WAC is an IARU award, and I can safely say that the IARU will not issue a single-band 60-meter award (at least until there is an international allocation). I have mixed feelings about WAS. On the one hand, it's certainly true that we don't want the few channels that are available to be clogged with awards-chasing. On the other, we do want to encourage people to equip their stations for 60 meters and to gain operating experience there so that they will be able to use the frequencies effectively when need arises. I was pretty disappointed that there was no reported use of 60 meters in the Katrina aftermath. Of course, it's debatable that offering an award like WAS is the best way to address that. Probably it would be best to let P&SC discuss it at their meeting and formulate a recommendation. Dave K1ZZ -----Original Message----- From: Coy Day [mailto:n5ok@arrl.org] Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 6:09 PM To: arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:15403] Re:RE: RE: RE: [Fwd: 60M DX] After further consideration, I think I want to word my proposal a little differently. Maybe it should read: Awards and contest credit for QSO's on 60 meters will be given consideration only after an international allocation is made and then only for QSO's made after that date. Bob Vallio reminded me that we have folks that chase WAC, WAS, etc. So we need a catch all statement. Coy -- Coy Day, N5OK 20685 SW 29 Union City, OK 73090 405-483-5632 John Bellows wrote:

FWIW PSC has this question on its April 21st meeting agenda as an Awards item.

In the event this is viewed as a question better addressed directly by the Board or administratively by the MVP staff or the Awards Committee we can pull the agenda item.

Jay, KØQB

-----Original Message----- From: Coy Day [mailto:n5ok@arrl.org] Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 1:27 PM To: arrl-odv Cc: arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:15401] Re: RE: RE: [Fwd: 60M DX]

Dave,

I been thinking about this and I think Dave has the solution. I might have worded it a little differently. I think I would like for it to read something like this: DXCC/Challenge credit for QSO's on 60 meters will be given consideration after an international allocation is made and then only for QSO's made after that date.

Coy

-- Coy Day, N5OK 20685 SW 29 Union City, OK 73090 405-483-5632

Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ wrote:

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It might be useful to emphasize that Challenge credit will only be given for QSOs dated after an international allocation is made. That's a policy decision but it's a fairly obvious one.

Dave K1ZZ

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From: Jim Weaver [mailto:k8je@arrl.org] Sent: Fri 4/6/2007 10:37 PM To: arrl-odv Subject: RE: [arrl-odv:15393] RE: [arrl-odv:15390] [Fwd: 60M DX]

Dave,

Tnx for the discussion. It is helpful, of course.

Coy pointed out I misread Ken's recommendation. In rereading it, it is obvious I over interpreted his comment on "never" issuing credits for 60M Qs.

Jim Weaver, K8JE, Director

ARRL Great Lakes Division

5065 Bethany Rd.

Mason, OH 45040

E-mail: k8je@arrl.org <mailto:k8je@arrl.org> ; Tel.: 513-459-0142

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-----Original Message----- From: Sumner, Dave, K1ZZ [mailto:dsumner@arrl.org] Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 4:38 PM To: arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:15393] RE: [arrl-odv:15390] [Fwd: 60M DX]

Jim, we have never accepted 60 meter QSOs for contest credit. I can't imagine that we ever would, given that we don't for 30, 17 and 12 meters, and I don't think it's an issue in anyone's mind.

It has been pretty much a moot point to now with regard to DXCC, but N8S had the potential to change that. The caution we put out seems to have been pretty well received.

The rules already prohibit 60-meter QSOs for the Challenge. I'm sure there are people collecting countries on 60 meters. It's human nature. However, the DXCC program, being international, should not grant DXCC Challenge credit for 60 meter QSOs until such time as there is an international allocation. There is no prohibition on basic DXCC credit -- that is, credit toward mixed or phone DXCC on the basis of a legal 60-meter QSO -- nor does there need to be since few people will work a country on 60 meters that they don't already have on another band.

Worked All States is another matter. We have already had an inquiry as to whether we would issue a 60-meter WAS. I have asked Dave Patton to refer it to P&SC. There are pros and cons, but WAS is unlikely to get out of hand the way chasing countries would. It would be more likely to evolve into a controlled net like the various 75-meter WAS nets that have existed.

73,

Dave K1ZZ

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From: Jim Weaver [mailto:k8je@arrl.org] Sent: Fri 4/6/2007 8:52 PM To: arrl-odv Subject: RE: [arrl-odv:15390] [Fwd: 60M DX]

I, too, received a forward of the 60M proposal from one of my members. I believe there is merit in the basic reco. I think he goes overboard in wanting a firm statement that we will NEVER accept 60 M QSOs for awards/contests, but this is a detail that could be worked. A simple statement that 60M QSOs do not count for DXCC and contests should be enough. Assuming we are successful at getting a true 60M "band" in the future, this position could be reviewed.

Not being on 60, I've not paid much attention to the band. Have we accepted Qs for DXCC and contest credit in the past? If we have, we would need to figure out how to handle these.

Jim

Jim Weaver, K8JE, Director ARRL Great Lakes Division 5065 Bethany Rd. Mason, OH 45040 E-mail: k8je@arrl.org; Tel.: 513-459-0142 ARRL - The Reason Amateur Radio Is! Members - The Reason ARRL Is!

-----Original Message----- From: Coy Day [mailto:n5ok@arrl.org] Sent: Friday, April 06, 2007 11:05 AM To: arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:15390] [Fwd: 60M DX]

Hi Folks,

Thought I would forward Ken's note as I had the same feelings when Dave put out the caution on 60 meters earlier in the week. I'm afraid that if we don't take action we may lose a very valuable band for EmComm.

Coy -- Coy Day, N5OK 20685 SW 29 Union City, OK 73090 405-483-5632

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Subject: 60M DX From: "Ken - K5KC" <k5kc@suddenlink.net> Date: Fri, April 6, 2007 09:50 To: n5ok@arrl.org

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Hi Coy,

I'm actually writing on "business" (hi)!!

I've read at least two warnings / concerns from ARRL about DXing on

60M.

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It all makes perfect sense - and I agree with it - BUT, the request (in my opinion) is without teeth, will likely influence only minor behavior changes, and has the potential to REALLY upset some DXers. Let me explain and make a suggestion.

First, the suggestion: ARRL should decree right away that 60M is NOT a DX band and, as such, QSOs made will NOT now or in the future count toward the Challenge or 60M DXCC or anything else from ARRL. IF AND WHEN THIS CHANGES, ARRL will notify us all that only as of some future date will QSOs count toward the ARRL DX program.

Now, the explanation. You have surely noticed that a few heavyweight DXers have begun to show up in the spots on 60. And, of course, there are many DX commoners also chasing DX there. THEY ARE COVERING THEIR TAILS so they are not behind if and when 60M is added to the Challenge list. I cannot blame them. If left alone, they will continue to (carefully) chase DX and rack up the countries. Suppose some ham DOES take ARRL's request seriously and does NOT use 60M for DXing. They are going to be madder than $%^&* if ARRL later does allow DX QSOs being made now to count. If that were to happen, I could not blame them for being mad.

Since I am writing to you in your capacity as a BoD member, feel free to send this input along to whomever - if you think it represents a rational line of thought.

73 Ken K5KC