Mr. Siddall agrees that ODV time does not result in billable hours, I have no other issues with him being on this reflector. Greg is correct in that his insight and experience would be a valuable asset. I just don't know what his contract stipulates as to what constitutes billable hours.
73; Mike W7VO
On September 7, 2019 at 12:17 PM G Widin <gpwidin@comcast.net> wrote:
Mike’s points are well taken. At the same time, if Mr. Siddall were “reading the mail”, he would encounter issues where his advice, provided early on, could help the Board avoid mistakes or become aware of superior alternatives that they were not aware of.
If our counsel is good, in the long run having him along for the ride should be valuable and cost effective. Also, though I can’t find the e-mail in a quick search, I believe that Mr. Siddall has stated that he does not charge for time reading the mail, just as he has said he doesn’t charge for time to accept phone calls of reasonable length.
A final point—if Mr. Siddall rides along, whenever members of the Board feel that advice of counsel is appropriate, it will take him minimal time to get up to speed and provide that advice. If he is not on ODV, he will need to catch up (and I presume that time will be billable).
Just my comments on the other sideband. ;-) 73, Greg, K0GW
On Saturday, September 7, 2019, Michael Ritz < w7vo@comcast.net> wrote:
Here is my take on adding Mr. Siddall, K3ZJ to the ODV list: While as an insightful resource it'd be great to get his perspective on things, I have two considerations:
1. Mr. Siddall is essentially a highly paid consultant to the Board. I don't know what we have in the form of a contract with his firm, and don't know whether or not he's on any form of a retainer. If he's not on a retainer, he charges by the hour. Those hours are not inexpensive, and could potentially add up quickly if he's tasked with, or believes he is tasked with, researching a random question that comes up on ODV.
2. As a highly paid consultant, we probably should limit points of contact. Right now it's only select members of the EC that he's working with, on specific tasks related to the FCC filings. Would ODV be a distraction?
Just my two watts.
73; Mike W7VO
On September 4, 2019 at 5:10 PM Mark J Tharp < kb7hdx@gmail.com> wrote:
I seem to recall that discussion as well however do not recall the outcome.
IMHO I think we can include counsel via direct email and re-posts if necessary. As with Ria, I mean no disrespect to Mr. Siddall, but the ODV should be that, ODV.
Just the opinion of a back seat driver. :)
Mark, KB7HDX VD NW Div.
On Wed, Sep 4, 2019 at 1:58 PM rjairam@gmail.com < rjairam@gmail.com> wrote:
I also want to know.
And while I respect Mr. Siddall, I have to look back into my board book in January to see if we even allowed our counsel to be added to ODV. I do know Imlay was here but I thought that practice was now ended.
Need some clarity please. Let’s get this right.
Ria N2RJ
On Wed, Sep 4, 2019 at 4:55 PM Michael Ritz < w7vo@comcast.net> wrote:
"In accordance with Standing Order 89-1.43, I hope that newly elected Southwestern Division Vice Director Mark Weiss, K6FG, is added to the ODV list as soon as possible. 73,
Dick Norton, N6AA"
Question: Did Mark Weiss, K6FG, ever get added to the ODV reflector?
73; Mike W7VO
On September 4, 2019 at 12:19 PM "Henderson, Dan N1ND" < dhenderson@arrl.org> wrote:
At the direction of President Roderick, I have added Mr. Siddall to the ODV reflector.
Thanks and 73
Dan Henderson, N1ND Assistant Secretary – American Radio Relay League, Inc. Regulatory Information Manager ARRL, the national association for Amateur Radio ® 860-594-0236 dhenderson@arrl.org
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Yes! On Mon, Sep 9, 2019, 10:00 PM Richard J. Norton <richardjnorton@gmail.com> wrote:
I believe that Dave Siddall has the best interests of the ARRL at heart and support adding him to the ODV list.
73,
Dick Norton, N6AA
On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 7:04 PM Roderick, Rick, K5UR via arrl-odv < arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> wrote:
Thanks info, Howard.
What say folks? "Yes" or "no" to adding Dave to ODV.
73 Rick - K5UR
-----Original Message----- From: Michel, Howard, WB2ITX (CEO) <wb2itx@arrl.org> To: Jairam, Ria, N2RJ, (Dir, HD) <rjairam@gmail.com>; Ritz, Mike, W7VO, (Dir, NW) <w7vo@comcast.net> Cc: arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> Sent: Mon, Sep 9, 2019 3:43 pm Subject: [arrl-odv:28728] Re: Addition of Mr. Siddall to ODV
To Ria's question, Dan researched it and can find nothing in the minutes or elsewhere stating counsel should not be added to reflectors. By precedent, Atty Imlay was on ODV and the EC reflectors. Regarding charges, in January Atty Siddall told me he would not charge for reading short emails, but I don't have anything in writing, or exact details about what constitutes "short." His contract specifies that he will not charge for phone calls of five minutes or less. When Atty Siddall was first contracted, he wasn’t sure whether it would be helpful for him to be on ODV. Since then he has reached out to Dan, me and I believe Rick saying that it would be helpful to have a better understanding of the Board's thinking when he is writing filings, etc. I think the above answers the open questions. Rick, I don't think you need a formal motion or a vote, but as a courtesy to the Board, you should confirm there are no other objections to adding Atty Siddall to ODV. 73, Howard
On 9/7/2019 7:17 PM, rjairam@gmail.com wrote:
To be clear, my concern only was with adhering to any resolutions we agreed on.
I have no problems with adding him either, provided we aren’t going against a previous resolution.
Ria, N2RJ
On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 6:20 PM Michael Ritz <w7vo@comcast.net> wrote:
As long as Mr. Siddall agrees that ODV time does not result in billable hours, I have no other issues with him being on this reflector. Greg is correct in that his insight and experience would be a valuable asset. I just don't know what his contract stipulates as to what constitutes billable hours.
