[arrl-odv:24855] WRC-15 update
We are at most twenty hours away from the end of substantive proceedings at WRC-15, and all of the defensive items we have faced at this conference have either been resolved satisfactorily or are irreversibly on their way to that state. Within the last hour, several items for the WRC-19 agenda were formally approved. Among them is an effort to globally harmonize the 50-54 MHz allocation to the amateur service, and it appears this item will come first on the agenda, being numbered 1.1. Not that the numbering makes the work required any easier, but those that made the decision apparently did so consciously and with positive sentiment. We will likely face several defensive items on the WRC-19 agenda, all of which remain to be finalized. The IARU team remaining here has worked hard to minimize the potential impact. I will report further when the outcome is clearer. 73 de Brennan HB9/N4QX Brennan T. Price, N4QX Chief Technology Officer American Radio Relay League PO Box 3470 Oakton VA 22124-9470 Tel +1 860 594-0247
Brennan, Thanks for the update. I wonder if you could address a point you made in your previous update to the ODV. In [arrl-odv:24843], you mention in point #2 that the 70 cm band may be in jeopardy due to "(C)onsideration of new space operations service allocations for commercial small satellites at VHF and UHF." Furthermore you say that while "our 2 meter allocation seems to be safe, but 70 cm may be affected," Could you please clarify this? You say in your current email that "all of the defensive items " you've faced have "either been resolved satisfactorily or are irreversibly on their way to that state." Does that include the issue of 70 cm? As you know, the 70 cm band is critical to our members. 73, Mike - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mike Lisenco, N2YBB Director, Hudson Division ARRL - The national association for Amateur Radio™ 917-865-3538 n2ybb@arrl.org -----Original Message----- From: Price, Brennan, N4QX Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 10:04 AM To: arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:24855] WRC-15 update We are at most twenty hours away from the end of substantive proceedings at WRC-15, and all of the defensive items we have faced at this conference have either been resolved satisfactorily or are irreversibly on their way to that state. Within the last hour, several items for the WRC-19 agenda were formally approved. Among them is an effort to globally harmonize the 50-54 MHz allocation to the amateur service, and it appears this item will come first on the agenda, being numbered 1.1. Not that the numbering makes the work required any easier, but those that made the decision apparently did so consciously and with positive sentiment. We will likely face several defensive items on the WRC-19 agenda, all of which remain to be finalized. The IARU team remaining here has worked hard to minimize the potential impact. I will report further when the outcome is clearer. 73 de Brennan HB9/N4QX Brennan T. Price, N4QX Chief Technology Officer American Radio Relay League PO Box 3470 Oakton VA 22124-9470 Tel +1 860 594-0247 _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv
Mike, in case Brennan is grabbing a quick bite or is otherwise occupied, let me jump in and advise that it is a WRC-19 agenda issue and is not one of the WRC-15 defensive items Brennan was referring to. However, while the WRC-19 agenda issue is not yet fully resolved the indications are good with regard to both bands. We should know about the WRC-19 agenda in the next few hours. Interestingly, the space operations service issue is one of the last issues remaining to be resolved. 73, Dave K1ZZ -----Original Message----- From: arrl-odv [mailto:arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org] On Behalf Of Lisenco, Mike (DIR, Hudson) Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 11:45 AM To: Price, Brennan, N4QX; arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:24856] Re: WRC-15 update Brennan, Thanks for the update. I wonder if you could address a point you made in your previous update to the ODV. In [arrl-odv:24843], you mention in point #2 that the 70 cm band may be in jeopardy due to "(C)onsideration of new space operations service allocations for commercial small satellites at VHF and UHF." Furthermore you say that while "our 2 meter allocation seems to be safe, but 70 cm may be affected," Could you please clarify this? You say in your current email that "all of the defensive items " you've faced have "either been resolved satisfactorily or are irreversibly on their way to that state." Does that include the issue of 70 cm? As you know, the 70 cm band is critical to our members. 