[arrl-odv:31374] Properly informing members and the public about our shared allocations
A friend forwarded me an email he sent to his division director and didn’t get a response. I didn’t want to respond to him as I felt his director should have the opportunity to respond. It concerns this article: http://www.arrl.org/news/view/international-broadcast-station-interference-o... His concern is that we were (incorrectly in his opinion) telling members and the public that we were being interfered with by international broadcast stations which doesn’t take into account that we share the frequency with international broadcasters and they are not as frequency agile as we are. So the understanding is that while shortwave interference from international broadcasters is annoying, there is nothing we can do about it other than QSY. Those of us who have been around awhile and who actively operate on 40 phone know that it was a lot worse before I think 2008 or so Before 7100-7200 phone was opened up in other ITU regions. So I’m wondering what we can do to accurately convey the status of 40 meters instead of just accusing international broadcasters of interfering with an emergency net. Frankly most of the broadcasters don’t know that we use those frequencies for emergencies and forget about getting nations like Iran, North Korea or China to QSY. And it is easier for us to QSY anyway as we have clear space below 7200 and can move around the broadcast QRM. This also brings into the question of our public image when it comes to shared frequency allocations. When we complain publicly that the primary users are interfering with us, will the FCC later use this as evidence to simply remove our secondary or shared status outright? TL;DR - we need to be careful about the message. 73 Ria N2RJ
International footnote 5.142 adopted at WRC-2012 governs. “5.142 The use of the band 7200-7300 kHz in Region 2 by the amateur service shall not impose constraints on the broadcasting service intended for use within Region 1 and Region 3. (WRC-12)” 73, Dave K3ZJ David R. Siddall Managing Partner DS Law, PLLC 1629 K St. NW, Ste 300 Washington, DC 20006 direct: +1 202 559 4690 Unauthorized Disclosure Prohibited. This e-mail is intended solely for the intended recipient(s) and may contain information that is proprietary, confidential or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, it is prohibited to disclose, copy, distribute, or use the contents of this email and its attachments. If you received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all electronic and physical copies of the e-mail message and its attachments. Unintended transmission shall not constitute waiver of attorney-client or any other privilege. Thank you. From: arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org> on behalf of "rjairam@gmail.com" <rjairam@gmail.com> Date: Monday, November 23, 2020 at 4:15 PM To: ODV <arrl-odv@arrl.org> Subject: [arrl-odv:31374] Properly informing members and the public about our shared allocations A friend forwarded me an email he sent to his division director and didn’t get a response. I didn’t want to respond to him as I felt his director should have the opportunity to respond. It concerns this article: http://www.arrl.org/news/view/international-broadcast-station-interference-o... His concern is that we were (incorrectly in his opinion) telling members and the public that we were being interfered with by international broadcast stations which doesn’t take into account that we share the frequency with international broadcasters and they are not as frequency agile as we are. So the understanding is that while shortwave interference from international broadcasters is annoying, there is nothing we can do about it other than QSY. Those of us who have been around awhile and who actively operate on 40 phone know that it was a lot worse before I think 2008 or so Before 7100-7200 phone was opened up in other ITU regions. So I’m wondering what we can do to accurately convey the status of 40 meters instead of just accusing international broadcasters of interfering with an emergency net. Frankly most of the broadcasters don’t know that we use those frequencies for emergencies and forget about getting nations like Iran, North Korea or China to QSY. And it is easier for us to QSY anyway as we have clear space below 7200 and can move around the broadcast QRM. This also brings into the question of our public image when it comes to shared frequency allocations. When we complain publicly that the primary users are interfering with us, will the FCC later use this as evidence to simply remove our secondary or shared status outright? TL;DR - we need to be careful about the message. 73 Ria N2RJ
This was my response to Ria about this article. I don’t view this as some policy issue on communicating secondary privileges and what happens when a primary user interferes with us. To me, this is actually a silly article. They could have been interfered with by the Midwest Lasagna Eaters Net who regularly meet there every night at 0300Z who would have run them off the frequency. It is also silly to think that we can educate every single ham on every single matter of every single aspect of the hobby. This guy just didn’t know how to deal with QRM of his net and rather than find a solution, he shut it down. Which is also silly. I’d agree on pulling the news piece, but not because this is some broad spectrum educational issue. It’s the story of a guy who cannot effectively handle the challenges of running a net on 40m and threw in the towel. Nothing interesting in that… If people agree, we’ll pull the piece. From: arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org> On Behalf Of rjairam@gmail.com Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 4:15 PM To: arrl-odv <arrl-odv@arrl.org> Subject: [arrl-odv:31374] Properly informing members and the public about our shared allocations A friend forwarded me an email he sent to his division director and didn’t get a response. I didn’t want to respond to him as I felt his director should have the opportunity to respond. It concerns this article: http://www.arrl.org/news/view/international-broadcast-station-interference-o... His concern is that we were (incorrectly in his opinion) telling members and the public that we were being interfered with by international broadcast stations which doesn’t take into account that we share the frequency with international broadcasters and they are not as frequency agile as we are. So the understanding is that while shortwave interference from international broadcasters is annoying, there is nothing we can do about it other than QSY. Those of us who have been around awhile and who actively operate on 40 phone know that it was a lot worse before I think 2008 or so Before 7100-7200 phone was opened up in other ITU regions. So I’m wondering what we can do to accurately convey the status of 40 meters instead of just accusing international broadcasters of interfering with an emergency net. Frankly most of the broadcasters don’t know that we use those frequencies for emergencies and forget about getting nations like Iran, North Korea or China to QSY. And it is easier for us to QSY anyway as we have clear space below 7200 and can move around the broadcast QRM. This also brings into the question of our public image when it comes to shared frequency allocations. When we complain publicly that the primary users are interfering with us, will the FCC later use this as evidence to simply remove our secondary or shared status outright? TL;DR - we need to be careful about the message. 73 Ria N2RJ