73; Mike W7VO
On September 7, 2019 at 12:17 PM G Widin <gpwidin@comcast.net> wrote:
Mike’s points are well taken. At the same time, if Mr. Siddall were “reading the mail”, he would encounter issues where his advice, provided early on, could help the Board avoid mistakes or become aware of superior alternatives that they were not aware of.
If our counsel is good, in the long run having him along for the ride should be valuable and cost effective. Also, though I can’t find the e-mail in a quick search, I believe that Mr. Siddall has stated that he does not charge for time reading the mail, just as he has said he doesn’t charge for time to accept phone calls of reasonable length.
A final point—if Mr. Siddall rides along, whenever members of the Board feel that advice of counsel is appropriate, it will take him minimal time to get up to speed and provide that advice. If he is not on ODV, he will need to catch up (and I presume that time will be billable).
Just my comments on the other sideband. ;-) 73, Greg, K0GW
On Saturday, September 7, 2019, Michael Ritz < w7vo@comcast.net> wrote:
Here is my take on adding Mr. Siddall, K3ZJ to the ODV list: While as an insightful resource it'd be great to get his perspective on things, I have two considerations:
1. Mr. Siddall is essentially a highly paid consultant to the Board. I don't know what we have in the form of a contract with his firm, and don't know whether or not he's on any form of a retainer. If he's not on a retainer, he charges by the hour. Those hours are not inexpensive, and could potentially add up quickly if he's tasked with, or believes he is tasked with, researching a random question that comes up on ODV.
2. As a highly paid consultant, we probably should limit points of contact. Right now it's only select members of the EC that he's working with, on specific tasks related to the FCC filings. Would ODV be a distraction?
Just my two watts.
73; Mike W7VO
On September 4, 2019 at 5:10 PM Mark J Tharp < kb7hdx@gmail.com> wrote:
I seem to recall that discussion as well however do not recall the outcome.
IMHO I think we can include counsel via direct email and re-posts if necessary. As with Ria, I mean no disrespect to Mr. Siddall, but the ODV should be that, ODV.
Just the opinion of a back seat driver. :)
Mark, KB7HDX VD NW Div.
On Wed, Sep 4, 2019 at 1:58 PM rjairam@gmail.com < rjairam@gmail.com> wrote:
I also want to know.
And while I respect Mr. Siddall, I have to look back into my board book in January to see if we even allowed our counsel to be added to ODV. I do know Imlay was here but I thought that practice was now ended.
Need some clarity please. Let’s get this right.
Ria N2RJ
On Wed, Sep 4, 2019 at 4:55 PM Michael Ritz < w7vo@comcast.net> wrote:
"In accordance with Standing Order 89-1.43, I hope that newly elected Southwestern Division Vice Director Mark Weiss, K6FG, is added to the ODV list as soon as possible. 73,
Dick Norton, N6AA"
Question: Did Mark Weiss, K6FG, ever get added to the ODV reflector?
73; Mike W7VO
On September 4, 2019 at 12:19 PM "Henderson, Dan N1ND" < dhenderson@arrl.org> wrote:
At the direction of President Roderick, I have added Mr. Siddall to the ODV reflector.
Thanks and 73
Dan Henderson, N1ND Assistant Secretary – American Radio Relay League, Inc. Regulatory Information Manager ARRL, the national association for Amateur Radio ® 860-594-0236 dhenderson@arrl.org
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Yes. Bud, W2RU On Sep 9, 2019, at 10:04 PM, Roderick, Rick, K5UR via arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org<mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org>> wrote: Thanks info, Howard. What say folks? "Yes" or "no" to adding Dave to ODV. 73 Rick - K5UR -----Original Message----- From: Michel, Howard, WB2ITX (CEO) <wb2itx@arrl.org<mailto:wb2itx@arrl.org>> To: Jairam, Ria, N2RJ, (Dir, HD) <rjairam@gmail.com<mailto:rjairam@gmail.com>>; Ritz, Mike, W7VO, (Dir, NW) <w7vo@comcast.net<mailto:w7vo@comcast.net>> Cc: arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org<mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org>> Sent: Mon, Sep 9, 2019 3:43 pm Subject: [arrl-odv:28728] Re: Addition of Mr. Siddall to ODV To Ria's question, Dan researched it and can find nothing in the minutes or elsewhere stating counsel should not be added to reflectors. By precedent, Atty Imlay was on ODV and the EC reflectors. Regarding charges, in January Atty Siddall told me he would not charge for reading short emails, but I don't have anything in writing, or exact details about what constitutes "short." His contract specifies that he will not charge for phone calls of five minutes or less. When Atty Siddall was first contracted, he wasn’t sure whether it would be helpful for him to be on ODV. Since then he has reached out to Dan, me and I believe Rick saying that it would be helpful to have a better understanding of the Board's thinking when he is writing filings, etc. I think the above answers the open questions. Rick, I don't think you need a formal motion or a vote, but as a courtesy to the Board, you should confirm there are no other objections to adding Atty Siddall to ODV. 73, Howard On 9/7/2019 7:17 PM, rjairam@gmail.com<mailto:rjairam@gmail.com> wrote: To be clear, my concern only was with adhering to any resolutions we agreed on. I have no problems with adding him either, provided we aren’t going against a previous resolution. Ria, N2RJ On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 6:20 PM Michael Ritz <w7vo@comcast.net<mailto:w7vo@comcast.net>> wrote: As long as Mr. Siddall agrees that ODV time does not result in billable hours, I have no other issues with him being on this reflector. Greg is correct in that his insight and experience would be a valuable asset. I just don't know what his contract stipulates as to what constitutes billable hours. 