73, Mike - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mike Lisenco, N2YBB Director, Hudson Division ARRL - The national association for Amateur Radio™ 917-865-3538 n2ybb@arrl.org -----Original Message----- From: Price, Brennan, N4QX Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 10:04 AM To: arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:24855] WRC-15 update We are at most twenty hours away from the end of substantive proceedings at WRC-15, and all of the defensive items we have faced at this conference have either been resolved satisfactorily or are irreversibly on their way to that state. Within the last hour, several items for the WRC-19 agenda were formally approved. Among them is an effort to globally harmonize the 50-54 MHz allocation to the amateur service, and it appears this item will come first on the agenda, being numbered 1.1. Not that the numbering makes the work required any easier, but those that made the decision apparently did so consciously and with positive sentiment. We will likely face several defensive items on the WRC-19 agenda, all of which remain to be finalized. The IARU team remaining here has worked hard to minimize the potential impact. I will report further when the outcome is clearer. 73 de Brennan HB9/N4QX Brennan T. Price, N4QX Chief Technology Officer American Radio Relay League PO Box 3470 Oakton VA 22124-9470 Tel +1 860 594-0247 _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv
Mike, I should have done a better job differentiating the two classes of defensive items. The agenda for each WRC is set by the previous WRC. In addition to dealing with the existing agenda, we are in the final stages of setting the 2019 agenda. The 2015 items are on their way to satisfactory conclusions. The space ops item is contemplated for 2019, and we have been trying to minimize or eliminate our exposure. This item for 2019 is still in flux, and I can't report responsibly on a likely outcome at this time. I can report that we've been working closely with DOD and other friendly interests to get 420-450 excluded, and have some hope, but no certainty, of success. --Brennan Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the Verizon Wireless 4G LTE network. Original Message From: Lisenco, Mike (DIR, Hudson) Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 17:44 To: Price, Brennan, N4QX; arrl-odv Subject: Re: [arrl-odv:24855] WRC-15 update Brennan, Thanks for the update. I wonder if you could address a point you made in your previous update to the ODV. In [arrl-odv:24843], you mention in point #2 that the 70 cm band may be in jeopardy due to "(C)onsideration of new space operations service allocations for commercial small satellites at VHF and UHF." Furthermore you say that while "our 2 meter allocation seems to be safe, but 70 cm may be affected," Could you please clarify this? You say in your current email that "all of the defensive items " you've faced have "either been resolved satisfactorily or are irreversibly on their way to that state." Does that include the issue of 70 cm? As you know, the 70 cm band is critical to our members. 73, Mike - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mike Lisenco, N2YBB Director, Hudson Division ARRL - The national association for Amateur Radio™ 917-865-3538 n2ybb@arrl.org -----Original Message----- From: Price, Brennan, N4QX Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 10:04 AM To: arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:24855] WRC-15 update We are at most twenty hours away from the end of substantive proceedings at WRC-15, and all of the defensive items we have faced at this conference have either been resolved satisfactorily or are irreversibly on their way to that state. Within the last hour, several items for the WRC-19 agenda were formally approved. Among them is an effort to globally harmonize the 50-54 MHz allocation to the amateur service, and it appears this item will come first on the agenda, being numbered 1.1. Not that the numbering makes the work required any easier, but those that made the decision apparently did so consciously and with positive sentiment. We will likely face several defensive items on the WRC-19 agenda, all of which remain to be finalized. The IARU team remaining here has worked hard to minimize the potential impact. I will report further when the outcome is clearer. 73 de Brennan HB9/N4QX Brennan T. Price, N4QX Chief Technology Officer American Radio Relay League PO Box 3470 Oakton VA 22124-9470 Tel +1 860 594-0247 _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv
Brennan is closer to the action so I will defer to his slightly more cautious characterization of the state of play on 420-450 MHz being included in the space operations service agenda item (which is itself, as of earlier today, not absolutely certain of inclusion in the WRC-19 agenda). Either way, we will soon know. Dave -----Original Message----- From: arrl-odv [mailto:arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org] On Behalf Of Price, Brennan, N4QX Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 11:57 AM To: Lisenco, Mike (DIR, Hudson); arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:24859] Re: WRC-15 update Mike, I should have done a better job differentiating the two classes of defensive items. The agenda for each WRC is set by the previous WRC. In addition to dealing with the existing agenda, we are in the final stages of setting the 2019 agenda. The 