Well put. Leave the article.Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message --------From: "Minster, David NA2AA (CEO)" <dminster@arrl.org> Date: 11/23/20 3:47 PM (GMT-06:00) To: arrl-odv <arrl-odv@arrl.org> Subject: [arrl-odv:31376] Re: Properly informing members and the public about our shared allocations This was my response to Ria about this article. I don’t view this as some policy issue on communicating secondary privileges and what happens when a primary user interferes with us. To me, this is actually a silly article. They could have been interfered with by the Midwest Lasagna Eaters Net who regularly meet there every night at 0300Z who would have run them off the frequency. It is also silly to think that we can educate every single ham on every single matter of every single aspect of the hobby. This guy just didn’t know how to deal with QRM of his net and rather than find a solution, he shut it down. Which is also silly. I’d agree on pulling the news piece, but not because this is some broad spectrum educational issue. It’s the story of a guy who cannot effectively handle the challenges of running a net on 40m and threw in the towel. Nothing interesting in that… If people agree, we’ll pull the piece. From: arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org> On Behalf Of rjairam@gmail.com Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 4:15 PM To: arrl-odv <arrl-odv@arrl.org> Subject: [arrl-odv:31374] Properly informing members and the public about our shared allocations A friend forwarded me an email he sent to his division director and didn’t get a response. I didn’t want to respond to him as I felt his director should have the opportunity to respond. It concerns this article: http://www.arrl.org/news/view/international-broadcast-station-interference-o... His concern is that we were (incorrectly in his opinion) telling members and the public that we were being interfered with by international broadcast stations which doesn’t take into account that we share the frequency with international broadcasters and they are not as frequency agile as we are. So the understanding is that while shortwave interference from international broadcasters is annoying, there is nothing we can do about it other than QSY. Those of us who have been around awhile and who actively operate on 40 phone know that it was a lot worse before I think 2008 or so Before 7100-7200 phone was opened up in other ITU regions. So I’m wondering what we can do to accurately convey the status of 40 meters instead of just accusing international broadcasters of interfering with an emergency net. Frankly most of the broadcasters don’t know that we use those frequencies for emergencies and forget about getting nations like Iran, North Korea or China to QSY. And it is easier for us to QSY anyway as we have clear space below 7200 and can move around the broadcast QRM. This also brings into the question of our public image when it comes to shared frequency allocations. When we complain publicly that the primary users are interfering with us, will the FCC later use this as evidence to simply remove our secondary or shared status outright? TL;DR - we need to be careful about the message. 73 Ria N2RJ
Agreed. Just silly. Did the person in question expect the AM broadcasters to respond to a ham's call to keep the frequencies clear? Were there no contingency frequencies? Pull it or not, articles like this should be avoided in future. It’s better to have a success-story article about how someone dealt with QRM and got the job done.
On Nov 23, 2020, at 1:47 PM, Minster, David NA2AA (CEO) <dminster@arrl.org> wrote:
This was my response to Ria about this article. I don’t view this as some policy issue on communicating secondary privileges and what happens when a primary user interferes with us.
To me, this is actually a silly article.
They could have been interfered with by the Midwest Lasagna Eaters Net who regularly meet there every night at 0300Z who would have run them off the frequency.
It is also silly to think that we can educate every single ham on every single matter of every single aspect of the hobby.
This guy just didn’t know how to deal with QRM of his net and rather than find a solution, he shut it down. Which is also silly.
I’d agree on pulling the news piece, but not because this is some broad spectrum educational issue. It’s the story of a guy who cannot effectively handle the challenges of running a net on 40m and threw in the towel.
Nothing interesting in that…
If people agree, we’ll pull the piece.
From: arrl-odv <arrl-odv-bounces@reflector.arrl.org> On Behalf Of rjairam@gmail.com Sent: Monday, November 23, 2020 4:15 PM To: arrl-odv <arrl-odv@arrl.org> Subject: [arrl-odv:31374] Properly informing members and the public about our shared allocations
A friend forwarded me an email he sent to his division director and didn’t get a response. I didn’t want to respond to him as I felt his director should have the opportunity to respond.
It concerns this article: http://www.arrl.org/news/view/international-broadcast-station-interference-o... <http://www.arrl.org/news/view/international-broadcast-station-interference-overwhelms-hurricane-watch-net>
His concern is that we were (incorrectly in his opinion) telling members and the public that we were being interfered with by international broadcast stations which doesn’t take into account that we share the frequency with international broadcasters and they are not as frequency agile as we are. So the understanding is that while shortwave interference from international broadcasters is annoying, there is nothing we can do about it other than QSY.
Those of us who have been around awhile and who actively operate on 40 phone know that it was a lot worse before I think 2008 or so Before 7100-7200 phone was opened up in other ITU regions.
So I’m wondering what we can do to accurately convey the status of 40 meters instead of just accusing international broadcasters of interfering with an emergency net. Frankly most of the broadcasters don’t know that we use those frequencies for emergencies and forget about getting nations like Iran, North Korea or China to QSY. And it is easier for us to QSY anyway as we have clear space below 7200 and can move around the broadcast QRM.
This also brings into the question of our public image when it comes to shared frequency allocations. When we complain publicly that the primary users are interfering with us, will the FCC later use this as evidence to simply remove our secondary or shared status outright?
TL;DR - we need to be careful about the message.
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