73; Mike W7VO On September 7, 2019 at 12:17 PM G Widin <gpwidin@comcast.net<mailto:gpwidin@comcast.net>> wrote: Mike’s points are well taken. At the same time, if Mr. Siddall were “reading the mail”, he would encounter issues where his advice, provided early on, could help the Board avoid mistakes or become aware of superior alternatives that they were not aware of. If our counsel is good, in the long run having him along for the ride should be valuable and cost effective. Also, though I can’t find the e-mail in a quick search, I believe that Mr. Siddall has stated that he does not charge for time reading the mail, just as he has said he doesn’t charge for time to accept phone calls of reasonable length. A final point—if Mr. Siddall rides along, whenever members of the Board feel that advice of counsel is appropriate, it will take him minimal time to get up to speed and provide that advice. If he is not on ODV, he will need to catch up (and I presume that time will be billable). Just my comments on the other sideband. ;-) 73, Greg, K0GW On Saturday, September 7, 2019, Michael Ritz < w7vo@comcast.net<mailto:w7vo@comcast.net>> wrote: Here is my take on adding Mr. Siddall, K3ZJ to the ODV list: While as an insightful resource it'd be great to get his perspective on things, I have two considerations: 1. Mr. Siddall is essentially a highly paid consultant to the Board. I don't know what we have in the form of a contract with his firm, and don't know whether or not he's on any form of a retainer. If he's not on a retainer, he charges by the hour. Those hours are not inexpensive, and could potentially add up quickly if he's tasked with, or believes he is tasked with, researching a random question that comes up on ODV. 2. As a highly paid consultant, we probably should limit points of contact. Right now it's only select members of the EC that he's working with, on specific tasks related to the FCC filings. Would ODV be a distraction? Just my two watts. 73; Mike W7VO On September 4, 2019 at 5:10 PM Mark J Tharp < kb7hdx@gmail.com<mailto:kb7hdx@gmail.com>> wrote: I seem to recall that discussion as well however do not recall the outcome. IMHO I think we can include counsel via direct email and re-posts if necessary. As with Ria, I mean no disrespect to Mr. Siddall, but the ODV should be that, ODV. Just the opinion of a back seat driver. :) Mark, KB7HDX VD NW Div. On Wed, Sep 4, 2019 at 1:58 PM rjairam@gmail.com<mailto:rjairam@gmail.com> < rjairam@gmail.com<mailto:rjairam@gmail.com>> wrote: I also want to know. And while I respect Mr. Siddall, I have to look back into my board book in January to see if we even allowed our counsel to be added to ODV. I do know Imlay was here but I thought that practice was now ended. Need some clarity please. Let’s get this right. Ria N2RJ On Wed, Sep 4, 2019 at 4:55 PM Michael Ritz < w7vo@comcast.net<mailto:w7vo@comcast.net>> wrote: "In accordance with Standing Order 89-1.43, I hope that newly elected Southwestern Division Vice Director Mark Weiss, K6FG, is added to the ODV list as soon as possible. 73, Dick Norton, N6AA" Question: Did Mark Weiss, K6FG, ever get added to the ODV reflector? 73; Mike W7VO On September 4, 2019 at 12:19 PM "Henderson, Dan N1ND" < dhenderson@arrl.org<mailto:dhenderson@arrl.org>> wrote: At the direction of President Roderick, I have added Mr. Siddall to the ODV reflector. Thanks and 73 Dan Henderson, N1ND Assistant Secretary – American Radio Relay League, Inc. 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W6RGG - Yes On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 7:04 PM Roderick, Rick, K5UR via arrl-odv < arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> wrote:
Thanks info, Howard.
What say folks? "Yes" or "no" to adding Dave to ODV.
73 Rick - K5UR
-----Original Message----- From: Michel, Howard, WB2ITX (CEO) <wb2itx@arrl.org> To: Jairam, Ria, N2RJ, (Dir, HD) <rjairam@gmail.com>; Ritz, Mike, W7VO, (Dir, NW) <w7vo@comcast.net> Cc: arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> Sent: Mon, Sep 9, 2019 3:43 pm Subject: [arrl-odv:28728] Re: Addition of Mr. Siddall to ODV
To Ria's question, Dan researched it and can find nothing in the minutes or elsewhere stating counsel should not be added to reflectors. By precedent, Atty Imlay was on ODV and the EC reflectors. Regarding charges, in January Atty Siddall told me he would not charge for reading short emails, but I don't have anything in writing, or exact details about what constitutes "short." His contract specifies that he will not charge for phone calls of five minutes or less. When Atty Siddall was first contracted, he wasn’t sure whether it would be helpful for him to be on ODV. Since then he has reached out to Dan, me and I believe Rick saying that it would be helpful to have a better understanding of the Board's thinking when he is writing filings, etc. I think the above answers the open questions. Rick, I don't think you need a formal motion or a vote, but as a courtesy to the Board, you should confirm there are no other objections to adding Atty Siddall to ODV. 73, Howard
On 9/7/2019 7:17 PM, rjairam@gmail.com wrote:
To be clear, my concern only was with adhering to any resolutions we agreed on.
I have no problems with adding him either, provided we aren’t going against a previous resolution.
Ria, N2RJ
On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 6:20 PM Michael Ritz <w7vo@comcast.net> wrote:
As long as Mr. Siddall agrees that ODV time does not result in billable hours, I have no other issues with him being on this reflector. Greg is correct in that his insight and experience would be a valuable asset. I just don't know what his contract stipulates as to what constitutes billable hours.
73; Mike W7VO
On September 7, 2019 at 12:17 PM G Widin <gpwidin@comcast.net> wrote:
Mike’s points are well taken. At the same time, if Mr. Siddall were “reading the mail”, he would encounter issues where his advice, provided early on, could help the Board avoid mistakes or become aware of superior alternatives that they were not aware of.
If our counsel is good, in the long run having him along for the ride should be valuable and cost effective. Also, though I can’t find the e-mail in a quick search, I believe that Mr. Siddall has stated that he does not charge for time reading the mail, just as he has said he doesn’t charge for time to accept phone calls of reasonable length.
