I agree with Mike on this. However the reality is that 5G is the next big thing at the FCC. So I’m hoping there is some appetite to keep at least a small secondary allocation on 3.4 even if it’s not the full allocation we’ve had. 73 Ria, N2RJ On Thu, Dec 19, 2019 at 1:10 PM Michael Ritz <w7vo@comcast.net> wrote:

ODV Team;

I noticed today that the ARRL sent out a notice of the results of the recent FCC meeting, which apparently did not exactly go in our favor. When you get a chance, please read the thoughtful letter sent to me about the actions from Del, WA7AQH. This current FCC action is a very important threat to the future of our hobby, and we cannot afford to sit on our hands.

I hope that we will STRONGLY defend the 3.3 and 5.9 GHz bands, to save the future of our EmComm mission, as stated in FCC Part 97 as the basis. (I fully realize we are a secondary allocation on 5.9). We need to make sure that the FCC knows STRONGLY where we stand on this.

Alaska and the State of Washington already have robust AREDN/HamWAN networks deployed, and are working with local EMs to show them what amateur radio can do with this technology. I attended a FEMA Region 10 meeting earlier in the year, where HamWAN technology was a keynote seminar presented by local hams, with a live demonstration of the technology in front of a room full of EMs, FEMA employees, and their partners from all over the Northwest. Oregon hams are currently gearing up to join them. Early in January I'm attending a meeting of the new Oregon AREDN group, and I'd like to tell them that we will *aggressively* pursue a defeat of this FCC proposal.

Members don't think we are, or have been, doing enough to voice our opposition on this, and based on what I've seen come out of the ARRL so far I would have to agree with them.

73; Mike W7VO

---------- Original Message ---------- From: Del Morissette <wa7aqh@gmail.com> To: Mike Ritz <W7VO@arrl.org> Cc: "Mark J. Tharp" <kb7hdx@gmail.com>, Jack Tiley <jwtiley1@comcast.net>, Asa Jay Laughton <asajay@asajay.com>, Chad - KA7HAK <chad@verishare.net>, Joe Ayers <joe@ayerscasa.com>, Rod Ekholm <kc7aad@gmail.com>, Mel Ming < teammel@gmail.com> Date: December 17, 2019 at 8:14 PM Subject: FCC NPRM on 5 and 3 GHZ bands

Mike, I'm growing more concerned about the proposals within the FCC to eliminate amateur radio usage of the 3 GHZ band and open up the 5 GHZ band to additional users that will have a very detrimental effect on amateur radio usage of that band.

My concerns are focused in four areas:

1. Reading the commissioners' statements, they've clearly made up their mind on these changes.

They are unanimously and strongly in favor of making the changes. Consequently it's going to take a tremendous amount of work if we're to have any influence on the final decision. They don't even acknowledge that the changes will have any material impact on amateur radio. My guess would be they're unaware of the amateur radio emcomm activity on either of those bands.

2. I don't see much urgency on the ARRL's part to prevent this from happening.

It didn't even make the latest ARRL newsletter as an issue. The one article on the web site certainly doesn't reflect any sense that this is a big deal. What comments from the League I've seen are focused on the 3 GHZ band because we're being completely shut off on that band and it has potential impact on amateur satellite work. My personal opinion is that, even though we're secondary on the 5 GHZ band, that change will have as large or even larger detrimental impact on our ability to support emergency communications than being shut out of 3 GHZ (and that impact is large). The noise level increase on what are now, essentially, amateur radio only frequencies (because the primary users are inactive), will make it very, very difficult to reliably function.

If we're to have any influence on these decisions, it will take a rapid, concerted effort on all our part. Even with making it a priority, ARRL opposition to an action that has significant congressional support/mandate isn't going to be enough. For example, we need to enlist comments supportive of our position from every Emergency Management Department Director in the country (or at least those that understand what AREDN and HamWan bring them) if we're to have any hope of mitigating the impact of these issues. At a minimum I would like to see the League coordinate that effort.

3. The ability to effectively use these bands is crucial for amateur radio to remain a relevant asset in emergency communication.

Today emergency management lives in a multi-megabit world, and 1200/9600 baud just doesn't cut it for them anymore. If we're no longer an effective emcomm asset, we lose the primary reason, in the minds of regulators at least, for our very existence. That brings great vulnerability to every other frequency we use.