2015 items are on their way to satisfactory conclusions. The space ops item is contemplated for 2019, and we have been trying to minimize or eliminate our exposure. This item for 2019 is still in flux, and I can't report responsibly on a likely outcome at this time. I can report that we've been working closely with DOD and other friendly interests to get 420-450 excluded, and have some hope, but no certainty, of success. --Brennan Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the Verizon Wireless 4G LTE network. Original Message From: Lisenco, Mike (DIR, Hudson) Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 17:44 To: Price, Brennan, N4QX; arrl-odv Subject: Re: [arrl-odv:24855] WRC-15 update Brennan, Thanks for the update. I wonder if you could address a point you made in your previous update to the ODV. In [arrl-odv:24843], you mention in point #2 that the 70 cm band may be in jeopardy due to "(C)onsideration of new space operations service allocations for commercial small satellites at VHF and UHF." Furthermore you say that while "our 2 meter allocation seems to be safe, but 70 cm may be affected," Could you please clarify this? You say in your current email that "all of the defensive items " you've faced have "either been resolved satisfactorily or are irreversibly on their way to that state." Does that include the issue of 70 cm? As you know, the 70 cm band is critical to our members. 73, Mike - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mike Lisenco, N2YBB Director, Hudson Division ARRL - The national association for Amateur Radio™ 917-865-3538 n2ybb@arrl.org -----Original Message----- From: Price, Brennan, N4QX Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 10:04 AM To: arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:24855] WRC-15 update We are at most twenty hours away from the end of substantive proceedings at WRC-15, and all of the defensive items we have faced at this conference have either been resolved satisfactorily or are irreversibly on their way to that state. Within the last hour, several items for the WRC-19 agenda were formally approved. Among them is an effort to globally harmonize the 50-54 MHz allocation to the amateur service, and it appears this item will come first on the agenda, being numbered 1.1. Not that the numbering makes the work required any easier, but those that made the decision apparently did so consciously and with positive sentiment. We will likely face several defensive items on the WRC-19 agenda, all of which remain to be finalized. The IARU team remaining here has worked hard to minimize the potential impact. I will report further when the outcome is clearer. 73 de Brennan HB9/N4QX Brennan T. Price, N4QX Chief Technology Officer American Radio Relay League PO Box 3470 Oakton VA 22124-9470 Tel +1 860 594-0247 _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv
The proceedings on the WRC-19 agenda are not efficiently progressing. At this stage, the three most likely outcomes on the Space Operations Service item are: 1) Removal of the 420-450 MHz band from consideration at WRC-19, 2) Retention of the 420-450 MHz band for further consideration, but not until WRC-23, and 3) Removal of the 420-450 MHz band from consideration, AND deferral until 2023. That's two out of three clear wins, and a third outcome to which my wife's philosophy of litigation would apply: Justice delayed is justice. This is unlikely to be resolved until tomorrow Geneva time. We have moved on to IMT in the UHF television band. That this is now considered a simpler topic than the WRC-19 agenda speaks volumes about how complex the future agenda is. Brennan T. Price, N4QX Chief Technology Officer American Radio Relay League PO Box 3470 Oakton VA 22124-9470 Tel +1 860 594-0247 ________________________________________ From: Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 12:00 To: Price, Brennan, N4QX; Lisenco, Mike (DIR, Hudson); arrl-odv Subject: RE: [arrl-odv:24859] Re: WRC-15 update Brennan is closer to the action so I will defer to his slightly more cautious characterization of the state of play on 420-450 MHz being included in the space operations service agenda item (which is itself, as of earlier today, not absolutely certain of inclusion in the WRC-19 agenda). Either way, we will soon know. Dave -----Original Message----- From: arrl-odv [mailto:arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org] On Behalf Of Price, Brennan, N4QX Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 11:57 AM To: Lisenco, Mike (DIR, Hudson); arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:24859] Re: WRC-15 update Mike, I should have done a better job differentiating the two classes of defensive items. The agenda for each WRC is set by the previous WRC. In addition to dealing with the existing agenda, we are in the final stages of setting the 2019 agenda. The 2015 items are on their way to satisfactory conclusions. The space ops item is contemplated for 2019, and we have been trying to minimize or eliminate our exposure. This item for 2019 is still in flux, and I can't report responsibly