A final point—if Mr. Siddall rides along, whenever members of the Board feel that advice of counsel is appropriate, it will take him minimal time to get up to speed and provide that advice. If he is not on ODV, he will need to catch up (and I presume that time will be billable).
Just my comments on the other sideband. ;-) 73, Greg, K0GW
On Saturday, September 7, 2019, Michael Ritz < w7vo@comcast.net> wrote:
Here is my take on adding Mr. Siddall, K3ZJ to the ODV list: While as an insightful resource it'd be great to get his perspective on things, I have two considerations:
1. Mr. Siddall is essentially a highly paid consultant to the Board. I don't know what we have in the form of a contract with his firm, and don't know whether or not he's on any form of a retainer. If he's not on a retainer, he charges by the hour. Those hours are not inexpensive, and could potentially add up quickly if he's tasked with, or believes he is tasked with, researching a random question that comes up on ODV.
2. As a highly paid consultant, we probably should limit points of contact. Right now it's only select members of the EC that he's working with, on specific tasks related to the FCC filings. Would ODV be a distraction?
Just my two watts.
73; Mike W7VO
On September 4, 2019 at 5:10 PM Mark J Tharp < kb7hdx@gmail.com> wrote:
I seem to recall that discussion as well however do not recall the outcome.
IMHO I think we can include counsel via direct email and re-posts if necessary. As with Ria, I mean no disrespect to Mr. Siddall, but the ODV should be that, ODV.
Just the opinion of a back seat driver. :)
Mark, KB7HDX VD NW Div.
On Wed, Sep 4, 2019 at 1:58 PM rjairam@gmail.com < rjairam@gmail.com> wrote:
I also want to know.
And while I respect Mr. Siddall, I have to look back into my board book in January to see if we even allowed our counsel to be added to ODV. I do know Imlay was here but I thought that practice was now ended.
Need some clarity please. Let’s get this right.
Ria N2RJ
On Wed, Sep 4, 2019 at 4:55 PM Michael Ritz < w7vo@comcast.net> wrote:
"In accordance with Standing Order 89-1.43, I hope that newly elected Southwestern Division Vice Director Mark Weiss, K6FG, is added to the ODV list as soon as possible. 73,
Dick Norton, N6AA"
Question: Did Mark Weiss, K6FG, ever get added to the ODV reflector?
73; Mike W7VO
On September 4, 2019 at 12:19 PM "Henderson, Dan N1ND" < dhenderson@arrl.org> wrote:
At the direction of President Roderick, I have added Mr. Siddall to the ODV reflector.
Thanks and 73
Dan Henderson, N1ND Assistant Secretary – American Radio Relay League, Inc. Regulatory Information Manager ARRL, the national association for Amateur Radio ® 860-594-0236 dhenderson@arrl.org
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Yes. It's a good idea. Thanks,Greg, W4OZK -------- Original message --------From: "Roderick, Rick, K5UR via arrl-odv" <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> Date: 9/9/19 9:04 PM (GMT-06:00) To: wb2itx@arrl.org, rjairam@gmail.com, w7vo@comcast.net, arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org Subject: [arrl-odv:28732] Re: Addition of Mr. Siddall to ODV Thanks info, Howard. What say folks? "Yes" or "no" to adding Dave to ODV. 73 Rick - K5UR -----Original Message----- From: Michel, Howard, WB2ITX (CEO) <wb2itx@arrl.org> To: Jairam, Ria, N2RJ, (Dir, HD) <rjairam@gmail.com>; Ritz, Mike, W7VO, (Dir, NW) <w7vo@comcast.net> Cc: arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> Sent: Mon, Sep 9, 2019 3:43 pm Subject: [arrl-odv:28728] Re: Addition of Mr. Siddall to ODV To Ria's question, Dan researched it and can find nothing in the minutes or elsewhere stating counsel should not be added to reflectors. By precedent, Atty Imlay was on ODV and the EC reflectors. Regarding charges, in January Atty Siddall told me he would not charge for reading short emails, but I don't have anything in writing, or exact details about what constitutes "short." His contract specifies that he will not charge for phone calls of five minutes or less. When Atty Siddall was first contracted, he wasn’t sure whether it would be helpful for him to be on ODV. Since then he has reached out to Dan, me and I believe Rick saying that it would be helpful to have a better understanding of the Board's thinking when he is writing filings, etc. I think the above answers the open questions. Rick, I don't think you need a formal motion or a vote, but as a courtesy to the Board, you should confirm there are no other objections to adding Atty Siddall to ODV. 73, Howard On 9/7/2019 7:17 PM, rjairam@gmail.com wrote: To be clear, my concern only was with adhering to any resolutions we agreed on. I have no problems with adding him either, provided we aren’t going against a previous resolution. Ria, N2RJ On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 6:20 PM Michael Ritz <w7vo@comcast.net> wrote: As long as Mr. Siddall agrees that ODV time does not result in billable hours, I have no other issues with him being on this reflector. Greg is correct in that his insight and experience would be a valuable asset. I just don't know what his contract stipulates as to what constitutes billable hours. 73; Mike W7VO On September 7, 2019 at 12:17 PM G Widin <gpwidin@comcast.net> wrote: Mike’s points are well taken. At the same time, if Mr. Siddall were “reading the mail”, he would encounter issues where his advice, provided early on, could help the Board avoid mistakes or become aware of superior alternatives that they were not aware of. If our counsel is good, in the long run having him along for the ride should be valuable and cost effective. Also, though I can’t find the e-mail in a quick search, I believe that Mr. Siddall has stated that he does not charge for time reading the mail, just as he has said he doesn’t charge for time to accept phone calls of reasonable length. A final point—if Mr. Siddall rides along, whenever members of the Board feel that advice of counsel is appropriate, it will take him minimal time to get up to speed and provide that advice. If he is not on ODV, he will need to catch up (and I presume that time will be billable). Just my comments on the