Unless they don't have anything better, Emergency Management Directors have little interest in a resource that runs at 1200/9600 baud and is completely unusable for passing anything other than plain text files. What they have great interest in is an amateur radio service that can, when everything else is down, provide them with remote cameras that can give them immediate situation assessment, the ability to video chat with field personnel, conference calls/video chats across field teams, direct keyboard chat, direct filing of ICS forms to a common repository where they can be accessed in seconds by the (non-amateur radio operator) people that need to act on them, etc. And do all of that sitting at their desk/in their tent wherever that might be. Cities such as Irvine, California, have seen enough value in that capability that they've funded and supported a full build out of AREDN that covers the entire city. We have growing support in Spokane County for a similar project. Both the county radio shop and county IT are fully supporting our AREDN pilot with the expectation of a full build out over the next two years as a county owned asset.

4. Tangentially related to the above, but still critical: High speed data networks operating on amateur radio frequencies are attracting new, younger people into amateur radio.

It's the entry point that then shows them all the other facets of the service that can intrigue them. In the space of less than six months, we've had three new members (all under 40) join our ARES-ACS group specifically because of our AREDN project. Lowering the average age in the room is as critical to the survival of amateur radio as filling a valuable emcomm role, and 1200/9600 baud data isn't going to be much help to do either.

Those are my concerns. I've talked with our Spokane County Emergency Coordinator, Asa Jay Laughton, and he shares those concerns. We'll be working with our local Department of Emergency Management to submit comments supportive of our position. I'm asking the League to give these NPRMs the urgency and priority they deserve and quickly organize the amateur radio and emergency management community across the country to provide a timely, effective response as well. DHS and FEMA should both have an interest in the impact of these NPRMs on a growing amateur radio capability that provides a unique service to them and local agencies.

I so appreciate that you're our board representative. I doubt I've raised anything here that you're not already aware of or, perhaps, even thinking, but wanted to give you any ammunition I can to move the issue forward.

Thanks for representing us well..

73,

Del

" Many care, many are moved to tears, many feel deeply, but few answer the call ." -- Bill Fortney

"If not us, who? If not now, when?" -- Ronald Reagan adapted from Rabbi Hillel

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This may have been overlooked in the recent changes. Until recently ARRL has made serious efforts to build alliances with stakeholders that have primary or secondary allocations in or adjacent to our UHF and microwave allocations. We have made particular efforts to work with DOD and in other NTIA users. This has proven successful in the past, particularly because those users have a strong voice in these matters. Our prior counsel in Washington made a particular effort to build and maintain these contacts. I hope the EC has instructed current communication counsel to make a similar effort. The bottom line is we need every friend we can find on our side and building these alliances is crucial to protecting our allocations, particularly at a time when those allegations are under increasing pressure from commercial interests 73, Jay, K0QB

On Dec 19, 2019, at 12:11 PM, Michael Ritz <w7vo@comcast.net> wrote:

 ODV Team;

I noticed today that the ARRL sent out a notice of the results of the recent FCC meeting, which apparently did not exactly go in our favor. When you get a chance, please read the thoughtful letter sent to me about the actions from Del, WA7AQH. This current FCC action is a very important threat to the future of our hobby, and we cannot afford to sit on our hands.

I hope that we will STRONGLY defend the 3.3 and 5.9 GHz bands, to save the future of our EmComm mission, as stated in FCC Part 97 as the basis. (I fully realize we are a secondary allocation on 5.9). We need to make sure that the FCC knows STRONGLY where we stand on this.

Alaska and the State of Washington already have robust AREDN/HamWAN networks deployed, and are working with local EMs to show them what amateur radio can do with this technology. I attended a FEMA Region 10 meeting earlier in the year, where HamWAN technology was a keynote seminar presented by local hams, with a live demonstration of the technology in front of a room full of EMs, FEMA employees, and their partners from all over the Northwest. Oregon hams are currently gearing up to join them. Early in January I'm attending a meeting of the new Oregon AREDN group, and I'd like to tell them that we will aggressively pursue a defeat of this FCC proposal.

Members don't think we are, or have been, doing enough to voice our opposition on this, and based on what I've seen come out of the ARRL so far I would have to agree with them.

73; Mike W7VO

...

---------- Original Message ---------- From: Del Morissette <wa7aqh@gmail.com> To: Mike Ritz <W7VO@arrl.org> Cc: "Mark J. Tharp" <kb7hdx@gmail.com>, Jack Tiley <jwtiley1@comcast.net>, Asa Jay Laughton <asajay@asajay.com>, Chad - KA7HAK <chad@verishare.net>, Joe Ayers <joe@ayerscasa.com>, Rod Ekholm <kc7aad@gmail.com>, Mel Ming <teammel@gmail.com> Date: December 17, 2019 at 8:14 PM Subject: FCC NPRM on 5 and 3 GHZ bands

Mike, I'm growing more concerned about the proposals within the FCC to eliminate amateur radio usage of the 3 GHZ band and open up the 5 GHZ band to additional users that will have a very detrimental effect on amateur radio usage of that band.

