Mike, It is not a matter of cost, it is a matter of ethics. If any candidate wants to speak with an Officer, Director or Vice Director privately, either by email, phone or any means, that is fine. But to do so via a remailer whose purpose is official organizational business is not appropriate. 73 Joel W5ZN -----Original Message----- From: Mike Raisbeck [mailto:raisbeck@comcast.net] Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 8:40 PM To: arrl-odv Subject: RE: [arrl-odv:15888] RE: [arrl-odv:15884] Division election mailings, ideas Hi Joel, I understand your point, but of course it started me thinking about just where limits might or should be placed. I present to you the following 4 scenarios: 1 - candidate sends campaign related email to the ODV list 2 - candidate compiles a personal email list of everyone on ODV and uses that, rather than sending email to ODV directly a) using each person's arrl.org address b) using each person's arrl.net address c) using each person's non-ARRL address (discovered from the ODV document that lists individual direct email addresses) So, we have 4 cases: In case 1, the ODV list is a private list, which is a League resource. In case 2(a), the board member email addresses are widely disseminated on the internet, but the email addresses are available only to those with official League position. In case 2(b), the email addresses used are available to any League member. In these first 3 cases, the "cost" to the League is identical. The email servers really don't care which one you use!! In case 2(c), it could be argued that no League resources were being used at all, unless one counts the initial peek at the list in the ODV area. However, the real cost (measured in minute fractions of a cent !!) between the first 3 cases and the 4th case is so small that I would argue it to be de minimus. So which if any of these 4 cases should be restricted? I suggest that the differences between these 4 cases are so small as to be meaningless. Each of us on the ODV list knows, by first name, all the other members of the list. If members of the board family want send mail to the list, for whatever purpose they might have, let them do so. Thoughts ??? 73, Mike K1TWF -----Original Message----- From: Brian Mileshosky [mailto:n5zgt@swcp.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2007 12:12 PM To: arrl-odv Cc: arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:15888] RE: [arrl-odv:15884] Division election mailings, ideas Joel -- Thanks for the note. I'll certainly temper my posts accordingly in the future. My apologies. 73, Brian, N5ZGT On Wed, 8 Aug 2007, Joel Harrison wrote:

Brian,

I want to wish you and all of the candidates the best of luck in the coming months during our 2007 Director/Vice Director election period.

Respectfully, though, I must tell you that your post is not appropriate for ODV for any Officer, Director or Vice Director. ODV provides an avenue for you to use at League expense that is not available to others, and is for the purpose of facilitating ARRL related business, but not activities on behalf of a candidate for the office of Director or Vice Director.

Please call me if you have any questions.

73 Joel W5ZN

ARRL President

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From: Brian Mileshosky [mailto:n5zgt@swcp.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 10:22 PM To: arrl-odv Subject: [arrl-odv:15884] Division election mailings, ideas

Ladies and Gentlemen --

I don't believe there's any problem with sending this type of email to ODV in terms of appropriateness, as I'm not campaigning for any votes here. My sincere apologies in advance if I'm wrong.

As you all know, I will be seeking election to Rocky Mountain Division's director this fall since Rev is hanging up the gloves after all these years. My opposition will be tough, as he is a well-known section manager of Colorado - a section that has nearly 50% of the members in my division. Hence my challenge.

I've been reading candidate statements on the ODV side of the web, and am picking up lots of ideas there. What I am interested in - for those of you who've done it before - are ideas for mailings to the membership. I need to do this. If you sent a mailing to your members, can you please contact me OFF-LIST and tell me what you did? If you have it in electronic form, I'd love to see what worked for you.

The main challenge I need to overcome is chipping away at the Colorado base, somehow. There are no more hamfests in Colorado that I can attend, and I've consulted a few active hams who told me that there's really no dominant clubs in Colorado that'd provide a bunch of members at any given club meeting. So I'm thinking that a darn good mailing, candidate statement and perhaps a website is all I really have to go off of, along with perhaps a letter of candidacy to Colorado (and other) clubs for posting on their websites or newsletter (if they wish).

I'm open for ideas, as I dearly want to be seated at the front row this January. Your clever and effective ideas would be appreciated (again, please send off-list and not to ODV).

Thank you and 73,

Brian N5ZGT

ARRL Vice-Director, Rocky Mountain Division

ARRL Vice-Director, Rocky Mountain Division