other sideband. ;-) 73, Greg, K0GW On Saturday, September 7, 2019, Michael Ritz < w7vo@comcast.net> wrote: Here is my take on adding Mr. Siddall, K3ZJ to the ODV list: While as an insightful resource it'd be great to get his perspective on things, I have two considerations: 1. Mr. Siddall is essentially a highly paid consultant to the Board. I don't know what we have in the form of a contract with his firm, and don't know whether or not he's on any form of a retainer. If he's not on a retainer, he charges by the hour. Those hours are not inexpensive, and could potentially add up quickly if he's tasked with, or believes he is tasked with, researching a random question that comes up on ODV. 2. As a highly paid consultant, we probably should limit points of contact. Right now it's only select members of the EC that he's working with, on specific tasks related to the FCC filings. Would ODV be a distraction? Just my two watts. 73; Mike W7VO On September 4, 2019 at 5:10 PM Mark J Tharp < kb7hdx@gmail.com> wrote: I seem to recall that discussion as well however do not recall the outcome. IMHO I think we can include counsel via direct email and re-posts if necessary. As with Ria, I mean no disrespect to Mr. Siddall, but the ODV should be that, ODV. Just the opinion of a back seat driver. :) Mark, KB7HDX VD NW Div. On Wed, Sep 4, 2019 at 1:58 PM rjairam@gmail.com < rjairam@gmail.com> wrote: I also want to know. And while I respect Mr. Siddall, I have to look back into my board book in January to see if we even allowed our counsel to be added to ODV. I do know Imlay was here but I thought that practice was now ended. Need some clarity please. Let’s get this right. Ria N2RJ On Wed, Sep 4, 2019 at 4:55 PM Michael Ritz < w7vo@comcast.net> wrote: "In accordance with Standing Order 89-1.43, I hope that newly elected Southwestern Division Vice Director Mark Weiss, K6FG, is added to the ODV list as soon as possible. 73, Dick Norton, N6AA" Question: Did Mark Weiss, K6FG, ever get added to the ODV reflector? 73; Mike W7VO On September 4, 2019 at 12:19 PM "Henderson, Dan N1ND" < dhenderson@arrl.org> wrote: At the direction of President Roderick, I have added Mr. Siddall to the ODV reflector. Thanks and 73 Dan Henderson, N1ND Assistant Secretary – American Radio Relay League, Inc. 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Yes. From: arrl-odv [mailto:arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org] On Behalf Of Roderick, Rick, K5UR via arrl-odv Sent: Monday, September 9, 2019 8:04 PM To: wb2itx@arrl.org; rjairam@gmail.com; w7vo@comcast.net; arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org Subject: [arrl-odv:28732] Re: Addition of Mr. Siddall to ODV Thanks info, Howard. What say folks? "Yes" or "no" to adding Dave to ODV. 73 Rick - K5UR -----Original Message----- From: Michel, Howard, WB2ITX (CEO) <wb2itx@arrl.org <mailto:wb2itx@arrl.org> > To: Jairam, Ria, N2RJ, (Dir, HD) <rjairam@gmail.com <mailto:rjairam@gmail.com> >; Ritz, Mike, W7VO, (Dir, NW) <w7vo@comcast.net <mailto:w7vo@comcast.net> > Cc: arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org <mailto:arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> > Sent: Mon, Sep 9, 2019 3:43 pm Subject: [arrl-odv:28728] Re: Addition of Mr. Siddall to ODV To Ria's question, Dan researched it and can find nothing in the minutes or elsewhere stating counsel should not be added to reflectors. By precedent, Atty Imlay was on ODV and the EC reflectors. Regarding charges, in January Atty Siddall told me he would not charge for reading short emails, but I don't have anything in writing, or exact details about what constitutes "short." His contract specifies that he will not charge for phone calls of five minutes or less. When Atty Siddall was first contracted, he wasn’t sure whether it would be helpful for him to be on ODV. Since then he has reached out to Dan, me and I believe Rick saying that it would be helpful to have a better understanding of the Board's thinking when he is writing filings, etc. I think the above answers the open questions. Rick, I don't think you need a formal motion or a vote, but as a courtesy to the Board, you should confirm there are no other objections to adding Atty Siddall to ODV. 73, Howard On 9/7/2019 7:17 PM, rjairam@gmail.com <mailto:rjairam@gmail.com> wrote: To be clear, my concern only was with adhering to any resolutions we agreed on. I have no problems with adding him either, provided we aren’t going against a previous resolution. Ria, N2RJ On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 6:20 PM Michael Ritz <w7vo@comcast.net <mailto:w7vo@comcast.net> > wrote: As long as Mr. Siddall agrees that ODV time does not result in billable hours, I have no other issues with him being on this reflector. Greg is correct in that his insight and experience would be a valuable asset. I just don't know what his contract stipulates as to what constitutes billable hours. 73; Mike W7VO On September 7, 2019 at 12:17 PM G Widin <gpwidin@comcast.net <mailto:gpwidin@comcast.net> > wrote: Mike’s points are well taken. At the same time, if Mr. Siddall were “reading the mail”, he would encounter issues where his advice, provided early on, could help the Board avoid mistakes or become aware of superior alternatives that they were not aware of. If our counsel is good, in the long run having him along for the ride should be valuable and cost effective. Also, though I can’t find the e-mail in a quick search, I believe that Mr. Siddall has stated that he does not charge for time reading the mail, just as he has said he doesn’t charge for time to accept phone calls of reasonable length. A final point—if Mr. Siddall rides along, whenever members of the Board feel that advice of counsel is appropriate, it will take him minimal time to get up to speed and provide that advice. If he is not on ODV, he will need to catch up (and I presume that time will be billable). Just my comments on the other sideband. ;-) 73, Greg, K0GW On Saturday, September 7, 2019, Michael Ritz < w7vo@comcast.net <mailto:w7vo@comcast.net> > wrote: Here is my take on adding Mr. Siddall, K3ZJ to the ODV list: While as an insightful resource it'd be great to get his perspective on things, I have two considerations: 1. Mr. Siddall is essentially a highly paid consultant to the Board. I don't know what we have in the form of a contract with his firm, and don't know whether or not he's on any form of a retainer. If he's not on a retainer, he charges by the hour. Those hours are not inexpensive, and could potentially add up quickly if he's tasked with, or believes he is tasked with, researching a random question that comes up on ODV. 2. As a highly paid consultant, we probably should limit points of contact. Right now it's only select members of the EC that he's working with, on specific tasks related to the FCC filings. Would ODV be a distraction? Just my two watts. 