My concerns are focused in four areas:

1. Reading the commissioners' statements, they've clearly made up their mind on these changes.

They are unanimously and strongly in favor of making the changes. Consequently it's going to take a tremendous amount of work if we're to have any influence on the final decision. They don't even acknowledge that the changes will have any material impact on amateur radio. My guess would be they're unaware of the amateur radio emcomm activity on either of those bands.

2. I don't see much urgency on the ARRL's part to prevent this from happening.

It didn't even make the latest ARRL newsletter as an issue. The one article on the web site certainly doesn't reflect any sense that this is a big deal. What comments from the League I've seen are focused on the 3 GHZ band because we're being completely shut off on that band and it has potential impact on amateur satellite work. My personal opinion is that, even though we're secondary on the 5 GHZ band, that change will have as large or even larger detrimental impact on our ability to support emergency communications than being shut out of 3 GHZ (and that impact is large). The noise level increase on what are now, essentially, amateur radio only frequencies (because the primary users are inactive), will make it very, very difficult to reliably function.

If we're to have any influence on these decisions, it will take a rapid, concerted effort on all our part. Even with making it a priority, ARRL opposition to an action that has significant congressional support/mandate isn't going to be enough. For example, we need to enlist comments supportive of our position from every Emergency Management Department Director in the country (or at least those that understand what AREDN and HamWan bring them) if we're to have any hope of mitigating the impact of these issues. At a minimum I would like to see the League coordinate that effort.

3. The ability to effectively use these bands is crucial for amateur radio to remain a relevant asset in emergency communication.

Today emergency management lives in a multi-megabit world, and 1200/9600 baud just doesn't cut it for them anymore. If we're no longer an effective emcomm asset, we lose the primary reason, in the minds of regulators at least, for our very existence. That brings great vulnerability to every other frequency we use.

Unless they don't have anything better, Emergency Management Directors have little interest in a resource that runs at 1200/9600 baud and is completely unusable for passing anything other than plain text files. What they have great interest in is an amateur radio service that can, when everything else is down, provide them with remote cameras that can give them immediate situation assessment, the ability to video chat with field personnel, conference calls/video chats across field teams, direct keyboard chat, direct filing of ICS forms to a common repository where they can be accessed in seconds by the (non-amateur radio operator) people that need to act on them, etc. And do all of that sitting at their desk/in their tent wherever that might be. Cities such as Irvine, California, have seen enough value in that capability that they've funded and supported a full build out of AREDN that covers the entire city. We have growing support in Spokane County for a similar project. Both the county radio shop and county IT are fully supporting our AREDN pilot with the expectation of a full build out over the next two years as a county owned asset.

4. Tangentially related to the above, but still critical: High speed data networks operating on amateur radio frequencies are attracting new, younger people into amateur radio.

It's the entry point that then shows them all the other facets of the service that can intrigue them. In the space of less than six months, we've had three new members (all under 40) join our ARES-ACS group specifically because of our AREDN project. Lowering the average age in the room is as critical to the survival of amateur radio as filling a valuable emcomm role, and 1200/9600 baud data isn't going to be much help to do either.

Those are my concerns. I've talked with our Spokane County Emergency Coordinator, Asa Jay Laughton, and he shares those concerns. We'll be working with our local Department of Emergency Management to submit comments supportive of our position. I'm asking the League to give these NPRMs the urgency and priority they deserve and quickly organize the amateur radio and emergency management community across the country to provide a timely, effective response as well. DHS and FEMA should both have an interest in the impact of these NPRMs on a growing amateur radio capability that provides a unique service to them and local agencies.

I so appreciate that you're our board representative. I doubt I've raised anything here that you're not already aware of or, perhaps, even thinking, but wanted to give you any ammunition I can to move the issue forward.

Thanks for representing us well..

73,

Del

" Many care, many are moved to tears, many feel deeply, but few answer the call ." -- Bill Fortney

"If not us, who? If not now, when?" -- Ronald Reagan adapted from Rabbi Hillel

Del Morissette WA7AQH 510-517-4599 WA7AQH@gmail.com

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