on a likely outcome at this time. I can report that we've been working closely with DOD and other friendly interests to get 420-450 excluded, and have some hope, but no certainty, of success. --Brennan Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the Verizon Wireless 4G LTE network. Original Message From: Lisenco, Mike (DIR, Hudson) Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 17:44 To: Price, Brennan, N4QX; arrl-odv Subject: Re: [arrl-odv:24855] WRC-15 update Brennan, Thanks for the update. I wonder if you could address a point you made in your previous update to the ODV. In [arrl-odv:24843], you mention in point #2 that the 70 cm band may be in jeopardy due to "(C)onsideration of new space operations service allocations for commercial small satellites at VHF and UHF." Furthermore you say that while "our 2 meter allocation seems to be safe, but 70 cm may be affected," Could you please clarify this? You say in your current email that "all of the defensive items " you've faced have "either been resolved satisfactorily or are irreversibly on their way to that state." Does that include the issue of 70 cm? As you know, the 70 cm band is critical to our members. 73, Mike - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mike Lisenco, N2YBB Director, Hudson Division ARRL - The national association for Amateur Radio™ 917-865-3538 n2ybb@arrl.org -----Original Message----- From: Price, Brennan, N4QX Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 10:04 AM To: arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:24855] WRC-15 update We are at most twenty hours away from the end of substantive proceedings at WRC-15, and all of the defensive items we have faced at this conference have either been resolved satisfactorily or are irreversibly on their way to that state. Within the last hour, several items for the WRC-19 agenda were formally approved. Among them is an effort to globally harmonize the 50-54 MHz allocation to the amateur service, and it appears this item will come first on the agenda, being numbered 1.1. Not that the numbering makes the work required any easier, but those that made the decision apparently did so consciously and with positive sentiment. We will likely face several defensive items on the WRC-19 agenda, all of which remain to be finalized. The IARU team remaining here has worked hard to minimize the potential impact. I will report further when the outcome is clearer. 73 de Brennan HB9/N4QX Brennan T. Price, N4QX Chief Technology Officer American Radio Relay League PO Box 3470 Oakton VA 22124-9470 Tel +1 860 594-0247 _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv
Thanks for the clarification. 73 es Happy Thanksgiving to all de Mike N2YBB -----Original Message----- From: Price, Brennan, N4QX Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 11:56 AM To: Lisenco, Mike (DIR, Hudson) ; arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:24859] Re: WRC-15 update Mike, I should have done a better job differentiating the two classes of defensive items. The agenda for each WRC is set by the previous WRC. In addition to dealing with the existing agenda, we are in the final stages of setting the 2019 agenda. The 2015 items are on their way to satisfactory conclusions. The space ops item is contemplated for 2019, and we have been trying to minimize or eliminate our exposure. This item for 2019 is still in flux, and I can't report responsibly on a likely outcome at this time. I can report that we've been working closely with DOD and other friendly interests to get 420-450 excluded, and have some hope, but no certainty, of success. --Brennan Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the Verizon Wireless 4G LTE network. Original Message From: Lisenco, Mike (DIR, Hudson) Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 17:44 To: Price, Brennan, N4QX; arrl-odv Subject: Re: [arrl-odv:24855] WRC-15 update Brennan, Thanks for the update. I wonder if you could address a point you made in your previous update to the ODV. In [arrl-odv:24843], you mention in point #2 that the 70 cm band may be in jeopardy due to "(C)onsideration of new space operations service allocations for commercial small satellites at VHF and UHF." Furthermore you say that while "our 2 meter allocation seems to be safe, but 70 cm may be affected," Could you please clarify this? You say in your current email that "all of the defensive items " you've faced have "either been resolved satisfactorily or are irreversibly on their way to that state." Does that include the issue of 70 cm? As you know, the 70 cm band is critical to our members. 