73; Mike W7VO On September 4, 2019 at 5:10 PM Mark J Tharp < kb7hdx@gmail.com <mailto:kb7hdx@gmail.com> > wrote: I seem to recall that discussion as well however do not recall the outcome. IMHO I think we can include counsel via direct email and re-posts if necessary. As with Ria, I mean no disrespect to Mr. Siddall, but the ODV should be that, ODV. Just the opinion of a back seat driver. :) Mark, KB7HDX VD NW Div. On Wed, Sep 4, 2019 at 1:58 PM rjairam@gmail.com <mailto:rjairam@gmail.com> < rjairam@gmail.com <mailto:rjairam@gmail.com> > wrote: I also want to know. And while I respect Mr. Siddall, I have to look back into my board book in January to see if we even allowed our counsel to be added to ODV. I do know Imlay was here but I thought that practice was now ended. Need some clarity please. Let’s get this right. Ria N2RJ On Wed, Sep 4, 2019 at 4:55 PM Michael Ritz < w7vo@comcast.net <mailto:w7vo@comcast.net> > wrote: "In accordance with Standing Order 89-1.43, I hope that newly elected Southwestern Division Vice Director Mark Weiss, K6FG, is added to the ODV list as soon as possible. 73, Dick Norton, N6AA" Question: Did Mark Weiss, K6FG, ever get added to the ODV reflector? 73; Mike W7VO On September 4, 2019 at 12:19 PM "Henderson, Dan N1ND" < dhenderson@arrl.org <mailto:dhenderson@arrl.org> > wrote: At the direction of President Roderick, I have added Mr. Siddall to the ODV reflector. Thanks and 73 Dan Henderson, N1ND Assistant Secretary – American Radio Relay League, Inc. 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Rick, I support adding Mr Siddall to ODV. 73 Dale WA8EFK On 9/9/2019 10:04 PM, Roderick, Rick, K5UR via arrl-odv wrote:
Thanks info, Howard.
What say folks? "Yes" or "no" to adding Dave to ODV.
73 Rick - K5UR
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To Ria's question, Dan researched it and can find nothing in the minutes or elsewhere stating counsel should not be added to reflectors. By precedent, Atty Imlay was on ODV and the EC reflectors. Regarding charges, in January Atty Siddall told me he would not charge for reading short emails, but I don't have anything in writing, or exact details about what constitutes "short." His contract specifies that he will not charge for phone calls of five minutes or less. When Atty Siddall was first contracted, he wasn’t sure whether it would be helpful for him to be on ODV. Since then he has reached out to Dan, me and I believe Rick saying that it would be helpful to have a better understanding of the Board's thinking when he is writing filings, etc. I think the above answers the open questions. Rick, I don't think you need a formal motion or a vote, but as a courtesy to the Board, you should confirm there are no other objections to adding Atty Siddall to ODV. 73, Howard
On 9/7/2019 7:17 PM, rjairam@gmail.com <mailto:rjairam@gmail.com> wrote:
To be clear, my concern only was with adhering to any resolutions we agreed on.
I have no problems with adding him either, provided we aren’t going against a previous resolution.
Ria, N2RJ
On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 6:20 PM Michael Ritz <w7vo@comcast.net <mailto:w7vo@comcast.net>> wrote:
As long as Mr. Siddall agrees that ODV time does not result in billable hours, I have no other issues with him being on this reflector. Greg is correct in that his insight and experience would be a valuable asset. I just don't know what his contract stipulates as to what constitutes billable hours.
73; Mike W7VO
On September 7, 2019 at 12:17 PM G Widin <gpwidin@comcast.net <mailto:gpwidin@comcast.net>> wrote:
Mike’s points are well taken. At the same time, if Mr. Siddall were “reading the mail”, he would encounter issues where his advice, provided early on, could help the Board avoid mistakes or become aware of superior alternatives that they were not aware of.
If our counsel is good, in the long run having him along for the ride should be valuable and cost effective. Also, though I can’t find the e-mail in a quick search, I believe that Mr. Siddall has stated that he does not charge for time reading the mail, just as he has said he doesn’t charge for time to accept phone calls of reasonable length.
A final point—if Mr. Siddall rides along, whenever members of the Board feel that advice of counsel is appropriate, it will take him minimal time to get up to speed and provide that advice. If he is not on ODV, he will need to catch up (and I presume that time will be billable).
Just my comments on the other sideband. ;-) 73, Greg, K0GW
On Saturday, September 7, 2019, Michael Ritz < w7vo@comcast.net <mailto:w7vo@comcast.net>> wrote:
Here is my take on adding Mr. Siddall, K3ZJ to the ODV list: While as an insightful resource it'd be great to get his perspective on things, I have two considerations:
1. Mr. Siddall is essentially a highly paid consultant to the Board. I don't know what we have in the form of a contract with his firm, and don't know whether or not he's on any form of a retainer. If he's not on a retainer, he charges by the hour. Those hours are not inexpensive, and could potentially add up quickly if he's tasked with, or believes he is tasked with, researching a random question that comes up on ODV.
2. As a highly paid consultant, we probably should limit points of contact. Right now it's only select members of the EC that he's working with, on specific tasks related to the FCC filings. Would ODV be a distraction?
Just my two watts.
73; Mike W7VO
On September 4, 2019 at 5:10 PM Mark J Tharp < kb7hdx@gmail.com <mailto:kb7hdx@gmail.com>> wrote:
I seem to recall that discussion as well however do not recall the outcome.
IMHO I think we can include counsel via direct email and re-posts if necessary. As with Ria, I mean no disrespect to Mr. Siddall, but the ODV should be that, ODV.
Just the opinion of a back seat driver. :)
Mark, KB7HDX VD NW Div.
On Wed, Sep 4, 2019 at 1:58 PM rjairam@gmail.com <mailto:rjairam@gmail.com> < rjairam@gmail.com <mailto:rjairam@gmail.com>> wrote:
I also want to know.
And while I respect Mr. Siddall, I have to look back into my board book in January to see if we even allowed our counsel to be added to ODV. I do know Imlay was here but I thought that practice was now ended.
Need some clarity please. Let’s get this right.
Ria N2RJ
On Wed, Sep 4, 2019 at 4:55 PM Michael Ritz < w7vo@comcast.net <mailto:w7vo@comcast.net>> wrote:
"In accordance with Standing Order 89-1.43, I hope that newly elected Southwestern Division Vice Director Mark Weiss, K6FG, is added to the ODV list as soon as possible. 73,
Dick Norton, N6AA"
Question: Did Mark Weiss, K6FG, ever get added to the ODV reflector?
73; Mike W7VO
On September 4, 2019 at 12:19 PM "Henderson, Dan N1ND" < dhenderson@arrl.org <mailto:dhenderson@arrl.org>> wrote:
At the direction of President Roderick, I have added Mr. Siddall to the ODV reflector. Thanks and 73 Dan Henderson, N1ND Assistant Secretary – American Radio Relay League, Inc. Regulatory Information Manager ARRL, the national association for Amateur Radio ® 860-594-0236 dhenderson@arrl.org <mailto:dhenderson@arrl.org>
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I'm OK with Mr. Siddall being added to ODV within the billing guidelines outlined by Howard. Rod, K0DAS On Tue, Sep 10, 2019 at 1:52 PM Dale Williams <dale.wms1@frontier.com> wrote:
Rick,
I support adding Mr Siddall to ODV.
73
Dale WA8EFK
On 9/9/2019 10:04 PM, Roderick, Rick, K5UR via arrl-odv wrote:
Thanks info, Howard.
What say folks? "Yes" or "no" to adding Dave to ODV.
73 Rick - K5UR
-----Original Message----- From: Michel, Howard, WB2ITX (CEO) <wb2itx@arrl.org> <wb2itx@arrl.org> To: Jairam, Ria, N2RJ, (Dir, HD) <rjairam@gmail.com> <rjairam@gmail.com>; Ritz, Mike, W7VO, (Dir, NW) <w7vo@comcast.net> <w7vo@comcast.net> Cc: arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> Sent: Mon, Sep 9, 2019 3:43 pm Subject: [arrl-odv:28728] Re: Addition of Mr. Siddall to ODV
To Ria's question, Dan researched it and can find nothing in the minutes or elsewhere stating counsel should not be added to reflectors. By precedent, Atty Imlay was on ODV and the EC reflectors. Regarding charges, in January Atty Siddall told me he would not charge for reading short emails, but I don't have anything in writing, or exact details about what constitutes "short." His contract specifies that he will not charge for phone calls of five minutes or less. When Atty Siddall was first contracted, he wasn’t sure whether it would be helpful for him to be on ODV. Since then he has reached out to Dan, me and I believe Rick saying that it would be helpful to have a better understanding of the Board's thinking when he is writing filings, etc. I think the above answers the open questions. Rick, I don't think you need a formal motion or a vote, but as a courtesy to the Board, you should confirm there are no other objections to adding Atty Siddall to ODV. 73, Howard
On 9/7/2019 7:17 PM, rjairam@gmail.com wrote:
To be clear, my concern only was with adhering to any resolutions we agreed on.
I have no problems with adding him either, provided we aren’t going against a previous resolution.
Ria, N2RJ
On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 6:20 PM Michael Ritz <w7vo@comcast.net> wrote:
As long as Mr. Siddall agrees that ODV time does not result in billable hours, I have no other issues with him being on this reflector. Greg is correct in that his insight and experience would be a valuable asset. I just don't know what his contract stipulates as to what constitutes billable hours.
73; Mike W7VO
On September 7, 2019 at 12:17 PM G Widin <gpwidin@comcast.net> wrote:
Mike’s points are well taken. At the same time, if Mr. Siddall were “reading the mail”, he would encounter issues where his advice, provided early on, could help the Board avoid mistakes or become aware of superior alternatives that they were not aware of.
If our counsel is good, in the long run having him along for the ride should be valuable and cost effective. Also, though I can’t find the e-mail in a quick search, I believe that Mr. Siddall has stated that he does not charge for time reading the mail, just as he has said he doesn’t charge for time to accept phone calls of reasonable length.
A final point—if Mr. Siddall rides along, whenever members of the Board feel that advice of counsel is appropriate, it will take him minimal time to get up to speed and provide that advice. If he is not on ODV, he will need to catch up (and I presume that time will be billable).
Just my comments on the other sideband. ;-) 73, Greg, K0GW
On Saturday, September 7, 2019, Michael Ritz < w7vo@comcast.net> wrote:
Here is my take on adding Mr. Siddall, K3ZJ to the ODV list: While as an insightful resource it'd be great to get his perspective on things, I have two considerations:
1. Mr. Siddall is essentially a highly paid consultant to the Board. I don't know what we have in the form of a contract with his firm, and don't know whether or not he's on any form of a retainer. If he's not on a retainer, he charges by the hour. Those hours are not inexpensive, and could potentially add up quickly if he's tasked with, or believes he is tasked with, researching a random question that comes up on ODV.