73, Mike - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mike Lisenco, N2YBB Director, Hudson Division ARRL - The national association for Amateur Radio™ 917-865-3538 n2ybb@arrl.org -----Original Message----- From: Price, Brennan, N4QX Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 10:04 AM To: arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:24855] WRC-15 update We are at most twenty hours away from the end of substantive proceedings at WRC-15, and all of the defensive items we have faced at this conference have either been resolved satisfactorily or are irreversibly on their way to that state. Within the last hour, several items for the WRC-19 agenda were formally approved. Among them is an effort to globally harmonize the 50-54 MHz allocation to the amateur service, and it appears this item will come first on the agenda, being numbered 1.1. Not that the numbering makes the work required any easier, but those that made the decision apparently did so consciously and with positive sentiment. We will likely face several defensive items on the WRC-19 agenda, all of which remain to be finalized. The IARU team remaining here has worked hard to minimize the potential impact. I will report further when the outcome is clearer. 73 de Brennan HB9/N4QX Brennan T. Price, N4QX Chief Technology Officer American Radio Relay League PO Box 3470 Oakton VA 22124-9470 Tel +1 860 594-0247 _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv
For Brennan and the other US folks in Geneva, tomorrow is just another workday. Brennan, I hope you get some time to relax before the CPM starts. Dave -----Original Message----- From: arrl-odv [mailto:arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org] On Behalf Of Lisenco, Mike (DIR, Hudson) Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 12:03 PM To: Price, Brennan, N4QX; Lisenco, Mike (DIR, Hudson); arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:24861] Re: WRC-15 update Thanks for the clarification. 73 es Happy Thanksgiving to all de Mike N2YBB -----Original Message----- From: Price, Brennan, N4QX Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 11:56 AM To: Lisenco, Mike (DIR, Hudson) ; arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:24859] Re: WRC-15 update Mike, I should have done a better job differentiating the two classes of defensive items. The agenda for each WRC is set by the previous WRC. In addition to dealing with the existing agenda, we are in the final stages of setting the 2019 agenda. The 2015 items are on their way to satisfactory conclusions. The space ops item is contemplated for 2019, and we have been trying to minimize or eliminate our exposure. This item for 2019 is still in flux, and I can't report responsibly on a likely outcome at this time. I can report that we've been working closely with DOD and other friendly interests to get 420-450 excluded, and have some hope, but no certainty, of success. --Brennan Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the Verizon Wireless 4G LTE network. Original Message From: Lisenco, Mike (DIR, Hudson) Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 17:44 To: Price, Brennan, N4QX; arrl-odv Subject: Re: [arrl-odv:24855] WRC-15 update Brennan, Thanks for the update. I wonder if you could address a point you made in your previous update to the ODV. In [arrl-odv:24843], you mention in point #2 that the 70 cm band may be in jeopardy due to "(C)onsideration of new space operations service allocations for commercial small satellites at VHF and UHF." Furthermore you say that while "our 2 meter allocation seems to be safe, but 70 cm may be affected," Could you please clarify this? You say in your current email that "all of the defensive items " you've faced have "either been resolved satisfactorily or are irreversibly on their way to that state." Does that include the issue of 70 cm? As you know, the 70 cm band is critical to our members. 73, Mike - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Mike Lisenco, N2YBB Director, Hudson Division ARRL - The national association for Amateur Radio™ 917-865-3538 n2ybb@arrl.org -----Original Message----- From: Price, Brennan, N4QX Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2015 10:04 AM To: arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:24855] WRC-15 update We are at most twenty hours away from the end of substantive proceedings at WRC-15, and all of the defensive items we have faced at this conference have either been resolved satisfactorily or are irreversibly on their way to that state. Within the last hour, several items for the WRC-19 agenda were formally approved. Among them is an effort to globally harmonize the 50-54 MHz allocation to the amateur service, and it appears this item will come first on the agenda, being numbered 1.1. Not that the numbering makes the work required any easier, but those that made the decision apparently did so consciously and with positive sentiment. We will likely face several defensive items on the WRC-19 agenda, all of which remain to be finalized. The IARU team remaining here has worked hard to minimize the potential impact. I will report further when the outcome is clearer. 73 de Brennan HB9/N4QX Brennan T. Price, N4QX Chief Technology Officer American Radio Relay League PO Box 3470 Oakton VA 22124-9470 Tel +1 860 594-0247 _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv _______________________________________________ arrl-odv mailing list arrl-odv@reflector.arrl.org https://reflector.arrl.org/mailman/listinfo/arrl-odv
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