2. As a highly paid consultant, we probably should limit points of contact. Right now it's only select members of the EC that he's working with, on specific tasks related to the FCC filings. Would ODV be a distraction?
Just my two watts.
73; Mike W7VO
On September 4, 2019 at 5:10 PM Mark J Tharp < kb7hdx@gmail.com> wrote:
I seem to recall that discussion as well however do not recall the outcome.
IMHO I think we can include counsel via direct email and re-posts if necessary. As with Ria, I mean no disrespect to Mr. Siddall, but the ODV should be that, ODV.
Just the opinion of a back seat driver. :)
Mark, KB7HDX VD NW Div.
On Wed, Sep 4, 2019 at 1:58 PM rjairam@gmail.com < rjairam@gmail.com> wrote:
I also want to know.
And while I respect Mr. Siddall, I have to look back into my board book in January to see if we even allowed our counsel to be added to ODV. I do know Imlay was here but I thought that practice was now ended.
Need some clarity please. Let’s get this right.
Ria N2RJ
On Wed, Sep 4, 2019 at 4:55 PM Michael Ritz < w7vo@comcast.net> wrote:
"In accordance with Standing Order 89-1.43, I hope that newly elected Southwestern Division Vice Director Mark Weiss, K6FG, is added to the ODV list as soon as possible. 73,
Dick Norton, N6AA"
Question: Did Mark Weiss, K6FG, ever get added to the ODV reflector?
73; Mike W7VO
On September 4, 2019 at 12:19 PM "Henderson, Dan N1ND" < dhenderson@arrl.org> wrote:
At the direction of President Roderick, I have added Mr. Siddall to the ODV reflector.
Thanks and 73
Dan Henderson, N1ND Assistant Secretary – American Radio Relay League, Inc. Regulatory Information Manager ARRL, the national association for Amateur Radio ® 860-594-0236 dhenderson@arrl.org
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We should not ask Mr. Siddall to work for free. We hired him, all of his time should be billed. 73,Greg, W4OZK -------- Original message --------From: Michael Ritz <w7vo@comcast.net> Date: 9/7/19 5:20 PM (GMT-06:00) To: arrl-odv <arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org> Subject: [arrl-odv:28723] Re: Addition of Mr. Siddall to ODV As long as Mr. Siddall agrees that ODV time does not result in billable hours, I have no other issues with him being on this reflector. Greg is correct in that his insight and experience would be a valuable asset. I just don't know what his contract stipulates as to what constitutes billable hours. 73;MikeW7VOOn September 7, 2019 at 12:17 PM G Widin <gpwidin@comcast.net> wrote: Mike’s points are well taken.At the same time, if Mr. Siddall were “reading the mail”, he would encounter issues where his advice, provided early on, could help the Board avoid mistakes or become aware of superior alternatives that they were not aware of. If our counsel is good, in the long run having him along for the ride should be valuable and cost effective. Also, though I can’t find the e-mail in a quick search, I believe that Mr. Siddall has stated that he does not charge for time reading the mail, just as he has said he doesn’t charge for time to accept phone calls of reasonable length.A final point—if Mr. Siddall rides along, whenever members of the Board feel that advice of counsel is appropriate, it will take him minimal time to get up to speed and provide that advice. If he is not on ODV, he will need to catch up (and I presume that time will be billable).Just my comments on the other sideband. ;-)73, Greg, K0GW On Saturday, September 7, 2019, Michael Ritz < w7vo@comcast.net> wrote: Here is my take on adding Mr. Siddall, K3ZJ to the ODV list: While as an insightful resource it'd be great to get his perspective on things, I have two considerations:1. Mr. Siddall is essentially a highly paid consultant to the Board. I don't know what we have in the form of a contract with his firm, and don't know whether or not he's on any form of a retainer. If he's not on a retainer, he charges by the hour. Those hours are not inexpensive, and could potentially add up quickly if he's tasked with, or believes he is tasked with, researching a random question that comes up on ODV. 2. As a highly paid consultant, we probably should limit points of contact. Right now it's only select members of the EC that he's working with, on specific tasks related to the FCC filings. Would ODV be a distraction?Just my two watts.73;MikeW7VO On September 4, 2019 at 5:10 PM Mark J Tharp < kb7hdx@gmail.com> wrote: I seem to recall that discussion as well however do not recall the outcome. IMHO I think we can include counsel via direct email and re-posts if necessary. As with Ria, I mean no disrespect to Mr. Siddall, but the ODV should be that, ODV. Just the opinion of a back seat driver. :) Mark, KB7HDXVD NW Div. On Wed, Sep 4, 2019 at 1:58 PM rjairam@gmail.com < rjairam@gmail.com> wrote: I also want to know.And while I respect Mr. Siddall, I have to look back into my board book in January to see if we even allowed our counsel to be added to ODV. I do know Imlay was here but I thought that practice was now ended.Need some clarity please. Let’s get this right. RiaN2RJOn Wed, Sep 4, 2019 at 4:55 PM Michael Ritz < w7vo@comcast.net> wrote: "In accordance with Standing Order 89-1.43, I hope that newly elected Southwestern Division Vice Director Mark Weiss, K6FG, is added to the ODV list as soon as possible.73,Dick Norton, N6AA"Question: Did Mark Weiss, K6FG, ever get added to the ODV reflector? 73;MikeW7VOOn September 4, 2019 at 12:19 PM "Henderson, Dan N1ND" < dhenderson@arrl.org> wrote: At the direction of President Roderick, I have added Mr. Siddall to the ODV reflector. Thanks and 73 Dan Henderson, N1ND Assistant Secretary – American Radio Relay League, Inc. Regulatory Information Manager ARRL, the national association for Amateur Radio ®860-594-0236 dhenderson@arrl.org ______________________________ _________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv ______________________________ _________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv ______________________________ _________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv ______________________________ _________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv
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